As the constitutional making processes enters a next phase. all Zambians at home and abroad have been urged to join hands in fighting for the inclusion of the dual citizenship clause in the constitution. Economist, Mr Trevor Simumba said dual citizenship was very important in enhancing the growth of the Zambian economy.
Mr Simumba said statistics have proved that most countries with dual citizenship have economies that were doing very well.
” Zambians need to pass the dual citizenship law so that all our people in the diaspora can stay connected. Dual citizenship will help build a great partnership between those Zambians at home and abroad”, Mr Simumba added.
Mr Simumba who is also an International business consultant was speaking on Zambia Blog Talk Radio over the weekend. Government can actually collect a small contribution from Zambians in diaspora to maintain public institutions such as , hospitals, schools and road maintenance, Mr Simumba added.
While in power, former President Rupiah Banda gave the clearest indication that his government was working on passing the dual citizenship clause. Mr Banda, believed dual citizenship will enable Zambians with foreign citizenship to invest and develop the country’s economy”.
A group of Zambians in the Diaspora launched an online signature petition drive to urge the government of President Michael Sata and the Technical Committee of Experts drafting the new constitution to embrace the idea of Dual Citizenship.The group believes dual citizenship is a win-win situation for all Zambians.
President Sata still argues that there will be more Zambians and jobs will be taken away by other nationalities living in the country if the law is changed.
The president during his visit to London said that people should not be “selfish” but should choose whether to be Zambians or hold other forms of citizenship.
And Elias Chipimo junior said that President Michael Sata’s opposing view on dual citizenship causes public worry because of the history attached to constitution-making processes in the country.
Commenting in June this year on President Sata’s opposition to the clause in the draft constitution, Chipimo who is National Restoration Party president said the government should not have the final say on the process.
He said President Sata’s view on the matter would be fine if the constitution-making process had not been hijacked in the past by successive governments.
And Chipimo fears were echoed by MMD President Nevers Mumba. Featuring on Muvi TV’s The Assignment on sunday evening,Dr mumba said MMD was aware that the PF was soliciting for numbers in parliament in order to pass laws that were favourable to their agenda.
Dr Mumba said the move give MMD MPs jobs in the PF Government is aimed at the PF creating numbers in anticipation for the passing of the new constitution.
He said the PF was against the running mate clause and the 50 plus 1 percent for a president and was now preparing to defeat the clauses in parliament where they were handicapped with regards to marshalling two-thirds support.
[Story filed in by Pezzy Kudakwashe]
Aha!
Bwana Simumba, Cannot agree with you more. Zambia needs dual citizenship adopted and enacted into law. We will not allow myopic minds with their tunnel visions to inhibit our country on socioeconomic benefits dual citizenship would deliver to the country. We have cases to learn from model states that have unflinchingly embraced dual citizenship.
Bravo!
Bwana Simumba, Cannot agree with you more. Zambia needs dual citizenship adopted and enacted into law. We will not allow those with their tunnel visions to inhibit our country on socioeconomic benefits dual citizenship would deliver to the country. We have cases to learn from model states that have unflinchingly embraced dual citizenship.
Bravo!
The people that are not decided which country they want to belong to should come back home and fight for dual citizenship. We have not seen any development so far from Zambians living abroad. Point at one project in the country you have done and why we should trust you if so far you have done nothing. We have more pressing issues as Zambians living in Zambia than start fighting for wanna be Americans and probably future gay advocates.
you are right man. Especially, Zambians in the U.S, most of them are nurses (or aids) working in nursing homes, cleaning old people’s poop. Very few intellectuals as most intellectuals go home and find jobs in banks and other institutions in Zambia. Sata is right, we dont need dual-citizenship to satisfy poop-cleaners
There is nothing wrong with being a nurse or a cleaner! Remember some parents worked as maids and cleaners to pay school fees for guys like us.
The point is do not hate what you do not understand fully and unfortunately this understanding always changes when you live outside of your country. Visiting for a couple of days may never make one understand how life really is and what contacts you can generate among a people.
I am very convinced this will help the lot in Zambia and bring about some measure of prosperity but it may not be the solution alone to Zambia’s problems. Part of the solution is changing the way some people perceive issues and the contributions we make on this debate does show that there is a great lot of perception we need to change.
Hardworking men or women putting in their all to better the lives of their families – how dare you disparage them for that. Work is work whether in the nursing home or ivory tower: important thing is educate your children & give them better opportunity.
Dual Citizenship is NOT ABOUT being undecided which country one belongs to, IT IS ABOUT OUR UNALIENABLE RIGHT TO OUR MOTHER COUNTRY plus any other country or jurisdiction one finds themselves living in for one reason or another!!!! NO ONE WILL EVER TAKE AWAY OUR UNALIENABLE BIRTHRIGHTS simply becoz they are some political sycophant of one shade or the other!! IT IS A NON-BRAINER, EVEN TO BE DEBATING THIS ISSUE!!! The World keeps on evolving, the World has become much smaller with modern travel, the TREND NOW FOR MOST PEOPLE WITH THE KNACK FOR TRAVELING IS TO BECOME A GLOBAL CITIZEN, which is what I identify with – as long as I cause no-one any problems & am found worth to be offered an additional citizenship, I have no problem adopting it!!!
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Sata does not support duo-citizenship and it will never be, at least under his watch. So diasporans you are doomed as always. Sata dont need you. get it in your thick heads
WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, WE WILL STILL REMAIN DUAL NATIONALS WITH DUAL PASSPORTS – This whole debate is SIMPLY ACADEMIC & PROCEDURAL, so ALL THOSE YAPPING AGAINST IT, are simply wasting their time!!!! WE DON’T NEED VISAS TO COME HOME – you will probably ask, “which home??” My answer is, “WHERE EVER I LAY MY HAT TO REST, IS MY HOME!!!”
@kci, you are right man. Especially, Zambians in the U.S, most of them are nurses (or aids) working in nursing homes, cleaning old people’s poop. Very few intellectuals as most intellectuals go back home and find jobs in banks and other institutions in Zambia. Sata is right, we dont need dual-citizenship to satisfy poop-cleaners
You dull guy
Bemba Man, you are very right. Why should one human belong to two countries or more like a fish in the ocean. Home is where your heart was born, and that’s your real citizenship. Unless Zedians outside Zed wanna be like Nigerian who are much more safer outside their country. Get a life people and stop cleaning humans in nursing homes.
Iwe boyi bafwile balikutana visa tefyo te?
Dull Bemba man indeed… Your Tribes` men reputation preceds you…
SMDH what’s scary about you is that you hold such views yet you are based abroad, if you are failing to acclimatised in the States due to language limitations, don’t bring your frustrations online!
Dual citizemship is not beneficial to the majority of Zambians as we risk loosing independence to the worlds most populus nations that shall take advantage of our situation, exploit and take over both the economical and political dominance of the country. Think before advancing personal agendas. Zambia is the only country that we have and as responsible citizens, we shall not put her on sale for free.
Dual Citizenship will only be for Zambians living abroad and want to get citizenship of their country of residence, if it is permitted in that country and NOT for foreigners coming to or living in Zambia. No populous nations will take advantage of you if you set the record straight. Dual Citizenship is NOT about opening the doors for everybody to come in!
HOW CAN ZAMBIA BE ON “SALE”, if it is “Free” as you put it??
IT IS NOW THAT PEOPLE COME TO BRIBE TO OBTAIN CITIZENSHIP!!!
Abroad, IT IS NOT ABOUT BRIBING ANYONE, BUT ABOUT BEING A GOOD CITIZEN!!!!
Think before you write!!!!!
Bemba youa re so narrow in your thinking and you would rather keep your narrowmindedness to your self. even if you are sata’s cadre or puppet your reasoning is so shallow. shame we have such thinking in this erra. the world is moving on, we are in a global setting and you wat to restrict yourself to this small nation of poverty and close it from genuine Zambians out there who want to gewt involved in uplifting the standards of their families and the poor generally by investing back home if they are just given some rights here and not be treated like foerigners because they picked up some citizenship out their due to their usefuness out there . their nations of residence saw it fit to have them as citizens but you do not want them to be citizens of this nation.
@shimaini, genuine Zambians dont pick up citizenship of another countries. They get educated in these countries and go back home to implement what they learnt for the betterment of our country. Only poop cleaners want dual-citizenship as they cannt find nursing homes back home from which to clean old peoples’ -a.sses from
I think and know that the duel nationality is the way to go in the 21 st century it enhances new ideas new culture of doing things why you people per zed are scared you .are already loosing your jobs anywhere we need new thinking and ideas now to revamp your lazy thinking in doing work i am endorsing my vote on duel nationality for a better zambia
We dont need dual citizenship. It’s either you are Zambian or you are not. Period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, WE WILL STILL REMAIN DUAL NATIONALS WITH DUAL PASSPORTS – This whole debate is SIMPLY ACADEMIC & PROCEDURAL, so ALL THOSE YAPPING AGAINST IT, are simply wasting their time!!!! WE DON’T NEED VISAS TO COME HOME – you will probably ask, “which home??” My answer is, “WHERE EVER I LAY MY HAT TO REST, IS MY HOME!!!”
Only a few posters and yet so much hate! Zambia is for us all and so is the constitution. If you don’t understand dual citizenship, please focus on another part of the constitution.
Sata is a citizen like all of us and he is entitled to his own opinion, just like we all are.
I support the dual citizenship clause and I wish the url for the website was given in the article.
Look around at wealthy and smart countries, they all allow dual citizenship. It is the only way forward. We will be going backwards if dual citizenship is not embraced.
Dual Citizenship is non negotiable.We are plenty in the diaspora who can add much needed value to Zambia.
#4 & #6 If you are the intellectuals that went back to Zambia and are working in Banks & all, then we are in trouble and you can’t be simplistic in saying that point at one thing that people in Diaspora have built. That is being so cheap. try another line.
If your PF President does not qualify to attend a primary school reunion, that is not our fault and don’t take it on people in Diaspora and punish them by killing Dual citizenship.
There are more Zambians today going abroad than at anytime in the history of our country and they are all not going out there to clean poo.
We shall have dual citizenship either now or after 2016. Hate can never triumph for ever. Get used to that idea
Dual Citizenship is negotiable.We are plenty in the diaspora who cannot add much needed value to Zambia.
@MMD Chief Bootlicker says: dont waste your breath on this dual-citizenship issue, its going nowhere, just accept it soon and serve your heart-aches. We now have enough in Parliament (thanks to your un-principled MPs) to pass anything we want. You can yap all you want, but if sata says no its no. live with it.
VIVA one Zambia One Nationality
WE WILL LEAVE THE SENSELESS YAPPING TO YOU!!! We are BUSY COLLECTING PASSPORTS, like people collect stamps!!!
abash dual citizenship abash..
WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING FOR TRIPLE, IF NOT MULTI!!!!!!!!
No dual citizenship for Poop cleaners. Never!!!
Let us look at both sides of the coin and then try to balace the pendulum.Socioeconomic benefits,crime management and prevention,protection of investment from the diaspora,incentives and the like.No need to shoe hatred to to each other.After all we are all Zambians.
Sometimes I wonder what goes on in a kolwestan brain.
No one has come up with a list stating the bad side of Dual Citizenship(DC). I have read all the good things about DC but what are the bad things about it so we debate rationally. From all the positive things said about DC it clearly is not in favour of the majority poor Zambians who are even struggling to own land in their own country or passport. For now i support the President position. Another true side of the coin is most intellectual Zambians are not concerned about national building but themselves unless someone proves otherwise.
Dual Citizenship – to whose benefit? Not to the majority of Zambians who cant afford three meals a day.**==
Which economic benefits will Zambians in the diaspora bring when the majority are cleaners nurses and History teachers.You can not compares Jews and there commitment to greater Israel when they own the means of production in Europe and North America and they control also the military industrial complex of USA.Dual Nationality will only benefit Nigerians and Congolese.But when drug traffickers and illegal immigrates will continue been arrested, Zambian passports will be on displace and then VISA requirements will be the order of the day for the innocent Zambians.Think hard before you regret beloved Zedians.
Your comment clearly shows that you do not understand what dual citizenship is. I suggest you educate yourself on the issue before making any comments.
How caom Ghana is reaping the benifits of dual citizenship
Can Munshya wa Munshya be asked by LT to write something as to what is dual citizenship exactly.
1, Is the fear due to the fact that people from other countries can become Zambians without denouncing their citizenship? This they always do dubious.
2, Does it mean Zambians can apply for citizenship in other countries and yet remain citizens of Zambia? This they always do even Lucky Mulusa was a South African citizen and now MP for MMD.
Munshya come!
According to the draft constitution, #2 is correct and #1 is neither mentioned nor implied.
Please get your facts right. Lucky Mulusa was not a citizen he was a permanent resident
Japan does not support dual citizenship, you are either Japanese or another national. For economies to gain, it simply requires hard work, sincerity, commitment and overal national patriotism. If so called diasporians are enjoying the wealth of US or UK, why bother about you being attached to Zambia. No one denies you the chance of coming to invest in Zambia but some of you chaps its mere greedness. Mwana nomba nama Health reforms yakwa Obama with the much talked about RFID, muli muchibe na 666.
GREEDINESS ABOUT WHAT???? Are any of the Diasporans DENYING YOU ANYTHING BY HAVING DUAL NATIONALITY???? Bring the facts against the proposal, NOT JUST YAPPING without any sensible arguments!!!!
Dual Citizenship is NOT ABOUT being undecided which country one belongs to, IT IS ABOUT OUR UNALIENABLE RIGHT TO OUR MOTHER COUNTRY plus any other country or jurisdiction one finds themselves living in for one reason or another!!!! NO ONE WILL EVER TAKE AWAY OUR UNALIENABLE BIRTHRIGHTS simply becoz they are some political sycophant of one shade or the other!! IT IS A NON-BRAINER, EVEN TO BE DEBATING THIS ISSUE!!! The World keeps on evolving, the World has become much smaller with modern travel, the TREND NOW FOR MOST PEOPLE WITH THE KNACK FOR TRAVELING IS TO BECOME A GLOBAL CITIZEN, which is what I identify with – as long as I cause no-one any problems & am found worth to be offered an additional citizenship, I have no problem adopting it!!!
there are few people in diaspora than the suffering masses out there in chipulukusu and ku kawama, chamboli etc. these are the real zambians not most of the so called diasporans who cannot even invest in zambia. what are afraid of? foolish creatures. go back and develop zambia or else stay where you have been as you can vividly see that zambia is far much bigger than you and you cannot cripple it. swallow the pride and dont die like a chimbwi, ukutemwa ukulya kubili
You are TYPICAL CNP!! You see, Diasporans have always had a plan – that is why you are so bitter!! NEVERTHELESS, whether the constitution stays as it is, WE ARE STILL ZAMBIANS, & ALWAYS DO WALK-IN & OUT OF ZED WITHOUT BREAKING ANY SWEAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am a dual citizen until I arrive at the KK international. You lot who think we all clean poo; good for you. Its your naive perception that we cannot change. Truth be said; who needs a visa for what ever country you are sent to work? So with or without dual citizen you can never take away by birth right of being Zambian. With or without a passport I can come to Zambia and enter Zambia; do as I wish. Zambia is not PF and PF is not Zambia. We voted in numbers, we get insulted for being Kolwestans; and yet you PF think we will be afraid? Never!!
Poo cleaner, you will never have dual citizenship.
There is no need of dua citizenship.Zambia will be a failed state coz foreigner will come and steal our resources in the name of dual citizenship.when they steal, they will run away in another country &law will protect them to be extradicated.Such move can only work in countries with high security levels e.g USA,RU,China,Britain,Canada etc.But even in USA,Russia dua citizenship is not allowed.They jst allow it in cetain cases.In Ru it’s not there.Why should a person have 2 countries?That is being unpatrotic and lack of innovation.U jst run where u wanna benefit.When things become tough u run 2 another country.ooops what a bad Idea.I’ve been to different countries & i think dual citizenship will make zambia a failed state coz of crimes we gonna experience coz thieves will root Zambia.
Bemba Man, you are very right. Why should one human belong to two countries or more like a fish in the ocean. Home is where your heart was born, and that’s your real citizenship. Unless Zedians outside Zed wanna be like Nigerian who are much more safer outside their country. Get a life people and stop cleaning humans in nursing homes.
Just sign yourself into a nursing home & have YOUR BUTT CLEANED!!!
kawendo is a professional butt-cleaner. he can clean a white-mans butt cleaner than he can clean his….lol, and people like kamwendo are the ones wanting dual-citizenship funny
So called “Bemba-man”, guess you aren’t even “Bemba”.
The reason you need to check yourself in, is becoz your brains , for some reason RELOCATED TO YOUR BUTT, hence the cleaning you SO DESPERATELY NEED!!!
Kamwendo, you purely sounds like a lost ship and worse of than a Titanic. You even know that this topic has no sense in the Zedian politics whether it is Sata or someone else. So just keep on cleaning the stupid white man’s butt and call it a day.
Mutale, when you learn a bit more English, I MIGHT JUST GET THE POINT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE!!!
@23, if such a thing was a right right here in Nippon, i would have become a Japanese by this time but am still called and ALIEN yet these guys are so much developed without any need for dual citizenship. some chaps says dual citizenship brings wealth, this i recant and trash. what brings wealth is the hard work like the japanese do. you work for 22hrs and see good food on the table. not you go for work at 8, 11 you are at manda hill 14hr at acardes and 16hrs you quickly pack your ka bag ati nainuka ine and you think you will reach quarter of the jap economic height? just work and work and please busakala tebo. here in jap we board buses and pay at the exit in front of the driver and no need for a conductor, see how disciplined these people are? such discipline brings wealth not dual shit
SO what’s your argument??? IT IS NOT THE REST OF THE DIASPORANS FAULT THAT THE JAPANESE WILL NOT OFFER YOU CITIZENSHIP!!! Have you asked them why they don’t offer people like you citizenship???? MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY IF YOU FEEL LEFT OUT!!!!!!
Your arguments are based on “emotions” and anecdotes; no real value in what you are saying. If Japan cannot give you citizenship tough; the same cannot be replicated in other countries. Laziness is in Zambia; and people wanting dual citizenship are not in Zambia though they are Zambians. Development is driven by many factors of which foreign contribution of wealth is but one key areas. Check real data from the World bank about the contribution of remittances to nations as a percentage of GDP. Then you will realise how shallow your arguments are. Good luck with our Zambia though.
There is no need of dual citizenship.Zambia will be a failed state coz foreigner will come and steal our resources in the name of dual citizenship.when they steal, they will run away in another country & law will protect them to be extradited.Such move can only work in countries with high security levels e.g USA,RU,China,Britain,Canada etc.But even in USA,Russia dual citizenship is not allowed.They jst allow it in certain cases.In Ru it’s not there.Why should a person have 2 countries?That is being unpatriotic and lack of innovation.U jst run where u wanna benefit.When things become tough u run 2 another country.oops what a bad Idea.I’ve been to different countries & i think dual citizenship will make Zambia a failed state coz of crimes we gonna experience coz thieves will root Zambia.
There is no need of dual citizenship.Zambia will be a failed state coz foreigners will come and steal our resources in the name of dual citizenship.when they steal, they will run away in another country & law will protect them to be extradited.Such move can only work in countries with high security levels e.g USA,RU,China,Britain,Canada etc.But even in USA,Russia dual citizenship is not allowed.They jst allow it in certain cases.In Ru it’s not there.Why should a person have 2 countries?That is being unpatriotic and lack of innovation.U jst run where u wanna benefit.When things become tough u run 2 another country.oops what a bd Idea.I’ve been to different countries & i think dual citizenship will make Zambia a failed state coz of crimes we gonna experience coz thieves will root Zambia.
To me dual citizenship is like living on the copperbelt with your immediate family and having relatives you support and visit often in the village. Why should someone think it makes sense to stop you from doing that if that is your wish??????
I am of the opinion that we should push for the inclusion of the said clause for a number of reasons. One of which comes to mind is that under WTO, as developing countries we a pushing for liberalisation mode 4 (temporal migration of labour) in which we have comparative advantage compared to developed countries whose populations are ageing and expensive to hire. Such a close would make people feel free to work aboard and enjoy social services in those countries. What we should look at is how to benefit from our citizens working abroad. One way would be to ensure that we benefit from taxes paid by such citizens. We enter into double taxation agreements with countries that have companies present in Zambia and do not benefit from such agreements because we do not have companies in those .
This issue of dual citizenship is immaterial if Zambians in the diaspora are serious about promotion and contributing to development of the country. Zambians want to continue to live in the diaspora for reasons such as education, better health care and access to retirement programs etc, but at the same time retain connections to the motherland.
If its for the purposes of contributing to Zambia’s development, advocating for better policies by govt to encourage Zambians to invest home are needed and dual citizenship is not a pre-requisite for this. Nothing under the current law stops Zambians from investing back home.The real reason is Zambians want to go and come back when ever they so wish and this has nothing to do with investment
Are You SURE of YOUR STATEMENT??? It is nothing about traveling!!!
IT IS ALL ABOUT AN OUTDATED CONSTITUTION THAT SEEKS TO EVISCERATE OUR UNALIENABLE RIGHT TO OUR MOTHERLAND that WE GET SO HEATED ABOUT UNDER OUR COLLARS!!! We are not like you who is unbothered!!
Government was in the policy of developing a diaspora policy which could have looked at how to encourage Zambians abroad to invest back home. the key stumbling block was the issue of dual citizenship. I believe something can be crafted that can benefit of both the individuals and country. What we need to get away from is this notion that citizens abroad are enemies of the country. the country is not creating enough opportunities such that if all those abroad came back all there would increase is unemployment. By taking advantage of opportunities in the global economy those citizens have given an opportunity to those of us who we not employed to get a job
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countries. As a way of benefiting from such agreement we consider have similar provisions which apply to foreign companies in Zambia but in our case it would apply to our citizens. For example host countries could charge them lower taxes on the understanding that they will be required to contribute to our treasury. Collect could be in the lines of withholding tax where the host governments could collect on our behalf and remit to Zambia. Obviously this would require threshold numbers to justify the cost of collection and remittance. (Threat this as a wild idea)
If someone is thinking of taxing me, THEY MIGHT AS WELL RE-INSTITUTE SOME OF MY RIGHTS, SUCH AS VOTING – this via our Embassies & high commissions!!! I SHOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO COME BACK & CONTEST CERTAIN POLITICAL POSITIONS IF I SO WISHED, WITHOUT ANY unnecessary HINDRANCE!
The opposition to Dual Citizenship is spiritual, thank God by faith it will be enacted as it will be beneficial to Zambia, look at countries like Ghana, India to see how they are benefiting. All Dual Citizenship supporters there is a great need to educate the masses. God bless Zambia and every progressive Zambian.
It is high time for dual citizenship in Zambia act on it and dont just talk for years!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Was the link published for the online petition?
yeah, where is/was the Online petition link ?
@6 satanyo, m****** mwe
hahahaha @zambi-can, you are a real poo butt cleaner. Why should a country waste its time to provide dual-citizenship for people like you.Its a non-stater. Zambia is in no need for cleaners, we have a lot of them. VIVA SATA
ZAMBIAN GOVT FOUND ME ON MY LAND
NO one can stop ME from getting another citizenship. After all we don’t consult the Govt when we go out in the Diaspora. We are received by the new country, given citizenship and someone wants us to give up a GOD Given citizenship. Sorry, we will always be Zambians even of it will mean hiding our new passport and Entering Zambia on its own passport. The objective is to be home bound, not which passport we used when entering Zamunda. The fight is futile.
No one will ever surrender his God Given nationality. I was born in my land and Zambian Govt found me on the land and not the other way round.
Lol
I find it pointless to debate this issue, I am for progress and the world is now one global village for all to explore, therefore no politician will decide for me on this one. You may block dual citizenship for now but come 2016 a more progressive administration will be ushered in and give the people what they want. Forward with Dual Citizenship!
Dual citizenship is bigger than Sata and pF if he doesn’t implement it someone else will and will be given the credit . All these oppositions to dueal citizenship are really baseless and are just people who want to block others becausewhat they can’t get others should not . If you look today the majority of countries from zimbabwe, pakistan, liberia etc all are looking to allow it in future because they know what money it will bring. If you ask any of these naysayers as to why dual citizenship to not be allowed all you hear is emotional unstable responses borne out of some sort of scorn. Sata thinks just because his ass kissers clean bums abroad and he used to be a street cleaner then all of us are in that position. i tell you theres no bitter zambian than one that has failed abroad
There is no need of dua citizenship.Zambia will be a failed state coz foreigners will come and steal our resources in the name of dual citizenship.when they steal, they will run away in another country & law will protect them to be extradicated.Such move can only work in countries with high security levels e.g USA,RU,China,Britain,Canada etc.But even in USA,Russia dua citizenship is not allowed.They jst allow it in cetain cases.In Ru it’s not there.Why should a person have 2 countries?That is being unpatrotic and lack of innovation.U jst run where u wanna benefit.When things become tough u run 2 another country.ooops what a bad Idea.I’ve been to different countries & i think dual citizenship will make zambia a failed state coz of crimes we gonna experience coz thieves will root Zambia.
There is no need of dua citizenship.Zambia will be a failed state coz foreigners will come and steal our resources in the name of dual citizenship.when they steal, they will run away in another country & law will protect them to be extradicated.Such move can only work in countries with high security levels e.g USA,RU,China,Britain,Canada etc.But even in USA,Russia dua citizenship is not allowed.They jst allow it in cetain cases.In Ru it’s not there.Why should a person have 2 countries?That is being unpatrotic and lack of innovation.U jst run where u wanna benefit.When things become tough u run 2 another country.what a bad Idea.I’ve been to different countries & i think dual citizenship will make zambia a failed state coz of crimes we gonna experience coz thieves will root Zambia.
There is no need of dua citizenship.Zed will be a ffailed state coz foreigners will come and steal our resources in the name of dual citizenship.when they steal, they will run away in another country & law will protect them to be extradicated.Such move can only work in countries with high security levels e.g US,RU,China,Britain,Canada etc.But even in USA,Russia dua citizenship is not allowed.They jst allow it in cetain cases.In russia it’s not there.Why should a person have 2 countries?That is being unpatrotic and lack of innovation.U jst run where u wanna benefit.When things become tough u run 2 another country..I’ve been to different countries & i think dual citizenship will make zambia ungovernable state coz of crimes we gonna experience coz thieves will root Zambia.
Rubbish.
Dual citizen has to Go. It will really enable a lot of us coming back some day in future.
Its your faulty if you are not going back to Zambia in the future, or else you will die in a nursing home alone.
stop blocking my comments Lusakatimes please
There is no need for dua citizenship.Zed will be rooted by foreigners and steal our resources in the name of dual citizenship.when they steal, they will run away in another country & law will protect them to be extradicated.Such move can only work in countries with high security levels .In America it’s allowed in cetain cases.In russia it’s not there.Why should a person have 2 countries?That is being unpatrotic and lack of innovation in certan Zambians.U jst run where u wanna benefit.When things become tough u run 2 another country..I’ve been to different countries & i think dual citizenship will make zambia ungovernable state coz of crimes we gonna experience coz thieves will root Zambia.
Giving up on one’s citizenship is a VERY HARD thing to do, trust me I have been there. Its not as easy as throwing a passport on the table and I dont care if you are from a war torn or impoverished county. But to a fair minded person, they should understand that circumstances do force people to make those tough decisions whether its kids or work etc. I can understand the frustration on some that they kept their citizenship and each time they travel overseas they may have to go thru the cumbersome process of visas etc, but if the shoe were on the the other side, i wld be proud that even those in far away places did not forget home. The fear mongering is simply bush, its a global world now and there is no dialing back.
Lusakatimes u’re blocking my comments which don’t support dua citizenship.U’re protecting some interests of politicians who have stolen coz they wanna run away with dual citizenship clause.I don’t support it.Please publish my comments.I’ve given reasons why Zambian can’t support such move coz of low level of security in our countries.Foreigners will steal our resources.Not only that when somebody steals he/she runs away 2 another country.And we know that nowdays extradicating somebody in other countries is not allowed.
It is ‘extraditing’ not ‘extradicating’. The English of some bloggers leaves much to be desired
Lusakatimes u’re blocking my comments which don’t support dua citizenship.U’re protecting some interests of politicians who have stolen coz they wanna run away with dual citizenship clause.I don’t support it.Please publish my comments.I’ve given reasons why Zambians can’t support such move coz of low level of security in our country.Foreigners will steal our resources.Not only that, when somebody steals he/she runs away 2 another country.And we know that nowdays extradicating somebody in other countries is not allowed.
Most of the well qualifeid zambians in diaspora have foriegne passports, incidentally well qualified in the positions filled in by expats in zambia. Now who would GRZ rather have, a Zambian who keeps all his money in Zambia or a foriegner who externalizes his money ? Its about whats best for zambia not personel enviy because we will not give up our passports
Stay with your passports, but dont force us to give you dual citizenship. You can stay as a second class citizen in the U.K while Zambians in Zambia are first class citizen. Dont lie to me that you are treated the same as a white briton.
@Bemba Man, The pay i get in the UK is more than what Sata gets, so even second class treatment is ok
some of us really dont need dual citizenship, we have 2 passports, we travel on zambian passports when need be. No problemo, But Zambia as a country can benifit from some dieasporans skills, put envy aside.
only Zambia loses without dual citizenship. With those weak immigartion laws the foriengers get what they want. Only dieasporans feel less inclined to invest back home.
Dual Citizen is a tangible & good thing.
Nevertheless, the bottom line is how someone sees him or herself. The PICTURE you see in your head is what you end up BELIEVING. And what you BELIEVE is what you BECOME.
You can have Dual Citizenship, but if you have no mindset to create wealth, investments and jobs there is no way you can contribute to Zambia’s power growth by simply having Dual Citizenship.
The city of London/UK is now being taken over by foreigners in Capital Investments & Real Estate Investments including Black Africans and some are Zambians that have become millionaires in UK- which have no desires to apply for a second British Passport but just focussed on Wealth Creation & Management.
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#4 kci it is best that you do your home-work before you insult Zambians who have tried very hard to run projects in Zambia but have failed, because of ‘locally based’ Zambians with the fear of the unknown like you.
Do not go to far to look at what Zambians have done in other countries where they were listened to. Cross the border into Lobatse (Botswana) and find out about the success of the AIDS Programme there that went from a village project into a national programme and now is an international programme taught to medical doctors and nurses studying Tropical Medicine at the universities in England. For 20 years this Zambian-born Programme has received a blank from the motherland. Anyway the Zambian Public Health Consultant has written books for you that you will DEFINITELY use one day
The way some bloggers have come out on this issue..its like the govt decided to take away their Zambian citizenship when in fact the individuals themselves elected to give it up on their own volition. The govt is not fighting anyone.
As the situation stands today nothing stands in the way of Zambians in the diaspora from investing back home and dual citizenship alone does not in any way guarantee a sudden inflow of investment by Zambians in the diaspora.
All the examples of countries cited, attractive investment policies formulated for their citizens in the diaspora have been critical than dual citizenship alone.
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In London, property in the most exclusive & expensive areas is now half owned by foreigners who are buying in numbers, week after week because of the respect investors have for the Stirling/Pound £££.
We are making a lot of noise, but not listening to (1) Inspirations, (2) Vision, (3) Ideals,
(4) Networking (5) Wealth Creation …. And so forth!!
Dual citiizenship at the pleasure of Govt and with selected countries. No dual citizenship with countries like senegal, mali, somalia Nigeria China, India , Pakistan, DRC otherwisewe would be are inviting red ants into ourr “home”. Certainly Not in the constitution but in some immigration law. Learn to be smart Zambians.
Got carried away!
Dual citizenship has more advantages than disadvantages.
Look at the Lundazi library project started and supported by a Zambian Professor based in America. He brought in close to 3,500 books with his own initiative last year in 2011.
I fail to understand the negativity and animosity of dual citizenship. There are more honest Zambians in the diaspora who would feel satisfaction at giving back through dual citizenship. They have made strong links and contacts while abroad that would help ALL the sectors of Zambia, especially the education and health sectors.
#3 kci I hope you heard of the what the old Canisians based in Botswana did for their Chikuni Mission Secondary School in the year 2000. Clue: Electrification of the entire school with help from the Zam High Comm.
This dual citizenship is being peddled the same way Liberalisation & Privatisation was being peddled as the panacea for Zambia economic woes only to hurt the most vulnerable/poor due to job losses. Dual citizenship is a double edged sword and can hurt the same way liberalisation privatisation did. Hence it must be viewed with the same lens with more critical minds after the bitter lessons of Liberalisation and Privatisation.
My father originally came from Zambia, moved to Botswana as a young man, married a Tswana and I was born and bred in Botswana. I have many relatives in Zambia and regard it as my other country. Although I now live and work in the UK nobody can deny me the citizenship of any of the 3 countries. There are many Zambians in a similar position like myself including former and the current president with roots in Congo, Malawi, Zimbabwe, Tanzania, Angola, and so on. If you want to remain stuck in Zambia, it’s your choice.
@ Distant Drums In Botswana you are not a pure Tswana (and their is a name for people like you) in the U.K off-course you are a niggar (we all know that). You can have three passports, buts its only in ZZambia where you will be respected as a true citizen, as in these other countries you are a second class citizen
Bemba Man, Are you revealing what they call you in America, nigger? You know nothing about Botswana and the best you can do is just keep quiet. For your information I am well respected in Botswana, Zambia and the UK. If it’s about name-calling is it not in Zambia that you call each other Kolwestan (we all know that). You are still in the dark ages to talk about second class citizens in the 21st century, the world has moved on.
hooo @Distance Drums so the Pakistan People are not called names anymore and there is no racism in soccer, people are not called mukwelekwele in public (Dont pretend)
I will only support dual-citizenship to people who can show potential to invest back in Zambia, not these poo-cleaners who have arranged (payed) marriages with African Americans from the ghettos, just to have a permit to work in a nursing home. Then after the US govt gives you citizenship based on deception ( from a fake marriage) you want to start making noise about dual-citizenship and that you will invest in Zambia when you a living from pay-check to pay-check, plus the monthly cuts you give your fake husband/wife.
Yes there could be a few Zambians who can contribute positively to Zambia, but the majority, especially here in the U.S (Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Phoenix) They are not weath it even if we lose them. VIVA SATA
Why do people think dual citizenship will lead to foreigners coming in and stealing Zambia’s resources? Since when did thieves ,crooks, plunderers need dual cistizenship to loot the so called resources? Is it not daft to think that in the 21st century you can close you doors and lock yourself in and expect to grow and develop as a nation? I am off to clean poo at a decent £13 per hour…i dont know how many PF’s minimum wages are in there work it out hehehehehe donk!
kci @#4…that is the MOST ignorant post I’ve read so far. Iskulu isuma bane….
The real reason Unkwa and PF does not want us in the diaspora is that it will increase the number of intelligent voters. This will have a huge impact on the outcome of elections in Zambia….
If you are ignorant and brainless now, dual citizenship will never turn you into an intelligent primate. If this is your level of “intelligence”, good riddance for Zambia does not need you
Besides govt didn’t take away your Zambian citizenship, you gave it away at your own volition
If you bloggers were in politics looking at the way you pride your ideas and hate other worse insult each other….Zambia would have a civil war with no end like Somalia.. Thank God you dont even consider yourselves for political office…its a shame…..Please dont insult fight ideas not souls…yaba
Ignorance rules and reigns in Zambia. For any country in Africa, dual citizenship is a blessing and not a curse. Long time ago, Africa used to receive a lot of foreign aid. Now, remittances from Africans in the diaspora far exceeds foreign aid to the continent. Countries have have dual citizenship like Ghana being the ones that benefit the most from African diaspora remittances. For a country like Zambia that markets tourism, adopting dual citizenship will be a double blessing because the Zambians in diaspora forms a solid base of dedicated tourists whose country of first choice in Africa happens to be Zambia. Does it impress you that there are that many Ethiopians in diaspora flying Ethiopian Airlines everyday and indeed the backbone of that airline?
Why do people want to have two countries to themselves one rich and the other poor it is greediness. I pesonally do not support dual citizenship its bad enough to have two fathers at the same time it is like homosexuality why do you want to do the ass hole shame. Dual citizen is like prostitution have more than one man as long as the can pay. Have more than one country because you are a proffessional where is your loyalty and patriotism in money shameful and selfish i would rather you choose you adopted country than have both nooooo.
Ignorance rules and reigns in Zambia. For any country in Africa, dual citizenship is a blessing and not a curse. Long time ago, Africa used to receive a lot of foreign aid. Now, remittances from Africans in the diaspora far exceeds foreign aid to the continent. Countries that have dual citizenship like Ghana being the ones that benefit the most from African diasporan remittances. For a country like Zambia that markets tourism, adopting dual citizenship will be a double blessing because the Zambians in diaspora form a solid base of dedicated tourists whose country of first choice in Africa happens to be Zambia. Does it impress you that there are that many Ethiopians in diaspora flying Ethiopian Airlines everyday and indeed the backbone of that airline?
either you ar zambian or not
It’s evident that many of you are misinformed about dual citizenship. If you’re a citizen of more than one (1) country, it is actually an advantage to whatever countries you hold citizenship. It is difficult for someone who has lived in one country most of their life to understand why anyone would want Dual Citizenship. For most Zeds, dual citizenship automatically implies dual loyalties and that is what throws up the very uncomfortable questions among Zambians.
Particularly, if one has any political affiliations how can they be loyal to more than omne country? Well, there are a number of advantages that a dual passport holder has…and many of them are financial. If you’re a business traveler then it means less wastage of time in getting visas, permissions etc for example….
Having dual citizenship gives people practical advantages such as more employment opportunities, land ownership (which is another issue in Zed) and so fourth. There is also a very good chance that whenever you have dual nationality, you’ll be required to report all worldwide income in your annual tax returns. Now tell me if this would not benefit Zambia? Ofcourse, there are also soem disadvantages like…lets say, you may be affected if the other you hold citizenship is experiencing political upheavals or is suffering from military conflicts much like what we see in the middle east. Also, there maybe an issue with getting government jobs because of the “loyalty” claim…again. But as one already stated, the advantages out way the disadvantages. Viva DUAL CITIZENSHIP!!!!!!!!
Some of you are not even using your (right) brains to unbiasly and constructively debate this issue. I pity the FOOL….really! @ Bemba Man# 65…you’re excatly the type am refering to here. How the hell do you put a condition like…” show potential to invest back in Zambia”? Are you serious? If you are a true Zambian, how would you even utter a sentiment like that? Dual citizenship is NOT about investment or MONEY> this is a by-product of it (dual citizenship). Do you even see the logic in the reason why most of us are in support of it? You’re probably the same people doing the poopper cleaner’s jobs…talking like you’re all intelligent. Get your facts right my friends and learn to see the good from a broader perspective. Otherwise, shut the hell up!
haha@72 Ichipondo, sorry you will never have dual citizenship. As Zambians we dont want Zambian-Canadians like you. we only want Zambians. At least Sata sees our way on this one. And for your information I can’t always clean my butt clean so why should I clean someone else’s?
And yet again, you continue to show your third grade education level. I feel sorry for you young man, You have a lot to learn in this life. :-w
Zambians are really lost. Failing to work together and building their nation. Shameful
All in all, becoming a citizen of another country other than Zambia is a person choice and to each is own. However, I’ll go on record by saying…the Zambian government MUST know that, at the end of the day, we the Zambian citizens living abroad will end up becoming citizens of other countries whether PF government or whomever, likes it or not. It’s the Zambian governments’ loss from a broader perspective. And if our politicians (including MC himself) can’t see it then, there’s nothing more to be said.
And that’s the bottom line!
Zambia will never lose anything from a thug (Ichipondo) like you. What education do you have for you to start boasting about education? Educated Zambians are getting good jobs in Zambia and not crying for dual citizenship. Enjoy being a second class citizen as Zambia doesnt need You.
Let me stop blogging and continue watching women’s soccer (Sweden vs Canada) while Ichipondo is dying to be a dual citizen
Just so you know, I have an under grad’ degree in Information Technology obtained in the US. I am currently working on my post grad degree in Information Technology Network Security. You yalk about good jobs…I won’t sink so low as to even tell you where I work, what I do and what my yearly income is.
I am blogging because am working from home today (my choice) and have some flex time to catch up with the Zed issues. Is that clear enough to you? Don’t let the UMUPONDO alias fool you. Yes, I was once a renegade kid but in the late 80s and early 90s in Lusaka. I made the leap fro the better because I realized my own potential at early enough unlike you. Yes, wacth women’s soccer…that’s what ignoramus like you finds entertaining. Am done with you.
Sadly there are millions of our nationals like “Bemba Man” and Kci who hold the same ignorant views back home. The onus is on us in diaspora to make this a national issue, we need to get more organized on the ground by lobbying influential parties, use all channels at our disposal to get the message across; which we have lamentably FAILED to do in the past; when a President can go to UK and make ill-researched bold statements against Dual Citizenship just imagine the weight it carries when he makes the selfsame statements in Kitwe, Mongu, Choma, Chipata or Lusaka it’s a just a knockout punch. Sata and the presidents before him are all relics of the past who are unable to see the tangible benefits of Zambians in diaspora..
SO WELL ARTICULATED!!!!
Only people with small minds will fight dual citizenship in this day and age.
Dual Citizenship is a must. Who ever is fighting against it must forget.
That is the problem when your leaders are blind and do not know what they are doing? Currently there is a serious shortage of experienced and competent people globally. If one has a Phd or Masters, it is not difficult to organise a passport. It takes anywhere between 2 years and 3 years for a person to get an EU passport if you are working there. How is Zambia going to develop without human capital? One answer would be to give dual citizenship so that there is free movement of skills. The other is giving citizenship to other nationals that want to live in Zambia. The current leaders have a negative perception of people that are living abroad for no proper reason.
I 2nd that Jane. I guess someone in Zambia needs to start giving lectures on GLOBAL economy. And this negative perception of Zambians living abroad is just annoying. There’s a serious disconnect between our government and reality!
Zambia is ranked #164 on the Human Development Index while Jamaica is ranked #80 and Ghana #135. One major factor going on for Jamaica and Ghana are the Jamaicans and Ghanaans in diaspora respectively. A Ghanaan in diaspora considers Ghana as his or her home country and so does a Jamaican. Because of this, they are able to invest, visit or send money to their respective countries. It was this factor among others that made former president of Ghana Jerry Rawlings to institute policies that were meant to encourage Ghanaans in diaspora to embark on development projects in their country. Today, Ghana has a per capita income twice that of Zambia. Considering that at independence in 1964, Zambia was the richest country in Africa north of the Limpopo, this is quite an issue to ponder.
@ Ikandulwa #78, funny you mentioned Ghana. I have a co-worker of mine who is originally from Ghana and we intrestingly enough had this conversation a few weeks back. It started off with the africa cup championship and the last game Ghana last to Zambia. His whole argument was that, despite winning the afcon, Zambia would not see the vast benefits of that because of certain factors: The landlock issue and also the dual nationality debate came up! It’s true that Zambia should be one of the richest countries to date in Africa. IT IS NOT. And one wonders…whatever happened?
The level of reasoning by most blogers is worrying. What we are talking is citizenship of a country which is fundamental human right not the right to own Market stall or shabeen. Most of us never choose to be born Zambian but it is birthright that we all enjoy. Why should the government take it away when I decide to Go live somewhere apart from Zambia ? If I fall in love with a foreigner why should my child denied the right to be Zambian and enjoy her the right to her mothers citizenship or why should our spouses be forced to renouce the citizens if the want to became zambians ? These are some of questions that blogers should be answering not insulting and chatting party slogans.
Exactly my point @ 79 Kolwe. A few bloggers are basing their so-called arguments on misconceptions more so than reality. By virtue of being born Zambian, you have the right (birth right) to citizenship, period. As you stated, the flip side of that is, your foreign born spouse and kids have zero right to the same. That is infact true to some degree. But, if you decided to become a citizen of your wife’/husband’s country or any other country indeed, you forfeit the right to become a Zambian. I’ll say it again: If one chooses to become another country’s citizen, that is a personal choice and should not have any bearing on your nativity. These are facts that our government needs to take into consideration. I support PF on many fronts but certainly not on this issue here. Sorry!
I am of the opinion that a Zambian “foreign investor” will have Zambia more at heart than non-Zambian investors on average, and I believe that a Zambian “foreign investor” will not externalize much of his profit. Besides, a Zambian “foreign investor” has a broader back-ground with relation to being in touch with the history of the country’s struggle and other processes.
In other words, Viva Dual Citizenship..
The link is
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/include-dual-nationality-in-the-new-zambian-constitutio.html
Nice one. Thank you very much….I will spread the word! We need this put into action ASP.
This is a very good idea, the only problem is that while petitions are very effective in developed countries the story is different in Africa. In African countries too much power is vested in one man who decides the fate of the rest of the population. Is it possible that the PF and its leadership can take a petition seriously?
Why dual citizeship? For what you guys. Its just like you have two girl friends and you are failing to chose who to marry……..get worked up! its one Zambia One Nation. Pipo should be decided one man one wife (girl friends are secrets) sooooo
Those who shout ‘viva Sata’ in support of his opposition to dual citizenship forget one thing, Zambia is bigger than Sata. When he is voted out of office in 2016 the peculiar decisions being forced down peoples’ throats will be instantly trashed.
Zambians always think of today and not of tomorrow. Those who are against dual citizenship have no idea what it is all about. Just because they are in Zambia today and they don’t want to go out they think that their children will not want to do so. People think of the future. The whole negative attitude about dual citizenship is because Rupiah Banda has children who are outside and might claim dual citizenship. The whole thing about fixing Banda and his children. Please politics of revenge must stop.
Ba AWEH MWE imwe…are you kiddinhg me? How the hell do you equate dual citizenship to a personal relationship? You’ve actually made me laugh because I realize that, you NOT be the only person with that tainted opinion of what the gist of this issue truly is. Example; if I were a citizen of another country and Zambia and I have businesses in both countries, I would be required to employee locally before considering a a “foreigner”, I’d also have to pay taxes in bothe contries respectively. Now you tell me if that wouldn’t benefit Zambia? Besides, who’d have Zambia’s best interest of investing than a native Zambian? While in Zambian conducting nay business, my allegiance would always be to Zambian, first. Chinshi chishupile kansi…na papata imwe bantu?
DUAL CITIZENSHIP IS A MUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL ZAMBIANS! IF YOU OPPOSE THESE VIEWS OF THE MAJORITY, JUST GET OVER IT! Nations that have embraced this, are really doing well, economically; statistics are there to show!
The level of ignorance on this forum is astounding! Most of the comments opposing dual citizenship are based on a lack of understanding of what dual citizenship entails.
I have to agree with the PF and president Sata on the issue of dual nationality. Zambia is, quite frankly not ready for dual nationality considerations. We are already second class citizens in our own country when when we are in similar situations with foreigners. Zambia has minerals but people lack the financial capacity to balance this out evenly. You will be opening the flood gates for all sorts of nationally sponsorsored opportunity seeking individuals from china and the India’s of this world. It is already happening in the mines and construction industry where there are complaints of unskilled labourers being brought in. Give dual nationality and these guys will come in numbers. We do not have the same capacity to invade their countries in equal numbers. And the losers will be?
I think a lot of these opposers of dual citizenship think the investors in Zambia will also become citizens of zambia to plunder zambia. Most countries that offer dual citizenship curtail this by making it only available to people born in that country with a traceble heritage. They think dual citizenship will have people coming to zambia who has no connection to it getting citizenship, a silly notion
How does it feel bwana Simumba to finally say something people agree with?
Now stop saying that nonsense of ‘No, the kwacha will appreciate significantly when PF start implementing the many programmes they have’…………that was styupit of you, sir.
Please continue with your new spirit of standing for the people.
#88 @ Tonfo tondo = > thanks fro the link. More need to sign the petition.
I don’t see anything wrong with Dual Citizenship. If President Sata is worried about having more Zambians and less jobs, the solution is simple. Put strict requirements in place that must be mate by every applicant like we have for one to qualify as a president. Some of the requirements are: an applicant must have been born in Zambia, an applicants both or one parent must be a Zambian citizen. The idea is to make it easy for Zambians in Diaspora and their kids born in Diaspora. This process will then eliminate all the non Zambians living in Zambia.
Two words : NATIONAL SECURITY.
THAT’S IF YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THE WORDS YOU HAVE UTTERED!!!
#100 Mwanawakwitu What national security imwe everyone knows ZAF has only eight K-8P jets, the rest are grounded.and Zambian Army are a bunch of alcoholic cowards.
Indeed, tell him!!! One only has to google Zambia defence force or any thing one wishes to find out! Infact, with a bit more time if one fancies, one can even obtain the serial numbers of all those aircraft!! If you also google or youtube videos, Rhodesian airforce raids into Zed, YOU WILL TRULY FIND OUT WHAT WENT ON – so what SECURITY is one harking about??? The best I can think of is instilling fear in the ignorant – & keeping them at bay!!
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Take your big brother and stuff it where the sun don’t….!””£$%^^. The bazungas who created this shite, don’t even show it in their countries, they are busy getting paid whilst you fools watch and text to this crap.
VIVA DUAL. people in zambia have old school thinking and wrong work ethics u need people who have been exposed to he western civilaisation to come take the jobs and show u how it is done u ignorant cunts. VIVA DUAL.
Fellow Zambians, learn to be proud of your country and family you left behind instead of just wishing to back in a casket.
SO WHY ARE YOU NOT IN ZED but Canada??? Does that mean you are not proud of your motherland???
Where would you start from if you ever go back to Zambia? No offense, but its scary. Mosquitoes will greet you and will be forced to go to the clinic. Now talk about horror. Away from your comment, That reminds me. When I was leaving Zambia, using my non-Zambian passport. The dude checking in the luggage, I believe looked at my passport was like, “So ati tamuli ba Zambian” I just looked at him and smiled. The lady standing next to him then went like, “Ine teti inje bombe mu toilet, ukusuka e-bale or ukusunga utukote”. Then the dude went like. “Imwe ba Zambian aba.” I just got my passport and moved on. I still don’t understand how I offended them. Its just beyond me. Imagine how many people would have the same atitude towards you if you ever went back. lol… Good luck
iwe fyabupa we do not want to risky our country.divided royalty
Why waste time on debating on dual citizenship. Our orginal home is Zambia whether you have acquired a second citizenship. Are you aware that if I did something bad in a country I have acquired a second citizenship I will be expelled to my original country. Cleaners and other jobs are professionals. These professionals from abroad have brought more dollars in Zambia by sending to their relatives. Is there any good reason why you can boast that you are a Doctor, Master of science or a cleaner if you are not employed or self employed. Stop wasting time on debating on dual citizenship or professions, Zambians are Zambians despite acquiring 2nd citizenship. MPs, opposition parties and non governmental organizations should concentrate on finding ways, solutions of reducing poverty in Zambia.
Dual nationality applies to allowing Zambians who have acquired other citizenship to continue with their Zambian citizenship as well. Currently, the Constitution states that you lose your Zambian citizenship automatically three months after acquiring another. It has nothing to do with foreigners in Zambia becoming Zambians. They have always had the right to apply if they feel they qualify and it is up to the Zambian govt. to give it to them or not. For example, the British govt. will give citizenship to Zambians who qualify for it, regardless of whether Zambia allows dual citizenship or not. Whether the Zambian govt will allow you to still hold a Zambian passport (which the law currently doesn’t) is your own indaba. The only difference is that if Zambians are allowed to hold two passports
…..and they do not renounce their Zambian citizenship when dual nationality comes in, they will not be afforded the full protection of the British govt. when they are visiting Zambia. The Zambian law will govern your stay in Zambia while the British law and full protection in any eventuality will apply when you are in Britain or any other country than Zambia. I believe its a personal choice and people should be allowed to make that choice. There will still those who have become citizens of other countries who will choose not to re-apply for Zambian citizenship. Its not as if this is new. Dual citizenship was allowed before in Zambia. Kaunda abolished it after some years. Re-introducing it wont have any dire impact on Zambia as it is. I fail to note any convincing argument against it.
In my opinion when one takes up citizenship of another country its a big commitment and therefor should not be asking to keep the other.
Why on earth taken on another countries nationality if dual is not present??? normally people do that because that country has become there home
allowing dual citizenship does not mean that anyone can become Zambian at anytime. theres a s.h.i.t load of conditions that you have to satisfy so i dont see how how allowing it is going to give away jobs to foreigners..
I gave up on your poverty stricken country donkey years ago! I run away from, Aids, hunger, abuse, most of all ignorance and primitive CHIFITA’S like the ones against PROGRESS
Every man is the architect of his fortune, i will not let a lousy citizenship of dunderheads get in my way.
You forgot to mention witchcraft and jealousy! I wonder if that black lousy passport is worth all this trouble?
ba Satan it’s green passport these days, black one does not work any more so if you come with that you will not be allowed into the country sorry
As much as I respect your reasons for leaving & wanting to have nothing to do with Zed, a simple way of advice is, RUNNING AWAY FROM PROBLEMS, IS NEVER A FOOL-PROOF SOLUTION!
This is becoz sooner or later, similar problems will arise, your coping mechanism, which is running away, may not be readily available – so sometimes, it is worthwhile trying to work your way through them. The are some difficult ones though, e.g. when @ UNZA, about 1984, some high ranking politician thought he could come & pump sense into us, so his spiel was,” you think you are clever? Some of you will die with your degrees!!” Now this type, one is justified to avoid it, especially if you will end-up being the breadwinner for a poor family, like putting ones head down & completing their degree.
LT, F.O.O.L.-proof IS NOT AN INSULT!!!! But why am I telling you this? pointless, as you have resigned your editorial skills to a computer!!!
#111 with such kind of bitterness I wonder how well you are doing. Here is Zambia we are building houses, big houses participating in developing. Personally I am in telecoms and taking a lead in improving this area. On top of that I am helping my brothers and sisters finish their degrees, master degrees. By the time you come back with empty hands you will be cleaning our shoes. Everything in Zambia is booming. Even 14 year olds are owning property.
Sounds like “manna in heaven”, who needs to finish school when 14 yr olds own property!!!!
Wonder what “cartels” these 14yr olds are working for & what their currency is!!! Or is it that Zedians have become SO RICH, THEY ARE NOW BUYING PROPERTIES FOR THEIR KIDS LEFT, RIGHT & CENTRE??
Sorry, I believe you, after all, a “hut” doesn’t cost much, a bit of mud, some logs & thatching, & voila, property boom!!
(PS: I can afford to joke about my heritage for am Zambian @heart & soul!!)
doing better than you thats for sure!!! On top of that inherited quite a fortune from my muzungu familiy. So you see… am good with driving convertible Mercedes Benz on the best autobahn on this planet!!
When i visit its people like you that want to clean my shoes hoping to get some of my luck from the dust off my shoes that has walked on all the continents on this planet! There is more to life than eating kapenta mixed with rat shit!!
It is written, “When the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch”. There’s no question in my mind that the Zambian president is blind with respect to this question of dual citizenship. The question is whether or not we should choose to follow a blind leader and risk falling into the ditch or reject his leadership? If it were true that dual citizenship encourages those in the diaspora to come back and take away jobs from the locals, wouldn’t we have seen this trend in those countries that already have dual citizenship? Check the facts for yourself and you will discover that what is happening in those countries is actually the opposite. Is this another CNP case or not? It’s indeed frightening to have a blind man at the helm of power.
@84 Umupondo I appreciate your comment. Whichever way one looks at it, dual citizenship is a winning way for any country in this globalized economy. The world is increasingly becoming like a global village. No country can control the movement of human capital. Any country that chooses to shut the door against those that leave is commiting sacrilege against itself. Less than five years ago, Zambia’s per capita income was comparable to that of Ghana. Now, it’s about half that of Ghana. Considering that Zambia’s population is about half that of Ghana, it’s unfathomable that Zambia could have fallen that far much behind in so short a time.
Dual citizenship is nothing but artificial, funny how the diaspora guys are the ones pushing aggressively for this, first ones to ‘flee’ Zambia.
“Glass half-full, half-empty”, type of guy I see!!!
#70, is there any law which prohibits to come as a tourist?, or to visit zambia or to send money to your relatives or to put up any kind of investment? do you think that when dual citizenship is introduceed thats when you will be able to do that? please i need an answer
Let us not be cheated by those advocating for dual citizenship that it will help develop the country. The reasons they want it are simple. They just want to move freely between the two country to avoid VISAs, scrutiny, fees. They want to be able to educate their children easily and cheaply especilly in the USA were there is a very big difference in schools between USA citizens and Aliens. These are personal interests and do not take me wrong that i am against DC, but I am asking you guys to come and have this included in the constitution. Local Zambians are not going to fight this for u because the has mo pressing issue include.
@# 115: I bet given a choice to leave Zambia, you definitely would too. Don’t be mad at those of us who left Zambia to better ourselves. If you choose to be in Zambia because you can not leave (for whatever reason) then, that’s too bad for you. Matter of fact, people like you need to remain in Zambia indefinitely because with that attitude of yours, I guarantee you wouldn’t survive in the western world. Zambia deserves more than just mere primary school drop outs. Most of us left Zambia, to further our education so that we can not just be better individuals but also better world citizens. You sound very bitter and unappreciative. Zambia needs us as much as we need it. The ability to NOT LOOSE ZAMBIAN CITIZENSHIP is the real DEBATE here. Add something positive if anything. Thank you.
Lol… The only way for Zambia to develop is for the people to change and progress in the level of thinking. Don’t make it your business to know what your neighbor is wearing or eating. If the Dual citizenship does not affect you in anyway, leave it be and concentrate on issues that affect you. There is so much hate from the comments towards people who have left Zambia, which I really find to be sad. That’s not who we Zambians are. FYI, remaining in Zambia does not make anyone inferior at all. If anything you are legendary hero who is still standing despite the economic thwarting.
People leaving abroad can bring in development ideas, which we can buy in or not in my opinion.
@kci
Even after taking 24 hours off to brainstorm this issue with your “well learned” colleagues at the bar this is the best you can come up with…this is really amazing.
LMFAO…too funny indeed.
Dual nationality does not mean job loses for Zambians at home. It is a birth right to have citizenship. Most Bembas come from Kola region which Cameroon, Congo etc.. Bembas are NOT originally from Zambia – they are from the North Kola area. They fled Kola and came and settle in Zambia’s Northern province and started stealing land, cattle, wives, children etc.. from the mambwes and namwangas from Tanzania. “Abemba atize” they cried. Having taken over ownship of Northern region, they started spreading South and branching off to all areas. Bembas are diasporas in Zambia
Sata is from Congo
MWANA WANDI WALANDA BWINO,BUT DO NOT FORGET THAT THAT WAS LONG AGO.EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO KOLA,YOU WILL NOT BE NOTICED
We need to ask ourselves why America is the most successful country in the world. The American forefathers were risk takers who left Europe and went to live in a foreign land. In a way, there was a sort of genetic migration of highflyers out of Europe. This is what has happened to our country as a significant group of people with a lot of economic potential left the country due to economic opportunities. History has shown that such people can play an important role, if they are managed properly like the Indian case.
The choices we make now will have an important consquence in future. In my opinion, we have more to gain by removing the restrictions on citizenship than letting them remain
If your even still debating the issue of dual citizenship then you are really behind in the world as things go. Really really behind.
no way this should not happen we are going 2 have many zambians look at kenya and ten years time it somali will take over kenya,so pipo nakana mr sata you are rite on this one
No to Dual Citizenship in Zambia Period!
What a “nom de plume!!”
No surprises then, with the line of argument!!!
We argue passionately over the darnedest things :)
Let those who want it get it. My question is when are we going to start working out how the rest of us who are happy with residence status or who reside in Zed can have a better travel experience. Tired of filling in forms, getting biometric mugshot and finger prints taken just for a Schengen visa. Jokingly told the French embassy rep I felt violated and she blushed and was so apologetic coz they do get it. Yes switching nationalities is an easy out for me but I don’t need or want to so how long do we just take this nonsense that emanates from someone else’s previous abuse of a system? Maybe we need to collect foreign biometrics and share the blushes :)
Dual Citizenship y’all. Thats the way to go, find out how its working for other countries who are doing it before you say no .I dont see the big deal, you people opposing can also jjust be dual citiziens if you want.
FOREIGNERS,YOU WANT TO SUPPORT U FOR RUBBISH, DUAL WILL NOT ALLOWED IN ZAMBIA SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO SIANSONGA
YOU WANT IF YOU STEAL IN ZAMBIA AND RUN TO OTHER COUNTRIES