THE Council of African Political Parties (CAPP) says the International Criminal Court (ICC) was set up to humiliate African leaders.
CAPP president Wynter Kabimba says the ICC was not established in good faith.
Mr Kabimba who is also Zambia’s Minister of Justice and secretary general of the ruling Patriotic Front, says the time has come for African countries to reject the ICC and other Western influences meant to humiliate Africans.
He told journalists here that when the CAPP held a meeting in Lusaka last month, the ICC was discussed and members spoke against it.
Mr Kabimba said CAPP supports Kenya’s decision to pull out of the ICC.
“We support Kenya for pulling out of the ICC and urge other African countries to follow suit,” he said.
He said time has come now for African governments to take charge of their own affairs. Zambia is party to the ICC.
Kenya pulled out of the ICC last week after its Parliament voted on the decision, becoming the first African country to do so.
The ICC was set up in 2002 and Kenya’s President Uhuru Kenyatta and his deputy William Ruto are facing trial at the Hague.
The United States of America, Israel and Sudan are not party to the ICC.
elo lwanya nomba, bafikala abamilandu balaisula impanga yonse.
exactly my fear as well.
it will now be ‘chipaye nolamwina’ in most african countries that thrive on wars as if it were part of their pass time.
sad indeed.
Kabimba prepare yourself, we take you to ICC when you lose power for crimes against humunity.. that place was made for you!!…. pray that you die before that time comes!!
@Ponzi – I beg to diasgree. African countries can handle their cases. Why is it that Asians and citizens of other continents who continue to commit genocide and flout international law are not being taken to the ICC? Beside we can handle our own issue. We prosecuted Chiluba for corruption without the help of western consultants. We are now putting Rupiah Banda on his defence. These are good steps and by comparison Zambia has performed far better than the ICC. How many people has the ICC prosecuted since its establishment? Less than 5. At what cost? Billions of dollars. The ICC can go to hell. Kabimba is right…infact Zambia must start having the debate about when we can withdraw from ICC. After all, in Zambia we don’t even need it.
Isolation isolation end results. We don’t fear police when you are innocent. Same goes with International organizations.
So why now????????
Who is scared of ICC or so.
I looked for Kabimba at Sakeni’s funeral he missed it. That man hates people or humanity, even in death. His crimes need be tried not at ICC but in hell, Sata is his witness.
Look at that face, which country can welcome him and offer him water? Not even Iran anymore…
The USA is not a member of the ICC!!!! Why? We should put out like yesterday. Every country should handle their own affairs.
@mpozi,
exactly my fear as well.
now it will be like ‘chipaye nolamwina’ thing in most of these african countries that thrive on wars as their pass time.
very sad indeed.
iwe Kabimba, in the first place, who forced these African Countries to join the ICC? Let each African country decide on its own, do not start a campaign against the ICC. Kenya has its own reasons for pulling out, other countries may not have reasons to pull out!
Until the ICC starts showing impartiality in their work every well meaning country should avoid it. Culprits from powerful countries like US and Britain have not been indicted . Infact US,Britain,China some of the world’s most powerful countries are not members.
Spot on!
The ‘big dogs’ never get punished in Africa that is why an alternative is needed.
This smacks of “I will deal with you when we get home away from the public eye’ If Zambia pulls out of the ICC then the start of dictatorship will be officially confirmed and you can kiss goodbye to 24-Oct-1964 commemorations.
We are the guardians of democracy in Southern Africa if not the whole of Africa. Do not undermine this position for blind support of the Uhuru led Kenyan government. The tribal issues in Kenya are chocking that country to death. If Uhuru and his cahoots did the crime surely they should do the time. How many African leaders have been humiliated by the ICC? Did they have a case to answer?
You speak as if Zambia is sparkling clean of the cancer of tribalism.
The real fear for Kabimba about the ICC is that it is this body that is about to determine the fate of Barotseland and Zambia. The indications from preliminary hearings are that Zambia has a case to answer that could see the two separate.
when are you starting the same processes with angola, namibia, botswana and zimbabwe since your barotse thing overlaps in these countries.
until you do this, no one will take you serious.
The ICC lost it’s credibility a long time ago, even prior to the Kenyan issue when it became clear that there were some forces behind using it to install leaders of their choice in Africa and eliminating the ones they disliked.
Are there not enough lawywers and judges in Africa to create a continental judicial system with the authority and competence to prosecute crimes committed within the continent? This is what we mean when we say African solutions to African problems.
If within the Country big wigs are never prosecuted then I wonder how dictators in Africa are going to prosecute themselves. Africa is unique in that systems never work. Dictators are are law and Law is dictatorship. Look at the supreme Court of Zambia and honestly tell me if one would get Justice from it? The Dora Siliya case is a clear example of the abuse of the Judiciary by the Executive. How does a Lawyer (Attorney General) appeal without instructions from the client (ECZ)? The Attorney General got instructions from PF who are not party to the case and went ahead to appeal. If this can happen at national level, how much more do you expect at Continental Level with the likes of Mugabe, Al Bashir, Museven and Sata in leadership! Africa is not ripe for such a court!
I never heard of an African criminal court for the Europearns let alone the world at large, Europe has more criminal corrupt leaders who have gotten away with crimes for humanity, Asia has leathal ones who kill innocent powerless civilians/ opponents as if they were spraying insect killler on flies, America has the worst culprits and Mekiko (Mexico) all them drug lords are more dangerful than the Italian Mafias, they even control states and towns no civil laws hold any weight they are their for formality, What about Africa?!!!! poor Africans are treated worse than a dog with rabbies and we applaud……… my word we are so blind, what kind of material did our maker use to build us? yes we are so different it hurts, am not saying they shouldnt be punished, yes they must, but by who?
Now that’s what I call Clever thinking Cindy. When Africans begin to think this way, we shall become a Developed Continent.
Amen Cindy
Unfortunately despite me Not being a Kabimba fan, I whole heartedly agree with this. There are lots of War Criminals running around as free men, Iraq war perpetrators -on False grounds, Shatilla massacre, Kissinger, to name a few. The only reason they are free is they are Not African, Asian, or South American. The only exception I can remember is Milosovic & other ex Serbian leaders. Why should Africans recognise this sham. War Criminals in the West are even rewarded for their War Crimes, by being made Ambassadors for the same regions they brutalised, ie a certain envoy to the middle East, from U.K, who’s even raking in cash from his posting. Only a person who’s oblivious to goings on, on the International stage would endorse this Selective instrument that mainly targets Africans
true, but my question is: who is forcing the Africans to still be part of ICC? Any aggrieved Country should just pull out without making unnecessary noise or alarm.
The ICC can go to hell. For me, the ICC is just an employment industry. Some clever chap who was about to lose his/her job came up with the idea of the ICC for African leaders. The Africans blinked and signed up and now they are the only ones being taken there. We have plenty of genocidal cases in Asia, criminal cases in Arabia, and international law being flouted by the so-called democratic west, but the ICC never even talks about any of those cases. Believe me, the ICC is nothing more than an organisation providing employment to some self-centred egomaniac. To hell with the ICC.
I.D.I.O.T. not so-called but ACTUAL S.T.U.P.I.D. I.DI.O.O.T. with IQ of dead chicken.
It is not west fault that people like your party members are locked-up in mental hospital in the west and appointed in Africa. What can you show for 50 years of freedom? NOTHING!!!
For your information, check ICC cases and then speak jack-ass
WK fight your battles here. Oil Saga.
Remind the chap ba ba. He goes to talk irrelevantly about our neighbours’ issue when our own house is in a mess…
If only you people in the comfort zone could suffer at the hands of a dictator like Amin, the Hutu millitias or the Butcher of Kosovo, then you would realise why institutions like the ICC and the UN exist. A friend of mine does not believe in the existence of God now because she says she prayed for her class to be saved when the Butcher of Kosovo’s men attacked her school. Only her survived by pretending to be dead, lying among a pile of the dead. Not a single Zambian has had the chance of going through such, and yet you condemn blindly. Which upright leader in Africa can claim to have been humiliated by the West? Ever heard of Mandela been persecuted for bad crimes against humanity? I thank God for the peace in my beloved Zambia…but I won’t pretend evil can never reign there.
What about Bush killing all innocent children in Iraqi etc, let Africa deall with the likes of Amins, Hutu militias, why do you always wait for the western world to deal with your issues cant you yourselves get organised for once and do what is right? dont you have the same brains as the west? or the shapes and sizes are different like the early Europeans thought? No one is saying these criminals should be left to go free, but its about time Africans dealt it it’s shamblic behaviour on its own! For how long are you people going to be free from this colonisation? wake up!
@ Madam Cindy, I’m up alright. It took Nyerere invading Uganda to sort out Amin. The AU did nothing. Our neighbours in Zim have had a leader shut up opposition by threatening and promising r.a.p.e to women and their girl-children if they dissent from his view. The peaceful Malians suffered at the hands of better financed renegades until the French intervened. When we talk about help from outside a country, we’re not talking about the West, but about help from someone as equipped or better than the oppressor. But as is the case, the West have proved to be better equipped. You’re probably in Belgium because that particular West has what you want. You didn’t wait for what you want to be home grown. We as citizens do not have the ability to fight govts in Africa. Be realistic!
I totally agree with you, but my cry is for how long can we go own like this? why are we not taking these crimes seriously, why are we not getting the equipment neccessary to help diffuse these antics, why are our african leaders shielding criminals why are they not doing enough, why are they just looking on? What’s the main objective of our African leaders for Africa in the next 50years? this is what really hurts, the trend being set is the same, a stream flowing following a certain partern? what legacy will be left for the next generation of leadership in Africa? the same receiving handouts on everything? this is so weakening to even digest, am tired just ingesting these questions, i hope something will be done for a better tomorrow.
Just like removal of RB’s immunity was meant to simply humiliate him in his own country! Kabimba is a wrong person to complain.
It took Nyerere invading Uganda to sort out Amin. The AU did nothing. Our neighbours in Zim have had a deranged leader, a leader who has shut up opposition by threatening and promising rape to women and their girl-children if they dissent from his view. The peaceful Malians suffered at the hands of better financed renegades until the French intervened. When we talk about help from outside a country, we’re not talking about the West, but about help from someone as equipped or better than the oppressor. But as is the case, the West have proved to be better equipped. You’re @ school most probably in Belgium because that particular West has what you want. You didn’t wait for what you want to be home grown. What’s worse is African politicians have made an untouchable clique which u r…
Hon. Kabimba, tell us about 210 million of USD and what did you intend to do?
Chewa People Say: Kan’goma kobvekela kwambili sikachedwa udooka?? “ A Loud and Very Famous Drum, doesn’t last” where is Sakeni MHSRIP??? I reserve my comments for you Wynter? Because you just talk too much. We saw this in MMD all loud drums ended in ????? Bloggers finish the story??
DEAD
I totally support honourable Kabimba on this one, its time African countries make their own decisions. Abash ICC!
until the time Africans are grown enough to make make such decisions, the ICC is necessary. Whether they concentrate on African leaders or not still does not negate the fact that these so-called leaders committed very grievous crimes that need to be punished. Yes there will be the age-old rhetoric of ‘to hell with the west we can take care of ourselves’ but we need to understand that when we say this, it’s a equivalent to a spoilt child telling off his parents and running away from home. In the end, he will come back, hungry and broke. Let us try and be realistic. We are still children, and with the current beloved Government at the helm, we have gone back to wearing diapers.
When will Bush and Blair be sent to ICC for the deaths of 000’s of innocent Iraqi civilians.When will Ariel Sharon be at ICC for murder of Palestinians? When will Sata be taken to ICC for political deaths by PF goons? Its only when such happens will i believe ICC is a fair court.
Zambia is a sovereign state and we have every right to decide on the matters concerning ourselves.Kabimba should be supported on this issue.The icc to my own reasoning is like it was formed to prosecute African leaders.why is icc not prosecuted Bush and Tony Blair for the crimes committed in Iraq and Afghanistan.icc is toothless when it comes to united states of America but when it comes to africa icc can bite.Kenya I saylute u let africa decide its affairs. Colonial time is over Africa stand up and fight for your rights
Zambia is a sovereign state and we have every right to decide on the matters concerning ourselves.Kabimba should be supported on this issue.The icc to my own reasoning is like it was formed to prosecute African leaders.why is icc not prosecuted Bush and Tony Blair for the crimes committed in Iraq and Afghanistan.icc is toothless when it comes to united states of America but when it comes to africa icc can bite.Kenya I saylute u let africa decide its affairs. Colonial time is over Africa stand up and fight for your rights no need for whites to think for usi
If you restrict our free press’s ability to report on African war crimes, will you still insist on taking their economic aid?