Chief Government Spokesperson, Mike Mulongoti, regretted that some people were
maligning President Mwanawasa and government over the remarks made in Ndola recently
in response to a call for scraping off PTA charges.
Mr. Mulongoti told ZANIS in a statement that President Mwanawasa did not state that
people should stop having children but stressed the need for parents to consider
sacrificing for the education of their children.
“At no time in his harmless remarks about the need for parents to pay PTA charges
did President Mwanawasa say that he wanted to reintroduce school fees in primary
schools or that parents who could not afford PTA charges should stop having
children,” Mr. Mulongoti said.
“The President made the anecdotal remarks in the context that parents with children
had to make sacrifices for their education and that PTA charges were an
insignificant contribution,” He added.
He explained that the president was merely underscoring the point that there was a
difference between schools fees determined by government and the PTA charges
determined by PTA boards in accordance with the needs and ability of parents of
individual schools.
He reiterated Government’s commitment to the provision of education to all school
going children which he said is demonstrated by the decision to scrap school fees in
primary schools and annually increasing the national budgetary allocation towards
expansion and improvement of education services.
“It was in this context that President Mwanawasa advised the Copperbelt MMD
chairperson, Mr Terrence Findlay to establish if what the people were complaining
about was PTA charge.” Mr. Mulongoti explained.
Mwebantu is Mulongoti normal? Such non policy blunders should be left to Musukuma to deal with.
People follow what they are told by their leaders. Its so sad that it came out that way. So sad.
Mulongoti is talking nonsense. Whats insignificant to him isnt to most citizens. What does he mean “anecdotal remarks”? Eduaction should be free in Zambia, not even PTA? Findlay is accused of raping girls who should have been in class, how he is going help solve this?
Mulongoti is a useless guy, ever since he was appinted, his remarks have never been proffessional. He defends even things that he is not supposed to defend.
People have to talk when things are not correct. No one is gaining political capital. Levy should just appologise
Ba Chuchu, if you have nothing to say, it is better you shut your trap. Mulongoti, just go milk your dogs, we know mwanawasa easily forgets and may as well not have meant what he said. He is a product of a humble family like many of us and he has turned out good. Ba Chuchu..apologizeyourself
Thebible says that its what comes out of a man that defiles him. Levy should just correct the mistake himself.
Mulongoti is no different than any other fortune seeker in public office? fortune seekers would do anything to please the pay master LPM!
Guys remember the specs I gave you for the next President, I only hope all of you bloggers are registered voters,the problem we have HK and Pragfimofimo dont vote so if we have to effect change we need your vote.We cant have a President who is always engaging his mouth before the brain.His remarks about PTA are un paliamentary and not worth coming out of the father of the nation.The bible is very clear go and multiply and doesnot say go pay fees.Just collect taxes from your damn Indians on the mines and cover the have nots,can you compare yourself to the European lazy chaps who survive on the sweat of the unfortunate few?the govt pays for their housing, transport etc,come on Levy think before you talk
Not long ago again he uttered some unpalatables where he said the constitution wont bring your marriages? Kuli vaso sure iwe chi Veteran? Imwe tuma henchmen tubena Veteran tuzayamba kumikwapulani nama shamboko to straighten your medullas.
#8.KUKU MUKWAI.Where do you draw the line between “go and multiply” and taking full responsiblity about our actions.
#10 There is no line dividing go and multiply and responsibility in the PTA case,firstly remember politicians are responsible for creating and eliminating poverty.Responsiblity is a relative word and goes with situations.All things being equal,no one can fail to pay PTA, hosiptal fees etc,so what ever caused that incapacity is what chuchu should have addressed before opening that big mouth wide open.People struggle even with 2 children,so when and where does resposnibility start and end?Chapi let us take for instance a house servant, which amongst you pay them a living wage as an employer? And can you classify such a person irresponsible when you the emloyer pays slave wages?We are humans becuase of deginity of others.People like Veteran pay their house servants K120,000 per month in Lusaka, one room in Kalikiliki with power is K70,000 that leaves this person with K50,000, cooking oil 5 litres is K35,000, mealimealie roller meal is K27,000 already someone is in OD what does that mean?
One can only try to make sense of stupidity at the risk of looking stupid themselves. What Levy said was very clear and all who have ears to listen and a brain to figure out clearly know the intended meaning of his statement. It was like Vernon Mwaanga in Zaire trying to sell Zambia to Katebe Katoto and coming back to vehemently deny it, claiming he had been misquoted. The agony of Mulongoti is to have to clean such a gigantic Muwelewele’s mess, one really wonders the extent to which some people would go for a job. You can bet it if Levy told Mulongoti to drop his pants down and wank, the fool would ask ‘to what extent?”
This is aborminable!!!!Folks lets not promote degenaration.
Ba Pragmatist mukalamba ,
Please ignore the poor soul Kuku ranting without self hope. I will handle him with more choking articles.
Personal for Kuku & Chapi,
More from Ba Kateka:
‘DEMOCRACY TO PREVAIL’
PRESIDENT Mwanawasa says his administration will ensure that democracy is allowed to prevail in the country and respected by all who cherish the rule of law.Mr Mwanawasa said without democracy and respect for the rule of law, anarchy would become the order of the day.He urged Zambians not to take peace and security the country has enjoyed since independence for granted but to guard it jealously.
Mr Mwanawasa was speaking yesterday when he officiated at the Zambia Air Force base in Livingstone at the commissioning and wings parade for Officer Cadets.He said Zambia had been an oasis of peace while some of the countries on the continent, including some neighbours, had experienced insecurity.”Our peaceful country has had to carry the burden of hosting our brothers and sisters from these trouble spots by giving them refuge.It is our desire that we lend more effort to peace making efforts so that the continent of Africa can progressively devote more of its resources to economic development,” he said.
He said it was for the same reason that Zambia needed to maintain peace and live in harmony with the neighbours.Mr Mwanawasa said Zambia would neither support nor condone citizens of other countries waging war with one another as this would result in untold misery for Zambians.”Zambia will, therefore, always work towards the promotion of peaceful coexistence in the sub-region,” he said.
The President paid tribute to the Zambia Air Force for the role it had been playing when some districts suffered floods because of torrential rains.He said ZAF provided essential logistical support to the relief efforts of the Government when floods caused considerable damage to both crops and infrastructure.Mr Mwanawasa said his Government had taken measures to mitigate the effects of the floods as well as repair the damaged infrastructure.
He also said his administration was determined to continue with its fight against corruption in all sectors of the economy.The President said Government was aware that if corruption remained unchecked, it was capable of destroying the moral fibre of the nation and undermine Government efforts to revamp the economy.”My Government is committed to continue waging war against this scourge.The fight against corruption is not for Government alone but a responsibility for all Zambians who would like to see our country achieve economic prosperity.
Zambians from all walks of life must partner the Government to ensure that together we win this war,” he said.And Mr Mwanawasa said Zambians should protect themselves against the ravages of HIV and AIDS.He said members of the Zambia Defence Force were vulnerable because the nature of their duty requires them to occasionally be separated from their families.”You need to individually maintain high moral discipline in order to avoid infection.
My Government has allocated huge resources to fight this pandemic, but it continues to ravage our critical human resource which is required to push our economic development forward,” Mr Mwanawasa said.He urged the graduates to utilise their newly acquired skills in working even harder in the defence of the country.”Please remember that Government and the people of Zambia, whom you have sworn to serve, have entrusted into your care very expensive and sophisticated equipment,” he said.
And speaking at the same occasion, ZAF Commander, Lieutenant General Sam Mapala, commended Government and Zambians for the unflinching support rendered to his personnel.Lt. Gen. Mapala said the support had enabled the smooth training of the men and women in uniform in their respective fields of operation.He said his officers were now ready to serve the nation.The ZAF commander urged the graduates to be mindful that their job demanded 24 hour-service.
On arrival in Livingstone, Mr Mwanawasa was welcomed at the Livingstone International Airport by ministers of Defence, George Mpombo, Tourism, Environment and Natural Resources Michael Kaingu, Southern Province Minister Joseph Mulyata, Service Chiefs, senior government officials and party cadres.
Gentlemen,
It is a fact that almost all of us parents on this blog have our children in a private school, be it pregrade, primary, secondary or college.We are very eager to get the best education for our children and are willing to give to sacrifice whatever resources we have for this investment.Education is an investment and investing is never free.
Even in the townships and compounds at every corner you now find a private school and parents no matter how meagre their resources are investing in quality education for their children.
Right now government has declared free education for Primary level, but even then certain miniumum conditions for decent education must exist and there is always a cost to which parents must contribute.Chalk,paper,school furniture,text books,materials for practical subjects, disinfectants for ablution blocks,materials and logistical support for extra carricular activities all cost money.Parents must pay a small fee at least.
# 15
You are a realist. Keep em’leaning. The future lies in reality in the face of changing times. After almost 43 years i don’t expect my kids to undergo the same welfare economics i grew in. I don’t expect them to receive that piramid pack of milk and the super loaf bread UNIP use to give us in schools. Education of children is a shared responsibility. GRZ pay salaries, settles utility bills and maintains infrastructures. Parents must take their shares too if things have to be of standards.
Levy z ryt but he lacked courtesy in wat he said.Mulongoti z a complete ***** who thinks that his job is to protect levy.
# 17 ulibe nzelu,
I must confess you are another Chiselekwete seen here in the class of Joze, Lifa, AM, Shaka Zulu and Kuku. So you think Mulongoti’s job is to fail Levy and open the Party to cheap politicking? Is that what your wife does incase of any flaw? kodi unalandilapo Matepeto ewe mwina mukazi wako anaonapo alangizi ewe? You come out too clueless in issues of public life politics.
I really question if you have ever taken any “Though” class in behaviorial sciencies.
IMF, World Bank counsel Zambia
By ANGELA CHISHIMBA
GOVERNMENT has been advised to use the Fifth National Development Plan (FNDP) to guide its national expenditure allocations.
The advice is from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank.
The two institutions have also urged Government to improve its capacity to evaluate the effectiveness and efficiency of expenditure programmes as a means to rank new and on-going expenditure programmes by their impact on growth and poverty reduction.
This is contained in the Poverty Reduction Strategy Paper (PRSP) paper progress report, prepared by the World Bank and IMF.
The website report was posted on August 22, 2007.
“Government should put in place a more efficient, productive and equitable tax system to cover all sectors, and improve incentives to service delivery at all levels of government,†the report reads.
The two institutions noted in the report that for government to improve its ability to implement the FNDP, it should speed up the implementation of reforms in the Private Sector Development Initiative to improve the country’s competitiveness.
The IMF stated in the report that it considered the FNDP as a document, which broadly provided a comprehensive framework for growth and poverty reduction in the country.
“The Zambian government should continue to base its Medium Term Expenditure Framework (MTEF) and its annual budget on realistic financing assumptions,†the report reads.
The World Bank and the IMF have suggested that certain amendments to the Republican Constitution should be de-linked from the wider constitutional reform process.
The two institutions have cited the public sector pension fund on sound financial footing and the amendment to change the budget cycle.
#16 Mwaice veteran for once be normal and see things obejctively, last nite I talked about Zambia lsoing resources through hefty stealing by you and your collegues.Read the article above #19 and let me find your wise comments when I come back from Kapiri Mposhi.Education is key for development no one doubts that but we need proper policing as to what should be done.When I was studying abroad at one point I dont remember being asked to pay any PTA but collectively we were involved in fund raising ventures for the school so why cant we do the same here? Its shallow thinking to assume things, let people contribute in the best way they can not just looking at fees that is mediocre reasoning and backwardness
We understand that the government should somehow be helped by cobtributing to our education system. But even in countries were there is no free education the governments give exemption to some of their citizens because they are very poor to contribute.Yes,we may have private school mushrooming everywhere but it does not mean all the people can afford to take their children to these schools.In Zambia we like pretending too much most of us are taking our kids to these schools beacuse its the in thing.The President is wrong.We need solutions not talking without thinking.By the way someone paid for our Presidents’ education. He gave him a busary through his company.I dont think he could have been a lawyer today if the person who helped him had the same atitude.
One would ask why take children to a private school? What has gone wrong with govt schools? Aren’t we going to see a situation where all govt schools being privatized since IMF has had its pilot projects in Zed? As for you Mulongoti keep misinterpreting to the masses what your master says. Thats what you’re paid for. As for you LPM, we need to see real economic growth. Look at the roads into compounds. Poverty! Poverty!
#21 Mr Zed and Gluco
At the time UNIP Government was giving free education it had compelling reasons:-
An accerelerated need for educated and skilled Zambians to take over Jobs from expatriates and foriegns especially in govenment aor quasi government institutions.
The economy was good, copper prices were high, the population was relatively small and the country had enough bank reserves.Government then could afford to offer free quality education in it’s institutions.
Regardless of our circumstances we must take some form of responsibility in educating our children and that must be at least even if it means making a token mcontribution towards their education.
Citizen #20. You’re very right. Much as I understand that its not just a matter of being a parent; there is got to be responsible parenting. Now my is education for our children. For them to get quality education, they got to be in private schools which are more expensive. What about the majority poor who can’t even afford a school uniform? Just the other day, 1 man was on TV asking for assistance. God blessed him with triplets instead of 1.
Hello everybody. Just wanted to say goodmorning to y’all. It’s 7:30 am here. I hope your day is great.
I was of the view that the reason we pay taxes, is for the Govt to provide services such as health, education,etc and not to be splashing cash on environmentaly unfriendly,gas guzzling 4X4s for the hyenas. You heartless chaps, every child- including our street brothers and sisters- has a right to receive education that most of you got for free.
#25 Christy, morning, hows your hubby hunting going. Any leads? good blogging.
# 18 i dont come here to rant,praise or offer blind loyalty like your visionless Mulongoti.You must be married to a whore,how does the issue of wives come in you Inswa.Am not ready to engage in petty feuds with 24 carat *****s like you.
How was KK wamuyayaya managing free education from primary to university levels even abraod despite sunctions from the west?
Veteran nad Pragmatist
Imwe bonse muli mbushi mabwe and that grey hair of yours make you think like crown to spurn you from real world and enclosed in the world of fantasy and being reduced to bootlicking old techniques just to earn a living is absurd at your ages. Despondently you have now fixed your melting brains cheese like into none return fixed mode yielding you with nothing but pride of unidentified itinerary. Do you know that my fellow bloggers need Kuku more than you finished folks? Iwe ka Pragmatist which farms in Chisamba, were you talking about? No body in Chisamba has two farms closer to those pipo you mentioned. Leka ubufi ka Pragfimofimo. You said your child is at UNISA. Do you know that UNISA is equivalent to AZARIA where dull chaps are dragged in just coz someone can part away with stolen cash? If you are rich as you claimed take your children to reputable varsities like Havard, Oxfold, Leeds, Rhodes, Stellanbosch, Witwatersandrand, even our UNZA is better than UNISA.
Wait for my second coming to finish you up.
#25 Christy how are you? Aint you going for work today? I thought you were serious with your profession of helping the sick what has happened are you on free. Christy are white or black we want your roots. This is no discrimination just being curios.
#25 Christy,do you want to get married to all of us on the blog?
#31 I am fine. Still trying to find my soul mate. I am working nights Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I am african american (black american).
#32 Not all of you. I aint crazy. Just one of you.
How much is the PTA fund that has raised so much acrimony?
Democracy, Democracy, Democracy what’s the big deal?
Democracy put people like Hitler and Mussolini into power seventy years ago.
Democracy means even stupid people get a vote. Do you agree we only see things certain ways “because everybody says so”, or because “the media says so”, no matter how wrong they might be, or what agendas they might have.
How does that compare with an absolute ruler, preferably a benevolent one who’ll keep to the law, treat everyone equally, and cause no unnecessary trouble?
Is a Machiavellian dictator the best way to go? We have experienced being lead by a control freak so to me democracy is just a sham to keep the masses under control.
And I will fight all of my life to defend the ‘stupid people’ who just want to love and respect each and let God do the rest!
Who leaves in Kentucky, HOPKINSVILLE is it Boniface Kabeso or Veteran hahaha. Kuku this Pragfimofimo is a mumia he is difficult to trace I will watch his traffic. I want to expose him. Observer thank you for you attack last nite it doesnt dare me I know you are a Kachepa so Iam not scared of you, you can go ahead.
#Kuku I thought you in Kapiri. Check above about Pragfimofimo our Zambian Ngugi. The man is untracable. His copy and paste articles are from Daily mail small Iam catching up with him this neighbor of Machungungwa. PTA has been there since Kaunda era what is the problem you guys these are not exzorbant fees. We should better tallk about boarding fees because that is where the problem is with our Zambian schools. How are examination at present Kuku? As far as I can remember the in 1989 it was K13.00 for Grade 12 exams. Grade was free. In 1976 grade entry fee was K1.00 and today. Leta Data Gluco and education these masses here. I hope we are not heading harvard style of education because this will kill our elite future managers.
#30 BaJoze pakafulafuta ba police balefwaya pasa mulopa na Coca cola ati bafwa insala.They have no clue the last time they got paid,so bali nama worries ma sukulu yaseguka,bana nama fees. Nacifuma ku Kapiri mukufwaya ama orders.On your way to Ndola please buy them something-one is Design Lungu,the other is Pregnant Mwanza and a short man with no teeth is Hopeless Sakala
#37 Easy Mwaice forget about them they are a disgrace and disgruntled lot with zero value, old age and still stuck in Disapora,kutumpa sana.
#35 My dear brother its not the question of the quantums its the context under which it was said by this Lawyer wama Lawyers,the man has no humour at all.Maureen must be a very strong person to live with such a person all her youthful life.
#38 Mwaice Pa Kapiri napa Ndola its 45 minutes drive,I left in the morning and had a short meeting at KPG factory then straight drove back cos I have a meeting at 4 with one political chap.Mwaice Easy the problem we are struggling with is someone saying ‘dont bear children if you can not pay PTA’Imagine Gordon Brown ,Tony balir or George Mpanga telling their citizens like that, do imagine what could fall on them? Wisdom patali yaba
#39 KUKU MUKWAI.I know that ili ifontini ‘lawyer yama lawyers’ chabwelapofye pali diplomacy.My simple point is that these youths are supposed to be responsible enough before they think of having kids.Utu utubaiche twanomba are just bearing kids without a clue on who`s gona raise their offsprings.Ati mudala aka sova.
#33 Christy,I feel for you.Gentlemen dont underestimate the young lady’s request,I can tell from insitence she means well, those of you who are single please dont feel ashamed kindly contact her,she sounds genuine and persistent.Kalembe Kafyuke, and Born Rich baice where are you? Christy if you are very sincere put up your details and Iam sure interested parties will come to your Aid.Dont you have any Zambian girl friend(s)?It will be another good lead if you established a good link through the zambian women folk.Dont feel ignored, people on this blog have different interests.Another way please check on the zambian websites for Zambians living there in USA,they must have a zambian organisation and be part of their assemblies,you never one one day you will strike gold.
Kuku, thank you for your encouragement. I have a Zambian friend and she is the one who told me to try this blog. May God bless you for your kindness.
#41 My brother look at what is happening in Kaliliki or Ndola night clubs, the cause is wallowing poverty,things have just gone from bad to worst after privatisation,some parents who were thrown becuase of this reform some cant get jobs in the meantime kids are growing and their demands are immense,what next, 12 years starts patronising bars and brothels, a person like Veteran with no morals picks up this girl have un protected sex with her in her drunken stupor,this kid becomes preganant later bears a child,the cyclic puzzle has more questions than solutions that is one extreme case but those who do it willingly are few, marjority have been victims of circumstance and that is why a President must always get first hand information himself, engage people, visit people talk to them on a one to one not through stupid people like Mulyata,FTJ tried his best to get to the masses, chuchu suffers from great paranoia.He should have found a better way of putting this
#43 Anytime please, your friend somehow was just being hopeful but your coming out even here will lead to something worthwhile.Just perservere,the bible is very clear in Mat 7:7 ask and your will receive,knock and the door shall open for you…..Try my advice and see how best it can be used,is your friend also Single? I hope its not inonge.com.she is in sort of similar web.All the best Christy
catch you later folks am out now
#45 Skepitical christy gave her Email [email protected]. somehow I wonder how serios she is. There are so many forums where you can meet humble Zambian males not here christy. Move away you are playing with fire. Most of us we are hooked. If you are serious you would have advertise yourself well with a pic, full details of your residential area. What annoys me this last year one USA woman made a bad comment that all Zambians men are AIDs stricken what a shame! Ask Inonge maybe she can help.
Kuku, my friend is married and her name is not Inonge. Thanks again. Have a blessed day.
Munkombwe speaks for Katele, Mabenga
By Noel Sichalwe
Friday August 24, 2007
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Daniel Munkombwe
Party leaders facing corruption charges in courts of law are free to contest the MMD presidency, Southern Province chairman Daniel Munkombwe said yesterday.
In an interview, Munkombwe said the law presumed any accused person innocent until proved guilty. He was commenting on the possibilities of MMD national secretary Katele Kalumba and national chairman Michael Mabenga contesting the party’s presidency.
Kalumba is facing corruption charges in the magistrates’ court with others while the Supreme Court in 2004 found Mabenga guilty of misappropriating about K27 million from the Constituency Development Fund.
However, Munkombwe said the MMD would determine at a later stage as to who should contest for the presidency.
He said what was clear is that the party would not choose mediocre leadership to take over from President Mwanawasa.
Munkombwe said although there could be people going around campaigning for the party presidency, the right time would tell as to which candidate would be best for the MMD presidency.
“The party constitution provides for any person to be elected to any position,†Munkombwe said. “In our justice system, a person is innocent until proven guilty.
Therefore, even those accused of corruption can stand for the party presidency.
If they are not found guilty by the court of law, they are not guilty. But those convicted will not be allowed to contest for the MMD presidency from jail. If they are not convicted, they can stand for elections and then the convention will either receive or reject them.â€
Subject: ARCHBISHOP NCUBE SEX DVDs DISTRIBUTED
CIO operatives on Monday started distributing hundreds of copies of the 8 pornographic DVDs showing raunchy video recordings of the Archbishop Ncube of the Bulawayo Diocese having unprotected sex with more than five different women.
Members of the public have blasted the move as mischievous and criminal saying it exposes a state sponsored smear campaign that has reached desperate levels.
“This is outrageous. How can a whole security agency sink so low? This is a clear invasion of privacy and it’s a big scandal. They are trading pornography and it’s criminal. These fellows are mischievous and should be arrested”, said a Zimbabwe Union of Journalists official in Bulawayo who refused to be named.
A Bulawayo based catholic and sympathizer with the archbishop said who ever is coordinating this “grossly obscene” smear campaign “is desperate, mischievous, unsophisticated, has no morals and has lost his mental balance”.
Sources say the outrageous DVDs are now in the hands of state media editors and some reporters who are dishing out the pornographic DVDs to friends and associates.
Reliable sources also say, for maximum effect, the CIO has mailed copies of the DVDs to their online media hatchet man Mduduzi Mathuthu at New Zimbabwe via DHL.
The smear campaign against the cleric and fierce critic of President Robert Mugabe and his Zanu PF government began last July with a well coordinated state media offensive exposing a scandalous alleged sexual relationship between the clergyman and a married woman.
The DVDs show Archbishop Pius Ncube’s having sex in different positions with various women who range from timid teenage girls to sickly elderly women.
An opposition politician who was offered the one of the DVDs by the CIO says he was shocked by what he saw.
“It is clear from the DVD that it’s him, and it’s shocking. Apparently he is also reckless because he does not use condoms. One of the women looks sickly and they were doing it from a chair”, said the opposition politician from Bulawayo on condition of anonymity.
The DVDs show a horny Archbishop Ncube bonking different naked women and alternating positions from chair, carpet, table, to the bed variously.
In one of the episodes the archbishop has sizzling sex with a timid teenage girl on the bed next to the Holy Bible.
Journalists and politicians who have watched the explicit DVDs so far concur that the person filmed in the act is indeed Archbishop Ncube.
Rosemary Sibanda the cleric’s alleged lover also features prominently in the scandalous videos.
Under Zimbabwean law it is illegal to record, posses or distribute pornographic material but the state security agents who enjoy unparalleled immunity against the law have distributed the videos to journalists and politicians willy-nilly.
The CIO intends to present the DVDs as graphic evidence to opposition politicians, government critics and Ncube’s sympathizers who are still unconvinced the archbishop is a philanderer and a sex maniac.
Observers say the latest offensive against the beleaguered cleric, is a coordinated act by state security operatives who have been tasked by the president’s office to silence the rabid critic of the Zanu PF government.
Onesimus Sibanda, who claims to be married to the cleric’s alleged lover Rosemary, filed an adultery lawsuit against Archbishop Ncube last month, accusing him of sleeping with his wife on several occasions over a period of two years.
The latest developments come hard on the heels of revelations that the state media led by the Bulawayo based Chronicle was now preparing to publish new damaging claims about the archbishop.
Impeccable sources in the state media say the CIO machinery had drawn out a protracted smear campaign that would deal severely with the archbishop in five stages.
The first stage had the adultery lawsuit against the cleric as the major highlight aided by the attendant state media blitz including TV and radio exposing the damaging sex scandal. This has already happened.
The second phase involves the current distribution of explicit video recordings of the archbishop’s sexual escapades to the media and politicians as well as other strategic members of the public.
The third phase would involve a second lawsuit by Rosemary’s so called husband, Onesimus, who will claim the archbishop infected his wife with HIV, which he had now contracted, sources say.
The fourth phase would result in the CIO linking the archbishop with two children in Esigodini using the results of secret DNA comparative tests that the CIO operatives conducted clandestinely using the blood of the archbishop and the two children a year ago.
This, it is hoped will result in the children’s ‘custodial father’ who is thought to be unaware the children are in fact Ncube’s also filing an adultery lawsuit against the cleric.
In the fifth and final phase of the protracted smear campaign the state agents will seek to claim that the archbishop is a homosexual by again distributing DVDs in which the cleric is shown indulging in kinky sex with young boys from his parish in Bulawayo.
Archbishop Ncube who is currently fighting the adultery
#48 Kuku I saw this article the man is a real bootlicker. All in his endavour has been a failure. He failed to run choma Hotel and his farm. This is known. How can he advertise for wrongdoers to seek Party presidency. Shame upon you old man. I think you need rest from politics. This one man who has crossing parties like Mukafwilwa.
#49 AFRICAN POLITICS AT PLAY,GOD HELP US , MWAICE EASY WHAT IS YOUR COMMENT?ONE AFRICA ONE GOVT-TOTAL RUBBISH
#48.KUKU MUKWAI.I always keep saying that 2011 is wide open for a political genius to take advantage and possibly carry the day.Finding LPM`s successor by the MMD will bring so much acrimony and with VJ sick I hardly see them engineering their way out of this quagmire.
Munkombwe z a uselless failed opportunist.This z idiocy @ its best,pipo never grow huh!His nephew VJ ws fired now he is tryn 2 hang on Katele,stupid old man.
#49 Kuku Uko Kalikiliki, What do you expect with catholic meloneys. Please not with my daughter I will fire a bullet on you.
#51 Kuku Mudala, Miles apart we need trade cooperations not unity govts. One Africa govt can not find embracing because its still out of touch. Trade mudala is the key to our problems.
#40 KUKU
Too much babatoni,a meeting with who at Kapiri Glass.
I know that Chilala the farmer had been offered to purchase the factory, but last time I passed through there I found the furnaces and kilns as silent as the time when some ZESCO ***** disconnected power and molten silicone carbide solidified in the kilns.
Tell us of new activities there, I may be living in the past.
Mwaiche Kuku (49),
ulichinangwa sana you can’t even see that N’cube is not alone in those acts? yours covered over 3 years is a sad show to withstand.Its horrendous than the useless IPs you are pleading for from Easy to give you.
Christy we dont want to see your writings anymore go to our Zambian Bwanji.com and try luck.Here is seriuos business,coz at the end of the day we will make a fool out of you.we dont want that to happen
Bushe ba Denis Liwewe epo baba?
Christy
You are welcome to start your search for your Zambian soulmate on this blog.While most of the contributors have wild streaks and macho images which they exhibit, they are real gentlemen in person. Give your emailaddress and I am sure one of our shy young men who put on a facade will be in touch.I admire your courage, persistanc and consistance rewards.
Happy hunting.
Christy! What makes you think a Zambian guy is better than those you live with in USA? Are you looking for a slave? What sort of guy are you looking?
Easy! We headed for doom. Economic growth is non existant. Come home and see. Take a walk into the city and it’s compounds. It’s all dust, dirty, litter and poverty.
#57 Veteran, Iam closing up with you very soon you been in the net. I will observe your movements. FYI Veteran see this Fraud and Protection. Iam working, I hope this are good hints for you. Remember you Traffic statistics have also left dents in the Internet. Do you want me to disclose who you are? In the mean time I will use Global Positioning mechanism. Dont underrate the world I am not looking for you IP but for you in person the IPs I have already what what is the face I will google you.
#61 Gluco, I know this we are coming to frash out all passengers on the Zoin train. The Clean Zambia campaign is already at the archives.
No two ways about it! Parents who baer children but have no capacity to take care of them need to be told off! Only those would get annoyed with the President’s remark. You will agree with me that 75% of the poverty in Zambian households is mainly due to lack of planning on the part of parents. Go in the compounds of Lusaka and see how peopple with little money are baering children they can not even take to school.No school no good jobs for the children and therefore poverty becomes the order. Levy was right to remind them as most pastors use kind words to express this point.
KUKU NA EASY Where do you work? you are always pa blog be fruitful gentlemen.
My email address is [email protected]
The govt talks free education but says PTA should be paid. This is policy inconsistency. Let the kids go to school without any financial hindrance
Mwaice wandi Chapi (52),
This is where your life time failure obtrudes its vanity. The minor dissatisfactions that come with a consensus vote on Greater interest will be nothing for MMD to what you will witness clipping the entire opposition functionaries in waves and depth. I must forewarn you. Certainly, it is your right to engage in such self comfort on pure ignorance when functionaries like your mind are already cancerous without life whatsoever. Be ready for a long haul of irreconcilable encounter way through the victory year. MMD will win with much easy and strategic planning. The best you could do is prepare your mind for acceptancy.
Wanyanya, no one is forcing you to read what I write. Why don’t you just ignore me and let the nice people respond to my request?
#65 Ci JOZI Iam work in Bushmen with bushmen does that satify you. JOZI be modern let machines do your work and relax. Choose a luxirious career and enjoy your time on earth. A few times I was on phone using the bushmen spear calling my young brother in ZED. My this what technology can do. We are fruitful and we are meeting up to take over power in 2011. If you want go in the archives and see the calibre of person you are fooling. Work hard and start enjoying life. Ask LPM where does he sit in his office today is eastern power celebrating Nyanu dance. Ask him when does he work? Then come back to me I will tell you what to do to be Easy and relax in life. meanwhile I busy chancing Veteran using beads to locate him. He has been committing serios offences on this blog of Paste and copy he doesnt know that its copyright and its punishable in court of law.
Christy! Answer my question. What of a man are you looking for anyway? I mean qualities.
#68.Iwe mwaiche Veteran.If for a moment you could take a sip of just an ounce of objectivity then maybe we can debate such a topic.Otherwise to you, MMD is yamuyayaya.Your sick 27 year rule has clouded your fragile brain and unfortunately they`s nothing else you can accomodate.Watch this space as a political genius engineers a major shock in 2011.MMD(already in tumoil) and PF will be at each others throats and NEW GENERATION of politics will rattle your fethers.Remember MAZOKA`s UPND,MMD was busy fighting with FDD and there came Mazoka and had it not been for you DEMAGOGUES rigging that election,he could`ve been the President.So a change,you should start thinking using your brain and not your kidney.
#64 Chanda mwaiche Thank you. Although LPM may have put it in a wrong way may be due to his Chipumputu, But the issue hear is we have more kids in Kanyama than we have in Kabulonga why???. People need to be educated on the need to understand whose responsibility it is to take care of the their kids. and Just plan your lives for crying out loud. Why do we have malonda who makes K150,000.00 with 10 children. We need PPAZ to get involved in helping folks plan their families.
#73 SAGE.Lack of planning,responsiblity and social amenities resulting in more than 10 kids per family mwa Kanyama than Kabulonga.
Fertility(# children per woman) is already falling since early 1990s gentlemen. Its still high in low income households i agree. Average household size is high (about 6) because of high dependency ratio due to high adult mortality. So govt should give scrap off all those PTA and health user fees to address the problems we already have.
Easy (62),
That is your nonsense there I have ignored for long. Exposing me of what? Do you think I carry a criminal tag to care? Or maybe you think I would buy the sissy mentality of unfounded fear you trying to plant on me? Youngman Easy, the Veteran name did not come from without. Humility is a sign of desire to promote confidence on everyone that patronize the free debate threads. Who knows, I could be having far reaching technical skills than you want to fool yourself.
To be a blog administrator does not make you of any unparallel abilities in warfare scenarios. Where confidence is compromised, logic is inhibited and irrelevance clips in. I do not want to initiate that but at your discretion give it a shot and vindicate me within days.
I have a thick skin you lack abilities to curve me in that cheap and desperate kids grove games of yours. Certainly When I have some time to spare for blogging, I freely blog without owing my conscious to anyone. What can i fear from you or anyone? Or what can you do that I can fail a coordinated overwhelming encounter? You seem to be driven by hopeless and clueless peer pressure of narrow thinking and a sense of gambling evidently inspired by self deceit.
Right here we have many who past their articles of interest. But my line of interest is no criminal unless you are equally handicapped on civil and criminal litigations in view of some precedence actions. So Alibaba don’t embarrass yourself. Do some compelling research to avoid parting away with your little savings instead. I don’t need it but the same law could pull your legs on my behalf.
It is wise to make those reckless threats to street kids distant from any practical Veteran.
#75 you are being real, if were to do a postemorten on this blog,99.9% come from great football and netball teams, some are on parities 13 or 14 very can boast of coming from small families,so what can you tell us when you reflect using your families especially Veteran and Pragfimofimo who come from big families?
#65 I dont work but Iam an employer, are you looking for job? Post your cv to [email protected], wilacula no mutima ifwe tuli ba real.For your own information there are very few entrepreneurs of my status who can boast of employing 20 people.
Sage and Chapi.
What you two are talking about is an intricate web of poverty. The rich are well informed because they access to all the information. I had a previllage of interviewing couples in rural areas who had many children. One of the answers was that children are a blessing from GOD.
#78 So thats a strong reason to give FREE public education.
#79 people in the west are encouraging people to have kids imwe with only 11m people are struggling to rule, what will happen when the population doubles?I can just think of the worst.Carnibalism will be the rule of the game.
Mwaice Easy our meetig was great nomba naya pa Golf club we link up tommorrow
Mwaice Chapi(72)
Ranting is free in democracy. Prepare to eat your own words with those curved legs spinning in some hot air of hopelessness. Prepare to swallow your pride and ask for an appointment with me off my frontline position for some vindication .In good faith i will make sure you are kept in view for some safety against your usual suicidal plans over loss of elections.
#57 ulikawelewele akaice kakwa muwelewele,who tells you I have a 3 year horrondeous history?Ulikakopo sana that is why your vision is blurred,your hearing impaired.You have eyes but cannot see, ears but hardly hears bushe finshi ufwaya mu life? Bootliking encito fye waingila and you will die a bootlicker?when your parents sent you to school in Kalingalinga they were very sure ati you will be a power manager ku Supaloaf? But because of dobo you have ended up bootlicking muwelewele.Wise pa Golf club nalaisa inkushitileko whisky since iwe whisky unwa pa pay day chapwa.
#76 Ngugi…how can you wright such a long paragraph with complicated explanations of your thick skin just to answer a one line threat. I Think you should a book “The rise and fall of KK”.
#76 Veteran son Chakomboka, I praised you and you start showering with vomit. Do you real want me to go ahead and make a case against you. I dont want you to go ku Prison your brother just committed suicÃde pa Lusaka high court after conviction. Do you want that to happen to you. I had taken this case closed but there you go fuming like sunflower. Big man dont force me to go deeper once more I have spared you. Stop copy and paste you blog freely here and no one will point a finger to you. I hope you take this be genuine with your veteran, unless you are one of those attendingf Bushs speech yesterday.
81 Ngugi…If you went to the same school with Elias Chipimo are you not supposed to be retired? Men in your age group shouldnt be aspiring for political positions. At your age you should be in a position to speak freely and objectively. What do you mean by “Prepare to swallow your pride and ask for an appointment with me off my frontline position for some vindication .In good faith i will make sure you are kept in view for some safety against your usual suicidal plans over loss of elections”.
Mwaice Easy,
Refer to your reaction to mala-msana wandalama (147) under subject “Sorry for power disruption during SADC summitâ€
You are becoming pigheaded and too intolerant to divergent minds. Unless you become magnanimous, your blog admin role will end a disaster. I know LT better and could consistently know more I could so wish. But that would be against the tenets of free speech the current Democracy many Zambians cherish.
Easy wrote “I would very happy next time you open your mouth that you think with your brains not your ash and contribute to the topic. I wil finish you off here to such an extend that you you not blog again.” Quote Easy # 147
Easy wrote “Think with your brains not your ash. I will finish you off” Quote Easy # 147
I warn you to be careful with the internet you could be opening up your own regrettable failures.
Easy (84),
Get it from me I don’t deserve your cosmetic protection, forgiveness or threats. Publicly I invoke your rights to proceed. Don’t even dare start warning me just do it if you think I’m another kid you vowing to finish as in # 147.
Good lucky i’m out for the day
#86 That boy was has become normal and he is blogging free see his contributions. You are free to blog hear Veteran but once more I give you guardnes with good heart minimise copy and paste. Iam not say what you are doing is bad but it can have consquences. Take it from me its not a freight but advice-geniune advice. Democracy Veteran is all we are striving for but it should be in bounds of the law. Iam very tolarent I want you to contribute here and bring your own ideas which will help you and your family and friends in ZED. Dont get scared continue blogging.
#74 Chapi
Our African social family structure mostly has embracing hands on extended families though recently it seems to be fading. Thus, it’s heartless for someone to forsake and renounce the survived children of deceased family member just coz they were not part of his family plan. Despondently those pipo in so called “ mu ma-yard†don’t want to share responsibilities but would rather shift to other family members living in shanty compound than them adding extra mouth to feed and sponsor for education. Yes, we are all affected or infected with HIV/AIDS pandemic but should not slip off spirit ya buntu to help those in needy. With this in our mind, I therefore found Chuchu to be “mentally unbalance†for insulting pipo instead of him finding ways and means to assist vulnerable pipo of Zed more especially in edu. By the way KK had adopted 2-3 children, has Chuchu done that from Kasisi ophanage?
#89 i stand to correct you on your posting. First of all we are not talking about relatives or extended family. We are talking about biological children.I dont think its morally right to have 10 biological children when you live in a 2 room house. Contraceptives and condoms have been arround for decades so there is no excuse. Secondly i know LPM is taking care of 3 grand kids of his late niece who used to be my school mate in secondary school. but you dont expect him to adopt the whole country. It may not have come out the right way, but he was on the ball and as s society we have to look at the whole family planning issue.
The issue is PTA…why do parents and guardians want to scrap it off? 5/7 families in Zed are keeping orphans. SAGE ngawapula Zed don’t stay mu Hotel, be mobile with wide opened eyes. Ba SAGE, there is family I know that has got 2 sets of triplets and the man is just a casual worker, ala ubufyashi ni Lesa upela.
#90 the issue of education has more to do with fanmily size than fertility. Of course there are people having too many kids, but they are very very few these days. Fertility has clearly been responding to economic hardships and other social changes, includ family plann. Here are the data of fertility rates (total # children ever born per woman):
1980 census: 7.2
1990 census: 6.7
1992 Demographic& Health Survey(DHS): 6.5
1996 DHS: 6.1
2000 census: 6.0
2002 DHS 5.9
We’re a high mortality country so fertility will continue to be above 3 partly because people have to replace children.
Careless Utterance what you got to say about this:
The “SIGNS” of The “END” Times
CLIMATE CHANGE – HELPS CAUSE ARMAGEDDON
El NIÑO is one of – The “SIGNS” of The “END” Times, as was CHERNOBYL. All of the “Signs” were Prophesied THOUSANDS of Planet Earth years in advance by The Ruler of The Universe, Who, as you should see, if you read on, is NEVER wrong. The Signs were written for men to be able to recognise the END Time and to warn mankind to STOP (woe! woe! woe! – Revelation 8:13) and turn around BEFORE it is TOO late
The Ruler of The Universe said:-
2 Esdras 5:1 Nevertheless as concerning the Tokens (Signs), behold, the days shall come, in which the majority of them that dwell upon Earth shall be taken-in (deceived – Rev. 12:9), and The Way of Truth (The Covenant – His Laws in The Torah) shall be hidden (by governments; politicians and priests), and the land shall be barren of Faith (Luke 18:8).
ctd.. :2 But iniquity [and inequality] shall be increased above that which thou (Esdras) now seest, or that thou hast heard long ago
5:3 And the LAND, that thou seest now to have root, shalt thou see WASTED suddenly (DESERTIFICATION caused by deforestation and/or DROUGHT through CLIMATE CHANGE and WASTED by pollution from nitrates; heavy-metals; toxins; agent-orange; radiation; anti-personnel LAND-MINES; forest-fires and the general effects of global warming and warfare; etc.; etc.).
5:4 But if The Most High grant thee to live, thou shalt see after (1986) the Third Trumpet (Revelation/Apocalypse 8:10-11 – CHERNOBYL means Wormwood in Ukrainian ) that the Sun (of Righteousness – see Malachi 4:2 ) shall suddenly shine (enlighten people) again in the “night” (darkness – the “Dark Times” – evil. Please see my “Starwars – Fact NOT Fiction” Booklet), and the moon thrice in the day: :5 And blood (life) shall drop out of wood (DEFORESTATION), and The Stone (Messiah/CHRIST/Mahdi – Matthew 21:4
shall give his voice, and the peoples shall be troubled (please see my “The Four Horsemen of The Apocalypse and The Two Witnesses” Booklet); and the air-goings (WIND-PATTERNS) shall be CHANGED [due to the deforestation] (EL NIÑO; TRADEWINDS; etc. – appropriately El Niño means the CHRIST-child, in spanish):
5:6 And even he shall rule, [Christ] whom they look not for that dwell upon the Earth (please see my “On The Way to Emmaus Again” Booklet), and the fowls shall take their flight away together::7 And the Sodomitish sea [of people] shall cast out fish (people who have died with AIDS – Romans 1:27 – just as the sea casts out dead fish), and make a noise in the night, which many have not known: but they shall all hear the voice thereof. (Luke 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.)
5:8 There shall be a confusion also in many places, and
LPM has no right to comment on conjugal responsibilities of any citizen. Sex is a private matter and no one should prescribe limits to reproduction.
#91 Ubufyashi ni lesa apela but lesa also gives brains. So dont blame it on God or fertility. Your are supposed to manage your fertility. Ba Jose, i have family in Z i also support more than 10 people in Z ranging from 2 years to 67. So i know what is prevailing in Z. I’m not a hotel person, i would rather go and live with my cousin Chawama than stay at inters. I miss Z caponya noise, before i came to USA i lived in RSA for five years. when i went to visit i stayed ith my brother in Garden compound. I’m real my brother. But i do not support a guard having 10 kids. Go get a vasectomy.
#96 LPM is right , and never did he talk about conjugal rights. you can have sex all you want but be responsible. I think we need to get out of the shell of opposing everything LPM does or says. When he makes sense support him. When he booboos oppose.
Sage you are obviously right in the following sense. Levy should encourage parents and aspiring parents to be responsible about child care and their own fertility. Thats a sensible thing to say and i agree with it.
But he is wrong to say if you cant afford PTA dont have children, or your kids wont go to school. Mulongoti (i laughed when soemone told me yersterday what his name means) adds that parents in poor sections of our society should sacrifice for primary education. Thats my only point of disagreement.
#97 SAGE mwana you are surprising now over this issue. in USA live 300 Million people Is it not the same sex behaviour you condeming the cause of this snap shot from to millions. My families are poor in USA. Not every child is in school as you think. If we compare countries you might even findout that Zambia is much better.
#98 Francis let us not divert from the real causes of poverty in life.The president misfired on this that is why I posted the above to remind people what our bible say about the world and its ends. I suppose if possibilties are there to make ends meet I dont see anyone discouraging having children. Remember we cntinue living in our children. Our genes are transformed in them. I wonder if our parents were think like that dont think most of us would have seen the Internet resolutions. This is egoism. Life is in stages and they must not be denied to anyone. you are born, become a child, juvuline, youth, adult and old person. In short we should say no sex because that is the product-Having children.
#100 its no diversion, manageable family is good for a nation. But thats not a big issue at all in Zambia right now. We already have declining fertility as i said. The problem is poor service coverage in education, health and infrastructure. So villagers who used to send all 10 children to school now cant send 5. So its a lie to argue that kids are not in school because of high fertility. Surest way to entrench poverty is to deny people an education.
#100 A good leader should have used this difficult issue as a challenge rather than reacting on impulse cos he was reacting to what Findlay fed him on.A normal sensible leader would have thrown the challenge to his ministers of health and education to find a solution than talking about people’s reproductive urges.Its an abomination. Levy should be cited for blasphemy if anything.Next time Easy this man will start telling you stop breathing and conserve all the Oxygen for fire men.He is a damn freak control
#98 Francis , in my first comment i mentioned that LPM didnt put it the right way.However, the concept of family planning should be encouraged.
#99 EASY my friend in the US less than 1% have more than 2 kids what are you talking about. Also dont forget that is USA people can afford to take care of their families. For those that cant their is both federal and state social support (food stamps). There is WIC for pregnant women where they can get food and milk until the kid is 5. In Z we dont have anything. So dont compare USA to Z.
#103 What is your point? You seem not to see sense,are you kids going to state schools or independent(public)fee schools? How is it in the USA? Education must be footed by govt period no matter how you argue its a responsibility of govt to spread literacy to all irrespective of one’s social status.
Mwaice SAGE that is the UN convention about children to which Zambia is a signatory: Read and meditate over it, Naya mukulala whisky yacita kwati yankola
The UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (1989)
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Source: The UN Convention on the Rights of the Child may be obtained from:
Unicef
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London WCZA 3NB
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See also Children and their Rights on Unicef’s web site
177 countries world-wide have ratified the Convention; the UK ratified it in 1991, committing the UK to full implementation.
Article 2
states that all rights shall apply to all children without discrimination on any ground and specifically mentions disability.
Article 3
states that in all actions the child’s best interests ‘shall be a primary consideration.’
Article 6
states that every child has the inherent right to life, and each country should ensure the child’s survival and development to the maximum extent possible.
Article 12
states the right of the child to express an opinion and to have that opinion taken into account, in any matter or procedure affecting the child.
Article 23
states the right of disabled children to enjoy a full and decent life, in conditions which ensure dignity, promote self-reliance, and facilitate the child’s active participation in the community. It also states the right of the disabled child to special care, education, health care, training, rehabilitation, employment preparation and recreation opportunities; all these shall be designed in a manner conducive to the child achieving ‘the fullest possible social integration and individual development, including his or her cultural and spiritual development.’
Article 28
states the child’s right to education, and says it shall be on the basis of equal opportunity.
Article 29
states that a child’s education should be directed at developing the child’s personality and talents, and mental and physical abilities to their ‘fullest potential’. It also states that education shall prepare the child for an active and responsible life as an adult, fostering respect for basic human rights and developing respect for the child’s own cultural and national values and those of others.
So what then was Levy Patrick’s point? I cant seem to get this. If the suggestion is that a reduced population costs less to educate thats just totally false arithmetic, which deceptively appears true under a flawed economic reward system we have endured under the MMD.
But its clear to me that he was saying the MMD wont give free education. What they claim to be free isnt free. Good luck with the MGDs
#106 He no point hence the regrets afterwards, the man has no shame, look at article 29 in #105.Ka Veteran naulala, ama boots wacilachita lick nayalamba wake up and licking until you become a Zombie
True #107. An education or health system that is based on public tax financing and delivered to the population for FREE costs us LESSS money and delivers better quality education than a privatized system. These facts are there and many of us, includ LPM, are products of this system in Zambia. We cant even look elsewhere for any evidence. But somehow some people refuse to see the evidence.
Kuku … You are missing the point here. LPM was right bringing up the family planing issue. But he mis represented the facts. Secondly ,Its not the governments job to feed your kids. In the US they have social support because the government can afford it. UN can sign documents if there is no money in a country UN does not come and police the countries to make sure they are providing for their KIDS. Every citizen should be responsible enough to plan their families and make sure they can afford them. If you cant afford to raise your children you have no business having them.
#106 This is not a political issue but a moral one. Our parents lived in a different time. thats why you find the smallest family was 6 kids. Not no more. We are busy raising the last 2 or 3 brothers because our parents didnt plan for that. Right now you support your parents ,your brothers, sisters ,Nephews ….When are you going to sit and invest in your kids and the future. this trend MUST STOP.
Sage the fertility rates have already declined and declining. You describe very well a typical Zambian situation. But Sage the very reason why you and I and many others will continue to pay the price is that LPM continues to keep kids out of school. If govt provided education you and I wont have to take care of many of them. Its NOT because we have one or two reckless parents hanging out there. Its because even those with 3-4 kids cant send them to school. How could possibly this be construed as a fertility problem?
Mama SAGE you are missing the point here as much as its a point of for parents to take responsibility of the their children it also for the requirement of government provide services such as a education. SAGE what you have put above simply that Zambia will not attain the MDGs set for 2015. This PTA money is not enough a fraction of what a school spends to educate a pupil. Some PTA have used that money as initiative to built teachers houses or any other shortcomings. Its acted as an imergency fund. SAGE govt in Zambia provided just last week for floods stricken families why cant it do the same for the children. You are shocking me. Dont be so attacked to the USA system you will be lost. we are still a striving nation much should be done to improve condition of health.
I meant education also.
Francis — I understand that GRZ has to realise that there is no other way for a country to emancipate itself from the shackles of poverty except through education. At the same time the responsibility lies sqarely on individuals to evaluate their financial capacitities in relation to family planing. Both issues have to be dealt with relentlesly.If i die today 20 people will starve, that is excluding my Son. Now that is very dangerous. As a person coming from a family of 11, i have to stop the trend. I have one kid and that is it.
EASY separate politics from this issue. This not a political issue. Its comon sense why should a guard earning K150,000.00 have 10 children? do see any sense whatsoever in that. Take off you political glasses and just reason objectively for once. We know the government has to invest in education ,health and the list goes on. But that does not change the fact that people should plan their families.
Here is why i was upset about LPM statement and especially that it was defended by govt chief spokesman.
We know where Illiteracy, higher fertility and ppoverty occurs. So he was talking to the very poor in society whom the MMD has cut off from our national reward system to start paying their way to being educated-when he got his ed for free. None of the nonpoor is affected by that statement coz once yoyu get educated you have fewer kids and more income.
This is not a chicken-egg situation. At the public level, fertility is a consequence, not a cause, of better education. We know that if infact the girls dont go to school you might as well forget about lowering fertility and growing the economy. It takes education to use a condom or undergo a vasectomy. So the beginning is free education to all those who are alive now and the benefits of lower fertility come automatically. No one preached to you about low fertility but how come you and many of us have decided on few kids?
#113/114 SAGE I understand you very well if yo check above I already mentioned which children are talking about those who are already born and need education or those yet to be born. SAGE you know it yourself the example you have give is a true picture of a Zambian family because the opporotunity of getting education is reserved for few individuals. Its starts with the number of high schools we have and then only two univeristy period. What is the solution of that security gaurd with 10 children because there are already there. Iam trying to be political but this is a reality. Family planing is there in Zambia and people are being educated everyday most have few kids now the trend is going down pipo dont marry than one wife one contributing factor of having more kids. Children are gift from God What are you going to tell me about those who need at least one but they cant conceive. This is nature SAGE if we far changing things God created that way a heavy punishment is coming on us.
State enters nolle prosequi in Regina Chiluba’s case
Aug. 24 (UPI) — Ndola, August 24, ZANIS -The Ndola Magistrate Court has discharged the case involving former second Republican President Dr Fredrick Chiluba’s wife Regina with costs. Principal Resident Magistrate, Chilombo Phiri, made the ruling after the state entered a Nolle Prosequi in the case which came up for judgment today. This is a case in which Mrs. Chiluba was charged with nine counts of being found in possession of property alleged to have been wrongfully acquired. Senior Prosecutions Officer, Dennis Simwinga, told the court that the Director of Public Prosecution, DPP, instructed that the state enters a nolle prosequi in the matter. And defence lawyer, Robert Simenza opposed the application on grounds that it was not competent for the DPP to enter into a nolle prosequi after the state had closed its case and the ruling was about to be delivered. Mr Simeza argued that it was malicious for the state to discontinue the
the case just when the ruling was about to be delivered. “It is not competent for the DPP to enter into a nolle prosequi at this late hour when they have closed their case, this case has been open for over a year, where were they?” he questioned. Mr Simeza further said the decision by the state was a clear case of abuse of the judicial system and malicious prosecution hence called on the court not to allow such type of abuse of power by the state. And Senior Prosecutions Officer Dennis Simwinga reminded the court that the state was by law not compelled to give reasons for entering a nolle prosequi. And in her ruling Ms Chilombo said that the court had no power over a nolle proseque. The defence lawyer then made an application to the court for the restoration of property seized from the accused person which had been used as exhibits in court in accordance with section 179 of the criminal procedure code. He said the property in question included motor vehicles, frozen bank accounts, and
other asserts. He further made an application for an order that the accused be awarded costs for the charges leveled against her. The state, however, argued that the case had only been charged and that the accused not acquitted hence the state prosecution could continue with the case at an appropriate time. The court however, ruled that the seized property be restored to Mrs. Chiluba and that costs be awarded. She said the court had discharged the accused on all on all And speaking outside the magistrates court amid a lot of supporters who were singing Christian songs, in celebration to the victory, Mrs Chiluba told ZANIS that the will of God had prevailed and that she was grateful to her husband and all the people that had shown her support throughout the ordeal. She called on the state to follow the courts order and return her property. ‘Am grateful to my husband and all the people that have given me support. The state should obey the courts order and give me my property, she said.
Mrs Chiluba was accused of being in possession of property believed to have been acquired wrongly
Corruption is still prevailing.
Easy! So we are not going to get our $500m the thieves stole. What is going on? These guys in ACC, should just pack and go. They have no reason for existance. What have they achieved?
#122 Gluco this is very sad and justice will never be done like that. ACC in the Post say they will rearrest Mrs Mwanza for the same offences because the evidence is overhelming. Another waste of tax payers money. Remember what the president said in L-Town at ZAF pass out. Zambian dont take this peace for granted. The police should do something. Why should the DPP decide to close the case in the last minute. You know the judge will only make a ruling according to evidences given.
#122 GLUCO a word of comfort and hope come 2011. As businessman-turned-politician Hakainde Hichilema (HH) has correctly opined, what Zambia needs right now is an economic “revolution”. We started it under President Chiluba, and then he messed things up by introducing a corrupt culture that has since shaken the very foundations of the economy. Mwanawasa’s job is the economy, therefore, has simply been to undo this mess, starting with restoring the honour of the highest office. I think that Mwanawasa has failed to root corruption out of government and I believe he will fail in this task even by the time he leaves office. What he should realize and accept is that his role in this “fight” is simply to establish a new foundation, a new culture, a new standard, through his message of respect for other people’s property, respect for human rights. This is a harder task than the actual job of “stamping out” corruption.It is harder to change the mindsets of peoplethan itis to catch the thieves
So the state has now entered a Nolle prosecui in Regina’s nine cases, court awards accused costs plus return of assets – the prosecution can’t make up it’s mind, tries to resist the awards to the accused with out any basis – REALLY WHAT SORTS OF MONKEYS are running the DPP’s & AG’s offices?? The waste our money & time on wild goose chases – all for what?? A vendetta using state coffers??? Do they think as taxpayers we *****s to continue to their baseless accusations – they draw large salaries, all for what??
Is their next step to look for a foreign judge to come & adjudicate these & all the other cases that they fail to prosecute in our courts??
STUPIDITY SUCH AS THIS IS WHAT JUSTIFIES THE ENACTMENT OF THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION BILL, we need to know the real reason DPP decided to prosecute in the first place, secondly, why he decided to curtail the prosecution. If it ‘s all down to shear incompetence, he will be very open to a CIVIL PROSECUTION instituted by any citizen.
#125 that is what it means when you use emotions to counter problems.Lawyer ma Lawyer needs to start self cleansing and try other religions other than christianity .That baptism he received was a shear waste of God’s resources.Vengeance and hate are not enshrined in the so called democracy not even the bible but I know it is condoned in some religion.The tax payers money they have spent on Nchito must be claimed back.When I take over power all govt wings will need to be retrained adequately and we need to form a Curriculum Authority to design courses relevant to 21st century and upwards not the current irrevant subjects being taught in govt universtities and colleges.Dominion case was deffered by the so called bunch of lawyers, now its Regina’s case with costs,selctive pursuits and its down fall will shame and haunt chuchu even in his grave
Its a vicious circle, if you’re denied education, its likely you wont get a job, then you’ll have nothing to do, definately you’ll be bored the only entertainment will be having sex with your wife/girlfriend, with no energy to go and get free condoms at the hospital, you’ll end up with ten kids. The cicle starts again, infact ten circles(ten kids) this time.
Lucky Dube sang once I asked the policeman, they wont build any schools anymore and there wona built prison prison.
LEVY IS RIGHT
I wish to comment on the statement by President Mwanawasa that it’s wrong for people to bear children they cannot afford to support.
Although as usual the sentiment came from the wrong person – the father of the nation, it actually makes a lot of sense.
I say this because of certain beliefs and practices by some sections of society concerning bearing children. I believe the President said this in good faith and was not trying to place the responsibility to bring up children solely on the family. I believe that the President was refering not only to school fees but children’s welfare in general.
The reality on the ground in Zambia today is that many people plan their families unwisely around their desire for sex.
Why should a man on the streets without enough money to feed even himself, produce children he is not able to adequately provide for? Although the government has a hand in bringing up the children of the nation, it’s not up to the government to plan families. Parents must work tirelessly to ensure that the welfare of their children is maximised.
We cannot deny the fact that there is need to plan our families. This is why so much is said about child spacing or family planning. The reason is that we want families to have the number of children they can afford to look after, and this includes sending children to school.
However, the sentiment would have been better received had it come from a social scientist, say, a demographer or an economist
In a Zambian context, a child is a an asset. He/she becomes a social security/Health insurance, when one becomes old. Unless this notion is changed by the society/governement through some social security that supports the elderly such that thier lives are sustained.
This was your post.
Blogger 1 Shaka Zulu called Sata a mad dog and not not me.
Go back and reread the article and our contributions.
With you Bauze, I hold my peace and rest my case.
bauze says:
#2 Citizen,â€Calling someone a dog & being mad†is hardly any display of intellect, nor is there any rationality about it – So your argument that PF MP’s lack the above, whilst the others do, sounds very hollow to me – so if that is the level of your intellect & rationality, then may God help us!!
The same goes for #1, who shamelessly calls himself shaka, when he is such an opposite pole to the legend. Sane people, no matter how offended, do not resort to hurling insults, the challenge is to put your side of the argument across such as to shame your opponents argument – only those with shallow ideas, & lack of mental dexterity resort to insults when mentally challenged, as displayed above!!
August 22, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
Bauze
To assist your memomory these were our contributions.
Honesty is a basic virtue!!!
Shaka Zulu says:
So its true, icishinka cila fulwisha kumutima eeeh. How much brains does one need to figure out that Micheal Sata is a mad dog? If that man is a sane dog, then then it explains why even clearly senile people like Kayope and Chakomboka are considered leaders in some parts of this country.
August 22, 2007 @ 9:01 am
Citizen says:
It is no surprise that Mwenya Musenge could behave like that. Most PF MP are rogues who have no intellect of ability to debate issues rationally.
Like their boss they believe in using brutality and intimidation to get their points across.
shame!!!
August 22, 2007 @ 11:29 am
(132),
Evidence is all here looking at Kuku, SAGE and Joze.You will not trace hope than empty rhetoric surviving on some tribal instincts and fantasy.
KUKU, Jose, and Sage just try to pump some info into the topics. They bring there information forward and say what they think on certain issues. Some of you waste time attacking their points instead of bringing your points on issues forward. In the end, they win the debates.
DR CHITUWO’S PERSONAL VIEWS ON MWANAWASA’S SCHOOL FEES COMMENT
I AM compelled by my conscience and duty to comment on the Post Newspaper headline of Wednesday August 22, 2007.“If You Can’t Afford School Fees, Don’t Bear Children – Levyâ€
I read the lead article over and over in order for me to understand whether what His Excellency the President stated was in line with the interpretation.
And on Page four, the President is quoted as saying, “My provincial chairman, you have talked about the fees that are being charged by the schools. I would like it if I could get more details on this: which schools are charging school fees and we know schools have been allowed to charge PTA charges and in this case you know what that is used forâ€. President Mwanawasa said.
It goes on further to state “The fees in essence the money does not come from Government. I ask you that any parent who has a school child should be in a position to pay a little which is called PTA.“I want to encourage you to plead guilty to poverty because if you are so poor that you cannot afford to bring up children and put them in school, then don’t have children because the next thing you will be saying is that we cannot buy clothes for these childrenâ€.
The Government through the ministry of Health and in collaboration with the cooperating partners, UN agencies through a consultative process came up with the 5th National Development Plan. Childbirth is a product of planned sexual activity. Couples therefore who are aware of the natural consequences of sexual intercourse should plan for the outcome of such activities.
In our communities, through tradition, communities planned their families by observing certain traditions for example; the breast-feeding mother was encouraged to breastfeed for at least two years. The husband was encouraged to take a hunting expedition for sometime. Now clearly the issue of hunting expedition is inappropriate in this era, but even science recognises the need for the mother to breastfeed for at least two years. This will allow the mother to regain her strength following the trauma of labour and its attendant risk.
The spacing of pregnancies has beneficial effect also on the other existing siblings, as they are able to have the emotional and psychological support from the mother and the father.
From the economic point of view, the couple is able to plan for the upbringing of the children in terms of schools and general support.Zambia like many developing countries have realised that the birth rate that exceeds the economic growth is a recipe for perpetuation of poverty. Therefore in order to balance between birth rate and economic growth, the ministry of Health has put in place free reproductive health services whose objective are:
To assist couples with relevant information on reproductive health services, which include information on contraceptive, be it oral or injectable, other family planning services and the services available include, antenatal, post natal and free health education on nutrition and immunisation of the new born child.
Having realised the high poverty levels, the Government of the Republic of Zambia under the able leadership of President Levy P Mwanawasa. SC, has instituted the abolition of user fees in 54 of our districts in rural areas, provided free ARVs knowing the high prevalence rate of HIV and AIDS in our country, provided for an increased sponsorship to train more health workers and gone further to institute a rural retention scheme, to improve on infrastructure and equipment in our health facilities etc.
Anybody who cares to analyse the President’s statement surely will appreciate the reminder from His Excellency the President as the father of the nation of the need for each individual family to plan not only for their lives but also for the lives of their unborn children.
The issues of extended families, a good social security has received serious strains in recent years. This extended family system can therefore not be relied upon to provide the necessary support for the many unplanned children. What then is wrong with the President advising the nation to utilise the services in place to assist citizens to plan their families? Can surely such advice be considered as arrogance? It is my considered view that it is not and should not be considered in that manner.
The problem that I see in our country is that we as citizens seem not to appreciate a person who speaks the truth and yet we all know that the truth builds us all.
From the health perspective I would like to advice couples to plan for their families, to plan for the spacing of their children, so that economically and health wise they are able to offer the best for their children.
THE AUTHOR IS MINISTER OF HEALTH, BRIGADIER-GENERAL, BRIAN CHITUWO (RTD), MP.
#135 Chituwo and Veteran jump in the lake and drown yourselves to death.Its always normal for a dog to wag its tail whenever its master brought food to the Kennel.Chituwo with due respect you are mandated to bring awareness about family planning and the rest,we need statitics to show what achievements have come out of this exercise ever since MMD came to power.You have wasted so much time reading an article that is irrelevant instead of persecuting Dr Miti on his extravagance and gross financial mismanagement.Shame on you Chituwo,ciwamila galu kuluma …..
#132 Citizen, you are right, those were contributions, so I made a mistake to have poorly recollected that they were contributions following the article – nevertheless, you supported these – in short, doesn’t change my responses to your postings – but hey, am bored with this little spat, I’ll focus my energies to better things! Adios!
Emergency threat in Sierra Leone
Sierra Leone President Ahmad Tejan Kabbah has threatened to impose a state of emergency if election violence between rival parties does not stop.
Two days of clashes have marred campaigning for the second round of Sierra Leone’s presidential elections.
In a TV address, Mr Kabbah said the country – which endured a brutal civil war – had suffered too much to allow chaos and civil unrest again.
He urged the two rival candidates to call for calm among their supporters.
“All those responsible for the violence and lawlessness should be prepared for the consequences,” President Kabbah warned.
“The government shall not hesitate for one moment to declare a state of public emergency if the current state of intimidation, molestation and violent acts is not stopped immediately.”
Tension grows
Police have stepped up their patrols around the capital, Freetown, after firing tear gas to disperse rival supporters who clashed in the streets on Sunday and Monday.
They also fired tear gas in the diamond-rich eastern town of Kono when hundreds of rival supporters clashed. Several people were injured.
Police Inspector General Brima Acha Kamara says all is now very calm.
BBC West Africa correspondent Will Ross says that should a state of emergency be declared it is possible that the presidential run-off election could be postponed or all campaigning banned.
He adds that with both political parties blaming each other for inciting violence in what is a very close contest there is a danger of the violence escalating.
The first round of landmark elections on 11 August was judged free and fair by observers.
The opposition APC candidate, Ernest Bai Koroma, took 44% of the vote in the first round, and the ruling SLPP candidate and Vice-President Solomon Berewa, polled 38%.
But tensions are high ahead of the 8 September second round, with opposition supporters confident of winning.
The APC won control of the national parliament and Mr Koroma has also secured the key support backing of the third placed candidate in the first round presidential poll, Charles Margai, who polled 14%.
Our reporter says suspicions of foul play are inevitable given the closeness of the elections and those who believe the APC candidate is a shoe in for the presidency are suspicious that the governing party would not be willing to give up power.
President Kabbah’s speech and threat to declare a state of emergency has increased some people’s suspicion, he adds.
Moi throws weight behind Kibaki
Former Kenyan President Daniel arap Moi has backed his successor Mwai Kibaki’s bid for a second presidential term in elections later this year.
The former leader said he had been observing the country’s politics and was convinced that President Kibaki was the best candidate to unite Kenya.
Mr Moi stood down after 2001 elections, in which his Kanu party was defeated by a coalition led by Mr Kibaki.
The endorsement is a major boost for the incumbent’s re-election bid.
The former leader, who ruled Kenya for 24 years, still wields great political influence.
Mr Moi said he was disappointed that “tribalism and selfish individual interests have been entrenched in our society”.
“After very careful assessment, informed by my political experience spanning half a century, I am convinced that Mwai Kibaki ought to be given the chance to complete the constitutionally accepted two-term tenure,” Mr Moi said during a news conference.
Unity hope
“You have seen President Kibaki’s development agenda that he has shown. He is not tribalist, he is development-minded and he is for the unity of the people of this country,” he said, adding that he would be campaigning for President Kibaki in the run up to the December elections.
Mr Moi also lashed out at the opposition Orange Democratic Movement (ODM), saying it was a divisive party.
“Above all, all of them are driven by hate. I don’t want Kenya to end in chaos,” said the self-styled professor of politics.
Politicians allied to the ODM accused the former president of trying to scuttle the opposition movement.
In July, Mr Kibaki appointed Mr Moi as a special peace envoy to Sudan to help facilitate a peace deal in southern Sudan where Kenya has strong economic interests.
Political analysts have seen the thawing of relations between Mr Moi and the incumbent president in recent months as a sign that they may have been planning a loose coalition.
Kenya has enjoyed growing economic strength under President Kibaki, but this has been marred by endemic corruption which has continued to thrive despite the government’s pledges to end it.
Kuku says:
Fellow bloggers with due respect,this impositor posting blogs viz #62,65,68,72,75,77 is one of those empty cymbals trying to turnish my well intellect intended debates.
#73 SAGE my brother with all your IT expertise can you try to find out who this lay back rabid dog is? Why cant you learn to pick your own ID’s and post your unplatables as much as you wish?IT COST YOU NOTHING . This blog is not for kids,Lunatics,learning disabled persons etc if by chance you are a Kid or a person living in porximity to chainama Hospital just hand yourself in.
LASTLY MY LEARNED BLOGGERS-SAGE,BAUZE,KC,CK,CHAPI,MALA,BA JOZE,PRAGFIMOFIMO,VETERAN, ITS THE LAST YOU ARE SEEING ME POST ANYTHING ON THIS UNCONTROLLED BLOG ANYONE WHO WILL APPEAR USING MY ID’S PLEASE IGNORE SUCH EMBICILE HE DESERVES MORE SYMPATHY THAN ANGER,AND TO YOU WHOEVER IT IS ,MY HUMBLE APPEAL JUST SHOW YOUR IDIOCY TO THE MASSES AND NOT SABOTAGING CREDIBLE BLOGGERS LIKE MYSELF.I COMMAND RESPECT AND AS SUCH RESPECT PEOPLE OF ALL RACES
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