Commotion today reigned at Chipata Main Seventh Day Adventist Church (SDA) when some members were physically thrown out of the church by some self proclaimed church leadership.

The two opposing sides were accusing each other of not operating in line with the doctrines of the church.

Confusion started when one group which was allegedly recently elected into the leadership of the church accused the out-going office bearers of refusing to step down following the elections.

The faction which claims to have been legally elected by the church threw out some of the out-going office bearers whom they accused of opposing the newly elected office bearers.

Speaking to Zambia News and Information Services crew that rushed to the scene, Communications Secretary Asafu Lungu said some members were thrown out of the church because of being arrogant in following the church constitution.

Mr. Lungu said problems started last year when an opposing faction was formed which conducted church services contrary to the churches doctrine.

He said problems arose because the opposing faction did not recognize the current leadership which was duly elected by the church members.

Mr. Lungu said elected faction manhandled the other group for their arrogance and lack of recognition of dully elected leadership.

He charged that the move was intended to bring sanity to the congregation.

But Stewardship Leader Jim Phiri expressed sadness at what happenings at the church.

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  1. what doctrine? swindling poor people’s money !!! if the churches could give half of the money they get from poor people to the poor….we wouldn’t have that many homeless in zed!!! driving big cars and living in bigger houses in the name of God! sick shit!! yes ..thats what it is!

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  2. Yet another “Fist of Fury”. Though these developments are disappointing, it’s good to end the day with a laugh such as this.

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  3. All in the name of the Lord!! The only doctrine is stealing and adultery in these churches.

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  4. This brings to mind the story in the Bible when Jesus threw out some ‘church’ leaders from His Father’s temple for violating it. Those people in Chipata have lost sight of why they are in the church. It’s time to re-examine their faith and doctrines.

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  5. Prophecy of the ministers of satan parading themselves as people of righteousness has been fulfilled. It’s funny how people don’t even know that the word ‘CHURCh’ was never in the scriptures originially and was added to replace qahal/Ekklesia in the deceitful guise of calling it a translation. As far as i know the church is babylon the great which was talked about to try to take the place of the most high. Anybody that still follows the church is simply blind and being led by the blind. Stop following the laws of men because they make the laws of YHWH vain. Muza lila pa judgement day

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  6. It’s sad that even places where one expects to find sanity and hope have been turned into boxing rings and dens of corruption. I say throw all these fighting clowns out of the curch for desecrating God’s house.

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  7. #5 Nice reminder of the Holy Scripures.

    #7 you sound like WTF in bwanjiDOTcom. Just my linking anyway and please never mind.

    Anyway, it is humbling to read of such news. While it is not a surprise, brethren let us move together as one. This is time to really ask the good Lord God to help us worship him in truth and in spirit as the holy scriptures record.

    This issue of groups doing what they feel is right and forsaking the doctrines has fatal consequencies. The early we recognise that we have to follow God’s laws and examples throught the sinless life of Jesus Christ our Lord, the better the future will be for us. be blessed yoou all.

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  8. It’s now showing out the fruits of the demons in those outgoing
    and the newly elected members .So Chipata fellow brothers and
    Sisters open your (EYES)
    Call for new election

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  9. #10 how can you worship the creator in truth when they are doing exactly what he hates? Did the cretaor in acts 7;48 say he does not live in houses built by men, but loook how much these church people are extorting the poor to build 1 billion kwacha each mansions to apparently worship in. The kingdom of YHWH is inside you and yet nowadays you have committees specialized in defrauding while capitalizing on ignorance of the masses.

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  10. And when i go drinking and enjoy my beer and women some fool is preaching to me to go to church and repent ‘your sins’. My God, who is acting drunk and stipid now? Thou shalt not fight over ill-begotten money so that you can go and screw other peoples wives and defile children! Repent, Resign and give the churchfolk back their money!

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  11. What happened to christain love? hmm… trying to be holier than thou? politics is every where..even in church…!

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  12. O Lala, let those people thank God, through Christ Jesus and the with the enablement of the God the Holy Spirit that satan be completely revealed. If you read the letters in the book of Revelation chpter 2, you hear that in their synagogue they have allowed lucifer’s seat in their place of worship. So, it high time lucifer’s seat is broken into pieces and thrown out of the place of worship.

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  13. It´s all about church and state…..these two machinary has led alot into distruction.Are you still still going to be saying he is comming soon till now?

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  14. how is he gonna come back when his bones(remains) have been unearthed in isreal???…..DNA proved! but irrational christians like most in zed will sipmly brush this fact off??
    #16 alot of peeps eagerly awaits the “joyous return”!!! ahahahhahahahhaha …..

    the lost tomb of jesus of nazzareth!

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  15. it’s all to do with vanity and greed! whoever is at the helm, controls the ‘bucks’…these churches don’t pay tax and hence have a steady healthy cashflow milked 4rm poor people! They don’t release their financial records so I doubt if the money is used to benefit the needy in society. Surely, are these the role models we need for our kids? reminds me of one shady Dan Pule praising God for his mercedes, bought using poor people’s “tithe’s”…

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  16. # 12 and 19. The SDA church is divided into sections which manage the whole church throughout the world. The news clearly indicates that the fight was about the doctrines not money.

    On money issues, evryone who is a member (baptised person by immersion in water) of a local church, say Chipata Main SDA Church, gets to know all activities/programmes taking place in the church and discusses all matters of the church in what is known as a church “business meeting”. In the said business meeting especially at the year-end, everyone who attends is given a financial report from the Treasury Department and is allowed to question and comment on the moneys that are reflected therein.

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  17. # 21 continued. Salaries for pastors, never elders or deacons and any other church offices who are not paid for their sevrice in the SDA churches, all come from the conferences offices.

    The SDA CHurch is divided into about 13 DIVISIONS in the whole world like Southern African Indian Ocean Division. Each division is divided into union conferences eg Zambia Union Conference. The Union Conferences is further split into small conferences like Central Zambia Field based in kabwe. The Fields are divided into districts which are normally comprised of many local churches like Chipata SDA Main Church. Some single churches like the University SDA (local) church in Lusaka are districts by themselves

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  18. The presence of the Lord was not present in his place of worship.What a disgrace they had to resort to physical violence.This a time for them to pray instead of justifying there actions

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  19. ba #21, thanks for enlightening us, much appreciated. I assume you’re SDA and obviously know what you’re talking about. I won’t refer to other ‘churches’ coz this article refers to SDA. That said, I still feel flying fists & kicks are not the best way to iron out differences, whether in the church or in the home! We need to be better role models to our young ones…

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  20. With this simple outline, I hope you will realise that no pastor in the SDA Church World-wide has a capabilty to build him-/her-self mansions worth billions of poor people’s money. All money return to God as tithes belongs to God’s work not single pastors to buy themselves Benz(ies) and other expensive things on exploiting the church members.

    Just to emphasise the point of money again, each church member is free to get a copy of the financial accounts of a local church and see for him- or her-selfs how the money is or was used

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  21. # 24. I am very SDA, a member of the Hermanus SDA church, and you are welcome. I do understand your position in the earlier comment and now.

    I know that they way we as SDAs conducted ourselves at Chipata Main SDA Church is not acceptable. I dont just know the situation that obtained at that moment on the said day. However, we endeavour to do much better next time.

    enjoy.

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  22. But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away. For from these arise those men who slyly work their way into households and lead as their captives weak women loaded down with sins, led by various desires

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  23. Christians are funny chaps . the scriptures clearly tell you that they are twelve gates(Rev. 21:12
    ) into heaven and despite your so called ‘churches’ missing gates you are proud to claim to be. Who in the scriptures told you to start organisations with committees that pay salaries? Did the apostles or Yahushuah have any business like you characters have? The son of man and all his followers followed a religion set up by moses and did not break one single law from moses or did away with it(matthew 5:18). The son of man set precedent on how to worship but you chaps have gone on a tangent calling yourselves SDA, catholic, universal and whatever conjured up name.

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  24. #28, u obviously don’t have anything sensible to contribute. Your pseudo name leaves much to be desired. Alas, in the spirit of free speech, we have no choice but to put up with retarded imbeciles like you on LT. Long live free & uncensored blogging!

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  25. Most churches in Zambia are simply financial scams to rip off those citizens who have weak pyschological constitutions. Most of our citizens think that the poverty they are living through is due to the will of God, when it is because of the MMD mismanaging national affairs. This is why I believe that the mmd must be banned once and for all for killing so many of our people.

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  26. #33 – You are correct.

    Praying the whole day and doing nothing about the quality of school work being done in our classrooms is not going to make Zambia a better nation.

    Our parents spend too much time in prayer without addressing the incompetence of the MMD. I would add that the spending of the MMD on education has been kept to these low levels for all these years to ensure that citizens are unable to develop analytical skills needed to propel themselves in life via quality of decisions.

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  27. I would like heheheh to pertition the Church leadership on this issue so that a group of Leaders could be sent to advise on the issues of doctrine which the members are not satisfied with. Once this is done if the other members are of another view let them decide whether they need to leave the church or not.Otherwise per christain standard everything that happened is shameful. I dont expect christains to fight physically, its a shame to the church and to christainity.

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  28. #29. Below are a small set scriptures pointing you to what Jesus Chrsit did and what really is all about the church – a group of followers of Christ Jesus.
    Luke 4 + KJVBible
    Luke 4:15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
    Luke 4:16 ¶ And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
    Hebrews 10 + KJVBible
    10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
    Failure to appreciate simple truth is being in denial of plain stuff and dangerous to oneself

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  29. Destruction in Sodom and Gomorrah.please pray for each other.Pray that God gives you wisdom and knowledge to leads His flock.don’t rejoice when such things happen in the Church.

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  30. #36

    A synagogue is not a church don’t be silly synangogues were commissioned by built under the law of moses , churches were commissioned under Constantine , this is why the first church was built in 326 by Constantine. Remember you christians specifically said you are different from Jews and have nothing to do with jew(emperor constantine. The synagogue was forsaken by Yahushuah himself when he declared it to be a den of thieves(matthew 21:13). Acts 7:48 says YHWH does not live in buildings built by men and Matthew 24;23 states the same about people claming the messiah to reside in houses as false, And yet you people have gone and built Mansions with Alters.

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  31. And if you didn’t know Yahushuah only went to Synagogues to preach to Pharasee’s who were resident in the Temples. This is why when he died the temple curtain was torn in two. There is not one single commandment that instructs anyone to build worship houses and yet look at how much real estate you people own while your relatives are starving.

    #36 you say denying the truth , How about looking at the criteria of a false prophet in Deutoronomy 18:18-20 and tell me how the founder of your church Ellen G White thought the world would end in 1844? doesn’t galatians 1:8 say anyone that preaches false things must be accursed

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  32. #36
    read JOHn 9:22 synagogues were places for people that refuted the son of man
    I just checked Yahushuah never referred to Synagogues as his or his father’s .he scriptures say he taught in THIER synagogues, the houses of worship of pharasee’s . Yahushuah also preached under tree’s how come you church people don’t plant tree’s to worship under and yet you are busy building 3 billion kwacha each churches while people in the same neighbourhood are starving.

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  33. #38 through 40. John 9:22 These [words] spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.

    “The synagogue is the Jewish equivalent of a church, more or less. It is the center of the Jewish religious community: a place of prayer, study and education, social and charitable work, as well as a social center.” Source: Judaism 101, Synagogues, Shuls and Temples , 1995-2001 Top (type “define: synagogue” in google and you will find more on this one).

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  34. Do the same for the word temple and you will get the following: The great building in Jerusalem, in which sacrifices were offered to God. The First Temple was built by King Solomon (cf. I Kings). It was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar in 586 BCE and the Israelites exiled to Babylonia.
    As for the word Church, here is what you will find: I used two different spellings of the word: Church and church. Church is a Christian religious organization, church is a building or premises where divine services of a Church take place.

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  35. south province of zambia is infected with these so called SDA? I THOUGHT THEY WERE ONLY HERE…

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  36. The Scripture you wrote about has this to show us all: Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

    We all know that the disciple said this when Jesus had already resurrected from the dead.

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  37. cont’d #44. As for your assertions on Mrs EG WHite and your rantings on the Christian Church using the following #38 – 40:

    Mat 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
    Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not.

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  38. Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 18:19 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him. 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

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  39. Cont’d # 47 I have the following for you:

    Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
    2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
    Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

    On Mrs EG White you data is offside #39, She never predicted that Jesus Christ would come in 1944 and the world would end then! Go and re-read your history.

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  40. #48 cont’d. Mrs Ellen G White’s ministry started after the October 21,22 1844 great disappointment. She, indeed, was instrumental in the creation of the SDA Church which was organised in 1860 and formally put forth as a church in 1863. And so come up with correct details instead of advancing and perpetuating falsehoods.
    As for the temple issues, revisit the sanctuary message in the books of Exodus and leviticus. You will notice that Jesus Christ’s death on the cross marked the end of the sacrificial system of forgiveness of sin (see Daniel 9:23,24 ) – the splitting of the cloth that separated the holy and most holy places of the temple in Jerusalem meant immediately Jesus Christ died. enjoy

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  41. #49 google the name Ellen G (Harmony) White, you will find all necessary data on her on the various links that will comeforth. Wikipedia might provide quick details. Others, she was God’s Messenger (in the SDA Church): Some have stumbled over the fact that I said I did not claim to be a prophet; and they have asked, Why is this? I have had no claims to make, only that I am instructed that I am the Lord’s messenger; that He called me in my youth to be His messenger, to receive His word, and to give a clear and decided message in the name of the Lord Jesus – from her own words.

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  42. Mrs EG White also said: Why have I not claimed to be a prophet?–Because in these days many who boldly claim that they are prophets are a reproach to the cause of Christ; and because my work includes much more than the word “prophet” signifies. —Selected Messages Book 1, page 32.
    To claim to be a prophetess is something that I have never done. If others call me by that name, I have no controversy with them. But my work has covered so many lines that I cannot call myself other than a messenger, sent to bear a message from the Lord to His people, and to take up work in any line that He points out.

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  43. When I was last in Battle Creek, I said before a large congregation that I did not claim to be a prophetess. Twice I referred to this matter, intending each time to make the statement, “I do not claim to be a prophetess.” If I spoke otherwise than this, let all now understand that what I had in mind to say was that I do not claim the title of prophet or prophetess. —Selected Messages Book 1, pages 34,35

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  44. The Word of God is sufficient to enlighten the most beclouded mind, and may be understood by those who have any desire to understand it. But notwithstanding all this, some who profess to make the Word of God their study, are found living in direct opposition to its plainest teachings. Then, to leave men and women without excuse, God gives plain and pointed testimonies, bringing them back to the Word that they have neglected to follow. The Word of God abounds in general principles for the formation of correct habits of living, and the Testimonies, general and personal, have been calculated to call their attention more especially to these principles.Evangelism,pages 256, 257(Testimonies,vo.5)

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  45. Let no one decieve himself or worse still decieve others for it is claerly written that ‘Do you not know that you are the temple of God, and that the spirit of God dwells in you?'(1 Cor 3 v16) ‘For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in the eyes of God…….’ ( 1 Cor 3 v19)
    Brethren, worry not about what goes on in these churches but what goes on in your body as a temple of God.
    Stay blessed.

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  46. #38 – 39. I expect you to apologise after spreading false attacks on Mrs EG White and the SDA Church. It is always good Lord own up when you have been shown that you are in the wrong. The Holy Bible records: And you shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall set you free.

    Your calims on Mrs EG WHite has been brought to an instant halt by the words and writings of Mrs EG White herself. Her books can be found in any of the Eleen G White Estate websites if you need more confirmationon what I have posted on here.

    be blessed you all.

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  47. If the church is such a religious organisation why did no one in the scriptures not build one until Emperor Constantine built Constantine’s basillica which is still standing today? Just accept the truth the Church is bogus and a pagan replacement for the holy EKKELSIA. There is no amount of lies you can make to cover the fact that the original word EKKLESIA never meant church.

    Ellen G White is a false prophether books are available on amazon go read them for yourself. She also lied about the 12 tribes of Israel being personalities not actual people. She and her followers shall feel the wrath of telling such lies.

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  48. She has been found to have lied over 15 times. What kind of prophet lies and uses false terms like LORD which means baalim. The SDA church purpoted to call itself the new israel and the bride of Yahushuah. This is laughable because the bride was there in the old testament which is 3000 years old and yet the SDA church is just 15o years old. Even the so called 27 laws of the SDA church are conjured up lies . Baptism by emersion is not even necessary. SDA’s like to think they are the chosen ones but anyone that knows biblical history and Ellen g White knows how laughable SDA’s are.

    Proverbs 30:6
    Do not add to his words,
    or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

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  49. Ellen G white prophesized the Yahushuah would come back in 1844 and then after she found out she was full of lies she did some damage control and starts claiming not to be a prophet and calls herself a messenger, what a stupid person. Only the spirit of the devil gives prophecies that don’t come true .A prophet is someone who tells of whats to come and just because it fails doesn’t mean we will forget the lies she told. Another SDA culprit is John Miller another founder who was a freemason. SDA’a are very vocal about other churches but when confronted about their own truths you suddenly turn into ignoramus creatures.

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  50. hhehhehhehhe. Being in denial even when TRUTH has been presented to you is very sad. sad indeed #60 mwinw filimu.

    Miller was never a Seventh Day Adventist. He died without ever being a Seventh Day Adventist (SDA):

    William Miller (1782–1849) was an American Baptist preacher, whose followers have been termed Millerites. He is credited with the beginning of the Adventist movement of the 1830s and 1840s in North America. Among his direct spiritual heirs are several major religious denominations including Seventh-day Adventists, and Advent Christians. Later movements which found inspiration in Miller’s emphasis on Bible prophecy include Bible Students/Russellites and Jehovah’s Witnesses.

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  51. *message*
    Ellen Gould White you have been branded a false prophet and hence your followers or so called church has been invalidated. Nobody in the scriptures mentioned SDA’s or knew of their existence. You lied about the coming of Yahushuah and the end of the world in 1844 and afterwards instead of admiting your wrongs you contibued. I therefore rebuke you under the authority of deut 18 and galatians 1:8

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  52. “He is credited with the beginning of the Adventist movement of the 1830s and 1840s in North America”

    haha and yet you say he was never part of the SDA movement

    De-nile is juts not a river in egypt

    I have an ellen g white book with me written by her do you want some more lies. She was a racist if you didn’t know

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  53. Ellen Gould white quotes
    The colored people should not urge that they be placed on an equality with white people. The relation of the two races has been a matter hard to deal with, and I fear that it will ever remain a most perplexing problem.(Testimonies for the Church, Volume Nine, page 214 paragraph 3-page 215 paragraph 0.)

    “I think I have already written that the colored people should not urge that they be placed on an equality with white people.–Letter 202

    She [Ellen White] told it to her husband, and he made it known to Eld. Ingraham, and he divulged the secret to the writer, that Sister White had seen that God never made the Darkey.”

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  54. William Miller #59,60 mwine filimu and not John Miller. Go to Wikipedia you will find information about Miller and the Millerite Movemnent.

    One more time, I will educate you this, the SDA Church only came into existence in 1860 and it was formally made into fully functioning organisation in 1863. PLEASE, MWINE FILIMU re-read your history. About Mrs EG White she never prophesied that the world will end on either March 21 1844 and October 21,22 1844.
    The more you show this ignorance the more the onlookers will be shocked at the way your present yourself.

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  55. On the SDA Church again, we have 28 fundamental beliefs and not 27 laws. Assert yourself Mwine filimu. I am begining to wonder which filimu you are mwine – mwine filimu!

    I am going away now and wish you the best in everything, but please stop ranting and become real before it is too late for you.

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  56. I don’t do wikipedia i have your pathetic SDA history in a book. I have ellen G white’s book which i doubt you have and in there her history of claiming the world will end in 1844 is there. Wikipedia is for dundaheads anyone can edit it. There is no ignorance in me i am simply pointing out the truth which is in her books and funny enough you are denying it. Her book has so many quotes that’s incredible how people defend false prophets and yet true hebrew prophets like Moses and Yahushuah are denied

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  57. Run like a little fool but remember you shall share teh fate of you false prophet if you continue believing in her . Your 27 or 28 fundamental beliefs have no scriptural basis. Go back to bwanji where you can pretend to be some dull pastor who googles and copies and pastes. I am not surprised that you are denying your prophetess is false you have a history of denying the truth. You are a very dull chap i suggest you purchase her books and read the falseness yourself. There is no excuse for lieing in the name of the creator.

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  58. Sorry people i forgot to include the link with Willaim Miller data. Go to google and type the name William Miller and then get to Wikipedia. His data is all there.

    About the alleged racist remarks of Mrs White EG, please give or read the whole context in which Mrs White wrote about Blacks, Coloured and Whites.

    enjoy and keep well.

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  59. YOU DONT HAVE TO PURCHASE MRS EG WHITE’S BOOKS, ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS READ THEM ONLINE. I HAVE ALREADY MADE MENTION THAT THEY CAN BE FOUND ON ANY OF THE EG WHITE ESTATE WEB PAGES – WHERE YOU CAN READ THEM FOR FREE.

    I IMMEDIATELY KNEW THAT YOU ARE WTF OF BWANJI. NOW YOU WANT TO MISLEAD PEOPLE ON LT. AHAHAHAHA.

    MEET ME ON BWANJI SOMETIME IF YOU WILL MANAGE. BY THE WAY I AM NOT A PASTOR. I AM A SPACE PHYSICS STUDENT.

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  60. Okay so calling people darkeys and saying they are of lower human nature is okay for a prophet HAHAHAH this is why Africans are the laughing stock of the world . Where have you ever seen a prophet that lies and is racist but is accepted by africans? Run G-la whatever your name is. You are a very dull chap YHWH warns againts ignorance and yet you reek of it. A Provers 30:6 if you add to the scriptures you shall be shown to be a liar, nothing fits ellen g white this perfectly.

    Run along

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  61. You think typing in CAPS lock will change the lies of your prophet. I am not trying to mislead anyone I am simply telling the truth . A liar is a liar You can type in chinese for all i care that fat white woman was a racist false prophet

    Why don’t you tell the people that in her books on page 4 and the introduction it clearly says she prophesized wrongly. If you want i can post a screen cap on Bwanji . Page 4 page 3 and page 64 say he lied in her own book. Someone admits that they are lieing and yet you the dull follower denies it. How stupid can you really get

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  62. Like Hehehehe, am very much adventist, briefly let my zoom in to the real cause of this embarassing fracas, infact this insnt the first time it has happened in chipata. The problem started after the 1995 General conference decision to form the womens ministry department to primarily look at the affairs of our women folk. Immediately rumours started going round a small rebel group within the church -they call themselves defenders of the truth- that this department was going to be sponsored by the Catholic church ,to be precise the Pope himself ( whatever they have against the catholics). As you SDA is a world wide church and its development will not be hindered by a small group of hypochrites

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  63. The structure of power and deception is so elaborately layered as explained by hhehhehhehhe that its why the so called witnesses can’t witness the thievery and deceipt they are witnessing!That is why they are firing blows because they have been hoodwinked into focusing on ‘Doctine’ not ‘Cash’which comes mysteriously from the ‘Conference’ for the salaried prophets!

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  64. #73 cont… in Zambia. Some of you may have heard of Dorcas, now the relationship is that, this Dorcas is supposed to fall under this Women ministry which worldwide has infact a directorate at the General Conference ( the HQs), whereas Dorcas is only in Zambia. The rebel group want the status quo to continue. Thank God SDA like many other church organisations are democratic and patient.

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  65. This discussion is interesting and laughable like one of the bloggers’ ID.

    Quoting the Bible in 16th century english (does it make it more aunthentic?); Ekklesia, synagogue, church (well I have learnt something today)…Jesus, Yahushuah (I guess that is refering to the same person)…YWWH ( I can’t pronounce that!) …Ellen White was racist? Word…This is one area I really am not qualified to comment on, so I will just shut up and wait for the blogging on this topic to continue…keep us entertained Mwine filimu and hhehheehhee and Mala Msana Wandalama, who seems to know what the Chipata fracas is all about but has not really elaborated…

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  66. you will know them by their fruits so beware brothers and sisters, 72 and 73 thank you for educating us

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  67. #72 right on! i also dont associate myself with racists! ellen white, jesus christ, muhammad, etc! were all racists and hence therefore false prophets!!! why is africa still in the dark?? is it a coincidence that there has never been a blak pope…why are african moslems segregated when they go for pilgrimage?? So ba SDA stop exploiting those of weaker minds in our society……Religion is a big lie. China is doing just fine without it. so is japan and denmark!! did u know that denmark has the happiest people in the whole world??

    jesus is said to have risen from the dead! then hurredly went to heaven!! what was the rush 4? why didnt he let the enemies see and believe that he had risen??.

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  68. Goodmorning you all.
    #78,79 you dont have to worry much about your assertions on the Lord Jesus Christ, He will come, very very soon, and you will have a chance to see for yourself all about Him.
    #71,72. Please produce your alleged pages and book on Mrs EG White instead of releasing unnecessary diatribes and falsehood on her like: “Why don’t you tell the people that in her books on page 4 and the introduction it clearly says she prophesized wrongly. If you want i can post a screen cap on Bwanji . Page 4 page 3 and page 64 say he lied in her own book. Someone admits that they are lieing and yet you the dull follower denies it. How stupid can you really get”
    I have never seen them!

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  69. In all my points above, I have furnished you with credible evidence that anyone can follow up on and find the truth.
    As for #71,72 censored name mwine filimu, you have continued in a trail of attacks without tractable proof bashioning on misleading those who have not yet read for themselves what is really true about Mrs White!
    The most amazing thing is that the more you post false claims on her, the more the onlookers come to light with the exact truth about Mrs White.
    Please, raise to occasion and stop bickering. Its not too late yet to acknowledge that you need more reading for you to have a sound standpoint on Mrs White, William Miller and the SDA Church.
    Be blessed you all.

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  70. #73,75. Thanks for clearing the air on the cause of fighting at Chipata SDA Main Church in Chipata, Zambia.

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  71. #78 In short you dont believe in God, you’re an atheist, are you? If thats the case it difficult to engage in serious discussion with you. Am not condemning or slighting you and your beliefs in any way. Anyway God loves you like everybody else.

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  72. #83 sorry, but i aint looking forward to engaging in serious discussion with ya either! For i know how intimidating christians can be? if u pin them with serious questions…the only way out for them is call u a devil or satanist!!! i am were were i am coz of my hardwork and not God!! if God is a fairy tale then i guess he loves me and everybody else…

    what is there in africa that the chinese who dont believe in God dont have..?? …anyway i gat to get back to my patients!! laterz

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  73. #84 Why are the Chinese in Africa looking for resources if they have stuff which Africa can not offer them?

    good day with your patients!

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  74. Pray for Funjika
    Former Zambian commander jailed

    March 11 2008 at 12:22PM

    Lusaka – A high court in Zambia has sentenced a former military commander to serve nine months hard labour after he was found guilty of receiving bribes from a British firm, court documents said Tuesday.

    General Wilford Funjika, 60, was sentenced on Monday to nine months imprisonment after the state appealed against a two-year suspended sentence handed down by a magistrates court in 2007-AFP

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  75. # 73, do not bring in Catholics in your issue!! Yes whatever you have against the Catholics keep it to yourselves!! Read # 55 and keep the greatest commandment.

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  76. #88 Read my contribution again. Musendapo ubwafufu. Catholics are nice people and i have got nothing against them.

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  77. For Gods sake!!! you guys are repeating what those guys in Chipata did. We are all human beings. Everyone knows that we sin in many ways. Not even the best saint was absolutely holy. The only difference between us and the saints is that they know that they are sinners and do not judge others when in trouble but us we don’t know that we are sinners and we try to justify ourselves and judge others. SDA, Catholics, Zambia church of God, Misisi church, kabulonga Against Satana Church. (If they all exist)belong to God. Sinners or saints God loves us.fULL STOP

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  78. #91. Thank you and be blessed too.
    For the rest of you. I know that truth does not need to be defended, but I will not sit and relax when someone is BUSY vomiting lies about the SDA Church. I do not have a problem with anyone telling the TRUTH.
    I am very alive to the fact that God, our Creator, is the JUDGE and so I do not condemn anyone on here. But please, save us (SDAs) from insults meant to convince those who do know the truth on the ground.
    Rev 22:12 ¶ And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
    be blessed you all.

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  79. I just finished reading Elle gould white’s book

    Thanks for the recommendation heheheeh

    A false prophet as i had earlier thought. Now i know a lot more. the woman called the appointed feasts of Israel in Deutoronomy 16 useless jewish ordinances and spoke against the jews.

    it’s funny a 150 year old false prophet started church thinks it can speak against people that were blessed by YHWH, moses and yahushuah.

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  80. hehehe

    the lies of your prophet are in her book

    The great controversy. I am sure like any deluded fool that follows a false doctrien you will hold on and protect her. It’s funny you are the one that recommended her book to me to read it online and yet I have found out that Ellen white is not only racist but anti semitic totally ignorant and very stupid. You are just 150 years old, The covenant of israel is 3500 years old. Stay in line and stop the foolishness. Educate yourself and stop being in denial if a liar is caught with hard evidence not even google can save you

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  81. It is good that now you ar being educated about what really Mrs EG White wrote about. You also now know a brief history about the SDA Church. i am happy that your rantings about William Miller having been the founder of the SDA Church as you indicated earlier is wrong. You clearly NOW acknowledge that the SDA is 150 years old having been establiched in 1860 and not 1844 like you alleged earlier.
    Continue reading those EG White books and you will be blessed with the TRUTH you will find therein.
    Please, re-read your gospels and see what the DEATH OF JESUS CHRIST OUR SAVIOUR really means (see Daniel 9:24 -27 also).
    welcome to the REAL TRUTH and enjoy yourself as you read those books #93,94

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  82. Christianity is indeed an opium for the poor, as Karl Max said. Its a drug given to people to 4get about their woes. For me, its as a result of fear of the unknown. Hence Christians look for a big brother somewhere to protect them in case of anything.

    You only live once so make the best out of your life because there is no life beyond this life. Once you die, thats the end. If you can to engage me on this discourse, email me [email protected]

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  83. no need for a discourse with you (Kant). there are situations when we church leaders cannot just sit and see people drink and smoke all the money they are supposed to tithe. when u just sit, then yu are an accomplice. We fight for what belongs to us.

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  84. Mwine wa Filimu, you have a problem with understanding the context in which a statement is written. The statement about “useless Jewish ordinances” refers to a situation where Jews looked at the ordinances themselves as a means of salvation. They concentrated more on the ordinances than what the ordinances represented. The ordinances in and of themselves themselves were powerless to save. I’ve read the book “Great Controversy,” there is nothing anti-semitic in the book. You must be reading bits and pieces instead reading entire chapters and eventually the whole book. Jesus said even harsher things against Jews, is He anti-semitc?

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  85. Mwine Wa Filimu,

    Quote: “Who in the scriptures told you to start organisations with committees that pay salaries? Did the apostles or Yahushuah have any business like you characters have?” End Quote.

    If you read the first five books of the Bible you will find the Priests and Levites (You can call them ministers today) where paid from the tithe the Jews brought to the Temple. The appostles also got paid from tithes and contributions from members (Read the books written by apostle Paul). Paul was a “Tent maker” and earned income from that. In The SDA and most other Churches, its Just the Pastors who get paid and not Elders, Deacons etc. So that fight was nothing to do with money.

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  86. It seems to me, Mwine wa Flimu, that you have not thougtfully read the BIble. You don’t have much information on Christianity. You claim certain things are not in the Bible yet they are there. Your posts show that you hate Chritianity therfore whatever you read about it (even from the Bible), you read without objectivity hence misquoting verses and statements.

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  87. Finally, comming back to the issue at hand, When you read 2 Tim 3:1-9 (this passages refers to some people in God’s Church in the last days) , and other prohecies in the Bible, you will clearly see that we are in the last days and as we get closer to the end, we will see more drammer in churches and in the world in General.

    What is our duty then? Its to seek God with all our hearts, repent of our sins and help one another to prepare the the return of our Lord Jesus Chrit. Eccle 12:13 says: “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter. Fear God and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man” KJV.
    God bless you all.

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  88. Thanks all – for the positive contributions and your perceptions on this matter.

    Luke + KJV Bible
    Luk 24:44 ¶ And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.

    Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
    Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
    Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

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  89. The scriptures are very clear on the issues to do with the Old Testament, mwine filimu. Just re-read the Holy Bible, this time with an open mind and not preconceived ideas and I assure you that you will find the TRUTH about everything therein by God’s grace.
    Luke + KJV Bible
    Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
    Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
    Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

    With these scriptures, I make mention that all things in the OT pointed to Jesus Christ. enjoy.

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  90. THE WISE SAY ” DON’T ARGUE WITH A FOOL BECAUSE PEOPLE MAY NOT NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE”. SO THOSE SDA CHURCH MEMBERS WHO WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE CORRECT SIDE IN THAT MESS SHOULD NOT HAVE STARTED A FIGHT AS DOING SO ATTRACTED A LOT OF ATTENTION HENCE THE STORY ENDED UP WITH THE LT JOUNALIST.BOTH SIDES WERE WRONG.I ONLY HOPE THEIR PROBLEM WAS LATER ON RESOLVED AMICABLY.PEACE MUST ALWAYS BE GIVEN FIRST PRIORITY.BLESS YOU ALL.

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  91. THE WISE SAY ” DON’T ARGUE WITH A FULL COZ PEOPLE MAY NOT NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO”. SO THOSE SDA CHURCH MEMBERS WHO WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE CORRECT SIDE SHOULD NOT HAVE STARTED A FIGHT.I ONLY HOPE THEIR PROBLEM WAS LATER ON RESOLVED AMICABLY.PEACE MUST ALWAYS BE GIVEN FIRST PRIORITY.

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  92. Point of correction: #86, Where did Jesus ever say we are all children of God? In my Bible, John testifies that only to those that received him, who beleived in his name, did He give power to become children of God (John 1:12). Later on, Christ himself clearly states that only those whom The Father draweth, can come unto Him (John 6:44, 65).
    So, don’t mislead the people by assuring them that we are all children of God. He is the one who initiates (by Calling/Drawing) and you only respond (Believing) ONLY THEN do you become His child. Seen?

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  93. Coming to the punch up issue, Power struggle is nothing new in the Kingdom of God. To say the least about the oldest adversary of The Almighty, Lucifer, who was cast down from Heaven for trying to be like His creator, there was a lot of contention in the early churches aswell. Paul calls it being carnal (1 Corinthians 3) and this is what we see taking place there.

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  94. #110 continue!

    As shown in the above posting Mrs EG White, who penned, the Spirit of Prophecy (Revelation 12:17 followed by Revelation 19:10) clearly was not a RACIST as asserted by the man with a censored name “mwine filimu”.

    Many clarifications on the attacks on the SDA Church and Mrs EG White, in person, can be found on the webpage posted in #110 above.
    Keep well and stay blessed.

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  95. Greetings to you All. To crown everything in my postings above, find serious counsel in the following:

    Ephesians 5 + NIV Bible

    9(for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) 10and find out what pleases the Lord. 11HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FRUITLESS DEEDS OF DARKNESS, BUT RATHER EXPOSE THEM. 12For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13But EVERYTHING EXPOSED by the LIGHT becomes VISIBLE, 14for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said:
    “Wake up, O sleeper,
    rise from the dead,
    and Christ will shine on you.”

    be blessed.

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  96. so sad that things are turning out like this in the name of god.
    These are signs of the end.

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  97. Forget bible and get back to our traditional belief. Christianity never work or look at its history. That man said, I have other sheep and bring them to my sheep and be one but all failed. I left sda long time and already knew of this church’s problem which I kept quiet. Thanks God I’m free and have peace in mind.

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  98. What happened to my posting on #110? My posting #111 now reads #110 and my initial #110 has been removed. Sad!

    Anyway, I will re-poste it if I will manage later!

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  99. Here is the link being referred to in #110 whgich was removed by someone somehow:

    w w w. whiteestate . org / issues / video . h t m l

    Simply get rid of the spaces and make the link compact and geta the information in question.

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  100. The issues going on in chipata are as a result of poor leadership at the so called field level this shows their total failure to the run the church in chipata intelligably.These are the reactive type of leaders who lack direction.Their down fall is quickly aproaching so that sanity may return back again to the troubled and distorted church of the adventists in chipata

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  101. mwine filimu who the hell are you man!! you write like a very naive and mannerless man, have some manners. looks like you have a personal grudge on the adventist church and Hellen White but then theres no need to dispiay your personal hatred on the net like this, keep your bigotry to your self dammt!

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  102. Wow, so my question is, were feelings CLEARLY EXPRESSED between the two church factions? Did the judiciuos use of force, which I am assuming included a nutritious menu of FISTS, CHAIRS and other ASSORTED LARGE and EXTREMELY DENSE OBJECTS, send a CRYSTAL CLEAR message??

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