Government says it happy with existing cordial and warm relations that exists between Zambia and China.
Vice President Rupiah Banda said the Zambia-China relations are at their best with China helping Zambia address some its economic and social challenges.
Mr. Banda commended China for its continued contribution to Zambia’s economic development through investment in mining, agriculture and construction.
The Vice President was speaking when a goodwill Chinese delegation paid a courtesy call on him at his office Wednesday.
Mr. Banda noted that government is amused with the cooperation between the two countries particularly with the establishment of economic zones on the copperbelt.
And Head of Delegation Li Jinjun commended Zambia for being one of the first countries in Africa to establish bilateral relations since independence.
Mr. Jinjun who is also Chinese Vice Minister of International Department of the central committee of the communist party said China is happy that its assistance in the establishing economic zones is bearing tangible results.
He said with approximately 200 Chinese in Zambia, China is the third largest investor in the country.
Earlier, the delegation paid a courtesy call on Foreign Affairs Minister Kabinga Pande who assured the delegation that Zambia will continue to support the one China policy.
Mr. Pande said the relations between the two countries are warm because there is sincerity adding that almost all the support from China has no strings attached.
He noted that the G8 group of countries should seriously consider China as part of the group.
Mr. Pande who is also MMD Vice National Chairman said the MMD looks forward to continued cooperation with the Communist Party of China (CPC) in the quest to develop the two nations.
And Mr. Jinjun said there is need for the MMD and the CPC to strengthen ties through increased high level visits between the two nations.
Mr. Jinjun invited the MMD to send a delegation of mid and high ranking members to China in order to promote exchange of ideas between the two parties which are ruling parties in their respective countries.
In attendance were Chinese Ambassador Li Qiangmin, Officials from the ruling MMD and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
ZANIS/BK/ENDS/MM
On your marks get set go. Who blogs first. Tongas or bembas.
Iwe Satanist anonymous #1… Utembeleledwe muzina ya Yesu
Cursed be unto you comment number 1
give this rubbish a rest.
When god was handing out culture the Bemba’s were not there, look at your chief he dances like a prostitute.
Whats the latest with LPM? No more updates? Has the government got bored?
Can you people be more serious and make sensible comments
At least the Chinese invest without preconditions but this is a double edged sword look at sudan.
Next update on LPM scheduled for sept 2011. thank you
# 1 ha ha ha!
#5 Kmart, so you think your joke is funny, eh? Have some respect for tradition, else you is like a tree without roots. Foolish bwoy!
RB says 200 Chinese have invested in Zambia – what exactly have they invested in ?!?! Apart from the mines and a few other ‘proper’ investments, most other Chinese “investors” are just reliveing the overpopulation crisis in China as China has developed a “get-rid-of-some-people-and-send-them-to-African-countries” policy. Why is that some of these “investors” are operating in Kamwala and making local Zambians struggle with their businesses ? Is this what investment in Zambia means ?!!
#8 – Chinese aid is NOT without conditions !! Just see how these African countries, esp Zambia will be voting at the UN ! Their hands are tied.
What’s the more the Zambia-China collaboration should be between the two governments of Zambia and China and not between parties, ie CPC and MMD !!!
Kmart get a life.
#12 thanks for the pointer..
#13 but isn’t MMD the elected gov’t of zambia?.
i dont give a damm about a country that helps another country and forgets its own..take time to see the life style of the chinese people!!! freaking communist CHINA!!!!
LPM is still stable i guess….
China is just trying to decongest its country and the VP thinks they are helpin us. These old chaps can’t think. How many Zambians are going to stay in China. We should be careful with these chinese coz they will start marrying our women and also they will soon become MPs in some areas until they start ruling us.
# 17 you really have no clue what you are talking about…inspite what you and many think, these guys are strategic in their approach to economic decisions. Do you know that the average incomes of the chinese people have been rising sharply (inspite the still worrisome urban-rural income gap, which exists in any country anyway), they are driving some of the most expensive cars in the world,their meat consumption has driven consumer prices up (that is a sign of prosperity by the way) and watch the space on the FORBEs list of billionaires; China, Russia and India make up about a third of them (Russia (35), China (28) and India (19). In any case I may not be sure what you are talking about.
By the way, those are just the new comers to the FORBEs list alone
thecitizensdemocraticparty.com -impressed with their site- anyone heard of them/who is involved?
NgomaS you are up this early in Kitwe are you bewitching ppl? Anyway I’ve heard about the party here and a brother in Chingola mentioned it- I guess they are moving slowly ans surely-they seem to have a plan. Anyway, the Chines continue to rape Africa- Zambia being the big victim.
@ #22 I wish the this CDP party would come live on the scene they seem to be different from the nonsense we’re used to. Anyway I was just checking on the Zambian site to see if anyone knows anything I am not usually on here, but anyone else- visit thecitizensdemocraticparty.com- I’ll advertise for them.
yes thecitizensdemocraticparty.com I am in
For all those who doubt Miyandas leadrship should read Todays editorial in the post.
Slavemasters, that’s what they are.sucking the blood of the sufferers.
China,China,China,it seems China is MMD’s biggest success?Chinese investment in as much as it is welcome,it needs to be looked @ with suspicion becoz of China’s human rights record which it shamelessly & openly displays for all to see.These Chinese investors don’t respect labour laws don’t give their workers safety attire etc.
I think we need each and every(no matter how small) investment that can come our way to boost our economy.be it indian RSA etc however, quality of this investment should not be compromised and the chinesse have always been the calprits when it comes to the question of Quality & safety.Their work culture leaves much to be desired.Thus these people should Know that we are not desperate to an extent of getting this investment at the expense of Quality,the way we sold KCM after Anglo. though we need the investment.
Very boring topic!Come on now LT you guys can do better.By the way is Levy still ‘recovering’?
@#27 I agree with you . Whoever opposes china is fired look what happened to REV Gladys .When she come with ZBNC to show the Chinese investment in one of the mines in C.province , about one week later She was fired , Where is Alice S of S.province.The closer of ZCMT(JV)the hand of state has not comment on this ,casual workers where getting as little as k60,0000.00 per month.All leaders MPs where falling to make comments on ZCMT ,they were saying I have a family to look after why because in Zambia it is like china molilo yaikatako yapya( China is fire toch you are queched by it ).Can the goverment do something about this . We need to progress & not Tonga Bemba slogan like # 1,it is useless.
200 chinese in Zambia, what? not 200 000 thousand or more?
Chembe bridge is now almost completed, kwashala stadium in Ndola & tarmac mu pedicle. well done Jet Li & your crew for coming to our aid .chawama ku luapula.
When is Zambia starting to invest in China? all we hear is China has invested so much in Zambia when is it ever gonna be the other way round? How much have we invested in China anyway?
When are the Chinese begining to build the stadium? if the stadium is to be used for 2010 or 2011 i dont think it will be ready.
The relationship between Zambia and china is fong Kong. That should answer your question # 33.My sister # 34 where have you been all this time? Da, the stadium will never be ready not in our lifetime anyway. Imwe mwe Bantu how is Levy? why isnt RB giving updates anymore?
To hell with the chinese, ba la pwisha copper pa Zed
On reflection It really is a shame that Zambians can not build a bridge let alone pave a road. We need chinese to do this after more than 30 yrs of indipondo and thousands of engineers trained.
Were have we gone wrong ?.
And another bad trend is it seems to me Zambians are more concerned with building shopping malls. Every open space in provinces, you have councilors singing for shopping malls.
Do pipo ever thing of production in this country ?
#37 that is sence unlike #1
Some people r stil dreaming about investors coming fro the west! The west hav gone to the east because they stil perceive Africa to be extremely backwards. We need China and other investors from the east to demonstrate to the world that things can happen here! So plz dont get xenophobic with chinese investment. With the west, we even speak their language, english, its nothing to them, as far as they r concerned, Africa is only a source of raw materials and of late skilled manpower such as doctors! People, wake up, Chinese successes in Africa wil make the world rush to Africa in 10 yrs time, stay HIV free and u wil be witnes to all this! Yebo naluta mukhale makola, Chiuta wabe namwe a Levi!
you c wen you tok about the Chinese, these are species that don’t care about Zambian. they are not concerned about out culture as Zambians. they have no respect whatsoever. i know of Chinese who come into Zambia in the name of Engineers and Construction Specialists and they forge their papers with the help of Zambians to gain entry into the country and yet the truth of the matter is that they are jst bricklayers, carpenters and plumbers trained while serving various sentences in prisons. they get more money that Zambian Qualified and trained professional. can we have a proper system of scrutinizing these chaps b4 the entire china comes into Zambia. To my fellow countrymen and women,
The last time we heard about the chinese building a stadium in Ndola, we were told that soil samples were sent to china for analysis. This has taken some months now, am sure we have facilities at unza to conduct soil analysis. Lets use these chaps to put up a stadium or two and other structures b4 they finish our copper and disappear.
what is this i hear that Given Lubinda is trying to become PF President.
I agree with u 41
Talking about Chinese investment what happened to ZamChina Mulungushi Textiles(ZCMT)in Kabwe…?Who is suppose to recapitalise it? Zambia or China…Zambian govt should be serious when it comes to the wellbeing of its pipo how are the former workers surviving…
#21 where is this party @? are they in lusaka or elsewhere. anything like an address? kindly assist
lets tek advantage of the abundant natural resources which God has blessed us with and utilize them to the best advantage of society and to ourselves.look we have so many forests and yet we cant even mek tooth picks.wake up Zambians.lets not jst complain about the investors coming to rob us of our God given pride.lets do something. remeber God blesses the works of our hands.Japan was completely Bombed but they worked had and they were back on track.our neighbor here Angola was a war-tone country 4 many many years but they will b hosting the Africa Cup come 2010.Zambia has never bin 2 war.wat am sayn is lets work hard.lets identify opportunities.lets not be lovers of pleasures and leasures
Well its seems to me that we Zambian take time to learn. We forget easliy, we have had investment from China and other develeped countries for for sometime now and yet we remain among the poorest nations even in the SADC region. Investers never come to improve the economy but to make money. Its only Zambians who can improve their country. If we planned and acted like the way we are praying for our beloved president, we can achieve alot more. AWAKE Zambia!!
Chinese investment is welcome. We just need to manage it and benefit from the same in the same way they and India have benefited from western investment. Its high time we the people through our govt studied the Asians and their economies. By doing so and applying their economic models, I believe we will score success economically. I hope someone is doing this already. What we are witnessing economically has already happened in India and china. So lets analyse the situation of these countries seriuosly.
yes ba mambala
I would expect Britain to sell all its former colonies to the western investors and be proud that its involvement in Africa brought about transformation of peoples lives, alas, the only thing they can persistently tell the world is about Mugabe! What a shame on UK! Just because a few british whites were dispossessed of the land they store then the only problem Africa has is Mugabe? People lets forget about the west, lets engage the east and even introduce Chinese languages in our schools for ease of comunication! All the western countries r the axis of evil! Africa is only good for slaves, minerals, skilled manpower thats it? Ati kupusa, bose ba ku west nivindele, mbakuzelezeka, ******* pabo
Guys do u actually know why we have had alot of visitors, big fish for that matter? Rember the Sulton! Chinese President, the Americans Bushs wife and Clinton? the US senors coming in december?
Its all the Chirundu high grade ! uranium….
#50-Im trying to study Atomic Physics to that level. Any help?
#18 that will never happen FJT has already taken care of that!, bloody Congolese that’s why he is Bleaching.
#49 you mean africa is only good for cheap labour , minerals, thats it?,yes.Chinese investment is the way forward,Indians should,(F off )we know what there about!.
#50 simple hey want our resources.
Don’t believe the western propaganda about China. China is good for Africa, the west who have exploited us for almost 600 years are now threatned with the rise of China. China, which will over take Japan soon needs resources its up to us to take advantage and sell them at high prices and use the money to develop ourselves. Do you know why the prices of copper, zinc, uranium are high? Demand from China
some of u chaps r just mad that china is becoming a force to reckon with!! u r still slaves in mind of the western countries…china is educating more zedians than uk and states combined, yet we r an english speaking country! wake up pipo… ya been sleeping for too long! what poor human rights record on china doing keep on talking about?? 1989 tian an men quare massacre of students??? …its no worse than and cant be compared to the rwanda 1994 genocide………y r u pipo still licking the asses of the enermy that enslaved us for more than 300 years??!!!
#55 Imwe Ashidada, lembanikoni mu chakwathu.
viva china!!! zhong guo wan sui!
we should ask the Chinese to look into the oil issue in north and rest of the country,to hell with the west.
Do you know why Africa will never develop? It’s because of LACK OF PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE. This is evidence of what is going on in Zambia right now. If we had planned for who should take over in case of death or unforeseen circumstance, we wouldn’t be in a situation we are in now. Death is still TABOO. When are we going to wake up??? If a family member mentions about a Will everyone thinks you are trying to kill your parents. No wonder there is chaos when someone dies. I was surprised that people attacked Teta for thinking ahead. WAKE UP PEOPLE. Let us not think about today but we think about tomorrow. Each of us will die and that’s no secret. Why then is death still taboo??
Countries are developed by individuals. The Government simply supplements what the communities need. Most people would be surprised to find out how are initial Constitution came to be. How for intance, the treaties of Northwestern and Northeastern Rhodesia were factored into the initial constitution making process. This simple back ground, in my understanding, will help a lot of people to understand our present circumstances. To shorten the gub, without this history, we are like misguided rockets launched into oblivion without a trace of where we are going.
Beware of the Dragon!
I heard that LPM”s body gurads are back in Zed.
#62 Indeed beware! It is almost awake!
The Dragon I refer to is not china at all. China is simply a pawn in the real Dragon. Believe me.
Master bloggers! Mulifye bwino?
These days bane, it is much easier to go mad than to stay sane!
#60. Very true thinking ahead, not only in case of death but also in other issues of national developement such as economy,sport is not with us.See everytime there is african cup of nations(soccer) thats i when ZNBC asks for well wishers & other sponsors for them to televise the same.even now we know there is going to be world cup 2010 in RSA of which Zambia can qualify(which makes our rate for television rights higher) but will still wait until…worse still even in times were we think up what needs to be done then being disciplined and following what we’ve planned becomes a problem.so we don’t do it in the right manner and for right purposes .
# 67 ha ha ha ikali iyo.
Zambian in Tshwane i hope you have papers, pantu ama deportations have started uko mwaikala. Anyway these chinese punks are everywhere in our contry but on my last visit to Beijing i saw not a single Zambian and not even a single Zambian Product so i dont see any relationship betwwen china and us. We need to give the chinese quotas when it comes to trade or immigration.Why should they populate our Zambia when we dont do that to china
#63, it how true is it?
China has its own agenda they are the real Dragon. It’s a huge country with a large appetite for resources; thanks to them we are getting better deals from the west! competition has arisen for our resources.
i am disgusted with our hospitality when it comes to the chinese.Going to their country is a nghtmare. The vigorous search and interviews before you pass immigration are ridiculous and the treatment you get is not like the way we have let them free flow in Zambia. My last trip to china made me wanna vote for sata so that he can flush out these sleepy eyes short bastards.Our govt needs to research more on the so called relationship with china.These fong kong *****s have no reagrds for black pipo in their country they are racists and yet we hail them because they come with a few dollars atase
#37 good points.And i can say yes pipo do think of manufacturing in pa Zed just that its expensive to do business pa Zed.Our tax regime is terrible,fuel is 30% more than the most expensive in the sub region.Our raw materials are also not very good as they require some further good processing which is expensive to do here in Zed.So u have a situation were u export raw materials then import the same raw materials as processed material.Its just like a circus.Our minerals are exported as ore to Namibia who further process it & even extract many other minerals putting more value to it & get more revenue than we do on the precious ore.
The Chinese invest is the much sought after in he world today.Do not be cheated with ill informed bloggers counties like Australia have made a lot wealth coz of the same Chinese.They buy from coal to iron .However any country in the world like the bwanas in UK are free to come reopen thier Dunlop and the like ,they really missing out on the boom time the country is enjoying at the moment,but no conditions we’ve had enough.Good show MMD.
Ba Kmart what better deals are you getting from the west,thanx to china the price of fuel has skyrocketed. China coming on the scene has just messed up the world.
#74 spot on. Our govt needs to do more on reducing tax on selected manufacturing products to encourage local processingfor example. Furthermore they need to encourage the setting up of local processing plants so that we can benefit from all the bye products of the ore some of which are even more valuable than the main product. Botswana for instance is pushing to have most of their diamonds to be polished at home;the UK has dropped the large companies coperation tax from 30% to 28% (as per Finance ACT 2008).The motive in both cases and other is clear.The list is endless.
#55 while our resources are being sold at high prices to the chinese etc, what do we have to show in exchange? Nothing, nothing. When the copper ore is depleted, we shall remain only with big holes! Where is the money from these high copper prices going. Kaya, Kaya.
Fr. Miha points out the obviuos-he is threatened by former FAZ spokesperson. What a shame.
So go on those of you who are able to, go on and praise the chinese for their generosity. Its your call.
#61 Anonymous, I agree with you only in part. Govt sets up the policies which latteron attract or repel investors or encourage or discourage the local community from participating fully in development. Clearly, our govt has failed to stimulate the locals into venturing into much more meaningful developmental activities that lead to job creation among other benefits. I therefore believe govt plays a big role of chartting the direction. Yes we need foreign investment but we also need the local investment kept in a clear reasoanable balance.
China vs Zambia hahahahahaha
I currently feel a profound desire to replenish the propellant of my motorized vehicle.Therefore, I cordially request you to transfer, from your subterranean reservoir, a sufficient quantity of the combustible fluid of the highest octane rating to fill the appropriate receptacle of the said means
of perambulation to the brim. (IN short fill my car tank)
#76 Yes china’s demand pushes the price up slightly but don’t believe you hear from the western media. Oil supply to the market is enough and high oil prices are not due to a shortage of crude but rather it is because of the decrease in the dollar’s value, shortage of refinery capacity and some political tensions in the world. Speculators One of the biggest factors in high oil prices, according to many experts, is that investors, such as hedge funds and investment bankers, can use loopholes in commodities law to manipulate the market and drive crude oil, heating oil, gasoline and diesel fuel prices to new heights.
#76 Hope that answers your question.
#75 raise this issue with our government.
63, yes the body guards should be back, they have nothing to do in France besides Levy is in a secure military hosipital.
The whole China thing is a passing phase: Commodities are high because of the demand from China. So in the next 20-30 years, when China (and Indai is becoming a developed country, we who have the resources like copper should make money and use it wisely invest in agro, tourism etc.
Is there someone who can tell us the actual production cost of a barrel of oil in just 4 yrs the price has jumped from $20 a barrel to over $130 as at last week.
I think the reason for high oil prices has less to do with demand by china but is caused by speculators on the oil futures market.
# 5 & 9 uve made my day, i cannot stop Laughin. Goddamn u boys are funny
Data is that ba mwinee was able to stand yesterdy………and was able to speak.
Data also has it PF is almost spliting…into two Given Lubinda vs SATA
Data has it there has been a rumur circulated by UPND that Both Ba mwinee and King Cobra are sick and HH is the only one to go for..
Unfortunetly data doesnt have infor on whether when ba mwinee comes back his stepping down or what?
Nice thoughts #33. When are we Zambians going to strted doing big things for ourselves and really for others – like investing in China.
We, however, welcome the Chinese to Zambia although they need to abide by our law of our land (Zambia Consitution + Parliamentary laws + Labour ones too).
#87 that’s what i said…
89 Ndife Ba roomie long time. data isw that Ba Sata’s brain has been couried to France to put in ba Mwine’s head. as we speak, Sata’s head is empty!
Zambians know that KK has now come back into leadership and he is ruling in form of your Veep – Mr. Lupiya Banda.
Lupiya Banda is a a die hard UNIP hence he is being what to say by the leadership of that party.
So, be careful, Zambians!!!
its not that am a racist or that i hate china.am just trying to point out the facts.I don’t know if these people are helping us or just trying to use us,but my opinion is that they are trying to use us. I’ve been in China for two years now but from what i have seen and what i experienced is not what i expected from China,they are good to us when they talk to our governments(they are just deceiving them).Here we are just treated like animals,you cannot know this not until you know what they say in their language.
As at now this is whats happening to Africans now.I don’t even believe that they are helping us.
Beijing bars told to ban black people during Olympics
GEOFFREY YORK
From Saturda
Beijing bars told to ban black people during Olympics
GEOFFREY YORK
From Saturday’s Globe and Mail
July 18, 2008 at 7:10 PM EDT
BEIJING — Chinese police officials have forced some Beijing bar owners to sign secret pledges promising to prohibit blacks from entering their bars during the Olympics next month, a Hong Kong newspaper says.
The police denied the report Friday, and most bars denied any knowledge of the pledges. But many African residents of Beijing say they are facing harassment from police and discrimination from bars as the Olympics approach.
“Bar owners near the Workers Stadium in central Beijing say they have been forced by Public Security Bureau officials to sign pledges a
#95 if there is any truth to this story speak to the zambian consulate in bejing.
#95 How are you guys treated there?,is it like Moscow?.
Zambia has been sending a lot of students to China for studies now for a long time. My thinking is that whoever studied in China must have learnt how the Chinese do things not only what he/she studied there.
It is what these students who studied and are still there KNOW ABOUT THE CHINESE WAY OF DOING THINGS that I am interested in. Does anyone know whether our government has taken time to utilise such human resources to borrow ideas of how we can improve somehow in areas we are lacking?
#92 Ubu FOURNTEEN!
Yah you guys in china, how are you treated ? Are the chinese women fyobolable ?
It is good that we dont see each other. Its good like this. You can imagine the kind of assortment we would have. Some people writing good comments could be urgly, filthy, long, bold headed, fragile and all kinds of traits. Iam sure if we saw some people blogging here, it would remove the punch off their comments. Indeed it is good that we cant see our urgly selves.
#97 China is slightly better than Moscow.There are no skin heads in China yet.But the ‘Muzungu’ is still unfortunately looked upon superiorly.My brother it’s rough for the ‘Chifita’ all over the world.Let’s hope brother Obama wins than maybe the world can look at as slightly different.
There are 300 registered firms in Zed. As for the number of Chinese(s) we have, it is difficult to establish. But is often said chinese money is followed by chinese men and women. We have 500 chinese at Chambishi alone!!
Lets take one assumption; One Chinese couple (Man and Women) will follow a $10, 000. Assuming these 300 firm have each ‘invested’ $2 million…which come to an overall $600m from China. Do the maths…waalaa ..We have 60, 000 Chinese!!
#50 ndife,
rumor has it that a month ago burning joj dabliu bush jr made a very “private” visit to Lumwana”. heard from someone working there
Zambian opposition UPND HH is useless and is not presidential material. The young chap lacks experience and does not understand African politics. He is immature and above all he comes from a tribalistic ethnic group from southern part of Zambia. Therefore, Zambians do not such *****s who still believe so much in tribalism ever rule for you will regret very much. I think your opposition Sata is the most mature alternative choice for Levy. I have followed Zambian politics for quite some time now and have lived in Zambia for over 15 years. So i know what i am talking about!!
I totally agree with you #159. Tongas are tribalists. Saki was frustrated from UPND when he was almost becoming the party president after the demise of Andy. These people are still very uncivilized and hopeless.
# 99. Anonymous how can you call a profesor a fonteen ?
Pleas brothers and sisters in China, you are not responding, ”how do the chinese act towards you in china ?” I need to know so i can deliver the same treatment inkind to them in zambia. A Zambian eye for a chinese eye.
#102 i agree with u lets hope obama wins it will us bantu a little respect.
People I hate to sound bitter, but I think its time we let foreigners in ZED know that it is our country! especially those boer bastards!,they think there still in southafrica rude to us zambians.
# 110 me i don’t play with mabunu. One time at katondo street some bunus were fixing slot marchines and being courious as i do electronics, i stopped to see what kind of repairs they were doing. Then one bunu starts shouting at me to move on and mind my own buissness.
I pointed out to him my country is my bussines Thats when i expolded and incited all the katondo boys to nearly lynch them. the were actually saved by the police post there.
Bunus are infact very stupid, and what to treat all black pipo like how they mistreated the blacks in SA.
hi shushushu.
Some chinese treats us as slaves am telling you though they don’t do it physically.For example when you sit in a bus they all run away from you;if you are lost in the streets and you are black you have to know the way by yourself, no one helps.Even in the University where some of us are,we are not given things as stated by the government(for those of us on scholarships)The scholarships covers for everything but we are made to pay for the rooms and electricity.its bad am telling you.these people are just good like that bad they are snakes.Since I came to china i’ve never heard of any positive thing about Africa specifically blacks.If you are black in China you are nothing.
# 112. mmtj
Thank you for taking time to let us know. We have been blindly kneeling for them in zambia while our breatheren are mistreated.
Why don’t their leaders take time to educate thier pipo about blacks seeing they are getting so much from us.
2moro i am going out to look for chinese.
From now on chinaman in zambia to me is like a piece of 2ve.
#113 Dont forget those boers while you are at it ,many thanks.
#112 You may be right about some of what you ve said, but I beg to differ with you on one point that these chaps run away from us becoz we are blacks. The truth is that the chinese consider every foreigner to be ‘very foreign indeed’ its a cultural trait which like so many things about them (like spitting anyhow)refuses to go away. You will be surprised to hear that I have some muzungu friends who have complained of the same – chinese standing up instead of sitting next to a foreigner; except it looks bad for blacks coz they seem to be in the majority on buses. But like many things, there are excpetions to every rule.Next time beat them if they dont help when you are lost…
Guys on race ,please read the great chain of being or Hams curse!.
scholarship are made to pay electricity! well.. to my knowledge its not only black people that are made to pay but also people of other color!! so lets not demonise the chinese.. instead we should work hard to earn the respect that we think we deserve!!
i stay in china too! i think the way the treat us bad is not because we are black but because we are africans and have nothing positive to show~ chinese people only appreciates progresive black people…micheal jordan, Lbj, justin catlin, to metion but afew…when micheal jordan visited china in 2004, alot of chinese spent sleepless nights outside beijing airport waiting to have a glimpse at the lord of basketball!! my friends to not deceive people to make then think that chinese are savages!! why should they respect an african from a poor country anyway? why? what have we done to deserve that respect? back home, how do we treat poor people?? ?? somebody mentioned that students on
All pleas don’t get me wrong, i am not a rascist, or tribalist. But i belive in treating pipo the way you what to be treated.
I have no problem seeing our pipo being servants. They have nothing better to do. But i have a problem with bunus misstreating Blacks and deniying them accsses to places they frequent. And chinese and Indians keeping Blacks delibaretly out of the loop. If it is done in india or china or SA, no problemo. But if it is done in Zambia, then i think it is a big issue. Thats why Sata nearly won.
i understand were you are coming from why should we be treated like 2nd class citizen in our own country?,indians,boers they have got it coming.
shushushu u r very right! im headed for zed in few weeks time after spending 7 years in china..im not saying chinese people are good people neither!! as blak people its high time we stopped treating people equally! we should unit and strive to uplift and support each other…. we should stop buying stuff from indian or chinese shops but rather buy from our zambian brothers that own shops???
shushushu u r very right! im headed for zed in few weeks time after spending 7 years in china..im not saying chinese people are good people neither!! as blak people its high time we stopped treating people equally! we should unit and strive to uplift and support each other…. we should stop buying stuff from indian or chinese shops but rather buy from our zambian brothers that own shops.
#122 good call spread the word,lets only by from zambian shops.
Doctor, you are mentioning celebs and I think thats the worship they get wherever they go.At the 2002 world cup in Japan/Korea women queed up to have a glimpse at David Beckham even if he wasnt the best footballer at the tournament for there was the likes of Louis Figo, Ronaldo, Rivaldo to mention only but a few. I dont live in China but I dont agree with you. I dont think people should be treated based on their levels of success but on the basis that they are human beings. I think thats the cardinal principal anything less than that is inhuman. If anything you are just confirming all the bad people have said about the chinese. Unless they can benefit from you dont exist. Is that right?
#105 Koffi Kampala, I strongly disagree with you that a persn needs political experience to ascend to presidency. Infact there is enough evidence to suggest that Sata just wants to boost his personal ego not that he will contribute anything positive to the nation. We need a person with focus an relatively modern. Seriously speaking having a president who is 70 and above on the day they assume office is very ridiculous to put it politely. I am Bemba and I would be very reluctant to give Sata my VOTE. Of the two I think HH is the best. Look at the late Mazoka(MHSRP)what political experience did he have in 1998nwhen he came on the political scene? HH is educated I think thats where to start fro
Koffi Kampala, I guess you are not Zambian. When we need your 15 years experience stay in Zambia we will ask you. For now I feel just read and decist from posting comments that polish finished materials like SATA. We need to move away from independence and concetrate on development. SATA takes us back to chachacha. No, no,no,no,no. We dont need him. I just hope that the new constitution will put the upper limit since we already have the minimum limit. Sata is no presidential material either. Between the two I think HH is the beter one unless maybe Clive Chirwa joins the race or any one better than HH for now I am afraid he seems the best choice
#105 when you talk about sata having experience,”Generic term” good and bad?,HH is educated that’s a good starting point.i dont know about his tribal politics.
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I listened to HH on let the people talk yet again and I think he has got what it takes to lead this country. Talking of experience one Human Resources person told me that “experience is nothing but a collection of mistakes” if someone has a different opinion about this observation come forward. What experience do you need in politics, experience to do what? If experience counted for anything, how come Presidents still need advisors and what is the use of a cabinet, all you need in politics is managerial skills which HH has in abundance and what can we point to that Sata has acheived with the so called experience if he can go on record and say PF is nothing without me, there will be a…
contd 129… vacuum without me. You see for people that support Sata, they shouldd advise him that decampaigning your friend using tribe, lack of experience etc will not sell, McCain is now sweating because they thought destroying Obama on that score would sell their party but guess what now they are turning green with envy because of the press coverage he has received on his european tourm they have been waiting for a week for him to say something that they would build on but up to now nothing. HH has integerity and that is precisely why the old fashioned politics of PF (mud slinging) have failed to bring him dowm. Guys HH has 75% my vote at this stage.
“In tune with the Nation” – UNIP CAMPAIGN SONG.
TREAT EVERYONE WITH POLITENESS
EVEN THOSE WHO ARE RUDE TO YOU,
NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT NICE
BUT BECAUSE YOU ARE NICE to them..
-unknown.
“One Zambia, one Nation.”
i love HH and voted for mazoka in 2008 but i was disappointed with UPND’s 2001 election aftermath and after andy’s painful demise! The way the party treated sakwiba was just nasty… pure tribalisim!….by the way im bemba!
Viva MMD! viva unity! viva Mwanawasa
correction 2008=2001
# 121 Doctor I hope you are doing great….great thoughts there on the chinese. One thing people outside of China must know is that these people, indeed like any culture, have their own lens through which they look at life and make judgments. Davinci disagrees on the point of the chinese raising respect for celebrities – its good he says he does not live in China. But the truth Davinci is that money and anything that seems ‘rich’ is worshiped here probably even more than elsewhere. The mystery comes in when that ‘good’ thing comes from Africa where ‘nothing good is expected’. So I agree with Doc blacks must earn their place in order to be heard anywhere, not just in China
This relationship has is one sided, Just because you are an african, these people will always call u the black ghost from the dark continent. Hundreds of Zambians are being deported from China because of Visa problems, of which the Chinese are more liberal with the South African’s the guys at the embassy here r crap, they do nothing for the Zambian citizens here, unless u r a government sponsored student, little do they see that there are those who are self sponsored and those doing business between the 2 continents, they cannot help, all they know is drinking at the san li tun bars and harassing young zambian females and yet they cannot ask for better terms mu relationship,be smart GOZ
#108 when u see these guys in Zambia say to them, “nikan huang ren” cover ur nose pliz do point so they can see u. if they speak english, pliz ask them, why the only shower twice a week, spit makolala kwatikupema, why they fart in public without regard for others,see them walking towards u, let everyone around u know that a yellow man is coming in thier lingo by the way, “huang ren laila, or you can say “La wei lia le”(my pips here in zhonguo give a direct translation for those unfamiliar with the hanyu) or u can ask the taxi drivers not to stop for them, even worse, just follow them without saying much and stare like u have just seen an Alien or pay kids to yell out loudly, la wei lia le!
# 137 My man you are having it rough there! But hang on, it is a matter of time and you will be out. For the time being, I cant imagine how it feels to live in such an environment. It must be worse for blacks in highly developed western nations after all the history of slavery, aparthied, oppression, colonialism and all such injustices on africans as a result of colour of thier skin. Back home, isn’t it absurd that we continue fighting each other based on the differences in tribe despite the fact that there is so much common amongst us than tribe. Our people were sold as slaves for Gods sake! and here you are this or that to your own brother. Stop this rot.
This world will only begin to respect us if we promote the best within ourselves. If we develop ourselves, we will not only prove that we are just as good as others, but that our prosterity is in our own hands, God assisting. We’ve no less brains than others. We are as capable as any other people!
40 years of self Political rule is not enough, worse we are yet to free ourselves from economic colonialism. The odds against us are huge, but there is nothing too great that, a determined, resolved and united people cant not overcome. For now, yes, we may be looked at as improved versions of animals but we know more than that. What we see, they cant see!
Just for illustration, take the Nine provinces of Zambia. Given that each province was given autonomy and self rule, you will discover that tribal differences will emerge even within each such Sub-region. Even if these sub-regions were further subdived into smaller self rule super subiregions, even at that level, there will be this ugly monster called tribalism. I hope this makes some sence in showing the insanity of tribalism. The earlier we realise that there is more that is common amongst us than the differences that that identify us the better for us as a nation, as continent.
Just for illustration, take the Nine provinces of Zambia. Given that each province was given autonomy and self rule, you will discover that tribal differences will emerge even within each such Sub-region. Even if these sub-regions were further subdived into smaller self rule super subiregions, even at that level, there will be this ugly monster called tribalism. I hope this makes some sence in showing the insanity of tribalism. The earlier we realise that there is more that is common amongst us than the differences that that identify and separate us the better for us as a nation, as continent.
#129 “experience is nothing but a collection of mistakes”,fantastic statement.
I wouldn’t worry about the Chinese and stadium building. Something like 85% of the world’s concrete is poured in their country. Unbelievable progress. There is something to be said about their efficiency and attention to detail. I am confident that the many smart Zambians can work with the new “sponsor” and with some forward planning capitalize on the future possibilities for our beloved land. As far as their home politics is concerned, I have never heard anyone display any concern for problems such as racism that are endemic in the West.
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Northerns are thiefs that causes tribalism,they should also be reported to animal rights group for eating monkeys!.