A Lusaka based social development consultant David Kasuba has supported the call not to hold the presidential by-elections
In a statement released to ZANIS, Mr. Kasuba based his arguments on the 1996 constitution which he said currently bars most of the presidential candidates.
He stated that the supreme courts correct and authoritative interpretation of the parentage qualification clause introduced in 1996 to bar Dr. Kenneth Kaunda from the 1996 elections, has in fact disqualified all Zambian citizens born prior to 24th October 1964.
Mr. Kasuba said the current presidential candidates were not born in Zambia, legally speaking, because they were born before Zambia came into being.
Meanwhile an opposition political leader in Kafue has urged the MMD government not to forgo the presidential by-elections but allow the constitution of the country to give direction on the way forward following the demise of President Levy Mwanawasa.
FDD Provincial Information and Publicity Secretary James Musemuna told ZANIS in Kafue today that the government has the duty to protect and safeguard the constitution .
Mr. Musemuna said suggestions to forgo the presidential elections will set a bad precedence for the countryHe said it is important that elections are held so that the constitutional requirements are fulfilled.
Mr Musemuna stated that the issue of money should not arise as government always sets aside a supplementary budget and donors have already shown willingness to assist the country in holding the elections.
ZANIS/YS/MK/ENDS.
Nonsense and the man is supossed to be a consultant
Nonsense!!!!!!!!!!
Ba Kasuba iyo kwena!
Come what come may,we are voting in November….The people have spoken…The constitution stands…
Sata is n sky fm.for those hu wana litsen.
These rapists of the constitution.
tell us who the unqualified candidates are and who is the qualified as pipo pa zed are very good at talking & writing and if these two items were by chance economic development we would have developed to the standard of USA.even the LAZ tell us what the constitution says about who qualifies to stand in November.
Yes I agree, RB is S/Rhodesian so does not qualify as per our 1996 constitution!!!!
….see what is going on now. Iyi constitution iza nkala navi gamba va serous!
If we were to look at most Zambian only a hand full will qualify as native Zambian, but not potential presidential candidates.
So if Obama was a Zambian born citizen he wouldn’t have qualified to stand for Zambian presidency because the father was Kenyan te? Ama rubbish!!!
That is mad thinking.Confused counsaltant ataa!
Who are these fools who we have never heard of who suddenly jump up and start making noise? THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF ZAMBIA MUST BE ELECTED IMWE! It is not optional
It it so dissapointing we still have people like Kasuba calling themselves consultants with that kind of thinking. Where did he get his qualifications from? I also wonder who his clients are.
Nonsense!!!!
This by election must be held as per the constitution even with all it’s flaws.The fact that we still don’t have a constitution written by and for the people of Zambia is the highlight of levy’s 7yr legacy.One would have thought this would have been the core of his leadership and competency.RB belongs to the old school (UNIP)and certainly has nothing to offer.I hope zambians everywhere will stand up & stop the MMD.Enough failed,corrupt leadership.We need more pragmatic and inspirational leadership.Alas,Andy K Mazoka is gone!!!
come wat may, elections are a must. Everyone knows tht democracy is expensive and must face the effects of our decision. in close referrence to our past, it can’t be justified tht presidential by election will be expensive. so, come what may.
Ba Consultant!. People with Primary School certificate want to be legal experts and consultants. Kawalala iwe. time waster!Either go to lake mweru and fish or Go back to school.
we have to vote the president of the republic of zambia,not nosense.
Ala bane uno mwaka tulevota ee……………. I love this song. Its like in Zambia we have very good pipo who are good at manipulating issues. The issue of the Presidential by elections are straight forward. MMD kuya bebele.
ataa ba kasuba dont be foolish!
useless consultant
Now thats an interesting thought…Technically speaking, they may not be (according to Mr. Kasuba) but then again Zambia and Northern Rhodesia are one and the same thing…so they are all eligible to contest the bye-elections…
there goes our Bemba colleagues. Foolish Kasuba!!!!!!!! Who gives such chaps the platform to speak? I blame such people.
ba tata ba kasuba!amano na yapwa.how do you just come on the scene and show us your low level of thjinking.you should be serious if you want to make money from your consultancy company.you are your threatto your customers.iyee,uluse!!
Finally – I was waiting to see when this issue would be raised. Not because I support or dislike any candidate, but the selective appropriation of laws when convenient needs to be done away with. Even according to Wikepedia, R.Banda was born in Zimbabwe. These are the same laws and arguments that were used to bar KK from the elections in 1996, since he too was born before ‘Zambia’ as we know it came into being. Some of the people in office back then supported this action just to bar KK, and some of these characters are still in office now.It will be interesting to see them change their stance now and articulate what has changed to justify overlooking these facts.
Since discussions were tribalistic in the morning, mutundunshi Kasuba kanshi imwe?
BA KASUBA, for heavens sake, if you want society to respect you,can you prove some degree of sanity in you.even if you favoured rupiah has promised you some shelling a constitution will always remain that.i gues even in you company has some regulations.if u are at liberty to change them any how,this is a country,not ur company.and zambia for that matter,not zimbabwe.thanks for airing your view but it sucks………………….
What type of nonsense is this. and you call yourself as a consultant? Nigga pliz!!! Give us a break. And who gave this nigga space to speak???…Hey people did u watch Faith Kandaba’s National Wtach last night?…She is very unprofessional!!
The reaction to the statement by kasuba has just proved one viatl point:
Truly intelligent people are few. Alas the majority are dunderheads
Who can dispute what Mr Kasuba has said is wrong. #21 what do you mean that ‘Technically Zambia and Northern Rhodesia are the same’. Impossibe! For you to conclude as you have shows how terribly brainwashed you are.
‘logical observer’ what are you saying in essence?
Nangu ni freedom of speech, nomba nashikwete ifyakulanda are making statements when they become bored. Ba kasuba amano kwati bushiku. Kalale iwe!
i meant to say Nabashikwete
iwe chi pompi
What is wrong with what he has said?
so #28 from Bots, what are you saying? who is qualified to be the president? Castro Chiluba?
The GRZ through the current Vice President and Judiciary have a duty to make sure they uphold and defend the 2006 Zambian Republican Constitution. To this end, let us, Zambians, as law abiding Citizens scrutinise who and who does not qualify to participate in the coming Presidential-bye-election of our country in November 2008.
Please, LAZ help out in this matter seriously.
IWE CHI INCREDIBLE
What are you talking about?
Because if RB, Sata, HH, KK, etc. don’t qualify, then who is going to run the country? Who is under 43?
Both my parents are not Zambians, I was born in Zambia and live in Zambia and this is the only country I know and have know and I have never even visited my parents country and can’t even speak Portuguese. All I know is English and the Zambian constitution says am not Zambian enough to be president. Why do Zambians punish me for something I did not have a choice over. As I baby I did not choose where to be born. Why did Zambians pass such a constitution? Or her intellectuals allow it? Please somebody comment. I have had this issue since I was born and I feel it is unfair. I can’t go to Angola because I just can’t function there. I know about five Zambian languages and none of Angolan langs
I dont remember voting for this???Is it not some stupid law brought in by these fools in Government???
Ba Kasuba are you a zambian and do you have children?You sound gay.Have you even ever passed through night school?.You call yourself a consultant in which area of social development,I hope its in KACHASU GAZZLING?MY 2year old son is therefore a better consultant atleast in farming.
The simple statement he has said is that their was no Zambia before 1964 and therefore according to the 1996 constitution no one currently contesting would claim to be of Zambian descent.
How can you claim that you were born in Zambia before 1964? Very rubbish statement.
No one before 1964 was known as a Zambian.
#28 – What I am saying is that the elections need to go ahead. The Chief justice and all those who accept the nominations should be as ‘impartial’ as they were in 1996 when choosing those whose applications qualify to stand as president according to the law. Those found wanting should be eliminated – regardless of who they are. That is the rule of law. In my personal opinion, I think some people in MMD were so bent on ‘continuity’ and protecting their interests that they did not measure their candidates by the requirements in the constitution. Only by popularity/other measures. Hence the panic that has now set in to try to avoid elections or do this and that, fearing a comeback may fail.
No. 27 Who is Faith Kandaba?
And which channel was she on?
Such A Clown………..#7 you’ve got it spot on
so utre #39 what do you suggest? who is under 43 years of age to be qualified? and how will avoiding elections change the fact that RB is not qualified? do you suggest we just allow an unelected president to rule the country simply because the consitution is flawed? what relation are you to RB?
Logical Observer
If they were impartial, none of the then candidates would have contested the presidency.
Non were Zambians before 1964. Can that be clearer than that. Do you see sence?
Voting is a must.Whoever thinks they can manupulate our constitution should go to hell.Just like Kasuba
exactly Mr. Nice Guy
Mwilatusebanye ba kasuba
total rubish. shut up if you have nothing to talk about. We are voting.
In fact it’s irresponsible to even suggest calling off the elections. It could lead to some very bad places.
incredible
The gist of the issue is that the 1996 law was not a practicable law in relation to the issue of qualification particularly in reference to the issue of descent.
The fact it was particularly targetting the exclusion of one person, Kaunda, also if impartially carried through have barred everyone else, as long as they were born before 1964.
In short, it was an unjust law and yet incapable of practical application.
# 27 You are right Faith Kandaba is a useless interviewer I have ever since.We need pipo like Ben Kangwa,Frank Mutubila.Iam really disappointed with Ci Faith.Kasuba you are very dull like this Faith.You can make good couple.
Only a fool, by all practical purposes, can claim to have been born in Zambia before 1964.
The most important question to Ask is. Who is a Zambian? and then Who qualifies to be Zambian? and then filter it down to who qualifies to hold constitutional office?. then Who qualifies to be nominated or Elected to be President of Zambia.
You have the answers from the Zambia constitution and the recent 1996 Amendment which centered on Citizenship and presidency… The Chiluba Constitution targeted at Kaunda.
In 1964 Zambia was born..and Citizenship was granted to all those Born before 24/10/1964 in the land called Northern Rhodesia and all those who had lived in Zambia and wanted to assume Zed Citizenship.
Simon Zukas is a good example of those who naturalized/qualified at independence.
#50 utre I take your point, however the relevant issue is the election, not the finer points of the law. If you can’t make any constructive suggestion then your only effect here is to try to divert attention from the real issues. What is your motivation for doing so, if I may ask? Alternatively, what is your suggestion for Zambia’s way forward? Thank you
This is what Mr. Kasuba is saying, how dull can we be.
Pipo help here,Kasuba doesn’t know what he’s talking about.But can anyone pliz help us here,what does our constitution say about RB.Is the man Zambian enough to be eligible for elections as president.What does the law say about him having been born in Zimbabwe?I mean KK was barred in ’96 for having Malawian parents though he was born in Zambia.What about RB though of course he’s unlike Dean who in ’96 hadn’t spent 25 years in Zambia.
Awe sure
What I am saying is that lets not play FTJ kind of politics.
Let no one be excluded on the basis of where they were born. If they are Zambians, let them contest.
Otherwise, we as a Nation will be such an embarrasment.
Can somebody please provide me with Mr. Kasuba’s credentials… i have never heard of this consultant
Northern Rhodesia and Zambia are 2 different countries all together. Most of our parents were born in Northern Rhodesia before it became Zambia. So according to this guy, what we need is a person who was born after 1964 as a presidential candidate. Sounds cool to have a young presido like Joseph Kabila!!!
Everyone born before 1964 was just adopted to be a Zambian. Other wise by birth, most of these old chaps are not legally Zambians
hahahahaha
Rupiah,if elected president,will be the third oldest president in the world after Mugabe and Wade. What retrogression!Fwebene were on the right track of making history and setting good precedence.Alas now we bring in Chaff from political archives.Its so sad and disheartening,to say the least mwandi.We were always being told that we were the “future”leaders but this is the very future and old guards are hijacking our era.I call upon the younger generation of mother Zambia(18-48) to vote wisely and deny our Grand fathers from making a dubiuos come back.
#55 Utre you are the dull one, read the FIRST SENTENCE of the article… that is what he is saying
Shut up Iwe chi consultant. . . . . Iwe galu!
I dont how old you are, but can you read between the lines?
We all know power is sweet, but please let us vote and differentiate ourselves from other African countries like Zimbabwe. Therefore, no consultant, lawyer, retired old shoe politician will deny the people of Zambia the their right to vote. This is not debatable.
gentlemen we want to get rid of MMD and then this so called consultant comes up with these statements, SHAME. VIVA DEMOCRACY VIVA SATA
#25 kasuba nimu bemba aliye nzelu
I don’t think anyone is arguing about the fact that the law passed by FTJ and his friends was an ill conceived idea,whose far reaching effects were not examined. But the fact is this law will still apply in the next 2 months or so to those who will stand. The chances of the constitution being ‘corrected’ in this time period are almost Nil. Maybe whoever will win will start thinking more seriously about the anomalies in our constitution which LPM’s death and the subsequent confusion that has ensued, have exposed.
#53, your posting has provided some insights into citizenship issues that I think many people here did not know about.
#36 go back to Angola and learn your language my friend and you can stand as presdo of that country not here bwana. Here once a foreign always a foreign. TAKAPWA!
Please dont listen to all the rhetorics.The law of the land is above board.we are voting come what may they can shout on roof tops,mountains,scotch carts,bars,even at embasy park, within 90 days voting takes place in Zambia full stop.
The reality is that Chiluba left us a lame duck constitution. And we used to pressure Mwanawasa to conclude the new Constitution as soon as possible.. But alas, like any other politicians who only think of themselves delayed it and we now have to hold by-elections which could have been avaoidable by having a running mate.
Since we are here.. Let us follow the constitution and on thing which should go ontop of Zed priority is CONSTITUTION WHICH MAKE ZAMBIA A CIVILIZED AND LAW ABIDING COUNTRY. Constitution which all Zambians will be proud of and no unfair segregation. I use fair hear.
Sata is on radio on 104 FM (Sky FM).
Many countries right now are laughing at how poor Zambia is in making decisions. we are failing to make decisions even in situations where issues are straight forward
I wish we had intelligent Lozis in these high offices who do not play with people’s time in making decisions…
Or maybe if had our fellow Luvales from northwestern up in those high offices…
Bembas are crooks, Tongas are dull, Chewas claim to be wise yet they left 5000ltrs of fuel go to waste…
Kasuba “consultany” lets make vaible contributions and dont’ bring things that you hardly understand, at least HK #53 has given us a better explanation. I feel pity for your clients kasuba you can be a danger to society.
Rupiah Bwezani Banda, or RB as he is affectionately known, was born in Gwanda, Zimbabwe on 19th February 1937. The son of Zambian migrant workers, Bwezani and Sarah Banda, RB spent his formative years in Zimbabwe.
Kasuba is no factor, the voting goes per constitution…. period.
iwe chi #72 Walikwatako utumano.ala tuleufwa kuli bakateka besu. pabwato…….
Who consults this same Kasuba? Mind you as we draw near the elections there are a lot of IMIMBULU (Wild dogs) who want to make a kill by being fake consultants and Kasuba could be one of imimbulu.
incredible
If you are able to read between the lines, you will see that he is not saying that elections should not go ahead.
The issue he is raising is about the queries that people are raising about Bandas Zambianess.
This is what led to that clause on parentage to be included in the 1996 constitution by the master dribbler ‘Chiluba’
Yet on a correct interpretation of that same clause, all were excluded and yet only one was a victim.
I other words, dont try to use it as an excuse to decampaign others, it is an unjust law and impracticable.
#73 Just shut if you have nothing to say. You think this country can only be run by one tribe. Tribalist.
Imwe bankusa, ngabalesha ka gwai abanenu inchito shikapwa ala. You don’t know that your friends emo balila nabo. Ngashapwa inchito abanenu mukabasunga? mu lifisushi ala ba kwindi imwe fintufyenu.
I think all you people contributing on this forum should read the articles more than once before you comment. mr. kasuba is simply calling attention to the fact that the constitution shouldn’t be written to suit a small group of people or to disadvantage one person, as was the case in 1996. read, think and understand before u pass u comments with emotions and no brains.
#53 How I wish majority of people commenting here were thinking like you are thinking right now, we would not have most of the nonsence being posted here…
Dear friends,
Forgive him, AlIPENA. I think he is a grade four drop out he would have had senses to reason enough had he seen himself in grade 7. This is the way madness comes, it doesn’t knock. Whether MMD is coming back or not we still have to vote, PERIOD!!!
BTW: Where has he been all this while only to appear today? I don’t
even know him, any of you here heard of him? KAPONYA… ati
consultant…hehehehe!
alaba kateka balanda pa SKY FM.Tulewina. pabwato….
WM, was Sara Banda, an immigrant Wife also. We know that most migrant workers never used to go with there wives.
#80 Very shaaaaallow minded…
Tonga Bulls Stand UP….
#73, Uli Nkoko iwe, from the sound of your thinkin, I feel you are LOZI, jst becoz you think like Kasuba, dont assume others are like you! Kolo Kombwa Iwe. grow up
Hello guys! Let us talk with knowledge. All the candidates qualify on the issue of citizenship. Here is ARTICLE 34, section (3):
(3) A person shall be qualified to be a candidate for election as
President if-
(a) he is a Zambian citizen;
(b) both his parents are Zambians by birth or descent;
(c) he has attained the age of thirty-five years;
(d) he is a member of, or is sponsored by, a political party;
(e) he is qualified to be elected as a member of the National
Assembly; and
(f) has been domiciled in Zambia for a period of at least twenty
years.
Its very unfortunate that sky fm is not on coppernet site. We are missing out on what Sata is Vomiting or sorry talking about in Mazabuka.
UNZA Momma so you think you have brains? For crying out LOUD… Read this:-
“A Lusaka based social development consultant David Kasuba has supported the call not to hold the presidential by-elections”
What does that mean to you, that’s the headline chi momma iwe foolish!!!
Iwe Kasuba…go back to your farm and make sure next time you sell it all to other people…it is making you consult on consultant too much…
ma rubbish iwe Kasuba!! Keep quite if you dont want to vote!
kasuba is mad and a desperate job seeker,what is zambian and not?
mwalipena tata.
Bwanji mbuya kasuba? You have been roasted here. sometimes refuse to say something because at the end of the day you will be subjected to public scrutiny, ine nimakana kuima kusogolo kwa kamera nakusegula kamwa.
#89 you are the one who is a Blue head. Go and climb up the tree.
Kasuba just tell us what your real name is. Nganiwe ng’wang’wazi wa ku Congo,shut up. Real Zambians especially with such names don’t support nonsense like that.
When the nomination day comes, all Presidentail candidates will swear that they fullfil the conditions to be nominated to stand for presidency as listed by Advice #90
Between now and the nomination date, the Electronic and print media should take an opportunity to profile all the Candidates.. What we call REVEALED.
Let the candidates answer questions also on live debate, if they grow cold feet to face each other, We can bring them one at a time and the they answer in that order.
Who is really a Zambian? When did this entitiy of land become ZAMBIA?.I bet Kasuba has in mind that before 1964, there was no political border between northern and southern rhodesia and nyasaland. According to my social studies, history and geography, the whole entity of land was called federation of rhodesia and nyasaland.So who is REALLY A ZAMBIAN? If we strictly follow issues here, only people who were born at mid night october 24th 1964 and there after qualify to be called Zambians.Yes the name N/Rhodesia applies to most of the land now called Zambia but the two are not one and the same. The constitution must be repealed in many areas not just the presidential or citizenship clauses
#97 and #89 concetrate on the subject at hand pliz
#90, for arguments sake, all the current presidential candidates may not qualify as their parents were not Zambian but British protectorates.
# 72 Kapila, thanks for telling off #73. Lets not bring in tribalism in this equation. Remember we are ‘One Zambia One Nation. Is it possible for somebody to post sata’s talk on you U-tube pliz? We want to listen to what the potential candidates are saying. By the way, does anybody know why UNIP is not contesting these elections? Is it because RB is the same as having a UNIP candidate. Mayo,If that is the case, we are going back. Why don’t we elect the tonga bull for president (HH) this time? We have been recycling politicians, it is a very bad strategic move.
# 73, Just in case you are wondering, am not tonga by tribe.
Ta.
#97 this is not shangombo, we are dealing with interlectual matters, if you have nothing better to contribute just shut up. Who says tonga’s are dull? Lets not bring tribes here, just contribute to the issue at hand if you have brains!!
The problem in Zambia is that we have lots of people of David Kasuba’s type who think like squirrels. Its better you keep quite if you have nothing to say.
What?
God has already appointed a leader for us whether young,old,experienced, inexperienced. Gods appointment is the best lets do our part by voting.
Meanwhile lets respect and support the current leadership, no abusive language. Remember even if no one is seing you, you are judged by your action. lead a blessed life. God bless you.
Imwe bantu musiyeni the guy was only thinking out loud and the media noted it down he didnt realise that he had actually said it he was in lala land am sure we might question as in who is really zambian by our current constitution. It is rubbish that both parents have to be zambian some people in Zambia are descendants of Shaka does that make them S.African.
I can see Levy has really left us a legacy he wanted a constitution that will stand a taste of time and these are issues that need sorting out at the end of the day someone from the grave would have archieved what they set out to do.
Shame!!!
Iwe Kasuba you want to come out witty amonst all of us. How long did you wait for this opportunity to make this statement? In as much as you HAVE a point, your statement doesnt hold water, rather it has no significance. Sure in this political crisis we are facing all you can say is that the candidates arent zambians. Elo palat ati nine KONSULTANTY, UKO KWINE……
To qualify to stand as President the requirements in the Constitution are that candidate:
(a) He is a Zambian citizen;
(b) Both his parents are Zambians by birth or descent;
(c) He has attained the age of thirty-five years;
(d) He is a member of, or is sponsored by, a political party;
(e) He is qualified to be elected as a member of the National Assembly; and
(f) Has been domiciled in Zambia for a period of at least twenty years.
What this chap Kasuba is saying is that a ‘Zambian’ is person who whose parents were born in Zambia ie after 24 October 1964. So all of you chaps who were born after independence and have children then your children are eligible to stand in the by elections.. That it make sense to you..??? You don’t have to answer if you don’t want.. No rewards for the correct answer..
#36 John you are standing in my very shoes. The same story applies to me, I actually didn’t even qualify getting into the Zambian army because my surname is just not Zambian enough.
what utter nonsense!!!
There is actually merit (form a legal standpoint) in what Kasuba is talking about. It makes sense but is entirely impractical. It is like saying my parent and their parents before them who grew up in colonial Zambia (Rhodesia) are not Zambian. But Kasuba is right in saying the law enacted in 1964 could be mistranslated. But Kasuba fails to realize that “Zambia” as presented in our not-so-adequate constitution refers to all things Zambian, Rhodesian era or otherwise. It was a good attempt an academic endeavor but too rush to be substantive.
Go easy on Kasuba, no need to insult him. As Zambians, we look at other people’s views and weigh them on their merits. If we disagree, we respectfully
but kwaliba abantu eeeh. who is this Kasuba, that is the problem of freedom of expresion, pantu some people would just issue damning statements like these, ba pompwe aba
#92 ci kozanobrains, u have just proved me right. u r commenting on the headline not the content of the article, shamefully dull indeed. did u miss all your comprehension and composition classes at secondary school or you just didn’t reach that far. bt don’t get me wrong i don’t expect grade 5 drop outs like u to be able 2 comprehend well at all. take some night classes ok. thats just friendly free advise. then u might be able to read(the whole article), think(which seems hard for u to do) and understand before you comment. good luck
Why is it that everyone who feels like insulting or use vulgar language uses Bemba? Is it true then that Bembas are crooks like someone said it on this discussion that Bembas are crooks and Tongas are Dull? Because what I have read so far makes me want to believe this. Voters be so very careful, think twice before you cast your vote for someone from this side of the Country. Seriously think about your children growing up in such an environment polluted by insults, no respect for the elders etc. No wonder we still have old politicians ruling us – the thing is we are not yet mature even if most of us were birthed after the so called independence day!
ANYWAY AM NOW MORE CONFUSED ABOUT THIS SOME LAW,AM A ZEDIANSE YOUNG LADY I MARRIED A FOREIGNER AND I HAVE CHILD WITH THIS MAN SO NOW YOU SAYING MY CHILD IS NOT A ZED KID?PLS TELL ME THIS KASUBA IS CONF CHAP
HELP US LORD TWAPAPATA.
Mwana kasuba this is not a mornchy governament where you just picked on the street and become a king.stop thinking like a grade one pupil.
Maguys this is what happens when we have a young generation that is forcast on blogging and drinking.the old and the outsiders will continue ruling us.So let us get our behinds up and start doing the ground work i.e being responsible citizens.
The name is Kasuba (sun) but the thinking is night (ukushiku.)
Logically speaking, If the MMD want to forgo the elections and bestow a president at no cost at all, the the ‘second’ presidential aspirant from the last elections should take up the seat. After all, he was duly elected and not selected by one party.
Let us also bear in mind that SATA was the ‘legitimate’ and duly elected president and that only because the system ‘robbed’ him of that seat. So now, it is only fair that he continues from where he was supposed to have started.
Kasuba’s reasoning is very bitter to digest and accept that it came from a person claiming to a Social Development Consultant. My foot! His reasoning is to costly and retrogressive to be entertained. Is he trying to say all persons born b4 24th Oct, 1964 are not Zambians b’coz prior to that it was called Northern Rhodesia? I can smell something fishy here. It appears these guys calling for the forgoing if polls are now busy hiring the unrecognized chaps to busy yapping in order to bring confusion as they work plans to rig while the opposition will be busy defending such undemocratic assertions! I don’t trust Katele and the rejoining of VJ!
# 116 Unza mooma
We have children who are accessing this blog and let us try to be patient with them.
I was initially shocked to hear the views of most bloggers on this issue under discussion.
You will notice most dont take time to think before submitting thier opinions.
Forget about the chap, just pick those that seem to be serious.
It is sad that we have guys like like Kasuba claiming to be a consultant and yet is able to allow himself to think so low the way he has shown. Why is it that a person is called a foreigner whenever he seeks for a higher officer? No wonder we are very much behind in our development. Zambians, shun the services of people like Kasuba because they are a hinderance to the Zambian spirit of unity and peace. See where FJT has led Zambians.
pure cat rubbish..mudala grow up!
Who can tell me the defference between ZAIN and CELTEL? is it not the same mobile telecommunication company? Who told Kasuba that after independence the borders of northen and southen Rhodesia were redrawn or redemarckated? or were there any land which did not belong to Zambia that was added to after independence?
Bakasuba that is the most redulours point i have ever heard from someone representing a sunshine. You must change your name to dackness.
#118. You should have read the laws before you married ‘the foreigner’ Your child is a foreigner and nothing can change that. And why do u call yourself a young lady when you are a mother and a married woman at the same time?
Ba kasuba amano kwati ninkoko, You’re a disgrace to the society and shame to the human race.What a parent.
# 127 Think Tank U r dull…ZAIN and CELTEL are different…wrong example…otherwise good logic!
I feel for the mans clients.
We should scrutinise this Consultant’s educational background because his statement lacks reasoning!
IT IS SOMETIMES WISER TO KEEP QUIET THAN TO TALK BECAUSE THAT WE U KEEP YOUR SHALLOW MINDEDNESS TO YOURSELF
This ‘consultant’ must have his brains checked he must have a virus in there stupid! Nonsense!!!!
ZAMBIA WHAT WAY FORWARD
At independence all those under the jurisdiction of Northern Rhodesia become Zambians….so RB, SATA , Kaunda etc are Zambians…
Ba Kasuba where were you in 2006?
Kusuba, ok tell us which part formed Zambia at that time, before 24/10/1964? Supposed these were born in the central part of Zambia, they still are not Zambians? Tell us what the bounderies used to be at that time and also tell us exactly where these guys were born.
if HH and Sata won’t work together we can be assured MMD will win. in my own point of view. these guys should document they agreement let Sata rule just upto 2011 and HH take over.
Kaunda was barred on the basis that his parents were not born in Zambia….RBs parents were born in Northern Rhodesia (ZAMBIA)…SATA was born in Tanzania and RB in Zim…bt the parents were born in Z so they qualify!
I think that while the man, Kasuba, had some reason to say what he said. It must be understood that the term ‘Zambian’ refers to belonging to territory, Zambia.
Note that the physical territory has not changed, it is just the name that changed.
Otherwise if to be Zambian means to be born after 24th October 1964, then all those born before 24-Oct-64 are not Zambian.
This would mean that no one, according to article 34 sec.(3) part(b), is qualified to stand for presidency at the moment because even those who are above 35 yrs and born after 1964, will be disqualified on the basis of their parents.
But I think here that ‘Zambian’ refers to one belonging to this territory,..
Viva # 139
Nsale Nsale chinkamba ulesa abawama…Say what u wanna, do what u wanna Tule voter and one is taking off guess whoooo???
Now guys tell me, if one buys a plot and builds a one room coz at that moment they have no money and after sometime they build a better house, who will be the owner of the same. How do say some of the candidates should not stand coz they were born before indepence which by then was not zambia but northen rhodesia….guys tubeko serious with our thinking ka….twi iposa
#134.Bwezan thumbs up!…bakaSuba sure.how can you say that they are not zambians.its still the same country despite the change in jurisdiction.
TELL US YOU PREVILEDGED ONES WHO LISTENED TO THE FUTURE PRESIDO ON RADIO. WHAT WAS THE TOPIC AND MAIN POINTS, PLEASE.
“Banda was born in Gwanda, Southern Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe); his parents had come from Northern Rhodesia to find employment prior to his birth, and he was sponsored by a local Dutch Reformed Church preacher (and later, the family of B. R. Naik) to continue his education into adulthood. He became involved in politics when he joined the youth wing of the United National Independence Party in 1960. Banda married his wife, Hope Mwansa Makulu, in 1966 and the couple has five sons together.”
In 1996 Kaunda was barred for the same reasons. How does the law then change in this case. Rupiah is not Zambia, therefore he shouldnt be allowed to stand. This is very serious.
maybe kasuba is a consultant of dogs.
# 127. Good example. Educate him.
Ka so call UNZA mooma what do you think is special about you.Is he your Father
#120 I agree with you. It appears these old folks are taking advantage of our being less proactive. We seem to preoccupied with other activities while we leave out important issues affecting us. We need to stand up and do the best for our country as youths. We need to rule!!!!!!!!
I advise all of us to patiently re-look at comment #111. The data on there is enough to indicate that as long as one’s parents are Zambian by descent, and them themselves are Zambian by descent or birth, then they are free to stand for President of Zambia. To this end, please stop panicking and focus on the elections at hand.
I have noticed that there are people who like commenting before they even read the articles. Please could we always first read, think about the article then give a comment other than just insulting people any how like visionless snakes. No offence plizzzz!!!!!!!!!
What the consultant has said is true, this was pointed out in the early days when some MMD senior cadres were advocating for the baring of Kaunda and any of his kind.Then it seemed a credible thing to do now it is utter rubbish.
What ever the case maybe,RB is too old too outdated for the morderN political platform.The people surrounding him are equally short change for the role of national leadership. Magande was a fair balance but not the best alternative.This is the new Zambia where people vote with their stomachs and not with a futuristic informed mind.So the likes of Banda fit in perfectly..shame.
kasuba amano ni mbushi me, me, meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
PF policies on Media, HEALTH AND IT FOR ALL ZAMBIANS…after 17 yrs of failed MMD misgovernment operations, Zambians deserve better than another five years to MMD rule…Here is what Sata will do for you:
. PF policy on THE MEDIA in Zambia
The PF believes that a free and independent media is the cornerstone of any democracy. To this end, the PF government will:
• Ensure that the publicly owned print media is privatized.
• Effect the Independent Broadcasting Authority Act within ninety days of taking over power.
• Enact the Freedom of Information law within ninety days.
• Effect the ZNBC Act to ensure that ZNBC operates autonomously and professionally within ninety days.
• Ensure th
viva sata.
imwe
What a consultant you are Mr Kasuba,if you do not want to vote just advice your family members who benefit from your consultacy to stay away from the forth coming polls because I can not benefit anything from what you have said and so are others who have spoken before me.Money is not an issue,if anything stop the NCC and diverge funds towards election.Mubwato emo tuli,Viva PF.
Kanshi shilen abana ba teke
Leave Bwezani. He is so quiet. He has received enough abuse from the Post. He has not responded to any provocative shouts, very smart of him. However, he has been very economical with words. Still waters run deep, a person you want to underestimate?
Maganda could not have been chosen. Magande was sent as chief mourner to the provinces. Any clever person should have known that crying with Moureen (bama, bama)and kneeling before her in public would not have helped when political manouvres were taking place in Lusaka. Hang on, … a new chapter is only about to begin.
akasuba nako kabalikisha. it will burn the constitution.
Who is this so called Kasuba , am sure he is not Zambian and is a boot licker. I cant believe such dull people exist in Zambia. He is a shame to humanity.
#154 It seems you are a journalist hee!!!! All you talk about is the enactment of broadcasting and all. How about other policies
Bwezani looks dull.
Now this is typical of Zambians. We have a thorn issue at hand which requires our heads to be put together and find an agreeable way forward, while on the other side people are busy exchanging bad words. Now it’s about who has done comprehension & composition at school and bla-bla! People learn to up-build one another and stand in unison when faced with such predicaments and not name calling. These are national issues and bedroom ones which u can handle the way you deem right, NO!
“A Lusaka based social development consultant David Kasuba has supported the call not to hold the presidential by-elections”.so call UNZA Mooma what does the above mean.it seems you did a lot of English much better than all of us.how can you come out saying all you people.Just because you are at UNZA it does give you that right.You should go see the alangizi for manners.mwaiche kwata amano.stop embarrassing yourself.Just go study
am in the BOAT enjoying myself
kasuba.were u on heat for u to say kasuba.were u on heat for u to say that.foolishthat.foolish
RB will today afternoon 19 hours news announce that voting will be on 30th October 2008. Remember KK addressed the nation on this same day for the last time as President in 1991. It is cursed day for the ruling party. We hear HH has hired a plane to start his campaign starting tommorrow.
And just some words of advice: Bear in mind that Politicians are cunning creatures. You’re made to believe they can deliver, just because they speak so and very loudly for that matter, but come practicality, u will get a lengthy explanation as to whey failed usually pointing to bureaucracy.
Vote wisely. Good luck
just keep your mouth shut if you have nothing sensible to say. consultant fishi!
26. your flag mambo DN… you can talk hey,,, anyway its a good onehope they do read this
sorry, meant to say,kasuba were u on heat for u to say that.foolish
NOMINATE me then… born in ZED… Both parents born in ZED…
Remove Ba Banda…
Village Mwanamankhonyo Chief M’shawa… Enough proof Ba vi puba!!!
After rummaging through many boxes of rotten tomatoes, I found out the name of the invisible MMD presidential candidate. The trade unionist chap Kaumba is a criminaul and the one who was dreaming of becoming president.
#145. Ifi Ndasokolola,
RB is Zambian. You see, any person whose parents are Zambian is Zambian regardless of where they were born because, automatically, by descent such a person is Zambian.
Equally, his/her parents are Zambian regardless of where they were born as long as their parents too are Zambian.
So if one’s grand parents were Zambian implies one parents were Zambian by descent, and so one is Zambian.
Article34 section(3) part (b) says:
(3) A person shall be qualified to be a candidate for election as
President if-
(a) he is a Zambian citizen;
(b) both his parents are Zambians by birth or descent;
…
lets talk sense ba kasuba. people expect alot from men like you who can have access to media.
chi kasuba that’s rubbish. this is the so called consultant imagine!! Go to hell kasuba. you re really a disappointment to me. which school did you go to? i say rubbish!!
Authentically speaking, she is not from UNZA!
Mr. Kasuba with due respect stop confusing yourself! What u are saying is purely based on foolishness rather than logical and intelligent reasoning. You are a sensationalist and a product of ‘confused thinking’. C’mone breath in slowly coz I know u haven’t lost it completely. AAaagh!!
#138 Bwezani, Dont flip and lie here: Sata was born in Northern Rhodesia today called Zambia in Chalitulika Village in Mpika District.
One of his parents could have come from Tanzania hence the TAG munachusa. Sata is silent on this one. But linguist can help by tracing the name SATA. where is it common, in Tanzania, Kenya or Zambia.
by the way, there are tongas in Malawi, and kaunda is traced to the malawian Tonga.
What the hell is that Sexual development consultant talking about? Ng’anga are not consultants, they are witch-hunters. In old days they used to burn them, and in our modern Zambia such people are supposed to be locked up.
mulabeniko
#115.yes!!!! have reaiy seen that u can realy talk sense,keep it up man u have speech.
Why do we even debate about this when the constitution is very clear? We are governed by the constitution, it may have holes but before it is amended, it stands out to be our guide. I think money should not be an issue here when barely five weeks ago the same ministers wanted big increments.
The answer to our problems lies in us, giving ourselves a constitution which harness all the best of Zambia heritage. We should attract our children born outside Zambia from at least one Zambian parent. Even those born in Zambia from non Zambian parents should also be confered the citizenship. A country which does not recognize the human to be the biggest development resources will never achieve much. Genetic diversity is healthy and cornerstone of human survival. Zambia need to build on these genetic diversity to find solutions of diverse complexity.
Mukanzi pulizii!! RB is not Southern Rhodesian. He was only born there of both Zambian parents and since we do not have a USA constitution which stops foreign born citizens from becoming Presidents of USA, RB qualifies to become President of Zambia. Ha! Imwe bantu caba shani kukamba mongati FTJ Chabala Kafupi.
Ba kasuba,amano ni we mwine olo ni freedom of expression,ala muleya tekaco pansi.stupid
Where is Patrick Katyoka, Is he dead or alive?- Him and Mushota petitioned KK on the Citizenship issue and Kafupi FTJ even signed for his deportation.
anyone who was a northern rhodesian b4 24th oct 1964 automatically became a zambian at independence. if u were something else. e.g. a malawian like KK , u had to renounce your citizenship, then apply to bcome a zambian. KK didnt do this, thats why he is not zambian. if RB was southern rhodesian, he did not automatically become zambian. so it is possible for someone born b4 ze independence to become zambian. as long as they were northern rhodesian. federation ended in 1963 so southern rhodesians were not northern rhodesians and therefore not zambian.
#189 – BJ,
You have got some reading to do,
or if you have read then you need some help from some consultant on legal matters. But please dont consult Kasuba, he will mislead you further.
Advice, what do i need to read? wasnt KK declared stateless? why was that?
KWINDI
Constitution! constitution!. Do you think every Zambian understands the constitution. Do you think this peice of paper has greater meaning to the person in the village or in the street? The problem is people who do not think spend a lot of time talking instead of acting/doing something sensible. In the end, they remain in the same position eternally. Zambiab people need raods, schools , clinics, etc.. and not that piece of paper you call a constitution. Stop wasting time by talking too much and do something productive to change the lives of Zambians
BJ,
KK was not disqualified because of his citizenship but because of his parents citizenship.
Both his parents were not born in Zambia(northern rhodesia) if you like.
So, KK was Zambian by birth, but his parents were not zambian, i.e. neither by birth nor by descent.
RB was born in southern rhodesia, but his parents were both by birth and descent of northern rhodesia, thus RB is Zambian by descent.
Why should this be difficult?
ok , understood. hope fyachine!
Viva Kasuba. You provoked good debate on our constitution making and adoption process. Lets re-examine this all the time and constantlty renew ourselves.Viva Zambia.
#81 I love your bemba, you remind me of my good days in Zambia, any way am coming home in November to cast my vote Viva PF
Oh bamambala ba LT you can now trace us from the countries we are doing the postings ok we shall work around this one.
Most of our media institutions are a sham, Why cite such a person who does not have any authority on the subject matter. Why can’t the media interview numerous academics we have in Zambia to shed light on these issues. Some of these views being expressed are highly misleading to most of the Zambians starved of knowledge. How can one say that people born before independence are not Zambians? Why did’ t the media as him on the court rulings over the subject. why did’ t the media clarify with another source eg a lecture in History, Law or a Lawyer or a retired judge
SORRY WE ARE VOTING ON 30 OCTOBER. SHAME ON YOU KANDILE
hard times, # 199, its bcoz pipo who have crazy things to say have well connected sponsors who make sure they r given a platform. usually the crazy things said e.g. by kasuba benefit someone or some group. who is benefiting from kasuba’s mumble jumble? remember how during 3rd term debates chiefs managed to find themselves in lusaka and on tv? who sponsored their trips. ya!
Concentrate UNZA MOMMA you are lagging behind, just read and stay zee if you have nothing to contribute. You wont die a fool. You must be mad too…chainama iliko mummy
Really Ba Kasuba! Im Speechless
Imwe ba consultant (another word sometimes for an unemployed professional) just research on why there are so many prostitutes in Zambia, including political ones – which probably includes you. So all the people who are born in Zaire cannot rule the Democratic Republic of Congo because they are still citizens of Zaire. So who is going to be President? Ulachiswa?
Number 189 wayesako. You must be some rag tag bottle store lawyer somewhere.
So, Kaunda was a foreigner despite being born in Northern Rhodesia (Zambia) because his parents were from Nyasaland (Malawian). RB is a Zambian qualifying to be president even if he was born in Southern Rhodesia all because his parents were Northern Rhodesians by birth we assume. So a lot of Zezulus qualify to be Presidents. Ama politics you buunga no munani!
Bombohclaat! Weh him a talk ’bout?
what does the constitution say about someone who was born in another country like R.B.
Does he qualify to be Zambian president?
Hear the man out before critizing him. It’s either the constitution doesn’t make sense or people choose to disregard it, which is illegal under the law. No one follows the law in Zambia anyway!
#189, was KK born in Malawi or Nyasaland? I think the citizenship issue in Zambia has played to the big disadvantage of the so called indegenious zambians who came from nowhere but found themselves in zambia. Look at football, how many white chaps or coloured or indian chaps do you see playing. Except for Ellen whyte, the swimmer who owns dou citizenship. You should take a leaf from nambia and south africa who have integrated the white fellows in the system. I have a problem with the constitution. Suppose someone renounces his/her citizenship and aquires zambian citizenship, what village or chiefdom does that person fall into considering that the NRC needs to bear such “vital” information?
I bet the blogger who asked for Katyoka and Mushota has very good memories as its these two loyas who petitioned for such a clause all in the hope of blocking KK from standing and they indeed achieved their purpose. But for many zambians, the clause has infact blocked many young sters who may have been born in zambia yet thier parents were not. Look at america and see how it has prospered. they dont look at where you come from but what you can do for america in terms of increasing its wealth.
Kaunda was the youngest of eight children. He was born at Lubwa Mission in Chinsali, Northern Province of Northern Rhodesia, now Zambia. His father was the Reverend David Kaunda, an ordained Church of Scotland missionary and teacher, who was born in Malawi and had moved to Chinsali to work at Lubwa Mission. He attended Munali Training Centre in Lusaka (August 1941–1943).
Kaunda was a teacher at the Upper Primary School and Boarding Master at Lubwa and then Headmaster at Lubwa from 1943 to 1945. He left Lubwa for Lusaka to become an instructor in the army but was dismissed. He was for a time working at the Salisbury and Bindura Mine. In early 1948, he became a teacher in Mufulira for the U
#212, having posted this piece i got from google wikipedia, i would like to find out if in 1924, Zambia existed or its Northern Rhodesia. If KK was born in Northern Rhodesia yet he still remained a foreigner,then those saying people who were born in northern rhodesia became zambians at independence are lying to us. tell us the truth as our current constitution was tailored to suit individuals not the masses. Thats is why the late wanted a constitution that was representative and good constitutions dont come that easily, REST IN PEACE LPM
Chiluba later attempted to deport Kaunda on the grounds that he was a Malawian. The MMD dominated government under the leadership of Chiluba had the constitution amended, barring citizens with foreign parentage from standing for the presidency, to prevent Kaunda from contesting the next elections in 1996, and Kaunda retired from politics after he was accused of involvement in a failed 1997 coup attempt. In 1999 Kaunda was declared stateless by the Ndola High Court in a Judgment delivered by Mr. Justice Chalendo Sakala. A full transcript of the judgment was published in the Times of Zambia edition of 1st April, 1999. Kaunda however successfully challenged this decision in the Supreme Court of
Imagine some one wakes up in the morning and tells you that you are not a zambian? the problems between zambian and malawan names is deeply engrossed in the intermarriages and also the lack of clear cut traditional boundaries. E.g. the chiefs do not recognize political boundaries as can be seen by the ceremonies where other chiefs are invited and also succession ceremonies where a king maker is in congo while the king to be made is in luapula, or mozambique while the gawa to be is in katete.
I want to understand one thing from the 1996 constitution, suppose a woman marries a non zambian, have children in Zambia,which nationality do the children fall into? does it mean that such children will never be presidents of zambia? I would rather the qualifications of a zedian president be revised. We need health to be part of the criteria too, level of education, grade 12 is nont enaf. atleast a bachelors. masters or phd is an added advantage. on issue of parents, atleast one of the parents must be zambian not both coz some zedian men are not handsome thats why women end up marrying others just like some zedian ladies ni n’ganga sutu. teti utemwe ukubyalamo imbuto yobe.
kasuba!!!!!you are a useless and wrong person to advise the nation over such issues.you are suppose to be in zimbabwe beside mugeba.
Whatever this man is on, gentlemen ist very good, try it.
constipated ideas.useless arguments
Kasuba is thinking from the wrong end of his body.
ifya busushi, ata!
We shud not give someone who has forgotten his brains in the bush a platform to speak such nonsense. Why didnt we bring up the same crap with Chiluba, Mwanawasa etc?
Pipo, What about the way The Post handled the issue of RB and Magande? was it in a fair manner?
Those statements by the consultant are somewhat ignorant. I rest my case.
yah, i bet the mungomba constitution will be adopted. it offers better provisions than this 1996 cooked up staff all in the name of blocking super ken.
bakasuba your name and thinking do not match coz you are not akasuba but imfifi.So your name is no longer kasuba but mfifi or bushiku.Shame on you!!!!!!!!!!
Might I suggest that we look at the relevant sections of the constitution and/or Supreme court ruling that the article vaguely cites before we condemn Mr Kasuba to death? He does raise an interesting point which ought to be clarified or at least explained away in authoritative terms. It is entirely possible that in the mad rush to exclude KK from eligibility, we might have been left with constitutional clauses that could be interpreted beyond the ‘spirit of the law. If that is indeed the case then such clauses need to be reviewed and revised with some urgency. If indeed Mr Kasuba is merely scaremongering, then the condemnation he has earned here is well deserved. we need facts.
#227, you are rite, the constitutional amendment done in 1996 was a hush hush to bar KK from contesting, but this only makes those zambians with non zambian or one zambian parent to be excluded from standind as the article 34 stipulates that both parents must be zambian.(3) A person shall be qualified to be a candidate for election as President if-
(a) he is a Zambian citizen;
(b) both his parents are Zambians by birth or descent;
(c) he has attained the age of thirty-five years;
(d) he is a member of, or is sponsored by, a political party;
(e) he is qualified to be elected as a member of the National Assembly; and
(f) has been domiciled in Zambia for a period of at least twenty years
most creatures crucifying the “SUN” have not read what he is refering to and this is the problem of zedians, most pipo dont want to read but will straight on go to condemn even if they dont know what they are condeming
#229 world over. pipo don’t read but jump to making comments.
People like Kasuba should know that speaking without thinking is very poisonous! He has himself to blame for the ‘shootings’