Radio Ichengelo Station Manager, Father Frank Bwalya, has denied charges that he incited members of the public to rise against government.
Father Bwalya insists that he has never told anyone to go to the streets to demonstrate against government during broadcasts on his community radio station.
He maintains that during a live programme last Saturday, he merely suggested that the country still bad laws which needed to be changed to facilitate free and fair elections.
Father Bwalya explained that during the broadcasts he had said as long as the bad laws are not changed, Zambia will never hold free and fair polls.
Father Bwalya was arrested on Wednesday for among other things suggesting that the October 30th poll was fraudulent and the government of President Rupiah Banda was in office illegally.
He is scheduled to appear in court soon.
Meanwhile, A Ndola Senior Citizen has advised the catholic priest who has been at the centre of the post presidential by-election debate to calm down and focus on issues of spiritual guidance and peace building than inctiting people to start behaving in a manner that could cause lawlessness in the country.
Mr. Humphrey Ngulube told ZANIS in Ndola this afternoon that Father Frank Bwalya who was a clergyman should never abandon his God appointed role in society of spiritual guidance and moral rearmament which God has called him to.
He said the leaders of the church were peace promoters and their conduct should always be in the light fostering harmony among the people as opposed to taking political sides on issues that had the potential to divide the people and retard development.
He said as a father in the largest church in the country, the priest needed to know that he had the potential to cause pain in people’s hearts and lives without necessary intending to do so as demonstrated by the riotous behaviour of some people when they had about his arrest.
He said the father should concentrate on the preaching of God’s word and winning people to the cause of God as opposed to wanting to ferment a problem that could lunge the nation into economic, social and spiritual turmoil.
He said Zambia was a haven of peace and that record should not be broken by behaviour that if avoided would help in strengthening the harmony that exists among Zambians.
Mr. Ngulube advised Father Bwalya to take his personal grievances to the electoral commission if he was aggrived and resolve them with competent authorities who have been mandated by law to handle the electoral issues. He said inciting people to act against the law was illegal and should not be entertained especially by the glory.
ENDS/CN/PK/ZANIS.
#1
Nothing will happen to you dont worry. Its just that people wanted to show loyalty to RB. they will now all go to sleep.
God bless you padre, be strong
Nangu acite deny bakamukaka achilamo Chi…mba chakwe. We do not want anerchy in this country. What kind of kama priest is he? He should be defrocked. Mambala!
It’s wrong to say that christians should only go to church read the bible , pray and go back home and sleep.A christian should stand and say the truth of what he see is right or wrong.Stand up children of God and speak the truth.well done frank and God is own your side.
Did he really incite the public or was it his statements which are being construed as inciting the public? Anyway as # 2 points out someone wants to show loyalty. Or is it a job seeker?
Bane, I am crying for the third time. What is Fr Frank denying having said?
Help! Amuutwe! Amutelele biyo!Ndiyanda kundigwasja basa!
People of Zambeziland (Zedians), This indeed looks like a very important point of discussion but, what did Fr Bwalya actually say in his programme that ignited this tension? Could some one state three or four actual points that threatened the peace of the country?
Pity that I can neither get Mongu radio station nor radio icengelo. I am relying on you people on the ground in Motherland.
God bless us all.
first of all I would like to ask Fr. Frank where did he his studies to priesthood. Does he know his role as a pastoral Minister?
From Jacob, Pretoria
If this priest was ordained, who ordained him?
#4, you are a coward.know your rights.A priest is a person like you, with the same feelings and emotions, above all a Zambian with the rights of expression.
Has he forgotten his Moral ethics, Pastoral Ethics, Ministerial Ethics? how poor was he in class to forget so easily?
#7 Chanda musyalike
I have noted your request. If you can give me your email address on my cell 096-6984082 I shal send you audio mail of what he said and be your own judge.
as a zambian i know my rights and Fr. frank knows his as a zambian citizen but what about his profession is he mad to forget his prfession as apriest?
iwe ka Jacob wakosapo shani? He said the truth the elections were not free and fair.What is wrong to say the truth? you wanted him to lie?
You know being a priest is not like just to become like herd boy in the bush. he is educated, and to become a priest is not just to have mere educated person. he knows what canon law says about secular and religious matters.
fr bwalya pray for RBB he is my Uncle
this Priest should be arrested for he does not know his right as a professional man.
@ 7
thats the point- all he said was bad laws need to be changed and according to our esteemed leaders that is inciting violence!!
DEMOCRACY IN ZAMBIA is a SHAMBLES! now they are curtailing our civil rights to supress contesting views!
#17.RBB is my elder borther, how can he do that to my bro.?
Leave the man of God alone,he was just expression himself.Fr Bwalya just pray for fire to come down from heaven and burn all those who are stressing you.Iam behind you sir Bwalya
#18. bane tiyeni tipange vintu vanzeru apa. so you are saying that fr. frank with his upside down mind is right to bring violence in the country?
@ 17 jacob banda
so you are saying that he should be arrested for suggesting that some bad laws should be changed? Are we going to be living in a society where the government can not be criticised?
#20. I’m a man of God also i know what God wants, he does not want fire from heaven, that was an old law, now we are living in the new law, we need peace in the country not temites to disturb our nation and poeples emotions. he is not educated enough.
#17 Fr Bwalya is a priest well as Journalist. What does canon law say about religious and secular matter? pls help us.
Keep it up Fr.Bwalys. The man that was in front of all your victimization is now the IG (Inspector General of Police). What a country? Alelwisha akapoto.
#22. I do not deny criticisms, but the manner in which he used was not proper according to his profession. himself first of all is a man of God how can he produce such unintellectual speech?
@ 26
Fair enough, but do you think that it is okay for the government to arrest people just because they dont like what you said?
Buya Jacob Banda nawikuta Imbeba Iam glad to hear that you are a christian,don’t you think that God is the same and he will remain the same with him there is no past or present.Yes I agree with you we need to continue enjoying the peace that we have been enjoying all along,but please talk to Abanda to do something about the prices of commodities.Banja latu azafa kunjala.
because if thats the case then as Zambians we should be worried because the curtailing of civil rights on sows the seeds of acnacrchy and civil war and it is the governments duty to uphold the principles of human rights, not supress them!
#24. ok fine but it seems he has lost his focus as a priest. he should not confuse between a career and a vocation. him now can not distinguish between these two, he is now in the net.
#29. Listen miss president, fr. frank has already separated himself from the secular world by becoming a priest . tell me according to you should he become politician or he continues with his profession?
@31
its beside the point talking about him being a preist (maybe he shouldnt be discussing politics), however the issue at hand is simple, this man was arrested for expressing an opinion and EVERYONE should be concerned if what happened becomes a precdent becuase we will then be living in a Police state like Nazi Germany or under KK!
#28. nakamba nawo kudala so vinthu vonse vili che mushe.
you shall see in the near future.
Bwalya is a mis-guided youngman who as a former Chair of MISA-Zambia should have known the limitations placed on journalism practice by professional ethics and the laws governing the media in Zambia.
#32. I according to my knowledge Nazi was concerning a group of ministers but Frank he is alone unless there is a movement of priests who are pushing him to misbehave to that extent.
#33 Zikomo kwabiri mbuya Hope amudala aza cita lead mushe.We had chance to rule you,unfortunately wedissapointed you.We started stealing Goverment properties and other pipo’s wives What a shame.Bembas are behind you buya.
@ 35
you haven’t answered my question.Should people be arrested for having an opinion, simple yes or no will suffice.
Mungu a mbariki Rupia Bwezani Banda ili awarule watu wa inchi ya zambia vizuri na apate baraka sana za mwenyezi mungu.
Mulungu adalitse zambia yonse kuti yikhale ndi mndele. may God bless you all and gud9t.
@39
whats the matter? cant back up your position?
where are all the MMD/UNIP cadres?
I can’t understand why some of you people can’t reason well. When you say he’s a man of God, does that make him less human, if your rights are not respected how are you going to survive. Remember how Jesus helped his community, what allegations where rised against him? Think twice…….
Let’s call a spade a spade.
MAY GOD PROTECT FATHER BWALYA FROM ALL THOSE WHO WISH HIM HARM:
Ba Faza, tekanyeni! Remember,your foremost duty is to serve God.Leave politics to politians!
Iwe chibwi Jacob Banda. Be realistic we are not happy at all. Levy was not free in CB simple saying
Father Bwalya Keep your head high we are behind you…
uncle F.Bwalya dont worry fisanga abaume abanakashi fibakumanyafye. #35 when you mean speaking the truth,you dont need to form a group,it is just the matta of using common sense and if you cant see sense in what he had said,that is your problem.Dont be alergic to the truth for it is only the truth that shall set you free.”By the way do not fear those who can kill the body & not the soul”.
Iwe ci Jacob Banda utisewanya…nkhala ce ziii kwamene ulili. What do you mean “becoming a politician”(#30)? Should one become a politician in order to point out a wrong in the affairs of a country? Re-construct your argument you dullard. What type of “man of God” are you when you want Fr.Bwalya arrested instead of advocating reconciliation and forgiveness.
you have got to understand as catholic priest you cannot separate the welbeing of the people to spiritual matters, he has duty to speak for the voiceless. you can just be saying let us pray and shout alleluia when the people are being abused by having a leader they did not vote for but because few individuals rigged elections. senior citizen ngulube you less informed and hopeless let me tell you, being concerned for malpractices zat affest the people does not mean it is being involving in politics. actually you dnt even know wat politics mean. ulimbwa sana ubupuba ukokwene.
Those are saying he should be preaching the word of God,what do you think he was doing? why should he keep quiet when people are suffering,when injustices are happenig day and nite.Dont be cowards ,come on men
I know Bwalya, he is better than Bemba man. Now you have the opportunity to preach to prisoners anout bad laws. We are behind you in this fight. Peace PaZedi.
You bloggers mwilatuka shimapepo. If you continue, I will personnely catch you. I know most of you are pretending with nicknames here. Umuchinsi pele abena chalo.
Jacob (Yakobo) you need a reality check. But I would like to focus more on the issue at hand. This incident involving the priest from Ichengelo and the government should serve as a sign to the RB administration that their peaceful days in office are just but very limited. The people particularly those in the Copperbelt are not happy with the lies and stealling of elections. If history has anything to go by, RB should look back at what institution and magazine removed KK from office. Chiluba can attest to that. My advice is STOP victimizing people. STOP shutting down the peoples voices. That priest understands the pain and suffering people in the community are going through. WE need CHANGE
#12 Kelvin Rats, thanks for offering to update me on your cell phone. Nilibe kamupeze bululu. Ndi mi internet cafe. if you able to quote anything from Fr Frank’s programme I would appreciate.
#18 Miss president, thank you too for letting me have a glimpse. Did Rev Fr Bwalya state any of the “Bad Laws” that he was suggesting need changing? It would be interesting to discuss this pertinent topic with quoted to the articles in our Zambeziland Constitutions. If these ‘bad-laws’ are enshrined in our own Zambeziland Constitutions I wonder if they hold the same meaning for Shikapwasha, Fr Frank and the Kitwe residents.
I am so sorry to hear of Fr. Bwalya being victimized of his truthness. I do not see why soemof you guys on this forum must even be debating with Jacob. God talks to all and Fr. Bwalya was right and let the people know what is due of them.I would wonder how you would respond to the priest whom has asked all those that voted for Obama to seek redemption and refrain from taking part of the Holy Communion. God forbid and who is the worst enemy of human service then?
Fr. Bwalya must be supported. Look at the reaction of RB towards magande and Masebo.
#5.TIGER I do agree very much with you and thats the reality people should not think a priest is just that to talk about the bible.Politics are part of the church, he had to speak out for the voiceless.He did say the election where not free and fair all he said was that the law needed to be changed to have free and fair election otherwise all the time after election will always be talking about rigging.We want that to change we want people when there getting to plot one are everyone is confident that the person won clean. #24 TK the thing is give to cesaer what belongs to him and to God what is his.#8Jacob Banda it doesnt matter were he studied he must speak what is right which he did.
Why are people saying the elections were not free and fair? Just because the party you support did not win does not deligitimise the results. All parties were free to campaign. There was no voter intimidation like what we saw in Zimbbawe. Results were posted outside the polling stations. International observers felt that on the whole the results were a reflection of the Zambian voters. Admittedly the turn out was low but that is not the fault of MMD. One of the reasons that Obama won in the US was due to the fact that his party went out specifically to ensure that their supporters came out in force to vote. Maybe there should be a lesson there for PF.
It is quite hilarious how people support the priest simply because he is a priest. As somebody has already priests and nuns were involved in the Rwandan genocide. Priests have been involved in child abuse on a trully phenomenal scale. Just because someone is ‘a man of god’ does not mean you can not challenge what is coming out of their mouths.
Fr Bwalya’s broadcasts have found fertile ground bcoz his programme is aired to a predominantly PF audience. But why arrest someone who is simply calling a spade a spade. And I know that the police knew the consequences of their actions. When the people decide, how many people can the police arrest; how many bullets can they fire. It’s a disgrace that we should continue to have questionable elections.
You know what this reminds me of? In the bible, when Jesus was asked if money was suppossed to be given to Julius Ceaser…Do you remember that story? Remember what Jesus said? Give to Ceaser what belongs to Ceaser and God what bleongs to God?
In my own interpretation, I think Jesus was alluding to the fact that CHURCH and POLITICS are a BAD MIX. Fr Bwalyas case just says it all folks. As a priest I would rather talk about the homeless and the needy, than try and take sides during a very volatile period. I think he has the right to air his grievances, but he chose a VERY BAD TIME to do so. Plus personally, I think the clergy should be more cautious in their verbal execution..
Viva Fr Bwalya we are behind you,let those who support lies and all forms of electoral malpractice criticise him.Continue fighting injustice,it is good to be persecuted for the truth.
#57 Mbala Boy. I smelled a rat when RB was sworn in a ‘few hours’ after being declared winner, quite like Kibaki? Wound’nt you? Even the master dribbler FTJ never had such a quickie.
JOB WELL DONE RUPIAH ,NEXT SHOULD BE SATA THEY ARE JUST MAD IT AINT THEM.
President elect Obama is considering Hillary for a job as secretary of state while he is due to meet with John Mcain. The level of doing political business in the developed world is something our Tetas and Mulongotis should take a keaf from. Running after Fr Bwalyas wont get our country anywhere.
cosmas mwaba (joondalup Australia)
This shamless group of hypocrits called the goverment think they can press zambia downwards by holding someone who says the truth.RB should know though shall not touch my anoited he should be very carefull when dealing with men of God,why did david not kill soul in the bible coz soul was anoited.My God in heaven has heared the crys of the poor Zambians and by God judgement will previle.If RB was elected fairly God will show him the way but if he was not God will previle coz he is a God of order and fairness.I stand for the truth and no man has the right to press zambians down,i support father Bwalya coz he says the truth.STAND UP ZAMBIA
Fr should not disguise behind the pulpit while promoting his prefered man and fellow parishoner,Sata.We agree that our laws are not 100%, thats y NCC is sitting.but who Fr Bwalya to incite the people.Priests are not even as spiritual as their attire.We know wat they do behind wit nuns n town galfriens.My ex school mate is a priest,he tells me ifya mu Vatican n its an open thing how priests boose n defile kids, dont we also ve the right to suggest that part of the priesthood laws are not no longer working and not should be repealed to suit them.Where do priests get the HIV from?injections?
Dont portray to be too clean Fr Bwalya just because u are leading a church.
#64 NO ONE HAS BEEN KILLED HERE BAMBO SUP U CANT READ,DONT FORGET EVEN GODLY PEOPLE ERR BE OPEN MINDED AND ABT THIS GODLY THIS GODLY THAT WATS UP WITH US ZAMBIANS WAT DOES SATA HAVE THAT BANDA DOESNT ,THAT MAN SHOULD JUST MATURELY SIT IN HIS CHAIR FIND SOMTHING USEFUL TO DO WHILST HE WAITS FOR 2011 UNTIL THEN WATS THE WAY FORWARD ,THT FATHER I M CERTAIN RESTED HIS NOT SO PRETTY OPINIONS ON HEARSAY LEARN TO THINK ON YOUR OWN PEOPLE THATS THE ONLY WAY TO BRING DEVELOPMENT INSTEAD OF ATTACKING OTHERS OVER BASELESS UNFOUNDED STORIES.
Somebody please outline what Father Bwalya actually said which threatened the peace of the nation, please please – some four main points will do!!
Fr Bwalya is a PF member.People should be careful with Fr Bwalya because he has characteristics of Fathers that were in Rwanda before Genocide. Remember he is a father without children
#68 CAREFULL WITH YOUR WORDS
The first time i heard Fr Bwalya on radio, i assumed it was a PF cadre talking! Throughout the campaing period his radio shows were just about how Sata would take over after october 30th. I guess he is among the most bitter PF supporters! I dont think radio station are granted licences so they can broadcast baseless accusasions against the govt. He might go to jail if he is not careful and this is not persecussion!
mwandini father dont b intimadated by rb n followers.God is on our side.People r so scared 2 speak ANYTHING negative about this thieving govt.We supprtu.
Ka Jacob Banda be objective in your criticism. Your arguments are unphilosophically founded. Political Philosophy wasambilile walilila kumu no Bwali. What a Seminarian? The church is a voice for the voiceless.
Baby C not feeling well.anybody out there to wish her a quick recovery?
father dont worry thieves they even fear wind,and sometimes they fear their shadows they must be crazy.i know they do not know what they are doing.the problem is mr rupiah banda and his company its shame that they cant define the term ,politics….they need a grade 7 pupil to teach them.fr stay cool the lord is with you.
We are not RB supporters but we believe that we only have one Zambia and one nation where we are not called a foreigner.thats our land–Zed.We are sayn priests,journalists,politicians etc are not suppose to abuse their voice rights just bcoz the masses respect them.Great kings even in Bible fell bcoz of that.Whether we like it or not RB is the president of Zambia till 2011 if God allows.So where do we go from here as we develop the country.Not bickering abt PF and Fr Bwalya’s misleadn political views.Priests were guilty of the Rwanda genocide,we dnt want that to happen in Zed.Who knows Ichengelo staff?do u see morality?Is Fr Bwalya more informed than Rev Joshua Banda and Dr Joe Imakando?
Father Frank Bwalya did not tell the Zedians to riot and he was in cells that moment when these guys went on the streets and destroyed property.The father did not say bad words to entice the locals.
GRZ and the police under who? should not take Zedian for granted.
Viva H H man who does not believe in rude and shocking manners of arresting catholic fathers.
History is going to judge us harshily. It seems we don’t want to learn. There has never been in any democratic country for three consective election where you have been having candidates coming from behind, and late on winning the electons.
Lean to question. Fr. Frank is just sensitizing us, some of us are afraid to air our views hence you want to condem him, it is not right as a man of God he can’t just sit and wai when thing are not right!
We have seem how in the last two months radio chengelo under Fr Bwalya and the Post have waged a smear campieign aginst Government and Rupiah Banda. They have gone to extremes of becoming a mouth piece for PF. Alas even after thier champion Sata lost at the polls they have continued to dicredit the legitmate ruler and are inciting people to rise. If this is not treason we dont what is.
#73 Baby C
Too bad. get well soon. Whats the problem?
the elections have passed, they deemed free and fair by almost all observers excpt sata. all partes had full supporters at all poling stations, sata was even manning rd blooks harrassing truckers to check thier cargo incase they carried illigal voting papers.
Pipo like this paster are causing riots in CB. he should be jailed we do not want another rwanda in zambia ka.
If the MMD Government pardons chiluba with all the crimes he has comitted, i.e. Plunder, carlingotne maize, arms cache deals that Katebe katoto never delivered worth $20m. Then The Civic society, UPND, KK, PF should rise up and remove this Government. The cases have taken too long. chiluba was even boasting he supports a party that promises him something good like pardning. Atase Kafupi twanaka nankwe.
Politics have religious implications and religion has political implications. Father Bwalya you are caught in a cross fire, how ever my advice to RB and his stooges please be careful because the Jesuits, Marianist, Opus dei who are the catholic inteligencia are simply watching your government, they don’t forget and they don’t forgive. Mind you this will haunt you, they have in the past made kings to kneel or presidents like Abraham Lincoln die as he did.
Zambia, a backward country inhabited by backward people! Now that UNIP is in power again, RB and Kunda will start working on fixing the constitution to turn back the clock. The Post and other privately owned media will be shut down Zimbabwe style. Welcome back to the past!
#83 Chitapankwa
You are the very epitom of backwardness. Dont you know that almost all people above 50 were unip members. Your Sata was a very prominent member of UNIP.Does it mean that PF is run by UNIP since Sata was adie hard Unip FAN.
iwe chitapankwa, stop abusing our country.we are not a backward nation.Just because mwaba mu ‘slaverly’ economy, it means zed pple are backwards.thats so cheap mof u mwandi.iam very disappointed elo chankalipa mwndi.ah ah ah.maybe u are the one who is backward beacuse u cant even contribute to views abt Zed our forward counry.
George Kunda is actually very dangerous. He reminds me of Zimbabwe’s Jonathan Moyo, a former Minister of Justice and Professor of Law. He helped Mugabe frame draconian laws that have turned Zimbabwe into the backward state that it has become.
# 4, You have cursed yourself. No matter what Fr. Bwalya has done which you perceive wrong, just point it out. You mouth stinks!
Count your days, your are cursed!!! Let God make you remeber what you have altered when evil will fall on you. GOD PROTECTS HIS OWN!
#85 The truth is just that. Backwardness is a terrible thing. Even you cannot resist calling me a slave because your thinking is still backward. I suppose Obama is a slave in your mind because he is a black man in ‘a white man’s country’! In 2008 Zanbia is still having the same issues she had in the early 1960’s. I am afraid it is called backwardness!
I wonder what these some of our priests stand for? why should the church be partisan like the catholics? We know Sata is their member but they should be none partisan at all. These priest and Nuns in the Ruwanda genocied they were in the fore-front. And fr Bwalya inciting violence? what kind of a priest is this one? the priest is not God we are children of God but he must be punished for being part of the PF concipiracy to cause comfusions in the country. HE MUST PAY FOR HIS SINS AS A PRIEST
#84 Do not presume to know who I support. I have no fondness for Sata or any of the three misfits who put themselves up for election. May be I am the epitomy of backwardness, but then I was brought up in a backward country!
#78 YOUR ANALISIS IS RUBISH AND FROM THE SEWERS THE FACTS ARE THEIR AND I THINK YOU AND FRANK BWALYA YOU SHOULD HAVE USED FACTS NOT STORIES. SPARE AS YOUR HIGH IQ. WE NEED DEVELOPMENT NOT DAY DREAMING FROM YOU PF CADERS. GET OVER IT THE MAJORITY DECIDED WHO IS FRANK BWALYA TO INCITE VIOLENCE WITH HIS ORGANISED KAPONYAS? HE SHOULD BE CHARGED WITH TREASON MUKOBEKO PRISON IS BUILT FOR SUCH WEATHER PRIEST OF BISHOP THEY WILL GO IN. 1 PERSON IS DEAD AT HANDS OF PF AND 3 ARE IN KITWE CENTRAL HOSPITAL AT HANDS OF PF AND PROPERTY WORTH MILLIONS DAMAGED BY PF. WHAT ARE YOU TELLING US?
You only have to read about all the calls on this blog to string up the poor padre to know that Zambian are still a million miles away from debating economic, science, technology and all the progressive issues that Asians, Europeans and North American are grappling with.
priest should be non partisan and should b preachers of peace and not hate . i think he is a tribalist as well bembas will never behave whether educated or in priesthood ba chibanda God help us . lozi marry bembas so that this tibe is diluted or extinct haha
Chitapankwa you have good qualities of a Hog. Your arguments are ilogical. Shame upon you.
When will we learn that the role of a Priest is not only to talk of heavenly things but also other issues affecting the people in different aspects of life? Priests (catholic ones) are voices of the voiceless. Adelante Padre frank desafÃalos a los ladrones que roban de los pobres, sinverguenzas. Bon trabalho Padre
I actually think that the elections were free and fair under the circumstances. However, I do not believe that people should be arrested for merely raising questions about it. The quality of the debate amongst the ‘elite’ is sub-standard because any intelligent debate is killed off by a partisan, overzelous and largely uneducated police force.
it seems to be pips from one tribal affiliation who are not happy with the results. MMD won, period. Sata had vigilates at every point of the electrol chain. No rigging could take place. All diplomatic missions saw no irregularites only a vibrant young democracy with free press. Now that free press is being used by membe for personal attacks and comunity radio stations used to incite and demonise a GRZ voted in by the majority of zambians. When granting liscenses, the communications authority makes you sign agreements to the fact that the trannsmitted material will not incite violence. Sata will do anthing to get into power even drag us into a civil war. He thinks bembas are the majority.
i agree with #96, am sowi to say am nt impressed with u Chitapankwa.Zambia shall break through n dnt judge Zed just bcoz u are in a better world than our families in Zed.
96 you now coming back to your senses. Thats great! Be objective guys.
Fr Bwalya is wrong and you chaps supporting him don’t realize that pf supporters have destroyed people’s goods. You would have not been supporting him if you had lost your goods or had your shops rooted
Dear Bloggers, can someone outline what ‘State and Church and qualify what seperates them. It will help to discuss what ignited the Riots in Kitwe.
Were the rioters all from fr Frank’s Church and land of origin or people of varoius religious affiliations hailing from all over Zammbeziland who felt unheard through the peaceful ballot box!?
There is no need for the govt to use teargas, blows, threats etc. It should ask itself Why, why, why, are people agrieved.
Fellows, stop comparing our beautiful peaceful country to countries like Kenya or Rwanda.Issue between is completely different.What has been achieved so far in kenya and Rwanda? if i would ask.
….. To my fellow people of Zambeziland, cacine mwakalipa but, is destruction of property is the answer? After all we have so little to lose more.
We have capable organisations like FODEP, OASIS FORUM, NGOs, JP etc, that can help with Civic Educating at grassroot level. Investing in such a national programme early might be beneficial in the long run.. not just for elections. I rest my case.
Mwami atigwashe. Mulena uutwe.
Comcas
Hold your s***** together you dont know what you talking about.
the bottom line is Fr. Frank is FRANK. full stop. lets call a spade a spade.
finnish
finnish goog point
I have faith & trust in our legal system. If this CATOLICA priest is innocent then he’ll be a free man but if he broke the law then he’ll have to face the music. NO ONE is above the rule of law! If former Heads of State like KK & FJT can be locked up, who is a mere priest? This should send a clear signal to all those incl Fred Mmembe, who are intent on inciting peace loving Zambians with their narrow minded agendas!
Below is a video of RB answering questions regarding tribal trends of voting in the country enjoy
megavideo . com /?v=U8YUE2WS
Below is another video of RB answering questions regarding accussetions of vote manipulation on how was given a few votes and so own and so forth and where those agrieved should take up the matter
megavideo . com /?v=I5MW47RJ
I am not sure about what Frank said ..but he sure is a PF sympathiser people that listen to him may agree with me. Someone says they even heard him say ba MMD bakwete 2000 elo ifwe tukwete 1000 as he announced the election results of one of the districts. Again one wonders why frank is ever on air the station must surely have producers who can afford to make such mistakes which he as over all boss can correct. He is entitled to all his rights but with responsibility. in a tense atmosphere you dont go about preaching depression and sadness , telling people things are so..so bad. When people see no hope they rise against Government.
If that election was rigged you think the post who were passionately against RB would have declared him winner? To tell you the truth they would be running that evidence with editorials on a daily basis.
It’s interesting to analyse how we perceive issues. To all of us, remmeber, history will judge us, I mean all of us, because the choices you make today, and the things you purprot to belive in, of what value are they to yourself and humanity at large? Zambia suffers because we tend to trivialise issues. May God vindicate fr. Bwalya
The spiritual see spiritual light and hence transcend all life. Most arguments here are akin to saying because you are studying the human body you need not study what constitutes excrement… Priests and all religious orders have a right in the political dispensation – for isn’t the Bible full of pointers to war, politics, economics, socio-culture and the lot? Where then do you assert yourselves if you cannot transcend what you follow? Shouldn’t we speak about currency of issues like the Son of Man did? Let the law of the land decide the Father’s fate, for unto Caesar shall what belongs to him be rendered.
fr Bwalya must tone down but from what i know his case is not going anywhere.
Zambians it is now time to stand and say the trueth about our lovely country Zambia.Father Frank Bwalya has been condemed like jesus because he is saying the trueth, but we cannot be stoped by their actions.Let us face the reality.
TELLING THE TRUTH AND INCITING VIOLENCE OR USING DIVISIVE LANGUAGE ARE NOT SYNONYMOUS. YOU CANNOT USE LANGUAGE THAT YOU KNOW WILL CAUSE VIOLENCE AND BE ALLOWED TO GO SCOT FREE!!!THAT IS WHY THERE SEDITION LAWS TO NOT ALLOW THIS. SIMILARLY IN EUROPE AND USA THERE ARE LAWS AGAINST RACIST LANGUAGE AND ABUSE. YOU CANNOT GO ON RADIO AND USE THE WORD N…ER FOR EXAMPLE. SO FATHER FRANK CANNOT SAY ON AIR THAT THE GOVERNMENT IN POWER IS ILLEGAL. THAT IS WRONG AND HE MUST FACE THE FULL BRUNT OF THE LAW
truly rupia is ugly; this is the face of the people of zambia. i am ashamed. who voted for him?
ba Banda what kind of a seminarian are you ba chipuba? be objective in your way of critisizing. To be a pries does not mean that you should leave people to play woith the rights of other people. what kind of a priest are you going to be. I feel pity to the catholic Church if these are the people you are ordaining as priests. Dont just blame a person blindly just because you bare the same sirname with ba President Bana. Be wise my friend.
Ba Rev. Banda akulyeni bwino ku south africa ukomuli… mpaka bakamyoche ba Zenofobik. Benifye tondolo
“Mr. Humphrey Ngulube told ZANIS in Ndola this afternoon that Father Frank Bwalya who was a clergyman should never abandon his God appointed role in society of spiritual guidance and moral rearmament which God has called him to.”
The senior Citizen Mr Ngulube is becoming very vocal for he is constantly on LT news nows. Anyhow, continue giving us guidance Mr Humphrey Ngulube.
#56 Mbala Boy. Elections have never been free and fair in ZAmbia-like most African countries. In Zambia, fortunately people are saying it needs to change. Rigging the elections does not only occur during voting. Actions deemed to influence electrates minds during campaign are tantamount to rigging. Uneven campaign ground is rigging. victimization of other political parties is as well rigging. During campaigns RB went on frenzy to bribe pipo by giving them free essentials and promise more freebies when he wins. He also corrupted all or some chiefs with brown envelops and cars. He also bribed weaker political parties in exchange…
…for indorsement during mmd party norminations. The president overlooked the fact that there was a shortage of imbulances in the country but deployed the few for his facelift (though it doesn’t look any better) while people died. #56 you r comfortable in the uk (if thats were you live at all) because of democracy which people (like Fr Bwalya) fought for. Its unthinkable to imagine a similar situation of malpractise by the president happening where you live. That PM candidate can quickly face the law and jailed if proved as such.
Could someone tell me what will happen to Zambia, if the Catholic Church decides to close all there institutions for a week just to tell the government that things are not fine in the country?
JACOB BANDA, from SA uli Chipuba sana. You have no idea how the Catholic Church operates. Do not talk about priesthood nganiwe chimpempe. You do not know the role of the priest and more so the role of the Catholic Radio Stations!! Shup up if Nyama Soya is your relative.
Politics affects live of every citizen and christians alike. Fr. Bwalya speaks for all, Catholics and non Catholics. What is Christianity? to close ones eyes to the plight of the poor.
MARK MY WORDS, FR.FRANK BWALYA’S IS ARREST, SUGAR DADDY WILL NEVER ENJOY HIS PRESIDENCY!
ULI MPOPO SANA JACOB BANDA, MAKAKA, SIKANKA, PUMAFU, ULI NGWELE SANA. You do not even know about CANON LAW!
Therefore, suggesting that the laws must changed in Zambia does not call for the arrest of an individual or a group of individuals. That in itself suggests the insecurity and unconfidence on the part of the govt who have become victims of their own illegal misdeeds. I will not waste time on Jacob Bandas comments (+-35) as he is a mediocre child of previledge. Its sad to still witness such cowardly knee-jake reactions by our Zambian govts at such mild comments. It means we still have a long way to go in achieving the democracy one can write a book about. Be reminded that humans are political animals-It does not spare Fr Bwalya.
I am not a catholic, but, we should not praise the catholics only when they are building schools in Zambia-which KK destroyed, anyway. We should praise and like them, too, when they become advocates of human rights. And they have a long history for that in Zambia. I personally, love the catholics for their dedication to community development wherever they are. This includes UK. Parents fight for catholic schools in the UK.
Anyway bad entry point for RB.
Fair results and congrats Chipolopolo.
Meantime:
Vote president HH and his UPND Team for a possible youthful team of GRZ to lead Zambians to economic independence.
Kala kabotu alakuyasa mavwa. This is our time, as youths, and this is surely our moment to work with new Personal Computers tools – calculator boy – to serve all Zambians of all backgrounds for a real ray of change and hope that all can believe and trust in.
#126, Peter, I must confess that the Catholics gave me good background in education since I was inducted on secondary school knowledge their institution.
Their dedication to helping Zambians to be enlightened school-wise is really a noble cause.
I am SDA, by the way, through serious reading of the Holy Scriptures though my mother has been Adventist from my Grandparents’ background.
#107 Sheikh Banda. I think you should be praising Fred Memmbe and his paper for having contributed so much in terms of FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Like anyone else Fred has his own faults but his brevity in such a country must be appreciated. You are talking the way you are partly because of his contributions through his paper. And do not compare your former heads of state to the man of God. Those are thieves who came in different shapes, colours sizes and heights-p and simple. Besides, don’t be so simplistic. People will always talk. And if you think gagging them will shut them up-you have another thing coming. Let pipo express themselves freely.
..I meant, pure and simple in the last contribution.
#127 Free Ubuntu. I am myself a Jehova’s Witness. But, I must admit that Catholics have done quite a lot the worldover in general and Zambia in particular while other churhes just reap. KK thought it was easy running those institutions and unthinkably expropriated them. They are no longer what they used to be now. They are a sorry sight. #127. Thanks for your support.
#131. Peter, you are welcome Mr/Mrs/Ms Peter. Thanks to to the Catholics for the schools in Zambia and the education they contributed to me though under GRZ.
Always,
Maestro Hhehhehhehhe
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ba jacob bwamba bwenu, wat has the father forgotten about his profession?? and do you even know his profession?? fathers have careers apart from being priests…. hes human and hes got feelings, the catholic is helping a lot of vulnerable people which this govt of yoz has failed, and therefore the catholic speak for us, are you not aware that the elections were not free and fair?? come on man get a life and talk some sense……..
ya ya ya ya ya!!!
Makandin yenu ba LT.
umwaice father bwalya alifye bwino. don’t compare catholics to docile churches such as the UCZ, RCZ and the corrupt born agains where priests like njase are part of the nichekeleko arrangement. don’t use the bible and religion as the opium of the people (karl marx) to send them to sleep. twakana. mwaice frank ulimwina kwacha you know what your folks go through, na shake shake ni daiman! speak on their behalf!
The church should not be partisan.so this fathervdeserves to be locked up.All catholics were campaigning for sata just like before.We want them to challenge the president and not to decide who should be president.Most of them are busy abusing young ones in the name of the church and they are distructing us
#63 i agree with you but i need to add Sata,HH.Miyanda and RB on your list.Elections are over in US but in zambia we are in court.All candidates in america are meeting to discuss how to develop the nation but we are busy trying to devide the nation.We have only one nation.It shouldnt matter who is president but we should all agree on how to develop our country unless the quarrel is who should steal from the nation and thas why Sata is ugly and angry
Miss President: why head of state are you married to? is it Banda the sugar daddy? Any ways Nice debate. i followed your thoughts.
Miss President: which head of state are you married to? is it Banda the sugar daddy? Any ways Nice debate. i followed your thoughts. You should go to Zed and ignite the fire. women there are just for sex now. they are too quite on matters of national interest.
Bayanda Biyo Chisapi
#82 WASOSA, IT MIGHT EVEN BE VISE VESA. these things you neva know ka.
#139: I think you over stretched yourself by delving on matters way beyond your comprehension. Your alleged utterances are misfortunate and ill inclined. Catholics never and will never support any single individual on political tide. Our position is cross cutting and representative of God’s wish for a harmonious world. Put facts in place and avoid speculative thinking.
Enjoy the rest
May God protect our priest Fr Frank Bwalya, and may He give him the strength he need to remain in trueth.We need couragous people to criticis our goverment in order to push them to do some thing good for the people of Zambia.It is good to give the people what they want, not forcing them to have RB who has no source or not knowing where he came from.
Shame on you who call yourselves Christians yet you still doubt the justice Fr.Bwalya is trying to bring across.All those who are against the Fr,its not new anyway coz even Christ was denied Prophets were pesecuted for standing on the truth.Just like Paul used to send Prophets to jail cause he could not understand….so are Zambian pipo trying to send Fr.Bwalya to jail,setting those who deserve jail free.Fr be strong remember the demanded Jesus to the crusifiction Cross and fred the criminal insteady.
Be strong even though all the Zambians may leave you alone for fair of unknown Christ is with You till the end of time.
I the Child of God say:”Speak no evil against men of God lest….”
The people condeming Fr. Bwalya and demanding that he shuts up because he is a Priest, and did his studies for the priesthood, and because canon law bla bla bla, are only exhibitting their ignorance.
The Bible is readily available to anyone with interest to read it or study it. The Bible is the highest canon law.
In the Bible you will find that holy men of God spoke stingingly and denounced injustice. If men of God do not denounce sin and injustice in any nation, then they have failed their vocation.
So, if there is truth in what Fr. Bwalya said, it is up to the leaders to do introspection in the light of what the Priest has revealed; and amend their ways. Justice + Freedom = Peace.
hey moses! i love the way you laugh.
guess who?
What does Christianity mean if we dont put it in practice? And how can we put Christianity in practice if we cant even point out things that are wrong?
Father was very right in doing what he did and since I know him personally I can guarantee you he wasnt about spreading violence!
Iwe ndefwaya ukulandapo, nachinkalipa, wila nchinga.
Peace nga yapitilila, e bupuba bwine!!
I live in KT and I listened to his radio msg. It was full of Justice. Thump up Fr. Bwalya. Anywayz the case has bin discountinued based on justice though he was not supposed to b arrested evn for a second as our martin Luther. God will pay U Fr. bwalya. All loving Zambians bravo yo work. We will B together 2011 God willing on Radio Icengelo. God Bless Zambia and RB administration.
The truth hurts and RB will be acknowledge this. Being a priest doesn’t mean we have just to read the bible and ends up the victims of the oppressors. We are suppose to be propheties, rulers/ leaders and teachers of the light. What surprise with some of the bloggers is lacking the will to understand the values and principles of being christians. we are suppose to speak for those less able to speak to themselves and it is the role of churches to advise the Govt on issues that are affecting the people on grass root levels but if the govt fails to listen the church as the right to be critical of the govt. How many ordinary people taken to SA morning Clinic for treatment? the ans is none and these are the people who have elected these shameless leaders.
Fr Bwalya is the man of God who wants fairness , leave him is not a politician but fighting for the powerless and the mouthless…zambian politicians mwatupesha .lets just give back to the whites
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