Mr Sata said in Lusaka yesterday that he was part of the eight-member committee that dismissed the Barotseland Agreement as stale and illegal, deserving no attention from Dr Chiluba’s administration.
The PF leader dodged questions on why he had shifted his position to now insist that the agreement was valid and that he would implement it if he ascended to power.
He instead accused Dr Chiluba of leaking the documents to former PF secretary general Edward Mumbi who last weekend revealed Mr Sata’s past views on the Barotseland Agreement.
“The point is, why did they leak the document to Edward Mumbi? Edward Mumbi has never been a Cabinet minister, so where did he find those documents? It is Dr Chiluba because he wants to buy freedom from the cases he is facing,” Mr Sata said.
Dr Chiluba’s office said it was not available for comment.
When reminded that he had lately issued statements that contradicted his long-held view that the Barotseland Agreement should not be recognised, Mr Sata could not provide any answer except to continue attacking Dr Chiluba.
He said Mr Mumbi failed to publish the whole report because he knew that it was against the law to place documents classified as confidential in the public.
The documents produced by Mr Mumbi during his media briefing on Sunday also stated that Mr Sata had recommended to Dr Chiluba that the recognition of the Litunga of the Lozi-speaking people in Western Province should be withdrawn.
Mr Sata wanted the Litunga to lose his recognition to allow the Government to treat him as a political opponent.
Mr Mumbi during his Press briefing described Mr Sata as a hypocritical person and warned the people of Western Province that the PF leader would not entertain any such debates if he assumed power.
[pullquote]“The point is, why did they leak the document to Edward Mumbi? Edward Mumbi has never been a Cabinet minister, so where did he find those documents? It is Dr Chiluba because he wants to buy freedom from the cases he is facing,” Mr Sata said.[/pullquote]
He said Mr Sata was using the Barotseland Agreement for political expedience but such debates would not be tolerated under a PF administration.
He said this in reaction to a story in the The Post of January 8, 2011 in which the PF leader was quoted as saying the Barotseland Agreement was still valid.
Meanwhile, the Committee of Citizens has accused an opposition political party and some prominent Lusaka business persons of championing the Barotseland Agreement to cause anarchy because of their desperation to ascend to power.
Committee of Citizens executive director Gregory Chifire said in Lusaka yesterday that the opposition party and the Lusaka business executives were sponsoring the renegade groups in their quest to tarnish President Rupiah Banda’s image.
“It is very unfortunate that politicians and these people are getting this desperate to try and discredit President Banda and Government.
“We are aware that they are working with three groups in Western Province,” Mr Chifire said. He appealed to the police to investigate the activities of some opposition parties and some media houses. “We are also aware that some media houses are involved in this scheme.
“We know that the flag and some of the documentation were done by some media personnel that have hatred against the Government and President Banda,” he said.
He said the groups pushing for the restoration of the Barotseland Agreement had the potential to cause ethnic violence and ultimately destabilise the nation.
“Imagine what would happen if the so-called Black Bulls go ahead and beat up non-Lozi-speaking people in Western Province. The same will happen to Lozis in other provinces. “These people shouldn’t be myopic, they should look at the bigger picture,” he said.
And the Zambia Institute of Human Resource Management (ZIHRM) has condemned people agitating for the restoration of the Barotseland Agreement.
ZIHRM president Namucana Musiwa said in Lusaka yesterday that as a professional body responsible for promoting professionalism and productivity, they were concerned that if unchecked, the events in Western Province could cause chaos.
“Our concern as a professional body is based on the fact that Western Province does not only have Lozi, Luvale, Nyengo, Nkoya and Mbunda-speaking professionals but professionals who are Zambian and hail from different parts of the country and different parts of the world,” Ms Musiwa said.
Meanwhile, the Government has banned media houses hosting phone-in programmes on the Barotseland Agreement to save the country from potential violence.
Acting Information and Broadcasting Services Minister Dora Siliya said this in an interview with Zambia National Broadcasting Corporation television yesterday.
[Times of Zambia]
Batata ba Sata, chenjeleni pantu ni heart ataki ilimupepi when polls begin the count. we need a person who is solid in terms of morals and consistent in terms of nation based issues. so where do you place yourself knowing that you have agreed that you wanted the BA quashed? You recently said the opposite to what you have acknowledged. Zambian people may be docile but time is catching up and they will speak loudly this year again so pull up your sock or you remain the Zambian BOZO
It seems ubulwele bwa short memory nabubekata ba shikulu aba. thats why it is said that liars must have good memories not ukulasekesha fye as though Zambian issues are a light moment. we need people who have long term visions for this country bane.
From the PF vuvuzela under the story “Chiluba enters Barotse issues”; “I have total conviction that the Barotse Agreement is valid and should be respected and honoured. I believe this is the same spirit other people like Roger Chongwe are calling for the honouring and respect of the Barotse Agreement. This has always been my position even when I served under Chiluba and it is now the position we have taken as PF.” End quote.
Once again Mr. Sata has proved to be very inconsistent. He has proved he’ll say anything and do anything that he thinks will win him votes even if it risks putting the nation in flames. Mr. Sata is unreliable and cannot be trusted.
It is true that the Barotseland Agreement is a legal document surpassed by events as Zambia is now a single Republic.
In short this document is stale.
Ba PF……any comment????
times of Zambia? they have not given us all the answers that SATA gave them, you are liars!!
looks like propaganda from times of zambia.
There we go again!
Those saying the Barotse Agreement isstale are jokers. This subject needs serious attention from those in power otherwise even after one hundred years from if not resolved it will still come up. Who thought Yugoslavia would split up and now South Sudan. There is a case of similar nature before the courts in Namibia concerning the Lozi’s of Caprivi strip. Those arrested are being represented by Victor Kachaka hired by UN. Lets all be level headed and talk to those who are advocating for the restoration of the Barotse Agreement. What are their demands and what is the GRZ position. Late Admson Mushala terror started off like a wild rumor. Those who are remember the Sipalo the Lusaka serial killer.
Zuma – just read this story carefully and you will see that it is the Times of Zambia once again being divisive and vindictive. Surely a cabinet meeting comprises of a lot of people. We have not seen the minutes of that meeting. Are you sure Sata said he is opposed to the Barotse Agreement in that meeting? That is the problem when jouranlists cease to be professional and play to the political galary. Mumbi had a press conference – spread out a cabinet decision – did he say which cabinet minister said which words for or against? The Times should investigate this more and do a good analytical jourlistic piece. We need to change government this year so that public media can become free! It is sad that the MMD are using public media as their kantemba!!
politics in zambia;;; no ones wants to run the country for the good of the people
no matter what ni pa bwatoooo……..
On “Mr Sata said in Lusaka yesterday that he was part of the eight-member committee that dismissed the Barotseland Agreement as stale and illegal, deserving no attention from Dr Chiluba’s administration” it is nice that Mr serpentine Michael Chilufya SATA has in the past (1992/3 to be specific) opposed the discussion of the BA 1964 and sadly scandalised the Litunga as expressed in “The documents produced by Mr Mumbi during his media briefing on Sunday also stated that Mr Sata had recommended to Dr Chiluba that the recognition of the Litunga of the Lozi-speaking people in Western Province should be withdrawn…[PF’s MC] Sata wanted the Litunga to lose his recognition to allow the Government to treat him as a political opponent” above.
Vote for HH wisely this year…
Senile old man! Even though I don’t trust the Times of Zambia, this article reveals who this SataN is. A shameless old man. He always spoil my day…
This man surprises me. He cant answer questions but throws it to another person. He should have clarified on what he had earlier told us but he diverts and attacks Chiluba. Chimudala ici nichi mukuta sana. This is the man people think can bring change in Zambia, what change anyway. Only fatherless Bwalya can see sence in everything he vomits.
Lelo ba Sata, Impupu ni pa kuboko! But u’ve also brought up a good point point, just why are they revealing such inf. to a mr Mumbi? the answer is simple, they want to fix you baba, – its cheap politics ya pa Zed. They too can never be trusted just like u!
MWAMU KOLO!!! DONTCHI KUBEBA!!!
I just wonder how people with five senses support this demented geriatric shikulu. He can never be trusted and does not believe in what he says. he is a shameless as long as he knows some bums out their adore him
Can WikiLeaks come to the rescue please?
One thing I know about Sata is that he changes his mind when he sees the current against him which is good unlike those who are so stubborn even when the writing is on the wall they go on like fools. Remember him and Levy reconcilled and apologised to each other and Levy showed him documents on Chiluba’s theft thats when Sata changed his mind on Chiluba and the two have not being friends since.
The important issue, Mr Satanic Sata, is not the source of the documents but the contents therein. Once again, Mr Satana, you have demonstrated how split your mind is by failing to answer honestly and directly questions posed to you by TOZ.
PF forces MMD to return FRA donation
PF has forced the MMD to refund the K5 million donation received from the Food Reserve Agency during the ruling party’s fundraising dinner dance.
Following the K5 million donation by the FRA board, PF secretary general Wynter Kabimba wrote to the agency’s executive director Dr Lovejoy Malambo on December 28, 2010 stating that as a government parastatal company which was financed by money appropriated by Parliament through the Ministry of Finance, it was improper for FRA to use taxpayers’ money to finance a political party whose objectives were not charity in nature.
#7 John Phiri……..I’ve been following your comments very closely, and have discovered your one sided reasoning of issues. Being a supporter of one does not take away sober reasoning and it is not true that the person you support is an angel who will never make a mistake, infact an angel makes mistakes, thats why lucifer is where he is.
Now for today, will you help me understand the criteria you use to determine news which is propaganda and the True one. Thanx
Sata said let the minutes of that Cabinet Meeting of 1993 be released in full as opposed to MMD using that dim wit Mumbi to release it in peice meal and only sections that suit them!!
PF – its very unfortunate that a collective thing pipo can turn it on one person SATA. Satas opinion is clear not that 1993 collective agreement. Why is chuluba zeeeeee. Ukanya chiluba lolela PACT ise mu power. And pipo are shameless instead of talking about constructive issue like the return of property to chilu which he used my had earned money to acquire u still bucking on Sata’a position on Barotse.
the reality is MMD has lost western, lost southern, lost lsk, lost cb, lst northern, lst luapula, lost nw, lost central and will share eastern. VIVA PACT. mulenwina ameshi kulukombo unomwaka.
@23Real Issue Man
this story is coming from times of Zambia, you and i know that times of Zambia will never write a positive story about Sata no matter what, if he says something sensible they always try to twist what he said that why Zambian will never trust times of zambia.
Some supporters surprise me. It is not an issue of the source being the Times but one of sincerity. MCS does not dispute the the document but is screaming for one document that FTJ and his sponsored cohort, Edward Mumbi have unleashed on him. Remember FTJ said he had a dossier on all his cabinet ministers and Sata actually dared him. Why is he now crying? What ethics can this man talk about when he has been in the forefront disclosing Levy’s accounts? As for the supporters who are diverting the attention to the Times, it is like defending a rapist brother claiming that the girl he raped was not sitting properly! It is high time we the supporters of PF got to accept the fact that our leader has inconsistency of the highest degree.
We are dealing with Mr Crook, Mr Sata, he just want to use the BRE for a vote and there after, come and beat them for there mistakes. I cant just bank on him.
#26..John Phiri……I understand that. Now which tabloid provides balanced news in Zambia? the post will also never write positive things about government and UPND, Zambia Daily mail is pro-govt. Now in such a situation, what shall we do to help ourselves and those we support? i suggest the best way is not brush away every news that comes from a particular tabloid, but to try to research and get the truth about it in order to offer our advise constructively. For instance, if it happens that, the old man Sata has infact shifted position on Barotse, then let us advise him to be careful next time. Advise can either be published here or write to the secretariate or direct to the old man, same applies to RB, HH or now Savior Chishimba. By so doing we will be helping our politicians.
Mr Politicking: The bigger issue here is not about fixing one by the other, no. It is about integrity and honesty. But because Sata has an embossed mouth that cannot hold except to say something no matter the consequences, he has found himself in such a situation. He opposed the issue of Barotseland Agreement, he lived with it for all the time he’s been in MMD and even when on to submit that the Litunga be derecognised, now he turns round. This behaviour is reminiscent of rats that bite, then blow to anaesthesize (SP) their victims. SATA cannot be trusted, Westerners, don’t trust anyone with a split tongue like Sata and his tandem of supporters. If you have noone else, consider even the young men coming up Milupi, HH, Chipimo, Chishimba.
SATAna ni nsoka bane! chenjeleni!
John Phiri, don’t let us conclude the kaboyi mentality we hear some people have written about some of you. Yes bwana yes bwana. I saw John Phiri’s postings where he is saying he admires bembas and he will marry a bemba so that his children are intelligent. What self-pity, defeat and stoopidity!
SATA THIS, SATA THAT and what about others…..
“The lies that Sata tells cannot even begin to be mistaken with relative truth. There is not a thing we imagine plainer than Sata’s lies, which profusely drip from his mouth as often as he opens it. It is common knowledge the archive of lies Sata has weaved for himself for an average Zambian and unnecessary to re-ascertain its plain authenticity. The only problem at hand is that Sata’s lies have become so incessant and of a greater magnitude outstretching the limits ordinarily expected by the weak amongst us, wearying them down to despondency.”
#33 maybe SATA is the biggest fish around.
#26 You are right infact ALL News Papers (The Post is not an exception if not worse) write in a biased way thats why reasonable people don’t make opinions based on news paper articles! However, everyone in Zambia knows Mr. Sata and his flip flop tendencies and I don’t think anyone can doubt that! There so many cases where he has done that even in front of a camera. The issue of Chiluba’s cases is one that quickly comes to mind. He said LPM was just fixing Chiluba politically and it was not true that he store that was when Chiluba supported him prior to 2006 elections. Even people very close to Sata know that he cannot be trusted, they just hang there for either personal benefit or are just tribalists!
#25 Donchi kubeba………..With due respect, supporters on the blog are there to advise their masters properly especially on issues of integrity. The problem with Zambians is Laziness to research, reason why we have left this task to one person to do it for us. If you percieve Sata to take over this year as President, then try to corrective him where he is making mistakes now so that he enters office with an improved integrity. Dont create a monster for yourself. Be objective my friend, SATA is not an angel, neither is RB or HH, they are human who can make mistakes and let us help them see their mistakes and correct them. Thanx.
# 25 indeed, why is this Jere LT writing about the TIMES OF ZAMBIAs’ scandalous articles instead of giving us an analytical piece on giving Chiluba back properties he acquired with money he plundered from government coffers. The Barotse Agreement as a document cannot be fully implemented in todays’ Zambia. However, if you have a wise government in power (e.g UPND/PF pact) this document can be used as a spring-board to decentarlise government and have provincial budgeting and implementation of development projects. So if Sata as # 20 Way Forward has stated has flexibility of mind to be convinced about changing his ways when he is wrong, is it a sin? What about the fool hardheadedness we have seen about windfall tax? You will see the bum of a snake this year! Keep on printing propaganda!
We built our country very well at Independence, one hopes; but now this? Where are our legal minds to truthfully elucidate with authority what the current situation is within the Constitutional provisions of the Republic of Zambia?
Where are those no-brainers who were scratching at the Constitution at the NCC? Where are our State Consels? They ought to be advising our Government, and enlighting the whole nation. They should be better placed, to perhaps meet with the people advocating for a seperation and go over the legal provisions and implications.
The last thing that could be done is a referendum on the issue, at the same time as we have one on a matter referred to it (referendum) by the NCC (if I remember correctly that there was such a proposition).
Patience is needed.
# 27 mk you definately are not a PF or pact supporter. I have read your comments in the past. They are all anti – Sata, just like the real anti-Sata on this blog. Convince yourself about Times Of Zambia, leave the rest of the local to read other papers!
#35 BIGGEST ,OLDEST UNREASONABLE MAN AROUND
I bet we are made different. If LADY GAGA poised as a naturedly good girl can call bloggers whose view must be respected in a democracy as such,then zambia surely lucks wise brains. To some extent, we have been whitewashed by KAFUPI who assumed power in the name of christianity and late one todate leaves outside his belief late alone his pentecostal followers who he showered money cling on him like a god! If Sata supported this BRE thing then, while,people a bound to learn and grow out of understanding over time. Its also unfair to only judge Sata as if he was the initiator of this, however, right it is to ask him because of the cause he is preaching about-change. There is also one thing zambians must guard against-lestening to this MUMBI cadre. We are building or destroying our nation.
tIMES OF zAMBIA MY @$$
#32Kalimwitobo says:
yes i admire them bemabas coz of you pipo who rush to tribalism everytime there is Sata, Chiluba, GBM and the others…..you even go to the extent of blaming them for the barotse problems. i feel like they are special coz of you, stop bringing in tribalism!!!
This just Proves how crooked and untrust worthy Mr MACO NA-PATA is.Go and rest six feat under OLD SERPENT coz you are tired
Changing styles of Sata
1.Supported Chiluba——now against
2.Against Barotse—–now for it
3.Called HH names—-now a pact partner
4.Told the Post to go hell……Now his vuvuzela
5.Beat up chawama residents—now promising them peace
And many other examples! he is a liar all the times! which other leader deos that?
How many of you brokers have neva channged their opinion on any topic. Some times it pays to change your stance coz pipo have to be flexible to survive in this ever changing clazy world or else you die coz of being rigid
there is PF/UPND PACT. each one for himself and Zambia for all. on your marks get set and start campaigning for your candidates. am for Saviour Chishimba coz being an emotional person he will relinguish the Prersidency and hand over to Conman and we will rule this land for ever and ever. there will be no elections, parliament will be dissolved and Zambian Airways will be nationalised and change its name to Zambia Airlines. the Zambia National Soccer team will train with teams like Man United chelsea et al. just wait and see.
Times Of Zambia- People dont believe this shit
I dont even know why the pf supporters are trying to justify the unjustifiable. This man is not consistent and never will be. If he got into power, the country would be paralysed because he would be shifting his position everyday. He would also be firing and hiring at a whim. Govt policy would be whatever was in his head that particular morning. This man is so dangerous that he has contributed to the current situation of unease in W province. In his desperation for votes he forgot that there are other ethnic groups in W province besides Lozis. Does he really think that the Mbundas, Nkoyas and others in the province will vote for him now?
#45Shootist says:
there is what we call repentance in Christianity.
there is no problem with one changing their stance.
are you not going to be happy if RB change is mind and bring in the windfall tax, law of abuse??
grandpa at it again. never ceases to be a comedian. aside from that chuckle, its very important as leaders to be mindful of making careless statements on serious and sensitive national issues. statements should be inclusive and reconciliatory not divisive coz of cheap and petty political milage. party’s manifestos are gathering dust, we want to hear them…eh eh u are saying…
To those against Sata, I dont understand on whose idealogies you will stand on come april or November only RB knows. I dont know whose voice you are listening to apart from that of change. I may also ask, would you know the message one MUMBI is carrying if not to save his family from poverty by not being so patriotic and unzambian. If we allow our well educated brains to be mislead by one person who is fighting no cause at all, then zambians are really still stone age. When bones refused change and no matter how much one applied beauty cream, the skin just said NO! Its a pity because surely, we cannot aford to rally behind one KAFUPI on the driving seat. RB is naturally a good person but am sure he has just been won by the master dribler and there is no turning back. Lets look for change.
georgeWbush,
You are simply attempting to massage yourself. You are aware that Sata won’t make it to lead this nation but your ‘consolation’ is that your kind are in a way still in charge from your statement:
‘RB is naturally a good person but am sure he has just been won by the master dribler and there is no turning back.’
That is desperate self appeasement you are on about.
@49, CHOMBA MALAILA, Can you kindly as patriotic as you can be, give us an option to the ruling party and all its members? If surely, you are amazed at us for falling for the old man, no matter how urgly he is, though the only leader married to a well educated woman who draws so much respect, i dont see why you should, because change may not be bad at all. I am not bemba but if you say you hate him because he is bemba, then i will understand and i will emplore you to cry a river and ask one KK to come back into politics and reverse the time. As it is now, i dont see that and one KAFUPI has made sure during his regin that nothing of that sort happens again. If we have to be constructive,lets not just call people names or demons but lets be objetcive and give proper analysis for us to choose
Bo Michael Chilufya Sata has never been a friend of Barotseland. Thats why I will never in my life give him a vote. People of Barotseland don’t be cheated by Mr.Sata he does not wish you well. Even if Lewanika resurected today, he would quickly change and say this man was a bad King, not unifier. Remember how he changed to condemn late President Mwanawasa who helped save his life. PF and its leadership should not disturb the course of justice over the Barotseland Agreement. Mr.Sata Sir, leave us alone we will find a way out. Koozo
@54, LOZI’s backward really!
georgeWbush,
On #53, you say, quote:
on ‘If we have to be constructive,lets not just call people names or demons but lets be objetcive and give proper analysis for us to choose’
then shortly on #55 you say: ‘@54, LOZI’s backward really!’
True hypocrite!
45// You are correct. Bo Sata is never serious no matter how much grey hair grows on his head. I do not disregard the fact that he is married to a very learned wife like 53// puts it. But the old man is a real cobra which is about to change into a black mamba before it retires into a chameleon.
LOZIs are backward for sure look at how they are suffering in western province but they keep voting for mmd. you will remain like that.
Sata is one man who has changed with the times which is good than a stupid fool who does not learn from mistakes!
55// If you think Lozi is backward, fine. Just advise your poor Satanic snake out of the Barotseland Agreement issues. We do not want its two tongues to cheat the people.
@ #58 john phiri
It is their democratic right to vote for whoever they want to vote for. Trying to bully them into voting for someone else is undemocratic which is a tendency promoted in the PF camp.
You vote for whoever you want and let the Lozi’s vote for whoever they want. If you want them to vote for your preferred candidate, convince them as to why they should instead of trying to bully them into doing it. Grow up man…seriously.
We have always known this anyway. What of Banda lying to the likes of Roger Chongwe that he is not going to fraternize with stinking thieves and murderers like Chiluba and Chungu only to do the exact opposite, within two years? I would condone Sata, not Banda. Besides, with all the useless trips, floating foreign policy even on straight forward cases like Zimbabwe and the tribalistic bigotry he has unleashed to devour the fabric of this nation, who honestly needs this Bwezani loser of theirs for president? If Chifire has any sense resident in his skull, he could lobby for Chongwe for president if an Easterner is what they want, not this goofy corrupt monkey piss head toilet.
^^ Should be #59 john phiri
46 CHIMBA good point!!!!!! whats the fuss about someone changing opinion over an issue?? The man was bound by the principle of collective responsibility and ka FTJ is the major culplit in this saga.
A married couple decided to come up with a phrase to use when they want to go make love in the bedroom so that children do not know what is at stake , so they came up with the word ‘’ TYPEWRITER’’
So one day Dad tells the youngest son to tell mom that dad wants to use the typewriter.
So the boy goes to mom and says ‘’ hey mom mom Dad is asking if he could use your type writer for a letter’’ Now realizing she is having her pees, Mom responds ‘’ tell your dad there is a red ribbon on the typewriter’’.
4 days later mom asks son to tell Dad that he is free to use the type writer, Dad responded son tell your mom not to worry The secretary at work typed the letter. Ha ha ha.
All those shouting Viva Sata should seriously have their heads examined. I am not a fun of the MMD but Sata as an alternative? You’ve got to be kidding
yesterday SATA did this, today SATA has done this and mailo SATA will do this, what a man…….. the man has made a name for himself. no wonder he is loved by most zedians therefore no amount of propaganda will change the minds of zambians. come monday or sunday, rain or sunshine mmd kuya bebeleeeee. ni dont kubeba.
the issue is how do we treat Sata now that he has publicly shown that he is a liar and opportunist.
I LOVE MC SATA HE IS A KIND OF LEADER ZAMBIA NEEDS WE WANT A LEADER WITH POOR JUDGEMENT LIKE SATA WHO CAN FLIP FLOP OR CHANGE AT ANY MINUTE, IMAGINE IF THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION LEADER LIKE SATA THE MEDIA AND NEWS PAPERS LIKE POST WOULD NOT HAVE ANY POWERFULL HEADLINES, SATA IS A GOODMAN AND ZAMBIA NEEDS SUCH COMEDIANS, JUST IMAGINE WHEN HE WAS AWAY IN SOUTH AFRICA THERE WAS NO STORY IN THE MEDIA AT ALL EVEN LT WAS BORING
Mr CAPTALIST @62. Today must be the first time i have read your bloggs. Man, dont say PF are bullying people to vote for someone they dont like, as undemocratic as that can be, i would request you to really place you thing well, because RB has just marshalled Mpombo, Magande and the late minister MHSRIP. Will you still vote for him? then you are being unwise as most of your bloggs entail. Analyser @57, Sorry, i just got emotional due to the fact that some Lozi fellow’s blog followed after mine with a sucking messge.@63. Dont call RB untamed terms, he may be wrong but he still needs your allegience except your ballot will speak volume. Lets reason zambians and avoid this divisive atmosphere we ourselves are creating and failing to agree and meanwhile the powers that be a looting in peace.
Mr. Capitalist fimo fimo be serious you also with your support for mmd, do you know how much pipo are suffering while you are there in canada enjoying yourself…i am not bullying the lozis i want them to change for good, they are suffering coz of their support for mmd. if they vote for the right pipo things will be better for them.
@67,United zambians, Please learn to give the side of your thinking because if you say and i quote,” surely sata has an alternative” Give names. Because with people like you, led blindly, you may still say KAFUPI is better and that would suck even more. We are loosing one thing, if the alternative is HH, PF is unmoved because even if HH scoops the highest seat, we would have been part of the movement as PF. However, if you leave the electrorates hunging, you would have done more harm to them than they were.
@ #71 georgeWbush
I will still vote for MMD because they have a clear economic path for the nation. I never hear PF talk about development. It is always attack attack attack H.E.R.B. I never hear Mr. Sata or anyone in PF outline their plan on how they’ll develop this nation. Till date, the only economic plan I have ever heard from PF is the 90 day economic miracle. In light of this, sorry I’ll stick to MMD until something better comes about.
@ #72 john phiri
It doesn’t matter you think the “right” people are or what your definition of “change for good” is. The fact still remains that they are convinced the MMD is the better choice amongst they current candidates in Zambian politics today. Calling them “backwards” is not going to make them vote PF. [tbc
Sata, Sata! Will there be any antidote to the Barotse Land lie that the Post can bring out to sulvage the cobra fro political extinction? Aren’t the Post editors swept into the abyss of emarassment having supported this untrainable mind in Sata? People who do not feel embarassed about embarassing things they do are ,to a large extent, abnormal.Already the post is trying frantically to help Sata come out of this but the true Lozis ,especially those who thought Sata was their saviour now,now feel like fish out of water. I do not know if Sata will ever Go to Western Province and campeign successfully. Ati pa musasa sa nyelapo.
No.67 Octopus, You have made my day; I am tired reading these monotonous comments about unprincipled politicians. What is wrong with Zambians, we cant demand accountability and morality from our leaders?
cont from #74
It is one vote and one choice and they’ll choose who they feel looks out for their interests best. They want vote for who you want john phiri, they’ll vote for who they want. So it doesn’t matter how much you rant on blogs, the fact still remains that they are going to make their decision.
I still say bullying them into voting for your preferred candidate is undemocratic and wont work. Convincing them on why your preferred candidate should be voted for is the better alternative.
They’ll vote for who they like, not who you like john phiri.
The CAPTALIST, spare me from your voluptuous blogs, but surely how long shall you wait, 20years and there still remains no light at the end of the tunnel. Man, don not be cheated by the many LOANS technically called GRANTS china is showering on our soil meanwhile looting our towns and turning their economy into a blissful haven. Its not the western world who have made china such a star, its AFRICA, we are back to scramble for africa but in a steiner form because we have naive beings like you.Tell, me a govt gets a loan of 1.25 tr for 35km road and you thing that is realistic when they still do not ve good relation with lozi’s? come on man. You must be educated to leave your brains for their shoes. Kafupi has just got his stolen property but Mhatani is in for shit for something more…
Yesterday President R. Banda banned all media houses from reporting on the Barotse Agreement, so how come the Times of Zambia? is still reporting on the issue.
I think the Barotseland issue is going to be Sata’s undoing. The problem is his mouth. If he was a responsible potential president, he should have waited and studies the situation before making wild statements. As it is now, he only looks like he is prepared to do anything to get to plot one, and this is the man that some people would have you believe would relinquish power voluntarily to HH in 2016? If HH has any ambition and an ounce of intelligence, he would realise that whatever Sata says today in not worth anything tomorrow. The first thing that Sata would do as president is put HH in detention and declare a state of emergency in W province. He would use the emergency as an excuse for suspending elections indefinitely.
@ #78 georgeWbush
Who said Zambia’s only economic partner is China. China is not the only country Zambia has relations with. Zambia has relations with many BRIIC nations as well as Western nations. Sorry but the much data easily available, accessible and verifiable shows that Zambia has made great strides in its economic agenda. PF does not have an economic intelligence unit otherwise they would have had the arsenal of data to provide independent statistics of how the economy is doing as well as carry out prudent research on the feasibility of their economic plans of which I have only heard the 90 day one.
The MMD has moved the economy and it something that does not sit well with the opposition. [tbc
@80. CHOMBA MALAILA. It is very simple. MUMBI has turned against the finger that fed him and under KAFUPI’s undoing is getting information that should be classified. We know KAFUPI must answer to all these issues because then he was the presdent. But, alas, people still take him as a saint! Whichever god he belongs to. Sata must clear his name no matter the timing. If Sata, in your own mind, will not relinquesh power then, then, is MMD and its people going to? Dont be judgemental when you failed to judge whether KAFUPI was right person like any other afterwards. For your last sentence, am sure you luck self esteem and thats why you are being so judgmental.
I really pity these chaps(reporters) who work for Times, Daily Mail and ZNBC- its not correct that they should be misleading people, Oh, forget- they are being used.
cont from #81
This is why the opposition is using sensationalist empty terms which fools simple minds. They’ll say stuff like “Zambia is a failed state” and in the same sentence say, “oh, by the way, vote for me”. REALLY???? They’ll also say stuff like, “nothing has happened in the years of said persons rule” without that arsenal of data to back it up. They’ll also say stuff like “we provide a better alternative” without articulating how they are the better alternative or terms like “change is coming” (don’t you wish you had the crystal ball) without outlining why this “change” is a better option.
The MMD has got numerous projects and an arsenal of data both locally and internationally to complement their campaign messages. [tbc
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WASHINGTON – Twenty-five countries showed significant declines in democracy in 2010 with little serious resistance from the democratic world, the watchdog group Freedom House reported Thursday.
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ITS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT KK, FTJ, LPM, RB FAILED TO BRING DEVELOPMENT TO BAROTSELAND. HOW WILL THE HYPOCRITICAL LIAR SATA BRING DEVELOPMENT & EMPLOYMENT TO BAROTSELAND?? ONLY THE PEOPLE OF BAROTSELAND THEMSELVES CAN FOSTER PROSPERITY AFTER SECESSION!!!! I WONDER WHY THE BEMBAS & THEIR CRONIE TRIBES DISLIKE THE BAROTSE SO MUCH & YET STILL WANT UNITY WITH BAROTSELAND IN THE NAME OF “ONE ZAMBIA ONE NATION”.
The Captalist @81, Do your know how indebted zambia has sunk to as compared to “wage freeze time”. Take my advise, find yourself, you may be lost into the MMD oblivion, my bro! And it has no truning back.,
cont from #84
The MMD can confidently state, they have built and are building schools, they have built and are building hospitals, they have ensured prudent economic growth and development as well as ensured food security. They have the arsenal of data from CSO, BOZ, IMF, World Bank, The Economist Magazine to complement their statements.
President Rupiah Banda has just been talking development everywhere he has gone if at all he is to give a campaign message. The latest one is the ethanol processing plant idea, why didn’t Mr. Sata state something similar, all we heard from him is he’ll fix the fuel problem in 90 days without outlining how. [tbc
cont from #88
The most interesting thing is the opposition has not disputed the MMD’s works. They have however tried to separate them from the MMD by claiming “no, those are The Late Dr. Mwanawasa’s works”. True but they are still MMD works nonetheless.
Finally, I conclude by stating that it doesn’t matter what you say because at the end of the day, it’ll be me at the polling station with one ballot in my hand of which I will use to vote for whoever I want and not who you want. That is democracy.
S’lu @86. Do you know that Wprovince had the first schools? Do you know that you are the most eduacted or brained in zambia? Do you know that the Fminister post has been held by you guys for a long time? Do you know that the law makers are under the discpline of you guys since ninteen pendefikondo? Well, certain things are just meant not to happen because you dont use your brains to better you environment. Lozi’s are naturally not inovative. Give them a million dolars, you will find it intact after 100years but give someone else,there will be a haven. For bembas, dont entrust them with money, justvtrust them with eduaction and you will get out something valauble. With them money takes the to heaven and all other beings a nothing.
Sata is truly a force to recon with…if we are to psychoanalyse his thinking, he is one of those people who are consumed by their resolve to achieve something.Once convinced on a path it is difficult to remove him, but bows to pressure. He is a strong character those around him must know their story or they risk being consumed in his thinking or resolve.
#90 that is a lie…..one no is straight when it comes to money! Tribalism is just as bad as theft period.
At least he has accepted, something that is rare with many Zambian politicians. But shouldnt FTJ be cited for abrogating the Official Secrets Act ?
Micheal Chilufya Sata has admitted to participating in the recommendation that was made to MMD led Govt over the Barotseland issue. Has any body ever wondered what Micheal Sata’s middle name (Chilufya) means?. The point of who leaked the document(s) is now immaterial it belongs to another platform, what is certain is that for now is that the man has admitted the story period.
@ # 59 john phiri, you have a neurotic adlepated mass of selfish pig -headedness!
This is the man some want to lead zambia. Astounding. This old man has no integrity what so ever to be presido. Integrity and morals from a pit latrean toilet is what he has. It is time Africa moved on and aboundoned such shamless politicians, until we do that advancement shall remain but a fleeting illussion to be persued but never attained, wars , corruption and famine shall be there to greet us every day.
#94 Ba Kelvin…he admitted to have being there yes but was he alone…what about Akashambatwa Lewanika he was also there, so is he also guilty, are all those people who where there guilty? It was a committee why single out Sata?
The problem with Sata is he surrounded by people who dont think straight.What is astounding is that Mr kabimba, the man i have always known to be rational, is now falling prey to Sata’s machinations. As for Given Lubinda i cannot be surprised. The man cannot think straight because of the ARVs he is taking after jumping into a pool of virus at the airport.May be Sondashi’s formula can help him think. Guy Sott can’t think straight also because of the swine fever infected pigs that he killed and ate! Shemuna!
#98 The others who were also present have not been on a public platform advocating for the agreement. Is that so difficult to understand? Your man has been caught with his pants down on this issue. Yes, he is allowed to change his mind, but why did he not come out in the open and tell the Zambian people that in the past he took a different stance but circumstances have made him re-evaluate and change his mind. Instead, he has been lying to gullible f.ools who even now, dont want to admit that the man has been taking them for a ride. So what is PF’s stance on the agreement now? Whatever stance Sata takes he will lose the votes he desperately wanted to milk in W province. He needs to learn how to control his tongue.
81//Chomba Malaila:
I suspect Mr.Sata knew correctly what mess he had made on this isue before and wanted to cover-up. Except correct judgement is failing him, probably because of age. Not forgeting his strong appetite to go to State House. His saliva for Plot 1 is no longer dripping but just oozing out.
#100 You are very correct. Sata is so desperate for power that he is prepared to plunge the country into chaos to get there. How can anybody believe that such a person will give up power to HH in 2016? People dont see the irony of thinking that the champion of the unconstitutional third term will allow himself to be president for only one term? Sata and the post are now talking in apocalyptic terms about potential violence because they know that they cant beat the MMD on argument. They have failed to articulate any new ideas for taking the country forward and the only avenue they have now is to scare people to vote for them.
Deja Vu
What govt banned was Live phone-in programs on Radio and TV where people call in and mislead the public about the BA.The ban does not include the print media.
#99 and #100 Yes a man has a right to change his mind…imagine if FTJ came and said well stealing from the public is bad am sorry but no the man is adamant in his wrong doing no change of mind at all. Thats why people like Sata because he changes which is human. Even though people call it flip flopping. On his saliva now just oozing out well I can ask you have you ever being in a position where you want something and you give it your ALL, thats true dedication! Not these half hearted individuals we are surrounded by, its no wonder we have mediocrity all over!
MMD is worried with SATA no wonder these fake propaganda, solve the situation why fight sata. They are just telling us to go ahead vote for him. Was sata the only one in that cabinet meeting. Be real ba koswe.
ifwee ni pa boat chabe chapwa not negotiable
you see the reason why the pact would announce its presidency at 11th hour. Usual MMD attacks everyone knows.
If there ever was a man who tells plain, stupid and unbelievable lies, it is Sata. But why he still enjoys good measure of support can only be understood either by tribal bigotry or the same reason why naive girls easily fall for sweet talkers. Truth for many is not just cool enough. So Sata portrays the kind of person who will bungee-jump and give that thrill. But ofcourse it is just a gimmick. But do those people who support him care? Certainly not, they will give up anything for that thrill, more money in the pocket!
Imwe dont you think that Sata reads all your comments?he is very angry with you all who write negatves..you will see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The last thing LOZI’s believe in is a state on a monarch. Undemocratic and unrepresentative sort of governance. Albeit,they are complaining when they have “some democracy”, what will happen when their LITUNGA assumes throne of the entire BRE so called kingdom?-padon me.@100. Whats wrong with someone addmitting to some decision? Are you accepting his decision now? That should be the matter because for your own information, no well meaning, patriotic zambian needs to hear the BRE claim as it died down with time and Sata obviously is just being sympathetic with you or rather knows the surroundings around this issue well. His move is, bring develpoment in Wprovince and you guys will get about alienating yourselves. He is more prudent to respect the law, which stance, you demonise him.PEACE>
2011 Bye bye MMD and welcome PACT>>>
#103 Why is that you pf die-hards have a blind spot even when the issue is obvious? If you read what I wrote you would see that nobody is saying that no politician can not change their mind. Sata’s stance would not have been an issue if he had come out in the open and stated his stance on BA when in government. He didnt. Instead he pretends to be for the agreement. This is what some of us see as being opportunistic and desperate for power. He now looks like a liar and has to back track. So who in W province is going to trust him now? Those advocating for change cant trust him, whereas those against the BA will not want anything to do with him. At a stroke he has reduced the number of potential voters in W province just because of his penchant for playing to the gallery.
Way Forward,
‘Change of mind’ should be put in context. A man without convictions will rarely make a good leader and will likely change his stance at every whim. That is what Sata has shown to be. This change of position by Sata is a portrayal of a shifty mind, basically unprincipled convictions.
Sata has refuted and demanded that the times of zambia produce a transcript of the same interview where sata was quoted. in any case Blogsters do not rush to conclusions as the enemy (MMD) is in panick mode.
101 Chomba Malila//
Dear, HH should learn from what is happening to Given Lubinda who expressed interest to challenge Mr.Sata. If HH does not realiz, the same will happen to him when Sata seeks a third term. By that time HH will be about 70 years old and the old man will claim he is younger than HH even at 98. While in State House he can go for plastic surgery and change his NRC too who can stop him? I can not doubt his birth date is changing often too.
leave him alone m****** mwe ala!!!
But again what draws many to Sata may be pure desperation. This IS SAD! There are many things worse than poverty, desperation is one of them!
So chiluba wasnt lying Sata was? 2011 RB chabe
@107,Lokomicios. Dont get naive and entangled within your uneducated mind because some of us are doing fairly well, but we just do not want zambia, the only place our children will call their own, go the same direction it is going. Someone has said that if people who are ably poised to bring change or good do not carry the mantle of genuineness, damnation lies wihin their tongues and arm pits. PEACE Bro!
The electorate are equally to blame for not demanding for accountability from Politicians, whether opposition or ruling Party Politicians. Certain things should just not be tolerated from Politicians. All I see is that some Politicians are so desperate that they could sell this country!
#114 Arigato the Barotse Bull
You have made my day on one Michael Chilufya Sata. The man is just too incorrigible and nowadays I rarely comment about him cos I know him inside out from Chawama massacre,expelling 22 founding members he found in MMD when he defected from UNIP,infamous Third Term,name them.
Even former USA president Clinton had denied initially about having had an affair with Lewisnky. He only agreed when more information was being leaked. In same vein Sata was right to refuse because what Mumbi has displayed is a cabinet document which he is not entitled to hold. The question is who is has authorised that Mumbi to access Cabinet documents that he is not entitled? This is all desperation by Chiluba and RB trying to incite people to believe that is a bad man when they have committed more sins than at political level. RB must go or else our country will be reduced to a farm house behaviour. RB practised tribal segregation when he was at Namboard and was fired by KK, why are people deliberately forgetting how bad RB can be? It is because they want national cake for nothing.
georgeWbush,
So in your mind Sata is the solution to Zambia’s problems? Are you that naive to think so? Tell me what you see in sata to think that he is the one to bring about positive change? What really do you see in sata? I am serious.
Humble Empire,
Pure bigotry you have there: sata has the decency to shift a position and thus qualifies to be forgiven but RB no, he practiced tribalism in 1973 at namboard. What kind of myopic thinking is that. Balance up your logic man.
What people are forgetting that despite being in opposition, they are certain issues of national security and stability that require unity. In the West, sometimes the opposition will support the ruling party in matters of national security. It is highly irresponsible for the opposition to be making pronouncements on issues without assiduously studying the situation on the ground. That is what a good leader is about. Some issues are just too sensitive to be used to score political points. I wonder what HH’s stance on this issue is?
deja vu you like telling a lot of lies. The ban was for radio and tv to stop having phone in programmes on the issue. Newspapers can still carry the story just like Post did yesterday by not giving us a full picture of what sata said. today they have avoided sata totally because they know the man is in a fix.
THIS WHY THE POST IS AN EMBARASSMENT TO MEDIA ETHICS. SATA AND POST ARE BOTH LIARS
And according to The Post of January 22, 1996, Mr Sata held a Press briefing at which he announced that he had recommended to Dr Chiluba that the recognition of the Litunga should be withdrawn. Also threatened with similar action was Paramount Chief Mpezeni of the Ngoni people in Eastern Province. “As MMD, we have written to the president so that their chieftainship recognition can be dropped. “Once they lose government recognition, we shall now meet them as political opponents and we shall teach them a lesson,” said Mr Sata in a story carrying a headline ‘MMD warns Mpezeni, Litunga’
I have heard most of the deliberations on Mr. MC SATA and the barotse agreement ’64. To me it clearly vindicates my position the MR sata is not stable and will do anything to win votes and get to statehouse. If king cobra was honest he would have quickly accepted responsibilty for the collective cabinet decision and told us of his change of heart, instead of abusing MR mumbi as an FTJ stooge. Honest , Intergrity and acccountabilty are some of the basic values a society can thrive on and important conerstones upon which we can build ours for futue properity. Please let us all vote in mass , when election day comes. ONE ZAMBIA, ONE NATION.
Lokomicious, what ever you call yourself. A person who admits that past mistakes is better than who denies until he dead. The stubborn nature of Chiluba and RB is very dangerous and typical behaviour of thieves and crooks. So if those are your heroes that is not my problem continue. However, do not call me myopic because I do not Fu.ck your m.u.m
Humble Empire,
Thank you!
so who is fooling who? this story can be found in the national archives in black and white as reported by what we knew as the Post digging deeper but today it has just become a PF newsletter not worth even using in the toilet. what a fall from Grace. Sata was Chair of that committee and as national secretary of MMD he fought against all the good lozi, tonga and eastern politicians like, the late ngenda, andy mazoka, bennie mwiinga, paul tembo, penza and many others who he hounded out of MMD because they were a threat to his ambition of presidency. even people like ackson sejani who today without shame participate in a pact with a snake like sata. I wonder how these guys sleep at night knowing that they are betraying our nation Zambia just to blindly support a buffon and a satan like MCS?
so who is fooling who? this story can be found in the national archives in black and white as reported by what we knew as the Post digging deeper but today it has just become a PF newsletter not worth even using in the toilet. what a fall from Grace. Sata was Chair of that committee and as national secretary of MMD he fought against all the good lozi, tonga and eastern politicians like, the late ngenda, andy mazoka, bennie mwiinga, paul tembo, penza and many others who he hounded out of MMD
awaiting moderation come on LT whats up?
When I posted this blog on January 11, 2011 at 12:27 pm, I got ridiculed with all sorts of names. The reason why Sata has admitted is that there is more damaging Bad News to come out of this Saga, which will destroy him and make most Lozi speaking people disturbed & distressed. There is a hand manuscript that was written by Sata himself that he is scared to see it come out. >>>>
Sata is more like a loose and immoral woman who will sleep with any man to survive -From what is being revealed in this article, this is no insult.
….Cabinet Officer says: January 11, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Sata’s comments in The Post are untruthful and calculated. He was at the helm of the document.
He was the one that was given the task to make recommendations and drove everyone to agree only with what (he) Sata wanted to be in the document.In fact, the original draft was altered just to suit his outline and agenda. >>>>
….Cabinet Officer says: January 11, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Yes ! It is 100% true this document is there. I had just joined the cabinet office during that period. We drafted and printed this document and handed it to the then committee. I am now in the private sector but remember very well.
This even led to one Lozi Senior Cabinet Administrator resign because Sata had called the people of Western Province all sorts of names for wasting government time and money.
I know sometimes Mumbi is there in for Sata. However, on this one he is correct in Black & White. Sata needs to explain why he has changed his mind
Mr Sata can not make meaningful comments because the issue is a state secreet. If he comments, he may go to jail. FTJ has placed back a bomb in Sata’s hands
Sata is a damn good man..HH will finish like Nevers Mumba if he goes it alone..ba MMD baletina thats why they are writting stuff like that in thier times of ka Zambia..you mean out of 8 cabinet ministers its only Sata who is mentioned simply because he is the next president of Zambia
this story can be found in the national archives in black and white as reported by what we knew as the Post digging deeper but today it has just become a PF newsletter not worth even using in the toilet. what a fall from Grace. Sata was Chair of that committee and as national secretary of MMD he fought against all the good lozi, tonga and eastern politicians like, the late ngenda, andy mazoka, bennie mwiinga, paul tembo, penza and many others who he hounded out of MMD because they were a threat to his ambition of presidency. even people like ackson sejani who today without shame participate in a pact with a snake like sata. I wonder how these guys sleep at night knowing that they are betraying our nation Zambia just to blindly support a buffon and a satan like MCS?
cabinet officer, thank you for telling the truth here. sata is not fit for president and thats all three past republican presidents have never supported and all right thinking patriotic zambians have also never supported him. only illiterates and those who hate RB support him
What motivates Sata even above his Presidential aspirations is money. Whether he wins or loses, what is assured of him is donations both from local and abroad. His simple tactic is to keep the fire going wherher by lies, one man show attitude or whatever else. The money will come. Simple!
And HH/UPND can trust this man? – Rider and a horse!!! Or is it the case of using a condom when in need of protection and discarding it after satisfaction.
To have Sata as President would be the biggest mistake ever. Sata would mortgage this country:d
How some people can not debate national matter beyond political affiliation in Zambia is beyond me…
Try sometimes to look at an issue as it is presented to you… not to just dismiss everything because the information is coming from the other guys…
But seriously guys question the motive of such action on both sides we all know they want votes but lets not forget what is the best interest of a united Zambia
you should think beyond tomorrow you have family that will have to say what kind of Zambia you have left them
78 # georgeWbush
If I can ask a question. Can you list 5 Developemnt Plans you would do if you were a President that would FAST-TRACT Development in Zambia.
Also, Zambia does not only have loans from China. It has has loans fron USA, JAPAN, EUROPEAN UNION, BRITAIN, GERMANY, SOUTH AFRICA, CANADA, ITALY, NORWAY, HOLLAND, SWEDEN, WORLD BANK and the list goes on.
Which Political Party is better off ? The ones with Manifestos such MMD & UPND or the one has nothing but just believes in 90 Days Miracle Wonder.
National Development is having short & long term plans and meeting objectives.
#112 lokomicios and #111 Chomba Malaila. What I have learnt in life is that people change with circumstances. Shortly after Chiluba selected Mwanawasa I left the country when Sata quit MMD after seeing that he had been dribbled by Chiluba. Now I was shocked to learn that the country had risen in support of Sata I thought they were mad. But when I visited Zambia and interviewd the people I realised the main reason people love Sata is delivery period its not about him being nice or handsome or diplomatic but delivery and there is proof to that effect. If he says he will do something he makes sure its done, then what more do people want?
Hehe…only a very dull person can believe the Times of Zambia …a toilet paper that always misuses tax payers money. Sata was not the committee but one of the eight members of the said committe. The committee concluded that no BRA.. So what we want is to give us all the information in the report and all the 8 members who sat on it.
Not twisting the report against Sata. The other thing is that Sata has given his free opinion on the BRA and he says its not all about detatching the Barotzi land. So what do you want him to say?
The agreement is there and alive so no matter what you say it will resuface one day. So its better is tabled once and for all so that the matter is barried.
What are you afraid of tabling the BRA.
Lastly, it will not help, voting in 2011 is for PF .
Aata stop confusing poor Zambians. Please retire and relax at home peacefully, be adviser to young blood. humble inteligent Zambians.
No propaganda will stop PF and Sata win the 2011 elections. You like telling lies against Sata every day coz you know that he is a threat to MMD and thieves. But this will not help dear friends. Already people have made up their mind to vote for Sata and PF.
Sata is great man who has confounded the dull MMD thieves. The useless MMD is spending sleepless nights just coz of Sata. Sata Sata the politcal brain teaser.
Way Forward,
What delivery when he has never been a President but a minister under someone? He has delivered nothing to prove your assertions. The least Sata can do is give us his alternative policies??? But all he talks about is more money in the pocket, 90 day miracles and so on and so forth. Deep in your bones you for sure that Sata is not the right candidate to bring about positive change. Most people know that Sata can’t be the change Zambia needs.Those who support him have it all wrong. What motivates them is bigotry, frustrations, vengeance, ignorance, desperation.
The TruuutH 137
Alot of things happaened at that period that are very sickening. Sata did not want anything good for the Lozi People. Inonge Wina must by all mean have the stamina to look into Sata’s eyes if everything comes out in the open. She is just being used and nothing else.
As far as Sata was concerned, Zambia for him is only Northern Province, Luapula, Copperbelt & Central & Lusaka Provinces. Audio Recordings are there that were in other meetings, which will make Zambia think twice and question this man’s mental status.
Only a devil can look at other humans beings the way Sata views the rest of Zambia. HH as well will be shocked to see how Sata has always viewed people from Southern Province.
#147 lokomocious. Are you the only jew in Jerusalem who does not know what Sata has achieved as minister of local government and housing, minister of health etc. It is common knowledge lokomocious, just ask your neighbour(joke). Everyone is aware of Sata’s bedigree both good and bad that much I know.
Voting for sata is simply the most unintelligent and foolish thing Zambians would do. It is shocking and confounding that sata has people who support him even when they see and read his lies. Therefore, whether people like it or not they will always be people who will support villains for various reasons. What remains a fact is that such people as Sata will bring about more misery than supporters will ever foresee. Sata by his lies must clearly warn people about what to expect from him but do they care? Not at all. This is the sad part of reality.
#Kambongolo……..You are right the Times of Zambia writes false news, but would you not be fair if you said;
”The Times of Zambia does Not write good about my master Sata, while Post always writes good about my master Sata. And the Post does not write good about RB, while Times of Zambia writes good about RB”
When writing my brother, do not throw away your sober judgement.
Cabinet Officer, dont tell lies. Chiluba was the president and not MCS. Bring out the recordings you say are there. Do you think MMD would have not brought these out?
When given RB and Sata really a normal person will chose Sata. Sata is against corruption while RB has embraced corruption and the great thieves of Zambia Chiluba and Chungu will campain for RB in this year’s elections.
So it is clear that Sata is better than RB on this one. So Its PF and Sata this year…not MMD a party for thieves.
Zambia needs to go back to One Zambia & One Nation. This was a foundation that made us all united and not politicians that will choose one sector of the nation to be true Zambians
Being someone from Eastern province, I am proud to have married a half Bemba & Lozi. My children speak Bemba, Lozi, Ngoni & Tumbuka & English
I have that Sata has denied giving the interview to TIMES OF ZAMBIA.
Way Forward,
Puliz, is that what you mean by delivery? You by pass many things (good and bad) only to pick what Sata did as Minister. You see what he did but are blind to everything else. I hope you understand what I am talking about. Sata has to table what his policies will be to make what you are saying sensible. But that is clearly not in his mind. What he knows best is to say what the masses want to hear, ticlish stories and appetizing menus for people longing to have their stomachs filled.
#26 Real Man say. I agree with you on the biased papers in Zambia. There is no professionalism in Zambian journalism. Its who feeds who.
#29: Real Man says.
I agree with you on the biased papers in Zambia. There is no professionalism in Zambian journalism. Its who feeds who.
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@ 147 lokomocious, you said it all! Sata is not the rigth material now. The man can only be surrounded by people whose intergrity is very qustionable.Ask me , what intergrity has Scott, or adulterous Given Lubinda? Scott cannot think straight because of the swine fever from the pigs that he killed and ate in1992. Lubinda’s thinking is clogged with ARVs he takes after diving into a pool of VIRUSES at the airport. May be Sondashi herbal formula can ‘unclog’ his brain. But winter Kabimba is just messing himself.He is better off with UPND. He must have beeen bewitched for him to behave like he does now! He was always my man in politics!
Kambongolo 153
Sorry ! Sata is corrupt as well. The corruption that Sata did was Directly connected with Chiluba. They did some bad deeds together. Just because he was not implicated into the corrupt charges, it does not nake him to be clean. Levy resigned because of Sata.
Chiluba gave Sata brown envelops on numerous times that did not go to benefit MMD or GRZ. This is the reason why Sata knows that he Chiluba cannot say anything to implicate him.
By the way, he still has US $25,000 waiting for him by South Africa Authorities
Guys just a Quick one has any one of you ever heard “Loteria Nacional” Where by you get a letter that you have been selected by their random computer selection and you are a winner.you give your personal details such as : age,sex,occupation ,emailaddress,bank details etc.
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People of Zambia listen to the folly of cabinet office, Sata rejected the BRA , is this true or untrue? Who was the president of Zambia to have accepted the finding of the committee? Sata or chiluba? How many committee members were they….8 ofcourse, why then the Times of Zambia has singled out only Sata? ..coz they want to decampaign Sata., yes this true. Why are they failing to name the other eight committee members on the BRA ? These are some of the questions which point to the fact that only a very mentally chalenged person will feed on the blue lies of the toilet paper TZ.
We know that there is a vicious campaign against Sata for he is a great threat to the thieving MMD and RB. The fact is that people of Zambia will vote for Sata this year.
Lets go Sata , go go PF.
The people who support Sata may have very good reasons to do so, but in outlook, by the people he associates with, by his past and present behavior, I think it is amply clear that Sata can’t be that leader that Zambians need. His party has never had a single convention showing lack of internal democracy, he championed the third term bid for ftj, he often makes contradictory statements about almost anything the latest being the topic of discussion, also remember concerning chinese, late President, Chiluba’s arrest and so on and so forth. So why on earth would anyone want to vote for him? The evidence is so plain!
#151 You have a point but in this case what the Times has wrote is true. They have not made up the story about Sata backtracking as regards the BA. His supporters know this but they have to come up with a formula of saving face. As I have said before, Sata needs to learn to hold his horses. As an aspiring president of the Republic of Zambia, he needs to know the cultural, social and ethnic make up of each province in great detail. Yes, he can now claim to be in favour of the agreement but what about those people in the province who are against it? Before making any statement on the issue, he should have taken time to assess the feelings on the ground and not just see an opportunity to score political points. W province is lost to him now as is the Zambian presidency.
# 140 the country has already been mortgaged.
Sata is the one standing on the pedestal claiming that he supports the Baroste agreement, not the other members he sat with in the committeeeee, isn’t that clear enough? AND NONE OF THEM HAVE AMBITIONS TO BE PRESIDENT OF THIS COUNTRY, why should the barrels be pointing at them?
Guys propaganda against Sata will not work? How many times and days have lies told against Sata? So many times such that now people are tired of these insipid lies. Always the MMD thieves are briging stories to turnish the image of Sata and PF. Really MMD is showing stinking desperation as we approach the election date.
This will no do guys ….people will not mind but vote for Sata this year 2011.
Nothing will change the mind of people ..nothng at all.
152 zambiaunited ####
Common! Think again.
Why do you think the MMD is disclosing these materials at this time?
Its Election Year. I can promise you that the closer we get to elections the more will come out from both PF & MMD camps attacking each other.
Take a backseat in the Armchair and stay alert. MMD are keeping all the Bad & Dirty Laundry that they will unleash, as time gets closer
Sata has denied giving the interview to TIMES OF ZAMBIA.
@***** nkaki says
That is fake almost everyone gets those at some point never reply or open the emails period
Sata has been rejected 3times already, why will he be voted for now? What has he done differently now to make things different? what new thing has he done to now finally win Zambians hearts? His best chance was 2008, that was his last good opportunity. This time around, he will be wounded for good never to rise again. This time, he will be forced to retire by the type of loss he will incur.If he continues, it will only be for fund raising.
The world is just laughing at the desperation of the MMD thieves. They have once again regrouped. Chiluba and Chungu have come back …just wait and see how together with RB they will ra.pe Zambian economy.These are the people who should not be allowed to come closer to the coffers of Zambia.
But us zambians will make sure that RB loses the presidency so jail chiluba and chungu hard. We know that today there is misuse of money by the RB govnt..but we are not minding in that we will jail them come december this year.
People have seen what Sata can do, the MMD thieves have failed to bribe him, Sata has stood his stance as a politician who means business with people. Thats why people like him.
Its all Sata and PF this year whether you like it or not.
pipo listen and listen carefully! THIS ISSUE OF BA WAS IN THE ZAMBIAN COURTS IN 1991. THE LAWYER [Ngenda] (one of our many fallen heroes) WHO WAS REPRESENTING BAROTSELAND WAS SHOT IN COLD BLOOD AT ZAMBIA MOTORSPORT CLUB and THATS HOW THEY (FTJ et al) MANAGED TO SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET AND EVEN ENDORSE ITS DE-RECOGNITION THROUGH THE THEN CABINET COMMITTEE( which was also 100% northerner). TAKE THIS ISSUE TO ANY COURT, EVEN ICC, ROTSES WILL WIN BECAUSE ITS SO STRAIGHT FORWARD. THATS WHY THEY KILLED THAT BRILLIANT LAWYER AND NOW MANY MORE OF US HAVE COME-UP AND ARE READY TO TAKE THIS ISSUE UP AGAIN EVEN UPTO THE UN COUNCIL.
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The TruuutH 126
There is more to that – when Sata said that he will teach a lesson to Litunga & Mpezeni in The Post Article. ANd that he did not recognise these two Paramount Chiefs.
Yes this was carried the The Post. This interview was recorded and edited by the Post because Sata had gone to far on his comments. I am not sure why the Post could not trasnscript the whole story.
The whole transcript is at ZANIS as well for anyone to listen. I am sure someone will bring it to the public soon it they have not misplaced the archives
This is what propaganda can do,gentlemen and ladies,if it was a committee of 8,why pick on the views of one person,i would like to know who else was in that committee and what their stand was.
Anyhow coming from a goverment controlled institution it cannot be true
@ 167 Cabinet Officer, its people like u who dont think. Ask yourself why Sata is turning round today when he never bellieved in the BRE.Its only the gullible like you, Guy Scott, Kabimba,lubinda who will stick to him like a tick
Lies upon lies will not help the desperate MMD thieves. This year MMD is going away from state house.
No propaganda of any sort will help, we have made up our mind to vote out MMD.
@ ZEBIGGY says:
It is because he is still and very much a public figure with interest in running the country thats why
# thanks bro the did not even use my first name.It all sounded too strange.
I meant # 169
stupid zambians
Chandasema 175#
You have lost your mind.
I am NOT SATA. I was among the first people that questioned SATA’s bad motives as to why he has suddenly changed his mind about BRE
Can you read my comments above on 131#, 133#, 134# &148#. Also pay attention the question
152 zambiaunited raised to me.
It’s about time Sata’s doubled standards came out. And Yes, MMD will tell the world the true colours of Sata by unleashing his dirty laundry being the election year.
Chandasema. You are s.t.u.p.i.d. Cabinet Officer is not supporting Sata. Are you following. I.d.i.o.t
The truth that we do not have credible leaders in Zambia. RB is a tribalist playboy who enjoys being in the company of the most corrupt people in the land and has no shame that he compaigned on the pretext of upholding LPM’s legacy which he has completely thrown away. HH is a capitalist opportunist who with no shame took advantage of FTJ’s evil privatisation to enrich himself. Sata is a selfish opportunist who will flow with the wind as long as it benefits him. The other politicians are hell benefit on nothing but filling up their stomachs. We should begin to build our younger generation to redeem us from these people. Younger people that have not been corrupted by the lures of current politics
Comrade Sata seems to be finishing himself. His flip0flop style is catching up with him now. All these revelations are placing a diminishing influence on the person as presidential candidate. Nobody would like to have a man in that office who can change at any time on every issue he handles. Obviously even he as PF leader he will not let-go the Barotseland. That will be impossible. I think there`s something that comes upon the man and after a while it lifts off him. He needs prayers, seriously. He can do better as opposition to provide checks and balances and not occupying plot one. Am asking all praying saints to begin praying for the man to come right in his conduct and speech. Lets demand integrity by prayer. Its only God who can help him. Man indeed will let you down. God bless Zambia.
Zambian pipo I have said it before not to trust that old pig Satan. He can’t be trusted coz he changes. Today he can say things & come tomorrow he will change. Don’t that pig! He is of no good to Zambia. The person is full of lies money in the pockets & I will honour BRE once voted in power when all along you have been against it. ***** you just lie your fellow stupid kaponyas who are fools!
# 184, there is really no one among our current politicians who can be trusted.
Of course only weak minded people can be cheated by RB and Kiluba. Let RB show leadership becoz since the Barotse issue began he has never seriously addressed it, all he does is issuing threats without issuing a statement on the position of his government. This government is not couragious! Atleast Sata has declared openly what his party`s stand is on the Barotse issue.
The truth is this current MMD lacks quality and smart leadership— i mean, how can Siliya say government banned radio programs on Barotse issue? Thats being dumb! Incompetent and dumb leaders always rush to silencing the media. People are getting are getting emotive about the issue becoz the presiden has not shown smart leadership on the issue.
Sata was number 1 instigator for FJTs 3rd term. He was in the inner circle of power, now he wants him arrested. He was issuing pangas to vigilantes. The use of vigilates was pioneered by Sata until the police started clamping down and jailed some PF hooligans. He now is supporting terrorist groupings that could break up zambia and unlish civil wars like Frank Bwalya and BRE just to futher his plot one ambitions. aside tribalistic support only fo.ols with no wish for a better Zambia would support this man.
LTs most objective blogger MUSHOTA is missing in action. No article is complete without her contribution.
Shameless?
Walasa LADY GAGA. Simple’s
#187 kc – are you sure sata not chiluba was the #1 instigator? Why would sata suggest such a thing?
#80 Deja Vu, phone in media programmes, phone in programmes. Do you read or if you do read, do you understand what you read?
#105, pa boat is your democratic choice. The majority have already made up their mind where they will place their vote. For those who have not made up their minds, the Post and Sata himself will convince them soon. There are bundles of records at the Post about what Sata said in the past and what he is saying now. I told you that Post is not a good campaign strategy, didn’t I?
If Chiluba misruled this country, Sata was there in full support. Doesn’t it follow logically that if indeed FJT was the epitome of corruption then Sata was an accomplice? So if there is corruption in this country, how does the same Sata become the messiah that will stamp it out?
The thought of that opportunistic octogenarian becoming president seriously scares me. The trouble with Mr Sata is that he does not always engage his brains before he speaks. The old dog is probably too long in the tooth to learn new tricks, but his unrestrained verbal incontinence can be very irresponsible and could potentially have dire repercussions for the nation. Take the statement he made in 2006 when facing Mwanawasa and Hichilema for the presidency when he said that he was up against the ‘ bantu botatwe’. Was that not an invitation to divide the nation along tribal line. Awe ena Sata teti a teke
My conclusion is that this website is an MMD propaganda tool and it was created to waste our precious time. It is strategically tailored at issuing news that promotes MMD while at same time deliberately discrediting the opposition. Some one from MMD decided to have the website when they realised that the Post could be reached world wide using through internet. It is a very biased website.
How many times can one lie? one day your lies will follow you.Zambians wake up from your slumber we need real change!
#196 Kashimani, I do not agree with you when the truth is said let us not blame the LT.Bembas say inchishinka chilakalipa (The Truth pains) On this one there is no Propaganda.Our old man can cause trouble in his speeches. He must tame his tongue. See how the BA has caused more confusion because of big mouth of our leaders.
When is mr Sata suing George Kunda? the ultimatum expired weeks ago. Is he growing cold feet now? Iwe Serpent sue kabili, why did you make those stu.pid threats if you can not follow through? do you have any balls?
Surgeon General’s Warning: Reading propaganda from State owned media like Times of Zambia IS DANGEROUS. You may find it difficult to come to terms with reality afterwards.
@ Cabinet officer, sorry it was my mistake. Wasnt meant for you. My apologies
207# Chandasema
Not to worry! Enjoy the day…
I think the ban on madia live phone-in progs is a right move. However, objective dialogue and impartial reporting on the matter should be observed.
No 199 don’t be too sure. who told you the majority of the pipo have chosen sata. You will be the people looting when Sata does not win. No polls of any kind have been done in zambia. therefore don’t say you know what the majority want. such notions will cause chaos after announcement of election results
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