President Edgar Lungu is scheduled to meet Barotseland activists to find a better way of resolving and settling the thorny issues of the Barotseland agreement.
And Mr. Lungu has underscored his government’s commitment to diligently work towards fulfilling campaign promises which the Patriotic Front made to the people of Zambia.
He said he will soon travel to Western province to get first-hand information about the Barotseland agreement.
“I will go to Western province to meet people of Barotseland next week when we get back to Zambia,” he said last night when he addressed Zambians living in Ethiopia.
President Lungu said he will ask the Barotseland activists to show him where the boundaries are and to tell him who the constituencies were so that he could know who was involved and possibly hold a referendum on the issue in the area.
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President Lungu said the issue of tribalism in Zambia was promulgated by people who have the feeling of deprivation.
He explained that although the issue of tribalism was not very serious, Zambians should meticulously speed up their pace towards fighting it.
“Zambia is intact and still One Zambia! One nation. We will keep saying no to any attempts aimed at dividing us because of politics,” he stressed.
Mr. Lungu disclosed that he has also asked chiefs to help find a formula of addressing the matter which can divide the country.
The President said his government will always engage concerned people and parties in dialogue so as to reach a consensus on contentious issues.
“No government has ever survived on arm-twisting citizens but all governments have survived on consensus and compromise,” he said.
He further said government was committed to providing Zambians with a new constitution.
The President explained that there may be delays in delivering the new constitution to Zambians because of the colossal sums of money required to go for a referendum to change certain clauses.
Mr Lungu said his government will always be honest with what it will do for the people of Zambia.
Earlier, President Lungu assured Zambians in the diaspora that the country was intact and that citizens were united.
He said Zambians living abroad should therefore help the government to persuade investors because Zambia was peaceful and full of investment potential in all areas of the economy.
Mr. Lungu said Zambians should also invest in their country because the investment environment in Zambia is very good and profitable.
And Zambia’s Ambassador to Ethiopia, Susan Sikaneta said her mission staff and other Zambians in that country would work hard in order to help develop their nation.
Ambassador Sikaneta, who is also Zambia’s Permanent Representative to the African Union, said there were many professional Zambians working in international agencies and organisations based in Ethiopia.
She thanked government for helping the mission in Addis Ababa towards developing a property given to it by the Ethiopian government.
The mission in Ethiopia will in the next three month start building flats for workers at the Zambian embassy in order to reduce on rentals.
Meanwhile, Minister of Foreign Affairs Harry Kalaba assured Zambians living abroad that government will this year have a policy that will take care of their interests.
President Lungu, Mr. Kalaba, Minister of Health Joseph Kasonde, Acting Minister of Gender, Jean Kapata and some senior government officials are in Addis Ababa attending the 24th African Union summit, which opened today.
First Lady Esther Lungu is also in Ethiopia attending Organisation of African First Ladies Against HIV/AIDS (OAFLA) meeting that is taking place on the side-lines of the AU summit.
Yesterday, Mrs. Lungu attended the First Ladies steering committee meeting at the AU headquarters in Addis Ababa.
I like the Obama type of approach Edgar Lungu has to issues. Meeting challenges head on and not burrying his head.
“I will go to Western province to meet people of Barotseland next week when we get back to Zambia,”
Its not “western province” but Barotseland. Surely the African Union were questioning the Zambian leadership how Barotseland became part of Zambia without the agreement. The international community are now aware of Zambians oppression and suppression of the people of Barotseland.
Indeed the tribalism exhibited at the ended presidential elections speaks volume.We have tried to reason with the rogue Zambian leaders to implement this international covenant, but alas. The Zambian people & school curriculum where denied facts about Barotseland & Northern Rhodesia’s birth certificate, BA’64.
Time has come for free Barotseland!
Tukongote Litunga Ni Lyetu!
The Skeleton Key…
….~206~
Viva Barotseland, viva freedom,and viva liberty!
It is known where the boundary is. If not ask the colonisers they will provide maps. Freedom is imminent. It is not right to say tribalism is being promulgated by people who have the feeling of deprivation. That is tribalism again. Tribalism is promulgated by people that want to continue dominating others (eating masuku on other people’s heads).
@skeleton. Na taha nina! The only way forward is to give us back our borsteland and keep your tribalism in your zambia. All tongas free passage into barosteland others must apply for visas we’ll check everything makamaka tribe and political affiliation
Greeen Ndobo,
Wahesu, kinako muchaha! “Look at ezy knee ma we call ba”, Kopano ki Maata.
Before even Lungu goes to Barotseland, he should unconditionally release our people, Hon Administrator General, Afumba Mombotwa, Nayoto Mwenda, Sikwibele Wasilota, Boris Musiba & Mwauluka from the filthy Zambian jail.
These heroes of Barotseland need to be present at this point in time, so that our Barotseland’s divorce with Northern Rhodesia is amicably reached.
Gongi ilile!
Ndate Songolo,
The Skeleton Key
~206~
Let tribalists remain in denial and wondering in Zambia where democracy is only on people’s lips, not in the the heart.
Viva la la la land la la Barotseland, the land of our forefathers.
Ndobo, utiye minange nji mukulwange!?
@1.3 Mike – If you know where the boundary is, why don’t you go ahead and produce the maps. Is that difficult for you to do or you’re just pretending that you know. It will be interesting how many of you chaps will re-locate from Lusaka to Mongu and how many will give up their Zambian passports for those of Barotseland.
Two approaches can sort out the mess in Zambia. Federal State or secession. I wonder if there is any North-Westerner who would want to remain in Zambia. The majority of would certainly want go for secession. Right now, Zambia is marinated in corruption, nepotism, tribalism, uncivilized culture of stealing and insults. Nobody wants to live in a country that has such elements so we are forced to relocate to better and civilized countries to raise our children from.
That a better approach. Tell them withoit mincing words.. This issue is a non starter. .the whole issue is now irrevant. If they insist ,let the province hold a refarendum. Apart from a handfull ,they majority are against this agitation
For sure nothing is good about you, just as your name entails, ” Zabwino Palibe”.
Continue living in your dwellings of denial dear, Barotseland is moving forward to independence.
The time you, if you ever wake up from your own slumber, Barotseland is moving and returned to her original status prior to 24th October, 1964.
If you know nothing about Barotseland better shut up! Barotseland is not Zambia and vice versa.
Watch this space, the train taking Barotseland to her final destination is unfortunately unstoppable, join or get out off the tracks, for you risk being smashed.
Tukongote Litunga Ni Lyetu!
The Skeleton Key
~206~
I even have a hardcopy of that piece of crap. Each time i read i laugh aloud.
1. First queestion, who coined and drafted that agreement.
2. What was the motive?
3. What were the prevailing circumstances.
When whites came ofcourse they wanted minerals, the asked the extent of barotse. The answer they got was FA FA FAAAA!
THATS THE WHOLE FALLACY. FA FAAAAAAAAAAAA!
@skeleton. Your knowledge about BRE 64 is skeleton.
Read the barotse agreement.
Never does it mention returning or going back to the original status before 1964 independence.
@Zabwino Palibe (ZP)
I think the tendency of referring to other people’s views as ‘crap’ for simply not agreeing with them is a sign of lack of civility. You lose nothing by simply responding in a calm manner without insults.
Let me give you free online education.
The BRE 64 gives the litunga more power other than what he enjoys today
In short more oppresion for the people of barotse land.
After tasting democracy who can accept tha nosence.
There will be demanded taxes or royalties to the Litunga to be adminsterd by the cliquen
Thats the basic version of the BRE64
ZP
The Barotseland Agreement 1964 is in my blood, surely its you who needs to do so and pay attention, that way you might understand.
Be informed that my thesis is on Barotseland, the best I can do for you right now is, please go to Barotsepost.com and intoxicate yourself with realistic knowledge about Barotseland.
The facts about Barotseland and Northern Rhodesia are in abundance, whilst KK the dictator of 27 years denied such imperative information.
Wake up early from your slumber, and if you need to be educated on this issue, truly, I’m the right person to infuse your medulla oblongata with empirical evidence of the Kingdom of Barotseland.
If you know nothing dear, please, I suggest you just mute!
London Eyes Tukongote!
The Skeleton Key
~206~
@2.5 Zabwino Palibe & (ZP) Double sim
You are our Online hero. A true Zambian Patriot. Please continue to argue the case online for us.
It takes too much energy to argue with @Wanzelu and @ Skeleton. They are SOOOOOOOO emotionally over- wrought, it’s always ‘their way or the high road!’ Unpleasant.
I never understand why Southern PRV. never blame the British government for this. Go to an international Human Rights Court and sue their behinds. I would suggest His Excellency takes Ambassador Thornton to Barotseland when he goes to meet with the Activists. Let Thornton see his governments doing and how it affects peace in our country today.
I think Ambassador Thornton should begin talks with UK to request a Funding for all issues related to this matter.
Mr President.Can you change the law which prohibit those in the diaspora to bring in several vehicles which they own.We are just allowed one vehicle duty free.Could you please help in this issue Sir.
Dash. And the process of having it cleared into zambian number plate is a huge mountain to climb my brother. You need an Agent for what I do not know.
Well done Mr president, but be mindful that due to uneven playing fields our underprivileged lot are operating in democracy may not always be best, being Africans a little dictatorship is necessary for smooth implementation of projects..
If you Give The Lozis the Barotseland. We the Chewas will demand Chewaland under Paramount Chief Gawa Undi, because we cover katete, Sinda, Chadiza and Lundazi Districts and part of Chipata and Muchinga.
If the precedence is set we shall also secede. And I am sure the Bembas are also watching.
Very soon all chiefdoms will demand to be independent countries.
It will be a sad ending for Zambia if the precedence is set.
My advice to President Lungu is to stand firm and not fall prey to tribalists.
TUTU …These Lozi’s had there own kingdom before joining us ! so you can not compare the two ….
Show us the Treaties that you signed!
@ Tutu
Actually ivi vibene skeleton nivi bantu vopusa, tisiyeni tinkale ziko imozi so chabe kupusa bati…nzelu monga ni Muhali Muhali ati skeleton malabishi!
Lungu is very articulate, most lawyers are. And one thing for sure, what the government needs to do to as an addendum to the Agreement is to agree on a development contract with the people of the land. Perhaps a 10 point approach.
his exallency, as you come to barotse land, remember your promise as pf to the people of barotseland during your campains in 2011. The time for making empty promises is long gone. We want what belongs to us, we are tied of being opressed by the zambian government.viva. Barotseland.
What is it that belongs to you? Lungu should not waste his time on fools like you.
During the just ended elections campaign, there was door to door ifnroamtion that dont vote for hakainde. if you give him power, he and the people of western and north western are planning to divide the country into two.
ask a bemba in luapula, northern muchinga and eastern. ask them. there were even sms which just flowed among them. they are very united and secretive.
but they didnt know that i am a kabamba, a mbunda.
the issue of barotse Agreement is serious, lungu has been told at the AU, thats why he has talked about it. he has been encouraged to deal with it quickly as zambia is in the wrong. i believe he has asked for time.
Let us all, as zambians, give him support to deal with the matter, it will help with the polarization that is currently hit the country.
President Lungu please come to Western Province and ask these separatists were there barotseland starts and ends because some of us natives of Western Province DO NOT support and DO NOT recognise it because we believe it is a fraud.
When the agreement was signed our people, our Nkoya Chiefs were not consulted nor were they invited to the signing of this agreement.
We believe that Western Province must be split into 2 provinces. We the Nkoyas have proposed Kafue Province so that we are no longer associated with the barotse fanatics.
We await you Sir!!
I think this is precisely the point. Under what authority did the Litunga sign the agreement with the British colonial master to have it as a protectorate? Who were consulted among the Chiefs and peoples of the areas covered under this same agreement? This question is cardinal to be answered before one even starts getting into the Barotse agreement with Northern Rhodesia. What the President has stated about clarifying and agreeing to the actual borders of Basutoland in question is very important. Am sure the Nkoyas and the Mbundas, as well as others also have their own story and must be heard, this is democacy, isn’t it?
Humility is important but Mr.President why go there just for this? You will not manage to go to all flash points in the country! It would be better for you to invite them in the presence of neutral organisations like the Church, respected NGOs and professional bodies and then ask them all the pertinent questions. As long as Barotseland has not yet seceded, the affected are Zambian citizens and should be treated as such. Better invite them rather than going there!
Some of you are dull. What is the difference?
When is this nkani going to end? Just hold a referendum, decide on borders and let them go their way. Zambians will need passports to go and watch Koumboka and the Barotse will also need passports and resident permits, work permits to live/work in Zambia. And everyone will be happy! Nkani yasila!
This is the best comment I have read on this site ! well said…
We shud blame ourselves for this mess! Mbikusita, Chona etc gave LEADERSHIP to the NE Rhodesians. WE were the educated and WE gave it up for crying out loud! But this time WE are not making the same mistake – Mr Lungu u don’t want us, let US go ! We have always known OUR destiny and we shall survive – FOWARD !
Next to secede must be the Bantu botatwe. They have continued to suffer abuse at the hands of nyanjas and bembas. There is no such thing as one Zambia one nation. We are different nations.
Baroseland borders are based on the territory under its jurisidction between
1900 and 1947. The Eastern boundary stretches from the confluence of the Zambezi river with river Chiababi (longitude 26 degrees East), upwards to Itezhi-Tezhi and along the Kafue river to its confluence with the river Chiababi. The Northern border stretches from the confluence of Lufupa river with river the Kafue, westwards to the Lungwebungu river, (longitude 22 degrees East). The Western boundary starts from Lungwebungu river (Latitude 13 degrees 28 minutes South) then southward to Cuando river, down to the confluence of Cuando with river Luiana, extending to Katima Mulilo Rapids and running along the Zambezi, eastwards to its confluence with river Chiababi (longitude 26 degrees East), the beginning…
@Nkoya nationalist.
you will need to know your history, nkoya nationalist.
when mwanawina was signing the BA64, he consulted the kuta, which comprised nkoya representatives. even mbunda.
mwanawina himself was a nkoya by descent, by his mother, from mwene kahare.
the ma kwa mwenyi migrated from kaoma to go and do fishing, as much as the nkoya settled in many places namely chibombo, parts of kazungula, kalabo near makoma, and mankoya. mankoya also has hybrid mbundas.
the descent by nkoyas was started by chiluba to destroy your cultural unity.
at present, you may not even be aware that mwene mutondo has a cordial relation with the king.
u may need to know that things are changing my friend
Nkoya nationalist, be careful, if you get swallowed by the bemba and nyanja, you are finished. think and refflect.
finally, you will need to know that the chieftainship of mutondo and kahare never existed at the signing of the BA64, they were only recognised by chiluba recently, from being ngambelas appointed by the litunga.
as for kahare, he is directly connected by blood to the litungaship, just many of us are to the nkoya.
it is difficult for you to go to barotseland and define a pure nkoya, most have mixed blood, mbunda, nyengo, luvale etc, the whole land.
your nationalist mind is way out of reality
We shud blame ourselves for this mess! Mbikusita, Chona etc gave LEADERSHIP to the NE Rhodesians. WE were the educated and WE gave it up for crying out loud! But this time WE are not making the same mistake – Mr Lungu u don’t want us, let US go ! We have always known OUR destiny and we shall survive – FOWARD !
Western Province is more than one tribe, this shall unfold very nicely. Empower the weaker smaller tribes and then let there be e referendum.
There shall never be Barotse land until the second coming of our lord Jesus Christ. So dream on. Hallucinations are allowed.
@2.5 Zabwino Palibe & (ZP) Double sim
You are our Online hero. A true Zambian Patriot. Please continue to argue the case online for us.
It takes too much energy to argue with @Wanzelu and @ Skeleton. They are SOOOOOOOO emotionally over- wrought, it’s always ‘their way or the high road!’ Unpleasant.
I never understand why Southern PRV. never blame the British government for this. Go to an international Human Rights Court and sue their behinds. I would suggest His Excellency takes Ambassador Thornton to Barotseland when he goes to meet with the Activists. Let Thornton see his governments doing and how it affects peace in our country today.
I think Ambassador Thornton should begin talks with UK to request a Funding for all issues related to this matter.
Obviously he will be accompanied by the whole Military, Defence a Force combined when he goes to meet them!!
We may never see his Excellency again because of these Thugs, then we’ll be at war for sure!
Two approaches can sort out the mess in Zambia. Federal State or secession. I wonder if there is any North-Westerner who would want to remain in Zambia. The majority of would certainly want go for secession. Right now, Zambia is marinated in corruption, nepotism, tribalism, uncivilized culture of stealing and insults. Nobody wants to live in a country that has such elements so we are forced to relocate to better and civilized countries to raise our children from.
@20 The Visionary
It’s not true that there is a general consensus in NW.
Fact is that only a few remotely NW who reside abroad or neibours go countries have formed a cartel to ‘carve ‘ a bit of Zambia for themselves.
Furthermore, there it is untrue to suggest NW is free from Corruption, and all the ills you state.
This agenda has come about because of Treasonist and business interest groups funding HH.
Zambians will NEVER allow you to take part of Zambia.
(Patriot Abroad) How did Mulenga Sata become mayor of Lusaka? NW has been neglected for a very long time ! I could go on and on but what’s the point ?
The President is very live to this Barotseland issue! This is no simple matter as portrayed by some pipo! There are other tribes like mbundas, Nkoyas etc who have a stake in this whole thing. The boarders go beyond Zambia…..are u sure these other countries will listern to what these foolish lozis are saying? Let’s wait en see!
ladies and gentlemen, one may thinks this is a better road map to this problem. As an analyst in military strategic study much as you advocate for this, you need to think about the consequences of such actions. For real Sudan successfully went for referendum and it happened but today what do we see. A power vacuum has since been created which wasn’t in the initial plan. Many small ethnicity groups want self rule and no one wants to be governed by the minority hence total ungovernable has befallen the newly born country. There has been total chaos in that country. no governance is taking place people have even suffered than before, other an planned activities are unfolding and so on. as much as we want the baloseland agreement to have it’s recognition let us think and plan outside…
the box and carryout analytical thought processes before we start acting on the proponents as the case is now. Great minds think in reverse and see the desired end state and see through the futuristic products whether they’re feasible or not, tangible or not and above all have the obstetrics interest for the minority to serve and indeed not for a group of power thirsty to benefit. if this is what all are thinking about the referendum to be a positivist approach then the road map must be drawn for interest of all parties to this consensual matter at hand. Great men like Alexander the Great once said that “to emplore your ability to access 30% of human minds you must first access 30% of your inner abilities in order to influence and impose your will to whim the majority to follow your…
So those in inter-marriages naba Barotse muntus shall have to divorce like what happened in Sudan. But definitely being a man, children nikuli awisi. Nowander these barotse thugs like calling other tribes more especially bemba’s ati munyukunyuku, kimasholi. You see they are so shallow minded and very selfish, why want to divide the country???
Go to western province and see how much so called development the area has received after 50 years of independence ? ONE ZAMBIA ONE NATION IS JUST A CHEAP SLOGAN! YOU MY FRIEND TALK LIKE A BEMBA SELFISH AND SELFCENTRED BUT ALSO ACCUSING OTHER TRIBES OF IT! THE GAME IS UP! THIS IS ALL KK’S FAULT WHY SIGN AN AGREEMENT IN BAD FAITH? TWO WAYS FORWARD RESTORE THE AGREEMENT OR SPLIT THE COUNTRY BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO BE A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN IN THERE OWN COUNTRY!
EL has already declared that Zambia is indivisible. Its a unitary state as per the 1964 and reaffirmed 1996 constitutions. Seceding is day dreaming by bandits who have failed to excel in Zambia but want to come and victimize other tribes in this region. What these bandits have failed to inflict on the so called dominant tribes in unitary state is what they want to come and do to the other tribes who in their twisted minds are small and weak tribes. But they will be shocked.
You only claim to be king if you defeated all tribes in the so called Barotse land. Show us the history of the wars you fought against the lambas, lenjes, tongas, luvale, kaondes. It is not there my friend. Ends your wild dreams
Divide and conquer will not work with us try that nonsense in Bemba land! we don’t want be ruled by thieves anymore get over it!
Its only western province that wants to leave !
If the Tonga’s want to join us who are we to stop them?
WISDOM
We all know that wisdom is better than money. Why can’t we seat down and discuss the Lozis and hear where we Bembas have gone wrong ? Second, ask them if other countries have agreed to give them the land that belonged to Barotseland “Zimbabwe , Botswana, Namibia, Angola and Congo”, us ZAMBIANS we don’t have any problem because we are staying with them and we want to stay with them and we are already with them as brothers and sisters. Just as we always advise UPND Party to go and campaign in Provinces like Luapula, Eastern, Copperbelt, and others rather than campaigning in Southern and Western where it is already have majority, it is waisting of time. Let The Lozis go and fight for Diamond in Botswana, oil from Angola,gold from Congo Than asking for independence which they…
don’t show us your ignorance we all know where the boundaries are…kaufela
The President said his government will always lock , maim and kill concerned people of Barotseland
That’s been Zambian government style from independence
That is a very good tip particularly to those fresh to the blogosphere.
Simple but very precise information… Many thanks for
sharing this one. A must read article! math problem,
I think that everything published was very logical.
However, think on this, what if you wrote a catchier title?
I ain’t suggesting your information is not solid, however suppose you added a title that grabbed a person’s attention?
I mean Zambia : President Lungu to meet barotseland activists to resolve Barotse Agreement is a
little vanilla. You should glance at Yahoo’s front page and watch how they create article headlines to get people to open the links.
You might add a related video or a pic or two to get people excited
about everything’ve got to say. In my opinion, it
would bring your…