Paramount Chief Chitimukulu Kanyanta Manga of the Bemba speaking people has distanced Bembas from comments made by PF Secretary General Davies Chama.
Chief Chitimukulu has said that he will not entertain people that engage in divisive politics.
The traditional leader has strongly condemned people bent on promoting tribal politics in the country.
Speaking through the Bemba Royal Establishment, spokesperson James Mulenga, the Paramount Chief has urged Zambians to advocate for peace and unity in the country.
The traditional leader also urged political players in the country to promote a spirit of tolerance and co-existence.
The Paramount Chief Chitimukulu also dismissed claims in some sections of the media suggesting that the Bemba Royal Establishment is against tribes from other parts of Zambia.
“The Royal establishment wants to make it clear to all Zambians that if there is any tribe in the history of this country that sacrificed a lot for our independence are the tonga people. They did not only sacrifice their wealth, over 10,000 heads of cattle were sold to buy air tickets to send Zambian delegation to London to meet the queen to negotiate for independence. Liso Mungoni and nkumbula for ANC surrendered the presidency to KK during the Choma declaration on merit to pave way for independence.
“Bane bushe takwaba abangalemba ko history ya independence yesu for our young generation to know?” The Chief wondered.
“We can’t take away anything from the Tonga people. Tongas have a justified reason to keep the democratic rights of this country in check to ensure their investments in our independence is worthwhile. We must value their contribution. Lets face it, in the history of our country no tribe has been this United for one purpose as the Tonga people. Zambian democracy from Kaunda to Lungu has been kept in check by our Tonga brothers, deny it or accept it.
“We therefore request political parties such as the Patriotic Front to settle their political scores without involving the Bemba people.
“Comments from Chama are uncivilised and can only come from unprogressive minds that want to take us in delirium. Young man, we have come a long way, politicians can’t divide us,
“The clan is nothing more than a larger family, with its patriarchal chief as the natural head, and the union of several clans by intermarriage and voluntary connection constitutes the tribe no politician can break this bond, I have several Tongas married to Bembas and vice versa. Ultimately, we actually all belong to only one tribe, to earthlings.
“There is only one superior tribe in zambia, that’s the Zambian Human race which is blind to province, regionalism or colour,” emphasised the Chitimukulu.
This tribal saga by chama is just destroying the PF. If ECL means good for the party he would have stopped the chama guy from issuing public statements becoz his strategy is poor.
That’s what we need. Learn from this Chief…..
Im sure ZNBC, Times of Zambia, Daily Mail and other like minded media will not cover this.
Lets hear the reaction of Sunday Chanda, Chama, and other vuvuzelas speak.
Mwalaba ati GBM is close to the Bashilubemba…..?
The Chitimukulu has always been above board. i am proud to be Bemba. Bashilubemba stood firm against Chiluba’s 3rd term, they resisted Sata’s attempt to mutilate the succession plan and now they are standing firm against Chama and his useless PF desperate attempts to divide the nation. HH is the best candidate to be president, period. Chama, please check yourself into Cahinama
You see how wise our chief is you f00ls who always insult Bembas and call them tribalists. Which chief in your province had ever come out to denounce tribalism the way our wise chief has done it. Muleke ubupuba.
This is what ZNBC has reported.They left out the part were Chama is ridiculed.
“Paramount Chief Chitimukulu Kanyanta Manga says he will not entertain people that engage in divisive politics.The traditional leader has strongly condemned people bent on promoting tribal politics in the country.Speaking through the Bemba Royal Establishment, spokesperson James Mulenga, the Paramount Chief has urged Zambians to advocate for peace and unity in the country.The traditional leader also urged political players in the country to promote a spirit of tolerance and co-existence.”
And Paramount Chief Chitimukulu has dismissed claims in some sections of the media suggesting that the Bemba Royal Establishment is against tribes from other parts of Zambia
This man is delusional.
As a Bemba person I demand he apologises to chama.
Chama should arrest him
Chama is the SG of PF Party. That is one hell of an accolade
tHERE ARE several CHIEFS IN zAMBIA BUT ONLY ONE sECRETARY GENERAL IN cHAMA, SO i ASK YOU, WHO IS rare
i STRONGLY REPRIMAND THE cHIEF AND DEMAND HE APOLOGISES TO cHAMA FOR BRINGING HIS NAME IN disrepute
On behalf of the majority and all zambians we demand RESPECT is accorded to Honourable Chama.
BB 2014
Nice comedy from Mushota.We get your drift.
Chitimukulu is an exellent example of good traditional leader. He deserves our respect and needs to honoured for his wisdom which detastes tribal politics. All dodgy regimes like MMD and PF hate this chief because of his wisdom which dissaproves tribal politics. More so the fact he is non partisan and embraces all parties that visit him.
So far I have counted two great non tribal and non partisan chiefs in assumed PF strong holds. The other one who has resolved not to engagae partisan politics or promote tribal politic like some in Muchinga is chief Kazembe. I hope other chiefs leaders will follow these two chiefs and those from Southern ,Western ,Central and North western in condemning tribal politics and refuse bribes to campaign for PF.
The actions of Chitimukulu and other…
As a result of the inspiration drawn from Chitimukulu I have hatched an idea that would really help Zambia over come this current political system where the president has too much power available for his abuse.
I think electing educated chiefs to be presidents for a fixed 10 year term and give them powers to fire an elected prime minister if he under performs would do good for Zambia. The only powers he would have is the control over army , police and the prime minister. While all other executive duties like day to day running affairs of the country to be the responsibility of an elected prime minister.
Prime ministers to be elected indirectly by electing MPs from various parties so that the party that has majority MP produces a prime minister. This is the only way our political…
But you ka Larry Mweetwa aka you are one useless tribalist. Do you see how wise chiefs behave? They come out to condemn tribalism with vigor. But your chiefs in Southern province gather together to further the tribalism agenda instead of condemning it. Learn from other tribes.
You used to demonise Bembas in Simulangu village.
If it’s you, you think this is endorsement for HH.
This is one of the ways our political system can minimise electoral fraud and govern with accountability.
Just my thoughts folks I as crack my head to think of a better political system that minimise the abuse of political power.
Chitimukulu – what a man, a fitting leader offering much needed direction.
Thank You Sir & Long Live Your Highness!
“We can’t take away anything from the Tonga people. Tongas have a justified reason to keep the democratic rights of this country in check to ensure their investments in our independence is worthwhile. We must value their contribution. Lets face it, in the history of our country no tribe has been this United for one purpose as the Tonga people. Zambian democracy from Kaunda to Lungu has been kept in check by our Tonga brothers, deny it or accept it.”……
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Whoa…..yoooooaaaaa…..sssssoooooosssssssaaaaaaa MwineLuBemba!!!!!
This man (Paramount Chief Chitimukulu) is actually very wise. Each time he says something, its profound!! I wonder why Mr Sata tried to block him for so long. Wise words, Sir. We appreciate such sound and timely advice.
Mwakamba Badala!
NOTE FROM EDITOR:
Mushota former BB2014 please tone down! Dissent is allowed on this blog.
Well spoken, these politicians are surely dividings, even we do not intend to, lets just vote on what each Zambian thinks is the way to go. No more Chama, or HH we want what is best for Zambia. well spoken Cheif.
Surprisingly, Kenneth Kaunda is mute.
if only we had more of such progressives, zambia would have been way above the current tribal bull@**t obtaining.
thanks ba chief, you are surely above board.
p;ease keep it up.
I always admire how this man speaks.wish we had such greats chiefs to check on these politicians. I love my chief!!! Let us learn from his wisdom if we can
whooow! What a wise statement from a genius chief!
unfortunately tonga chiefs have never condemned the tribal remarks by hh and tongas.am happy that you now know that our chiefs are the most intelligent.shame on you tongas you just congratulating our chief without reflecting about your useless chiefs and your useless acts.chama is very right.
Can you cite any tribal remark that can be attributed to HH?
This i s a very wise counsel from our wise and well respected of our leaders, our fathers and he is also well researched!He is worthy of what he is called, OUR CHITIMUKULU, MWINE LUBEMBA!, OUR PARENT AND LEADER! You see that He just but mention the truth and how we simply need to respect each other as Human beings!
He has further thrown a challenge to the authers to bring and write the truth about history but take note that whatever history has, it should not put any tribe or grouping above another but to the contrary, should unite us even more and respect each other in love and in fear of the Great ONE- GOD!! IN deed what a blessing and unifying massage from Our father -Mwine Lubemba!
Did Mwine LuBemba mention the fear of god?
If god is a god of love, why FEAR him?
It should be ok to hold a political conversation without dragging god into it. Please let’s draw lines between personal stuff and public issues. We did not vote on the declaration to consign Zambia to Christianity. The process was undemocratic and that’s what the Chitimukulu is cautioning against.
1+1 you are talking from ignorance. The first thing you need to do is to repent and be baptized into Christ, then you will know what the FEAR of the Lord means.
Just listen to yourself! Get baptized first then understand? Is that logical?
1+1 is right. Sacrifice yourself then understand? What kind of logic is that? You only have one life so practically speaking you cant go around offering yourself to this and that and then understand it. It is better to study it from afar get convinced by its logic then sacrifice yourself
WELL SAID. THE CHITIMUKULU HAS ONCE AGAIN SHOWN HIS WISDOM. NOW THE CHALLENGE IS ON LUNGU TO IMMEDIATELY RELIEVE CHAMA AND FRANK BWALYA OF THEIR DUTIES. THESE TWO HAVE CREATED UNTOLD EMBARRASSMENT FOR LUNGUS PRESIDENCY. LUNGU NEEDS TO SHOW WHO IS IN CHARGE. THAT IS TO SAY IF LUNGU IS NOT AFRAID OF CHAMA THEN HE NEEDS TO ADDRESS CHAMAS INDISCIPLINE.
This is what is what I know about “blue” Bembas, as one Mwana Mulena civil servant posted to Kasama in the 40s found out. But it’s non Bembas who have adopted or rather stolen the Bemba language as their own who are tribalists to the bone. And the “natolafye” thieving tag has unfortunately tarried with Bembas when actiually my forefathers should have ascribed it to those non-embas who use the Bemba language (not all, but now we know exactly who these are)
The Mwinelubemba has spoken. Where I come from it’s called sikung’uzi and that policy statement. So if Chama and Mumbi respect the Mwinelubemba, they tone down on their tribal talk. Tribalists always what to convince others that they are the tribalist. It’s the trick that the Europeans used to reign supreme in Africa. THE…
Wise words from the Paramount Chief of the Bemba people.We need to document these national building pronouncements.
Clearly Paramount Chief Chitimukulu is way above the political rhetoric that is destroying the most peaceful country in Africa.
I give gratitude to the great one of the Lubemba.
I come from the Eastern Province(Miyombe) but I will also pay homage to the wise and great one of the Lubemba.
Well spoken Mwine Lubemba.This country requires voices that will unite its people not divisive elements like Chama , Mumbi Phiri,FranK Bwalya. Why can’t Edgar get rid of these .they are making the party more and more unpopular .they issue embarrassing statements that do not reflect well on the party and its President
I wish this country had more such voices of wisdom coming from Mwine Lubemba
I would like to confirm one factoid in the history of our country. Was it not Mainza Chona who relinquished power to Kaunda. Kaunda was given party leadership upon being released from prison. Chona was the head of ANC. UNIP was not in existence then. But I stand corrected. Bo Wina can help here.
I wonder if the Chitimukulu speaking out so publicly and boldly against Chama demonstrates the level to which the relationship between Lungu and the royal establishment have fallen. When you think about it, he didn’t have to say anything about the issue but he has taken a position and it is against Chama, who is PF SG.
@My Zambia,that is what I am wondering too. While we need counsel from Traditional Leaders may be they need to use diplomacy through their high level contacts to deal with such issues.The newspaper story did not even say that Chama told them that HH… So why then should he be admonished at for a newspaper story which he is not cited as the source?We agree Chama is controversial but the whole lot of a Paramount Chief lashing out at someone without real connection is somewhat out of place!Even the newspaper article did not refer to the Bemba Royal Establishment so why this quick unfounded response? In fact Bemba speaking people do not all belong to the Chitimukula chiefdom.. Bemba comprises many dialects. ..continued…So those in Luapula,parts of Central,Northern,Muchinga and Copperbelt…
..Continued from below:So those in Luapula,parts of Central,Northern,Muchinga and Copperbelt (including Copperbelt urban) speak some of Bemba dialect but do not fall under Chitimukulu establishment so why answer so quickly on behalf of a language which is widely spoken? This is a matter which HH has said he would sue within 24 hours of its publication and we hope he has done so, so that we can know the TRUTH and possibly those who may just be wanting to tarnish his image can pay financially and politically. It is now 72 hours after he had threatened to sue so we are eagerly waiting for the moment of truth so that whoever will be founding wanting can be punished accordingly!
@Zambia is ours.
You need to learn the history of the baBemba. Chitimukulu is called paramount and Kazembe is senior Chief for a reason.
@ Zambia is ours
You are happy when 1mbecile like Chama spreads tribalism, and yet, when a vise and educated Chief intervene to stop this very dangerous stupidity, you question His motives!!!
What a type of brainwashed jerk you are?
No, Zambia is not yours, Zambia do not need such high level of 1mbecility like yours and Chama”s.
I am more than happy that Paramount Chief Chitimukulu Kanyanta Manga has come out in open to protect good name of His People which has been soiled by the 1mbecility of political noncoms.
Unreasonable useless statement from the Chitimukulu spokesman! What statement from Chama is this response directed at! Also, useless article as it does not give the purpoted chama statement! The Tongas are the tribalists not the Bembas!
TUKACHULA NA LUNGU THAN PROSPER WITH A TONGA PRESIDO!!!
TAKACHULA NA LUNGU!
Well spoken your Royal Highness!. At independence Zambia was modelled on the spirit of unity, it is the same spirit we carried forward when we hosted and embraced freedom fighters from neighbouring Countries during their liberation struggles; we sacrificed and lost even our own. Alas at the turn of the millennium our youths are at each other’s throats, adopting alien culture of hate, tribalism and violence mainly due to poor leadership. Let our leaders both in ruling party and opposition take heed of Paramount Chief Chitumukulu’s wise words. Kalebalika Mukwai.
TUKACHULA NA LUNGU!
DANDY CRAZY – POSAPO AKALWIMBO BOYI!!!
LETS CALL A SPADE A SPADE CHAMA CUD HAVE MADE A MISTAKE WHICH NO ONE HAD PROOF OF BUT HERE IS HH WHO HATES BEMBAS OPENLY CALLS THEM MONKEYS,I HEAD THIS AT ONE FARM IN SOLWEZI THEY THINK I M LUNDA BUT I M BEMBA.
EVEN WHAT HE SAID TO THE CHIEF NO DOUBT HE SAID IT
#NO TRIBE IN ZAMBIA THAT NEVER CONTRIBUTED TOWARDS INDEPENDENCE.
THIS STORY IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE ON ZNBC NEWS FROM THE SAME CHIEF. THIS ONE HAS BEEN CHARGED TO SUIT SOME OF THE INTENTIONS OF HH.
WHY CALL BEMBAS MONKEYS BY HH AND UPND?
Don’t try to put a spin on what the Chitimukulu has said.He has spoken the truth and what he is seeing around him.Just accept that the Chitimukulu’s statements are damaging to Chama and the PF.
You could sue him for that, you know.
But of course you only working with conjecture.
These are the dunderheads Chama and his team are targeting for brainwashing and manipulation, the sad part is that they are many.
Advise from a very wise Leader. Ushumfwa pa tunono napafingi takomfwe. Im Greatly humbled by thoz advices yo Royal Highness hope Mumbi and Chama can pick one or two if at all they care for the unity of this nation.
This is nice words.Bemba have voted for:
KK a Tumbuka from Malawi
Chiluba a Ushi from Luapula
Mwanawasa a Lamba from Ndola Rural
Banda a Ngoni + Tumbuka from Chipata
Sata a Mwachusa from Tanzania in the disguise of Bisa
Lungu a Tumbuka + Chewa from Eastern Province
Next time it could be Tonga from Southern. Let those tribalist from both PF and UPND take a lesson from these wise words.
Ba xfactor Chiluba was not Ushi but Lunda,Abena Lunda from Mwata Kazembe in Luapula Province.Mwata Kazembe is a supreme ruler in Lunda land which also extends to some parts in the DRC.Kaunda is not a Tumbuka but a Tonga from Malawi.Sata was not a Mwacusa as u allegy he was a mixture of Bemba and Bisa historically Bembas and Bisas are actually one people.So pls get yo facts right before u mislead the nation.
xFactor, there are no tumbukas in Chipata and Petauke where RB and ECL hail from respectively. You must be an adventurous foreigner!
Am demanding for Tayali’s apology to the UPND leadership and if not then he should be given a case of inticing civil war in the country to gether with Chamba. Well done true leader of Zambia Chitimukulu
THE INFORMATION FROM THE CHITIMUKULA STATEMENT IS NO WHERE IN THE HISTORY BOOKS LATER ON IN THE CIVIS I LEARNT AT SCHOOL! DANGEROUS!!!
You are reading wrong books.
You did not pass history Sharp you franked! Let the well read Chief teach you failure.
mmmmmm and I thought you are SHARP we chipuba we.
Kanabesa mulopwe ekusoso ku.Twatota wemfumu yamano.Ala na HH wine nao mwina Zambia bushe teti wene atekeko?Bamunyine fwe mwebatonga bonse natutemwane ine ndimubemba wakwamumpolokoso,Its good to hear that HH NEVER said that.Like my wise king mwinelubemba has said we all belong to one big tribe called ZAMBIAN.GOD BLESS ZAMBIAN.
People our cluless,visionless,brainless,useless and a drunkard lungu will not learn any sense in this free lecture.
Bembas are always like that. They will fight for something yet other pipo who did not even fight for it benefit. kapwepwe described Bembas as a wide cup which can even be abused by flies. Remember whites gave Bembas BEADS and they got what they wanted
Clearly there is a rift between the Bembas of Chitimukulu and the Bembas of Mwata Kazembe.
That’s the history of indigenous peoples every where. In America, they are still holding on to what’s not theirs. Cecil Rhodes did not deal with the Bembas. Quit this tribe bu!! Shi+ already!
lies lies lies Mr Chitimukulu spokesman! We are not galible!!! Give us proof of the 10,000 cows sold!!!
GBM is behind this scheme!
Those words could not have been put any better. They are far ahead of all the rubbish that the PF has spouted in all its existence. They espouse civilisation and are diametrically many galaxies away from any aorta of intelligence that anyone in the PF higher political echelons may have.
But ECL is shamelessly the one encouraging Chama and Mumbi. smallminds like Chama’s talk small indeed while great minds like the Chitimukulus talk bigger issues. I challenged KK who is the embodiment of Zambian independence History not to keep quite to such dangerous propaganda like PF’s tribal campaign strategy but come out and condemn it like the Chitimukulu has done. Why is KK quite?
Fake whole
I am a chewa but today I am proud of my Mbuya king. Him and Kalonga Gawa UndI are fountains of wisdom. keep it up Shilubemba.
Well said your highness. Lets call a spade a spade and not a spoon. I salute you sir.
Bembas are alwys like that. they will fight something yet other pipo benefit. Kapwepwe described them as an open cup which can even be abused by flies. Tongas describe them as dull, monkeys or illiterates. Somany in the cabinet yet they cant develope their areas.
Iam Tonga and Soli.My heart was breeding with anger and hate was almost creeping in my heart,i was losing hope in Zambia being my mother land, I was thinking maybe as Tongas we are not wanted in this country coz everyday we are called all sorts of names,is it a crime for us as a tribe to have a serious son of Zambia presented as a presidential candidate, if you don’t want him then don’t vote for him but don’t hate the entire tribe.Iam comforted by the words of my chief and it has rekindled my hope in my zambia’ I am human first,then Zambian last a tonga.
I am Bemba and your Brother.
@ Mwalusaka and Ekushama uku
Well said, I salute you both as REAL Zambians
I am Tonga and my children are half Bemba and half Tonga cos my spouse is Bemba.
We live in blissful harmony and my Bemba mulamus are so supportive and they now outdo me at chiwantu (it’s chibwantu!)!!
Bakanabesa mwemfumu mwinelubemba kalebalika mulopwe!
Chitimukulu has wisdom if it was tongas they could have called for chuundu chaitwa already
Bembas are always like that. kapwepwe described them as a big cup which can be abused by flies. Tongas describe them as dull, monkeys and illiterate.
Bembas can fight for something yet other pipo will benefit from it. kapwepwe described them as a wide cup which can be abused by flies
The relationship between chitimukulu and PF has never been impresive. The best part of it is that PF has never benefited from chitimukulu in anyway.
Well spoken your highness, if it was tongas they could have already called for chuundu chaitwa
look at the behaviou of Chief choongo when chama went there and her behaviou when her child HH is envolved. PF needs pipo like chama,mumbi, kambwili and kapata.
Lungu needs to get rid of that Chama he is a danger to the peace that Zambia has always enjoyed since independence what will it take the President to see that his man is rubbish
This is why Ukwa did not want this man to be Chitimukulu. He is very wise. Sometimes, when I read the ethnic hate speech on Zambian news blogs I feel that we are walking in slow motion towards ethnic conflict. We need some sober minded individuals to tone things down as I think positions are becoming more entrenched everyday. It seems that some Zambians take the peace we have enjoyed for the last 51 years for granted and are bent on opening up a Pandora’s box of ethnic strife as if Africa has not had enough of conflict and the famine and social upheaval that always accompany it.
ABASHI TRIBALISM ABASHI CHAMA
Paramount Chief, AMEN!!!
I keep getting a premonition that elections next year will produce new voting patterns…..a break from regional voting to issue-based voting. Such level of objective leadership from the Bemba Royal Establishment is nothing short of brilliance, hear hear!!
Now in a single day Chama is disowned by two royal highnesses: Chieftainess Choongo and paramount Chief Chitimukulu. I am sure even Chama’s father isnt happy with him. His aunties and uncles too. Even Chama’s pastor isnt happy. Chama’s children arent happy. Chama’s neighbors are ashamed. Chama’s classmates are disappointed. Heaven is annoyed with Chama. PF the might Party is disturbed. In PF there are also 48% genuine people who want clean games. N0sense. Jesus come on earth. Funny Children. kikiki
Bantu bamu Zambia,tuli bamobene,chapwa.
Kaseba is also not happy. She doesnt want people who divide the country.
AS LONG AS DAVIS CHAMA, MUMBI PHIRI AND KAMBWILI WILL BE THE ADVISER TO THE PRESIDENT LUNGU, THIS WILL CONTINUE DIMINISH (FINISH LUNGU) HIS LEGACY. I SALUTE HIS ROYAL HIGHNESS CHITIMUKULU.
LET HIM KEEP THEM AND LUNGU SHALL REALIZE WHEN IT WILL BE TOO LATE. I SAID IT YESTERDAY AND THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO LIGHT.
Just returned from my Christmas break in Cape Town only to be welcomed by this juicy story where Chitimukulu of all people is expressing his ignorance of history, I.e. If he has been quoted correctly.
SHARP and 1Plus 1, you are right about your version of the correct history. Let me help you with more facts.
1. It is Mainza Chona and not Harry Mwaanga Nkumbula who relinquished the presidency of ZANC (Zambia African National Congress) – 1960s
2. ZANC (later became UNIP) was a breakaway of ANC which remained under Nkumbula as President.
3. Chitimukulu is wrong (or ignorant, or deliberately misleading people) about the Choma Declaration. The truth is that that happened well after independence about 1970 when Nkumbula gave up his fight for presidency due to excessive (tribal) violence…
Totally irrelevant.
The core issue is that the Paramount Chief of the Bemba has correctly single out the PF SG,Davis Chama as the chief peddler of tribalism in Zambia.Accept that Chama and the PF have been exposed for what they truly are .The Zambian people have now opened their eyes.
@Terrible: You history is correct but you are missing the point. The Paramount Chief is correct in every way even if he switched names unintentionally. His message basically is that of unity for all tribes. It doesnt matter whether it was Mainza Choona or Harry Mwaanga Nkumbula who relinquished the presidency or peace sake. The point the Chitimukulu is making here is that a Tonga representative, who was in a position of power sacrificed his ambitions of power for the sake of the country. He mentioned how the Tonga people sacrificed their wealth in order to support the common cause of Independence.
Does this mean Tonga are more special than other tribes who made less contributions? Absolutely not. It simply means that every person and tribe can contribute to the well being of the…
4. Tongas like (and together with) all other tribes in Zambia raised resources (including fish, cassava tute, cows from southern eastern western provinces) to send a delegation to London to negotiate independence. If tongas donated 10,000 cows it was to finance Nkumbula and his ANC, and not Kaunda And his ANC to travel to London.
5. Fact is that Nkumbula’s ANC like Mazoka’s UPND had membership across tribal lines, and so did Kaunda’s ZANC or UNIP (Chona etc).
6. The tragedy of HH’s version of UPND is that it was founded on an exclusive tonga presidency in 2005 and he has not clarified that position up to now.
Whom is the chief speaking on behalf? He is just lowering himself to a cadre. The story in no way did it refer to Chama as the source & neither did it refer to Mwine Lubemba…! Is he the only Bemba chief for him to comment. Now I see why Sat never wanted him installed. The Chief is just showing his ignorance. Foolish old man
What kind of a fool are u?
44. together with all other tribes in Zambia tongas raised resources (including fish, cassava tute, cows from southern eastern western provinces) to send a delegation to London to negotiate independence. If tongas donated 10,000 cows it was to finance Nkumbula and his ANC, and not Kaunda And his ANC to travel to London.
5. Fact is that Nkumbula’s ANC like Mazoka’s UPND had membership across tribal lines, and so did Kaunda’s ZANC or UNIP (Chona etc).
6. The tragedy of HH’s version of UPND is that it was founded on an exclusive tonga presidency in 2005 and he has not clarified that position up to now.
Chama disowned by chiefs sitting more than 1000kms apart yet consistent with each other in denouncing Chama’s tribal agenda. PF could not read that the tribal bubble has burst. It has completed its life cycle and no longer sells. The Chitimukulu has been solid and astute as usual.
Mwinelubemba. Thank you for providing leadership. I felt very bad as a Bemba to read what was attributed to HH.
Dope outfit!!!!
Looks like Bwana Chitimukulu is either ignorant after all, or he is biased and wants to cheat ignorant Zambians.
Look here Chiti, don’t cheat us okay? You should be the first to know that the trouble with HH’s version of UPMD is that it was born with an exclusively tonga presidency (as opposed to a Zambian presidency in Mazoka’s UPND) agenda. To my knowledge HH has never denied that fact. The two ngoni and Bemba Vice Presidents are both there as tactical after thoughts, more like cosmetics. If you don’t believe me wait until they hear the whispers within their party, it will not be long before they ditch UPMD for soon they will see the facts for themselves.
The beauty of this is that people will obviously listen to Chitimukulu and not your nonsense 🙂
Now I know y our beloved late president sata never wanted Kanyanta to be chitimukulu..! Lungu plz be careful with this upnd supporter…! Shame on u Kanyanta..!
Why because he refuses to drag the country into tribal wars????
Bwana Chitimukulu is either ignorant after all, or he is biased and wants to cheat ignorant Zambians.
Look here Chiti, don’t cheat us okay? You should be the first to know that the trouble with HH’s version of UPMD is that it was born with an exclusively tonga presidency (as opposed to a Zambian presidency in Mazoka’s UPND) agenda. To my knowledge HH has never denied that fact. The two ngoni and Bemba Vice Presidents are both there as tactical after thoughts, more like cosmetics. If you don’t believe me wait until they hear the whispers within their party, it will not be long before they ditch UPMD for soon they will see the facts for themselves.
I have never stopped admiring chief Chitimukulu’s courage. The government has tried all the tactics meant to make him a beggar like other so called chiefs but the man never compromises his integrity. Viva Chitimukulu Kanyanta Manga.
That’s what true Bembas are like – you cant blackmail them with material things cos that doesn’t work with them. Kaunda tried it with Kapwepwe and it didnt work; and Sata tried it with Kanyanta, the rest is history!!
If senior leaders in UPND are wise they should man up and advise the editors of Zambian Watch Dog (Lloyd Himaambo etal) to stop the hate speech and mischaracterization of individuals from the two largest voting blocks in the country. The HRH Chitimukulu should prevail on the southern province chiefs to convince their subjects to stop promoting hate speech through HH’s blog (ZWD). The HRH Chitimukulu should seriously inquire how senior leaders in UPND are abusing the online space via ZWD. We the subjects can only advise.
Don’t try to cover the issue that the Chief Chitimukulu has stressed here that the Bemba people are not part of the tribalist rhetoric and behaviour of one Davis Chama(PF SG).
Chama has been exposed for the tribalist that he truly is.
Did you read article?
The ZWD doesn’t promote tribalism but is biased against PF. Zambia Reports is not only biased against HH but also promotes tribalism so your focus on the dog is misplaced. Even as a cadre try to be objective.
I feel for lungu and chitimukulu becoz they do not know how duplicitous Tongas can be. Tongas can make a lier innocent and aninnocent a lier. PF ignore Tongas and chitimukulu Zambians are with you
So according to you, Tongas are not Zambians.
@Captain Sankara do not use the name of the great son of Africa (Thomas Sankara) to peddle your tribal rhetoric.Remember Chief Chitimukulu was referring to people like you and Chama
Its alarming that you see nothing wrong with hate speech on HH’s blog (ZWD).
Only one Davis Chama has been promoting hate speech.You EL/PF cadres should learn to “First remove the log from your own eye, and then you will see clearly enough to remove the speck from your brother’s eye”
It seems there are honorable, sensible bembas after all.
Not all of them think only of stealing and protecting their stealing grounds at all costs.
Thank you chitimkulu.
@1PLUS 1, one thing,Chief Mwata Kazembe is Senior Chief of the Lunda people of Luapula Valley,while Chitimukulu is the paramount of Bemba people,presiding over Chiefs: Mwamba, Nkole etc. Chitimukulu does not speak on behalf of Lundas whose succession and other traditional rites have nothing to do with the Bemba Royal Establishment. Likewise Chitimukulu has nothing to do with chiefdoms of Abalala found in central province(mainly Serenje and Mukushi and parts of Kapiri Mposhi) neither does he have anything to do with Lamba Chiefdoms(Nkana,Chiwala,Mushili,Machiiyaa etc). Chitimukulu has nothing to do with Chief Nawaitwika of the Namwaanga people.But all these speak dialectics of Bemba but are not under Chitimukulu so it a bit offside..
@ Zambia is ours, I beg to differ with you on one point. While I agree with you that chief Chitimukulu has nothing to do with chief Nawaitwika of the Namwanga people, I disagree that Namwanga language is a dialect of Bemba. Far from it. Namwanga is not a dialect of bemba and if you do your research properly, you will find that Namwangas are very different in all ways from the Bembas. Even their origins and history in Zambia is very different from that of the Bembas. Don’t try to label the Chitimukulu as though he is claiming to represent all the tribes you have mentioned. He is speaking on behalf of the Bembas and people from Luapula are not Bembas. He even mentioned this sometime back that People from luapula are not Bembas. He is representing the Bemba tribe and not all the Bemba…
@ Zambia is ours,
You should try to differentiate between being a Bemba and merely speaking Bemba. The Chief is representing the Bemba tribe and not all Bemba speaking people. There are Ngonis and Lambas plus other people from different tribes that speak bemba for communication’s sake. Those are not the people he is representing. He represents his own Bemba tribe not all Bemba speakers. Try to know the difference between ‘Bemba the tribe and bemba the language’. The language is widely spoken across the country while the number of people belonging to the bemba tribe itself is less. His message though is clearly excellent
But bwana Chief ,tribalism is what PF and Michael Chilufya Sata thrived sowed and thrived on.Blame the seed planters not Davies Chama coz he’s just a fruit of that culture planted by Sata.
If you really what to trace the genesis of tribalism in Zambia, you need to study the politics I Kapwepwe. Chiluba and Sara were just crown prince’s of Kapwepwe’s tribalism. That’s why Kaunda parted company with him. If we are to root tribalism out of our politics, we have to face to its constructed reality head on
The previous Secretary Generals of PF never exhibited any tribalism.How can Sata be blamed.The tribalism that the Paramount Chief is referring to is a product of Davis Chama,Mumbi Phiri and Edgar Lungu.They are the ones being quoted by the tabloids making tribal statements.The Chitimukulu has simply laid out the truth and it hurts.
1Plus 1. The correct version is that Mainza Choma formed UNIP and handed over the leadership of the new party to KK. Otherwise Chona would have been the first head of state. Read a book titled “Politics in Zambia”.
Mainza was elected leader of Zambia African National congress, not formed UNIP. Kaunda was in prison then. Mainza handed over leadership to Kaunda upon the latter’s release from detention. There has been systematic efforts to rewrite history to erase the contribution of Barotseland and Nothwestern Rhodesians ‘ to the independence struggle
Although he mixed up some names in the history, I appreciate and respect the wisdom which has been delivered by the Chief. I wish we had just one or two political leaders who can deliver this type of message. It’s seem our current leadership is trying to rub in the none existent ethnic difference to sustain there stay in power. Let’s all rise up and speak against it. We have more to lose than what ECL, Chama, Mumbi Phiri, HH or Nkandu Luo will lose. They have networks and simply send there children out of the country while the innocent and ordinary people butcher each other. Mr Lungu will you please be a statesman and show some leadership. Think big and stop focusing on winning next years election. Remember God has blessed you to be a steward of there resources, and to a large extent…
Its clear the mwinelubemba is supporting hh. He has been looking for a way to come out and do so.
I m suprised the chief never read the message himself as he as been doing.
what was the aim of him mentioning chama on the negative part leaving out others like hh who have been calling bembas monkeys is it bcos they contributed animals?
Statements like pf shud not involve bembas, why ? Does that mean u hate pf? What proof do u have that chama said what u know?
What was the motive to say what u said on behalf of bembas?
I m lost answer these questions and easy up the interpretation of yo speech before 2016.
Let this dirt remain in 2015.
HAPPY NEW YEAR 2016
I agree with you . . You are lost.
ITS CLEAR GBM WROTE THAT SPEACH FOR THE CHIEF WHO IS HIS UNCLE AT A FEE.
ITS POVERTY AGAIN AT WORK.
WARNING TO GBM
IF U THINK U CAN TREAT US LIKE PIGS. U ARE JOKING,HH CALLS US MONKEYS AND U THINK WE ARE HAPPY
U ARE JUST FOLLOWING D~IN UPND JUST WAIT FOR THEM.
U WILL NEED THE SAME BEMBAS U ARE AGAINST.
The ever so omnipotent tribalism.
You should be ashamed of yourself for your lies. Don’t be a messenger of hate and disunity. You can not substantiate your claims just like Chama. Be above board sir for the good of your children’s future. Check how many ethnicities live in the USA and consider that one child of an African student would be a president of that great country one day. And you ask yourselves why America is rich and Zambia is poor. Ba s.wine grow up.
I am doing my research on all the statements of HH in preparation for his lawsuit which I pray comes forth so that you can see who this man is.
“Don’t worry about the audio recording, this is not a simple matter but it will come out as part of the evidence together with other material. We have gone far back to the time HH joined politics and we are doing well to help The Times of Zambia
PULIKETI. Go ahead and i’m also compiling a list of tribal statements from PF leaders since 1993 when they were still in MMD. You think you have the monopoly of data in Zambia. Go ahead and you will be exposed.
Instead of demonizing the Mwinelubemba for getting some historical facts wrong or mixing events (demonisers, remind me, what was your grade in history), we should exhault for his principles and courage at a time when a lot of good women and men are cowering in the shadows of their fear. In Lungu’s Zambia it has become treasonous to do anything but breathe.
He hasn’t forgotten how he was abused by the same PF who are trying to use the same tactics against HH. Nothing much any reasonable person can add to what he said. If it was Rwanda characters like Chama would be drugged to court by the state for potentially promoting genocide.
E Mfumu ishi imwe!
that is my chief insimbi ni nsimbi
From the face of it the statement by the Mwine Lubemba sounds brilliant but in actual fact it is in itself quite divisive. Can he tell us the contributions the Lundas, Luvales’ Kaondes, Lozis, Bembas, Ngonis Tabwas, Ushis Ngumbos, Mambwes, Namwangas and the rest made to the struggle for independence? I know that while others sacrificed thousands of cattle, others sacrificed their lives. The point here is that we all contributed and no one should single out one particular tribe. Are we going to share the cake (Zambia) according to how much or how many cattle we contributed? Are we going to share this cake according to how many of our lives we lost? For all I know, all tribes have contributed in the governance of this country. Tongas have been Cabinet Ministers and Vice Presidents on…
Vocal social activist Chilufya Tayali has said opposition UPND leader Hakainde Hichilema is a sworn tribalist who once said Anderson Mazoka was killed bebause he was Tonga so he had to be stopped.
Tayali quotes an interview of Hichilema on Sky FM on Tuesday September 11, 2012 in which Hichilema said,”…this is why he was eliminated.”I am doing my research on all the statements of HH in preparation for his lawsuit which I pray comes forth so that you can see who this man is.
“Don’t worry about the audio recording, this is not a simple matter but it will come out as part of the evidence together with other material. We have gone far back to the time HH joined politics and we are doing well to help The Times of Zambia
Chtimukulu should not support Hakainde Hichilema’s tribal politics? Only a Tonga Can be President of UPND is serious Tribal Politics and if Zambians want to ignore this tribalism they should not blame anyone. Barotseland sacrificed alot towards the independence of Zambia. The Litunga actually paid for the scholarships of people like the Simon Mwansa Kapwepwe to study in india. Barotseland
After reading the article, I sense that GBM had some input into this statement…
@The One,please read the postings in context! My posting in Bemba dialects was in response to 1PLUS1 who implied that since Chitimukulu is a Paramount and Mwata Kazembe is a Senior Chief then there is some direct relationship between them. The same things you have explained on Bemba being a language is what I had explained in my earlier posting that Bemba is widely spoken with different dialectics. If Namwanga is not is a bemba dialect then I could be wrong but most Namwangas understand other Bemba dialects. Chama was using Bemba but on this site we heard that he is from Serenje,hence Laala.The fact is Chitimukulu is talking out of context on issues that he should exercised leadership. continued… Has he heard Chiefs Choongo and Hamusonde issue detailed statement on this? Now tell me who…
..continued ..Has he heard Chiefs Choongo and Hamusonde issue detailed statement on this? Now tell me who is wiser between Chitimukulu and the two composed Tonga Chiefs who just refused that they spoke to HH on this issue and have not gone to admonish not even the newspaper! Those seeking the TRUTH are waiting for HH to sue the Newspaper so that those who are hell bent on tarnishing HH can pay heavily and the opposite if they are right.
..continued .. Now tell me who is wiser between Chitimukulu and the Tonga Chiefs who only went as far as refusing that they had discussed with HH over the issue? The wise Tonga Chiefs have not gone to issue statements,not even against the newspaper that is source of the story but Chitimukulu with cares to the wind issued a statement to a person that did not talk anything about his kingdom! It will be good to hear the TRUTH when HH sues though it is now getting into 96 hours beyond the 24 hours he had set.
Well spoken chief. No one tribe is above any other tribe but all tribes consist of people who are made in the image of God, period. I hope the tribalists will be ashamed to campaign on tribal lines. Articulate issues politicians and stop 19th century politics of character assassinations. The voters are sick and tired of your comedy!
@Fed-up,please learn to debate and project issues properly- hopefully you are not “Fed- up” of logic,democracy and free speech! This is where you miss it: Chitimukulu is speaking from without! Where did Chama say that the Bemba Royal Establishment (BeRE) should be involved in tribal bickering? Unless there is information beyond what is in the article, the Chief here is just shouting against one single individual representing a political party-the whole lot of a Paramount Chief!This is where you and Chitimukulu miss it- you assume Chama represents Bembas because he speaks Bemba!Not at all, what Chama does is for himself and his party. Your wrong understanding is that PF is synonymous with Bemba tribe like some political parties are even when Lungu is at the helm.
One Zambia, One Nation!!! Period.
I’m very surprized that this reporter has even gone outside what our Paramount Chief Chitimukulu Manga the 2nd has spoken his spokes person. The Bembas are so supreme in all things and they cannot be compared to other small tribes u are talking about. Davies Chama is a man of high intellectual acumen who should be able to express his views as a citizen and no one can suppress him. VIVA BEMBAS AND VIVA PF
Francis sober up, this issue is not a joking matter.
Why do some Bembas hate being called monkeys? The Easterners call them that anyway. It is because they eat monkeys (so we are told).
To balance the books, if a Tonga calls you a monkey, call them a cow.
And then laugh about it over traditional brew. That is how it is on the ground.
There is no problem between tribes on Cairo road. When one meets someone they like, they do not care what tribe they come from.
In my family, Bemba, we have married into Tongas, and vice versa. Just last month, my first cousin got married to a good man, that happens to be Zambian of Tonga tribe.
So the politicians promoting tribalism can go hang, as they will not succeed to divide on the ground.
KK got rid of tribalism. One zambia one nation.
Has always been anti – PF, this reactionary, feudalistic character.
the Mwinelubemba is a wise and intelligent leader.
Kwena Chama ba musapa bamfumu bakwe!!! Guys we are one nation lets get rid of the likes of Chama so we can go foward not backwards. We spoken Chitimukulu!
FINALLY A SENSIBLE ENLIGHTENED ZAMBIAN HAS SPOKEN!!
Unfortunately such minds are in short supply & missing from P.F, hence the nation is sinking like the Titanic, & turning into “A sinking Pit L@trine”
I wish Chitimukulu was our President, as dull scroungers like Chama, Chimbwili, Mumbi, Kaizer, et al, would not be in the corridors of power, doing jack, only stealing fresh air, while Zambia deteriorates like a Cancer patient.
“Bane bushe takwaba abangalemba ko history ya independence yesu for our young generation to know?” The question illustrates our desperation. What we must know is that someone just doesn’t wake up and write such things. He will end up doing a poor job. Business is supposed to sponsor such a venture so that the author does a thorough job. Our white friends are very good at such arrangements. The Afrikaaner busniess community always supports anyone furthering its culture. Where are African business men to sponsor these ventures? What is GBM doing?
The Wise came from the east and the west in Zambia. Notice how president Lungu and Lady Wina never insult. The are harassed and bashed every day, but the just lead frivolously. Then The kambwilis. Chamas, plus the UPND leadership are always degrading our president. Need I say more GBM is a vice president in UPND, really! Viva President Nawakwi and General Miyanda. Two wise leaders with sense and poise.
This chaps’ wearing a croc top! Should we seriously consider him representative of the people! PF made a huge mistake in allowing this chap to take up his chiefs seat.
Kanyanta Manga: Awe uli mfumu zo oona. Twasanta mwane!!