QUICK action by Parliament security yesterday prevented Katombora member of Parliament (MP) Derick Livune (UPND) from charging towards and physically attacking Minister of Finance Alexander Chikwanda while he was winding up debate on the motion to “Increase amount outstanding at any one time on domestic and external loans”.
About 20 uniformed security personnel had to be called in to stop UPND Katombora MP Derrick Livune from throwing punches at Information Minister Chishimba Kambwili.
This was after Mr Livune charged to the front, took off his jacket and attempted to fight Mr Kambwili during a heated debate on the motion to increase the country’s debt ceiling.
Some UPND MPs were infuriated by Mr Chikwanda’s remarks that the UPND has never had a leader outside Southern Province. Mr Chikwanda described the PF as the only party in the country with the exclusivity of leadership.
This infuriated Mr Livune who stood up, removed his jacket and charged towards Mr Chikwanda but quick action by security personnel blocked him while on the other side of the House, Solwezi West MP Teddy Kansonso (UPND) also charged towards his Mufumbwe counterpart Stephen Masumba but Parliament security managed to separate the two law-makers.
The statement by Mr Chikwanda incensed UPND MPs who protested to Speaker Patrick Matibini demanding that Mr Chikwanda withdraws the remark which he refused saying he did not insult anyone.
Some UPND MPs were infuriated by Mr Chikwanda’s remarks that the UPND has never had a leader outside Southern Province.
Speaker of the National Assembly Patrick Matibini ordered Mr Chikwanda to withdraw his statement and the minister explained himself.
The MPs on both ends continued exchanging words for nearly 10 minutes with Clerk of the National Assembly Doris Mwinga at pains to calm the situation.
Another punch-up ensued when Munali MP Nkandu Luo was heard shouting “Nalelo twala fi wina” (Even today we will defeat them) when oral voting was about to commence.
Calm was later restored and the House went on to vote in the affirmative that the debt ceiling should be raised from K60 billion to K160 billion for external loans payable in a period of more than one year.
The ceiling for domestic loans payable over a period of not more than one year also increased from K13 billion to K30 billion.
Out of 109 present MPs, 79 voted in favour of the motion while 30 voted against and none abstained.
Awe mwe..it is amazing how the once civilized party has become this violent. Even in Parliament sure. Is this what everybody in UPND has been told..you have to be violent to put HH in state House? HH needs to apologise for this behaviour of his MPs. Surely, how can you want to attack Chikwanda of all people. You should at least go for the likes of Kambwili
It is not amazing. These biatches have it coming on August 11th 2016.
There is no defence they can put up for the punch I will throw.
Desperation to remain in power should not be the main motivation to increase the debt ceiling.
There is no civility in using insulting language in parliament. I would have slapped the ldiocy out of that wrinkled, senile old stupid man. As an old man, one would expect him to know better how to talk in parliament.
Chagwa Must Fall
The Dinosaur is stup1d. How do you go tribal in parliament?
The Truth hurts. Mr Chikwanda was only being honest!
I like old people. They don’t sugar coat anything! UPND Mp’s where hit right in the balls.
The Dinosaur is stup1d. How do you go tribal in parliament? Bembas are really stupid.
everyone who listened to parliament radio will agree with me, that this LT version is twisted and potrays a bad picture of UPND. Infact, it is chikwanda who was disrespectful to the speaker and tribalist against the tonga people. Lets get the recording from parliament and you will hear what i mean.
There you have it ladies and gentlemen……….whenever UPND is violent in it’s action, they always tell us to show them proof that they are the ones who perpetrated the violence. The evidence is there in Parliament, UPND is a violent party.
in a space of one year PF has increased debt ceiling from 35 billion to 60 billion nd now to 160 billion. this is bad for our country and i can tell you we will have heavy repercussions for this. right now every Zambia is walking around with 514USD debt and we want to increase this?
I wonder how a normal person would celebrate increasing our debt ceiling to K160m, its like these PF/MMD mps are just told to vote and not debate, I THOUGHT LUNGU SAID NO MORE BORROWING, surely THIS IS A DARK DAY FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY COZ THE HYENAS HAVE COME TO LOOT ONCE MORE, they are even mortgaging the last bornes left to lick.
KINGSTON, Jamaica — The Jamaica Labour Party was a short while ago declared the winner of the 2016 general election, after claiming 33 of the 63 constituency seats.
The Labourites will now form Jamaica’s new Government, after the People’s National Party only managed to win 30 constituency seats.
The December 2011 election, which resulted in the JLP being voted out of office after just one term, saw a 53 per cent turnout of electors, in which the PNP shocked the nation by capturing 42 of the 63 parliamentary seats. The remainder went to the JLP.
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I still can’t understand the connection between raising the debt ceiling and the people of Southern province, instead of thinking about how they will sought out the economic woes Zambia is facing, it’s like even cabinet meetings are about southern province, and how did kambwili find himself in this kafwafwa is it because he is the chief tribalist?
Surely PF MPs and its leader are bent on destroying this country. How can you go on borrowing at this rate, while the production side is virtually dead. Mr Chikwanda you are raising the debt side of the economy when the GDP is dropping by more than half. Surely, people this is not a battle for UPND to fight alone. This country is going to be a a real debt trap and this time around it will be Greece reloaded.
EVEN NATURE HAS REJECTED PF WHO AM I TO ACCEPT IT. UP TO NOW CIVIL SERVANTS HAVE NOT BEEN PAID. IF PF RETAINS POWER IN THE FORTH COMING ELECTIONS THEN ZAMBIANS ARE DULL AND THEY DESERVE NOTHING OTHER THAN BEING CALLED BY THAT. YOU CAN BELIEEVE ..THAT!
You please read between the lines and understand the frustration by the law makers involved. This has got nothing to do with violence. What PF is doing is wrong but the Zambians cannot do anything about it because they have voted for hyenas to head their goats. What ABC was presenting in parliament must be entertained and must be stopped. These criminals are abusing the country with impunity!
I dont support the physical fighting in or outside parliament. No matter how bad the words Mr Chikwanda uttered, the MP had no right to try and physically fight him (Mr Chikwanda). Okay, dont celebrate yet, Im not supporting the finance Minister’s childish utterances.
The second issue is really a sad one. The PF and MMD MP’s were celebrating for raising the debt ceiling!!! What? Cant believe this! On this one, UPND MP’s were right to feel upset. Im also upset. We cant get more debt while we are already crawling cause of debt.
A unity is a product of its singular components. If any of the components is removed the unity is no longer the same. A singular component may exist without a unity but not vice versa.
To keep on insisting on one Zambia is increasingly becoming stup!d & its not tenable.
By the way why were close to 50 MPs absent.
Now that Zambians know how violent UPND is, HH is not going anywhere. UPND has a label of a tribal party, they have now added another label of Most Violent party. HH and his MPs are very useless. Kuwayawayafye.
That silly UPND MP should be suspended without pay without pay and disclipined by his party…if you can not debate dont be Parley.
LT, today I have concluded that you very biased and useless. There are always two sides to a story but you deliberately decided to confuse the readers!! You intentionally left out all details so that people could just blame the UPND MP. I still dont support the MP for trying to physically fight in parliament. However, you LT are worse than that MP.. Here are the details you left out:
Chikwanda was called upon to wind up debate on the motion to increase the debt ceiling and went straight to attack opposition members.
He accused them of being political and deliberately misrepresenting facts stressing that so far the PF government had borrowed within the provisions of the law.
Chikwanda explained that the debt ceiling was increased from 35 billion Kwacha to 60 billion Kwacha but this…
Chikwanda explained that the debt ceiling was increased from 35 billion Kwacha to 60 billion Kwacha but this was eroded on account of adverse movements in the exchange rate forcing government to exceed the debt ceiling by 12 percent.
He claimed that the current expenses on electricity and oil importations were not budgeted for.
Chikwanda said all countries borrow money and cited the USA, Japan and Euro zone countries as examples as per PF slogan of saying Zambia’s challenges were global.
Chikwanda then went for opposition members accusing them of deliberately ignoring the ‘successes’ resulting from borrowing.
‘People refuse to see roads in Choma and the hospital in Kalomo and they just want to politic, I feel pity for them because they belong to a party that will never form…
I feel pity for them because they belong to a party that will never form government for the simple reason that it has exclusivity as to where the leader comes from,’ Chikwanda said at which point the Speaker of the House Patrick Matibini warned him not to debate in that direction.
‘Seat down Honourable Minister of Finance, I don’t think it is necessary for you to go there, confine yourself to the motion and please lets have harmony,’ the Speaker counselled Chikwanda.
Chikwanda however ignored the Speaker insisting that he just wanted to divert a bit and would soon come back to the motion.
‘I thank you for guidance Mr Speaker but I just want to stray a bit I will come back to the motion, PF is a model, when our great leader died there was no insistence that because he came from…
he came from Mpika’ the Speaker then interjected him and ordered him to seat down.
The house then turned into a chaotic scene with opposition members demanding that Chikwanda withdraws his statement.
‘Let him withdraw’ a member shouted, withdraw what! Chikwanda replied. ‘I will deal with you, you want to bring tribalism in the here.’ another member shouted ‘he is a naked tribalist and finished old man, a tribalist,’ at this juncture the speaker was just watching as security officers moved in the centre to prevent a possible punch up as Kambwili was also positioning himself.
Speaker ‘can the officers withdraw from the floor, please go back to your station, Mrs Mbewe get me Mrs Mwiinga,’ (Clerk of the House) the Speaker whispered.
Speaker ‘what option do we have,’ Mrs Mwiinga…
Speaker ‘what option do we have,’ Mrs Mwiinga ‘but he was about to withdraw, he can just’ Speaker ‘find out from him if he is ready to apologise, confirm with him,’ Matibini told Mrs Mwiinga who responded ‘I don’t know but if you just tell him to withdraw I don’t know what he will say.’
‘Honourable Minister of Finance I am sure you have seen what has happened, could you withdraw the statement,’ the Speaker ordered Chikwanda.
I didn’t say anything offensive, I am morally constrained not to accept, I was just talking about a political party which has exclusivity what am I going to withdraw, Chikwanda argued at which point the Speaker threatened to abandon the whole process.
‘ If you continue that way I will also abandon this as well because this is disorder, I had said lets not…
I had said lets not go there that is all I want you to confirm,’ the Speaker warned Chikwanda.
Chikwanda then asked the Speaker to allow him to wind up debate but immediately said he had not offended anybody.
‘I haven’t offended anybody so what I am I going to withdraw? I said it is regrettable if I offended anybody,’ Chikwanda said as members shouted that he was undermining the Speaker.
The Speaker then just said ‘very well’ and called for a vote on the motion.
Now, the above story makes more sense to me that what this PF Vuvuzela called Lusaka Times is trying to shove down our throats.
UPND can fight all they want but one thing is certain…HH will never ever rule Zambia…the truth hurts and Chikwanda said it the way it is…
…and you can just imagine having such kind of people in power….UPND =THUGS
2016 vote PF ( Edgar )
I thank you
no apologies, why always borrowing borrowing, nonsense
Ba Chanda, the Pope said if you insult my mother, I will punch you. So it is understandable to get upset
Perpetual losers are always bitter people full of anger and are bound to explode at any slightest provocation. So is not unusual of UPND top to bottom…naka ili fyala lusa mu August 2016
you will also want to attack chikwanda when our kwacha becomes more worthless than the zimbabwe dollar because of all the debt!!!
Livune was just going to grab Chikwanda’s speach. In any case, Zambians need to reject PF just like Jamaicans have today rejected the ruling party which has brought misery among he poor by its IMF policies which this visionless PF and Chikwanda want to subject Zambians again.
It’s not an insult to say you can’t be in PF and speak Luvale or Subiya, even Chagwa has to speak Bemba.
Tayali(2016:4) HH BLESSES VIOLENCE – IT IS LIKE HEROISM
As a Christian, one does not look at justifying oneself of wrongdoing especially violence. HH never takes responsibility of the violence perpetrated by his cadres, rather he justifies evil act by accusing others especially PF.
I am not justifying the violence of PF, they are equally guilty and they should take responsibility as well.
However, HH treats the perpetrators of violence in his party as heroes and heroines. And those poor citizens who get beaten by his cadres are like infidels who deserve the wrath of violence for not supporting him. I am a victim of HH’s cadres’ violence and justified it.
For those among his cadres who get hurt in the battle or arrested, HH treats them like martyrs.
@katonda boys and other tribalists let me warn you that don’t expect us to fold arms well you abuse as using tribal sentiments.We certainly hit back.There is a limit to everything.You have stolen Zambia’s resources and you want to hide Tribalism instead of taking responsibility for failing to develop the country.Abash stone age politics of dinosaur Chikwanda.
Just from your comments I can tell which part of Zambia you come from…..it’s by the fruits of their trees that we shall know them…
2016 the same will happen again just like it happened on January 20…and 2011….and 2006….and 2001
I thank you
There are exclusivities peculiar to the PF. The party is Bemba in DNA that it’s emblem is batubulu. PF as the exclusivity of being.Bemba that even it’s puppet President has to address all meetings in Bemba despite being from the East. It has the exclusivity of being founded by a third term pusher and incorrigible dictator. PF has exclusivity of corrupt borrowings, kleptomaniac lying, banditry and theft. I am morally constrained from withdrawing these facts.
Tumfweko(2016) “The whole scene appeared to be a cheap copy by the Opposition to emulate the disruptive parliamentarian tricks of the EFF and Julius Malema of South Africa.”
Very true…UPND now have become attention seekers
2016 vote PF ( Edgar )
I thank you
@Katondo boys aka Luapula / Gen / Obsever
PF has exclusivity of unabashed lies like the fake 90 day promise.
It’s not.an insult to say PF is the factory of violence.
Tumfweko (2016) The whole scene appeared to be a cheap copy by the Opposition to emulate the disruptive parliamentarian tricks of the EFF and Julius Malema of South Africa.
Tumfweko(2016) The whole scene appeared to be a cheap copy by the Opposition to emulate the disruptive parliamentarian tricks of the EFF and Julius Malema of South Africa.
Sad. But let’s be sensitive to other people’s feelings
It’s a not an insult that HH is largest kachema Texas rancher type, with thousands of heads of cattle rivaling Zambeef Plc.
The whole scene appeared to be a cheap copy by the Opposition to emulate the disruptive parliamentarian tricks of the EFF and Julius Malema of South Africa. Tumfweko (2016)
Old men like this one ought to have grown in wisdom. There is no wisdom is ridiculing others. Politics of mudslinging are stone age politics. Where is the reasoning here? What has the origins of heads of one party got to do with increasing the debt level of the country? The intention was clearly to annoy. WHY?????
The whole scene appeared to be a cheap copy by the Opposition to emulate the disruptive parliamentarian tricks of the EFF and Julius Malema of South Africa.
I don’t see anything insulting about this statement. Its a known fact that UPND has never had a leader outside of Southern Province. Since when did telling the truth become an insult?
If you listened to the live debate, you would have noted that the report is far from the true issue that lead to that confusion. I was listening and the man was almost finishing he statement on his wondering why the some Bembas are still with this party, when confusion start. Earlier on the Speaker warned the man on the from to change the direction of his debate but the man was stubborn.
Get facts and comment
Since when did calling a black man negro (nigger) or a woman a bitch or a Bwmba monkey eater / batubulu or Tongas ba Kachema / polygamists or Bembas ba lazo since 80% of thieves, robbers and corruptv bandits come from the North ever become an insult?
What suprises me most is that UPND insults everyone but quick to cry when samething is done to them.say to others what you would like others to say about you. In shortest term lets respect each other
AND THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO EAT OUR TAX-PAYERS MONEY. ONLY TO BE FIGHTING AND INSULTING EACH OTHER. I MEAN BOTH THE RULING AND THE OPPOSITION PARTY HAVE BEHAVED LIKE THUGS HERE. AND ARE THEY WORTHY TO BE CALLED HONORABLE?
PRESIDENTS OF BOTH PARTIES MUST TALK TO THEIR MPS SERIOUSLY.
LT reporters awe sure. Who did this Katombora man attack Chikwanda or Kambwili?
Report very confusing! Names are mixed up – Chikwanda or Kambwili the centre of contaversy?
THOSE WHO HEARD FROM PARLIAMENT RADIO FOR SUE HEARD TRIBAL REMARKS FROM THE FINISHED OLD MAN THAT HE WAS TELLING BEMBAS WHO JOINED UPND THAT WHY LEAVING PF WHICH WAS STARTED BY YOUR FELLOW BEMBA AND YOU JOIN A LOSING PARTY LEAD BY A DIFFERENT PERSON, TRIBE. THIS IS WHAT LED KANTOMBORA MP TO BE AVOID.
I FEEL PITY WITH OTHER TRIBES WHO ARE STILL IN TO PF WHEN THE OWNERS ARE ALWAYS INSULTING AND EXPRESSING TRIBAL REMARKS. PF IS NOW FOR CHIKWANDA, KAMBWILI, MUMBI PHIRI, CHANDA, FRANK BWALYA AND DAVIS CHAMA. WHY NOT OTHER PEOPLE FROM OTHER TRIBES ARE HEARD SPEAKING ABOUT TRIBALISM IN PF IS MY QUESTION.
@senama YOUR ENGLISH IS SO POOR. I WONDER IF YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT TRIBALISM MEANS. HOWEVER, I HAVE TRIED TO UNDERSTAND YOUR REASONING. PHYSICAL CONFRONTATION IS STILL VERY PRIMITIVE WHATEVER THE PROVOCATION. ESPECIALLY BY PEOPLE WE CALL HONORABLE.
THOSE WHO HEARD FROM PARLIAMENT RADIO WILL AGREE THAT CHIKWANDA SPOKE RUBBISH AND INSULTED BEMBAS WHO JOINED UPND.
FRACAS IN PARLIAMENT STARTED FROM THEIR. ALL THOSE WHO HEARD THE SPEAKER ASKING CHIKWANDA TO DETRACT HIS WORLD, BUT CHIKWANDA REFUSED TO.
I AM A BEMBA BUT I AM DISMAYED AND ASHAMED WITH WHAT PF BIG LEADERS HAVE CONTINUED TO SPEAK OUT PUBLICLY. WE ALL HEARD ON PARLIAMENT RADIO.
CHANSONI AND THIS IS MAKING PF UNPOPULAR. I WOULD SAY ALL OTHER TRIBES WHO HAVE REMAINED IN PF ARE FOOLS BECAUSE EVEN IF THEY ARE INSULTED, THEY DON’T FEEL IT.
When Lawlessness goes to law makers, the nation goes to the dogs. Now I know where party cadres get it from. Cry my beloved Country.
Chisenga even your English is poor,what is important is to communicate.I got the point from Senama.Abash the Bembanization of Zambia its one Zambia one nation.
Ok this thing is poorly written. Who was almost beaten, Kambwili or Chikwanda? Get someone to edit these things.
Was there need for Chikwanda to mention UPND ridiculously in his speech?
up nd down party awe sure sibvunthu
ZAMBIANS LET US REMOVE PF BECAUSE SOON OR LATER ZAMBIA WILL BE A CRYING COUNTRY BECAUSE THESE PF MINIONS HAVE NO LIMIT TO BORROWING. PEOPLE OF ZAMBIA PF IS NOT FOR LIFE. CANT WE EMULATE PRESIDENT MWANAWASA’S LEGACY WHO LEFT ZAMBIA DEBT FREE AND DEVELOPMENT CONTINUED?
WE HAVE LEVY JUNCTION, WE HAVE LEVY BRIDGE WE HAVE MUTANDA CHAVUMA ROAD, WE HAVE STADIUM, MANY MINES IN NORTHWESTERN PROVINCE. HE DID A LOT AND SHARED WEALTHY EQUALLY OTHER THAN THIS BORROWED SCENARIO FOUND BY PF THUGS.
i understand the MP, emotions were high because of the motion to increase the debt ceiling from K60m to K160m, the Finance minister just added salt to the wound. People are realising that the debts are taking us nowhere but these pf minister and their MMd minions just vote because Lungu has told them to vote infavour, i wonder whether the knwo that we have a moral obligation to safe guard our future genration as well. What a beautiful country we are distroying..HISTORY WILL JUDGE US HUSHLY because we have allowed HYENAS to run the affairs of this country.
PF doesnt know the meaning of parliament that is why they are bringing useless laws so that they can steal the money. PF were have you taken the money for this country.
Muleya, you are remaining with 5months to hand over poor to HH and UPND.
Ba Chikwanda, are you going to be raising the debt ceiling everytime you need more money? What kind of management is this? You were recently in parliament asking for the same thing, what lack of foresight by this ministry? And then you have so called doctors, oblivious to the repercussions saying twala fi wina..who exactly are you beating if not the zambian people wìth you poor management.
Just to add she is not only a medical Doctor but a professor in microbiology as well.They don’t even have a sense of shame either.
Being Bemba seems to be a curse mwe!
No being tonga
I don’t see anything insulting about this statement. Its a known fact that UPND has never had a leader outside of Southern Province. Since when did telling the truth become an insult?
@UPND yes HH is from southern so what?Do we eat southern of the Economy boss.
It’s not.an insult to say a particular tribe eats monkeys since they can’t keep keep livestock like bakachema.
Am.morally constrained.from.withdrawing fact.
Fighting in parliament is very normal. They should not have restrained Livune. The MPs are inspired by Catherine Phiri. For us who are exposed we see fights in parliament in China, Malyasia, Thailand and other countries. It is passion. I don’t mean the violence outside parliament perpetrated by PF and UPND cadres.
what goes up comes around,its just one day and things will be different,even mike tyson didnt know that one day a young man will knock him
ba livuune bakamitiipa pofye…. thats your father, kuzilaika mwana uyu
Surely the headline of this report should be the raising of the debt ceiling to absurd levels! This is now taking us to a place where if they borrow to the extent of the ceiling we will be nearing 100% of GDP in debt! The scaffle between the MPs should be secondary to the real story here!
Mr was right and he hit the nail on its head, l congratulate him, he is a brave man. How can a leader of a regional party (Southern Region) hope to become president of the Republic of Zambia? Nafuti nafuti tukafiwina to teach them a lesson that tribalism has no room in Zambia. This UPND *****s are very dull kuwayaya fye. Let those diplomats vote for Hakaivotela Humwine Useless. VIVA PF and Lungu
LT seem to have Kambwili in a template, hence this useless reporting. Could you clarify how Livune charged at both Chikwanda and Kambwili? What did Kambwili do?? Could you also clarify as a side comment of fact the leaders in UPND that have headed the party to this point? Just saying…
Most pf cadres ain’t exposed in other well developed Parliaments even chairs fly once an mp tries to behave stupid.
Not in Zambia my friend
This is the END of UPND
2016 it’s now obvious
PF and Edgar
I thank you
Mwe bantu Truth hurts, why should it hurt you when you know you are innocent. It is true Ba UPND even in the d….s book it is written that Tonga Leader only in UPND party. We know these things. Wait for campaigns to start elyo mukamona efyo babipa aba bantu.
PF is Bemba party and UPND tonga party so what?The bottom line is people want HH because PF(Lungu) has failed.simple they don’t care weather Bemba or Tonga what matters is quality.Abash stone age politics to us youths Tribe does not mean a thing.
On another note:
I have to wonder that Steven Masumba, a convicted criminal is still in Parliament…
UP TO TODAY CIVIL SERVANTS HAVE NOT BEEN PAID. THERE ARE NO ANTI-MALARIAL DRUGS IN NORTH-WESTERN PROVINCE. PEOPLE ARE DYING OF MALARIA. WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING? MARKETEERS ARE BEING GIVEN LOANS BUT STUDENTS ARE BEING CHASED FROM UNIVERSITIES. WHAT IS HAPPENING?
It’s because the minister of finance is debating UPND, and not the economy.
Kikiki Ba UPND can bring war in the country.Please jst listern to UPND callers it’s like war.I can’t vote for a tribal party.When they meet they think Bembas block them from ruling.I know some UPND chaps who hates bembas but we are not ruling.The president is from Eastern n vice from Western.Why thinking PF is for Bembas?UPND grow up n stop yo violent behaviors.Viva EL.Pabwatooooo 2016.Lekeni umwana under five HH acite retire.UPND is frustrated n can kill jst to go to state house.They think their only hope is HH but there are members who can succed him after we retire him this.Vote PF for Peace n continuity otherwise u gonna vote for tribalism(UPND).Vote EL
@Moscow don’t think people are dull.Even when you put Lungu who does not know that Lungu is simply a stooge in real sence PF is Bemba.INONGE is just a tissue to use like in the toilet.So stop playing with our minds.You keep insulting others as if they have no right to claim to rule Zambia.This year kuyabeele.HH will be presidents no chance for thieves we need real development.
Chikwanda should thank his stars. If it were me, I have kicked him in the arsshole. Munungu wa hao.
This blog-fartery from most people here is amazing…if you think the meek shall ” inherit” zambia after this Chimbwi No Plan Era then God shall not forgive u – there will be no zambia “left”…When a Minister stands in parliament and SUBVERTS the values on which this Nation was built you must stand-up and FIGHT…if you see the sanctity of the house being raped – fight!! we have seen such high-noon fracas elsewhere…South Korea, Taiwan, Ukraine( Klitschko ), this Country stands on the edge of an abysmal future, MEN should stand-up and fight !! Beat the sh!t out of these woodheads !!
Chikwanda should thank his stars. If it were me, I have kicked him in the arsshole. Munungu wa hao
Losers……look at your face in the mirror
2016 we are retiring HH
HH false hope
HH pathetic liar
Don’t vote for HH
2016 vote PF ( Edgar )
I thank you
He should have been beaten for auctioning our country
Silly old rug failed to debate finances but chose to be tribal right in parliament
Will see if Most Zambians are happy with you PF!No normal adult can envisage any more living under crooks &thieving PF!Surely,how can Luo get excited over loans sure?If these stupid dull PF cronies aren’t stopped now,nothing will remain to talk about Zambia! How on earth can a normal functional government fail to pay its employees on time with mockery incremental red cents!
Ballot box not boxing ring is the best way of defeating each other.We have set a standard of kicking each other through a ballot box not through beating each other.Exchanging blows is not a better way of solving issues.If PF and UPND fail,let them give room to civilized voice of other parties like NAREP.These two parties have become so violent that their thinking has even been derailed.We need civility in parliament.
PF mbaluso what can you lecture us about civilization?You all a bunch of thieves who deserves no respsect.
@Shimaine,your reasoning is crowded with imbecility like that of your boss.It will be a tall order for you to form government.Do not gather sympathy in a white skin.You are running to a white man thinking you will gather a lot of votes.It does not work that way.You will continue being losers till you change your tribalistic traits. You are too tribal such that you have even lost a big picture of choosing a right candidate. This time around,your tribal leader will be put where he belongs,in an archive of oblivion.Finance minster was right and he just hit the nail on its head.Even people like,Derrick Livune are contaminated with tribalism.I know Derrick,from our days in unionism.He is a sober guy but he has been initiated in tribalism.
Ba PF your time will come. It might not be UPND to punish you soon; it maybe another upcoming party in the future. One day muzayawona matako a njoka. You have started thinking like UNIP even when you have only been in power for a few years. You are taking things and the people of Zambia for granted. Does credibility, honesty really apply in Zambia? No wonder Zambians are liars, and dishonesty people, it starts with the people they choose to lead them. This is the reason crooks and thieves are called businessmen/women and dealers in Zambia. One day a true leader who will not tolerate this nonsense shall rise and people will say he/she is a dictator.
MUZAYAWONA MA-TA-KO YA NJOKA on day ba PF!
Fighting in parliament will not save our party
UPND is the most violent and tribal party! It believes in violence!!!!!!!!!!
Registrar of societies must be punished for failing to deregister the two violent parties.UPND and PF
Dull bloggers,the issue isn’t on violence.PF really think they own Zambia!Very stupid people indeed!
The issue here is about violence Mr Civilized Sam
But Zambians will never vote for a violent party
2016 vote PF ( Edgar )
I thank you
HH false hope
HH pathetic liar
HH has a criminal mind
HH WILL NEVER EVER RULE ZAMBIA
2016 VOTE FOR A PEACE LOVING PARTY PF(Edgar)
I thank you
But is that not a fact? The UPND has not had any leader outside Southern Province.
but upnd party tefintu the only problem in upnd is that they lack a leader to control them if party cant b controlled is there any guarantee to control the country awe mwandi God help us! we dont want war in zambia jst fight in yo country southern province ,zambia has bn peaceful for decades
Southern Province…yaba…..and they wonder why they’re perpetual losers…
2016 vote PF ( Edgar )…peace loving
I thank you
More punches to come if us voters will not Pray hard and hard Zambians lets be more Wiser than never before.
The Speaker should have shown leadership in this matter. He has carpeted others for similar remarks. Why didn’t he ask Mr. Chikwanda to leave the House. Mr. Chikwanda further refused to withdraw his statement. And the Speaker is comfortable with that. The motion affects everyone PF and others, the debate by Mr. Kambwili was hollow, he was debating people. Remember the saying about minds that discuss people? I expected Mwanakatwe to provide a sensible justification for increasing the threshold for borrowing instead of waffling. Now I know why HE says at least Grade 12 Certificate. The way Kambwili and Mwanakatwe debated leaves much to be desired. They won because they had the arrogance of numbers. Honourable Members PF and opposition, learn to be analytical. Zambia contracted more debts…
UPND members are behaving like this and they are in opposition. I just wonder if they have power. Heaven forbid, they will crush everyone who opposes or tells them the truth. UPND sivinthu.
The Headline and the report are parallel. How did Livune almost hit Kambwili when the headline says “Quick Action Prevents UPND MP from going physical on Chikwanda in Parliament”. Mr. Intelligent has given us a narrative on how Kambwili came into the Picture (Thought source not proved). But such should have been the composition of the report.
My humble analysis:
1. Journalists should give us detailed and evidenced reports so that proper reviews can be made
2. Our politicians/cadres will keep getting more physical because they have no intellectual basis to debate on.
2. Lack of objectivity in our politicians make them waste time on trivial matters such as tribalism
I rest my case
My dear countrymen and women, the increased debt ceiling will suffocate our economic and social livelihood as they reach their maturity. The current micro-economic indicators are declining at an alarming rate which is not sustainable in the long term.
The question is why are the economic and social indicators negative despite heavy borrowing by the PF. Surely, the economic equation has gone wrong under this PF govt.
If life expectancy was equated to 24hrs, the Finance Minister is around 23hrs of his age and therefore irresponsive for him to contract debt which will be offloaded on poor Zambians living and yet to be born.
Why are we auctioning pur country and sovereignty?.
The good news is that we have the democracy as a tool to make political choices every five years.
Ok..Chikwanda digressed but there was NO LIE in what he said by showing what debt has been used for in Southern Province where UPND has its MPs and by telling them that PF is more dynamic and open to changes in leadership than they are!! That is a fact worth telling since our fellow citizens from Southern Province even partly North Western and Western Provinces have never seen anything positive from PF’s tenure in government! However,Chikwanda used a wrong forum and the time for describing UPND like that is coming at campaigns outside parliament. He needed to stick to the subject at hand and defend it! I believe UPND MPs opposing more debts mean well for the country because we need to take stock of where we are and what we have achieved.It appears PF wants to borrow to complete some…
..Ctnd.. It appears PF wants to borrow to complete some projects(and if they are wise,in their strongholds) and subsidize electricity and fuel till after elections.
poor finishing UPND and this could be the end…..Watchdog isnt doing enough to discredit Edgar and PF and so now they want to fight close combat…hand to hand…mwailasha….keep your fighting in MONZE,MAZABUKA,CHOMA,PEMBA,ZIMBA,CHIKANKATA,,,,,,
2016 now you know why the Pope said “ifintu ni Lungu”
i thank you
Those who know business will tell you, you can not borrow without the method of paying back. Zambians are mentally bankrupt, how can someone support this behaviour. no wonder this country is very poor, because citizens support them. They are just creating problems for the next government either that or if by mistake they are voted back, the pinch of misery in the long run will drive the people to revolt. By then someone will have to shed blood to undo what could have been done by ballot.
Comment back you headed finished & dull dinosaurs: For God sake indeed the pf the the ‘poor founders’ & that its crystal clear that they are really fighting a very loosing battle come august. How can this poor party be enclonched with these kinds law makers, God forbid you wil lose it this you because lm not voting for you fools & l pend!
VIMATUVI VA KU SOUTHERN PROVINCE!
SAY SOME BEMBAS ARE STUPID.WHAT EVER YOUR TRIBE,YOU ARE STUPID AS WELL.
I want to understand. PF lost at least three times under Sata a Bemba/Bisa. He never allowed anybody during that time to be president let alone his all weather muzungu friend in Guy. I’m sure if he was still alive he would still stand; meaning he would effectively have been president for 25 years!!!!!! So did that make him a tribal leader then? The lot from the north would say nay. What double standards!
As for Lungu…he is an accident president who learnt the survival drill of ‘lwishaling’ to be Bemba all his public office life. Can he even speak his mother tongue? Wina on the other hand is an inconvenient boil in all this. Just look at origin of those donning entire governance fabric of this administration.
Lest I’m misunderstood. Zambia doesn’t need a Bemba, a Tonga or…
A roaring lion kills no animal.upnd keep making noise we will wait august to see your fate.
#CHAGWA MUST FALL. #LUNGU AYENDE.
So, in short the root cause was Mr Chikwanda diverted from the Topic at Hand and became antagonistic towards UPND.
I must say most right thinking people give this man more credit than he deserves. He is expected to give good example in Parliament. Clearly, its not the case.
Racism and tribalism is for small-minded prejudiced people whose eyes are permanently fixed in the past and are too terrified to face the future, mainly due to their own self-limiting beliefs.
Ulya Palya Nichi Devil Upnd Led By Hadof Hitler HH Shud Remember The Way U Treated Sata, If It Was Pf Wishing HH Dead It Wud Have Caused Confusion.
Wait Time Is Coming When These Chaps Bakabinda. Its Gud When U Are In A group But At The Grapvine Its One One In Each Room All Friends Even Run Away Yo Families Scattered
Tatwakabinde you will see your self.Ukwisa tuleisa.
Continue allucinating muzadabwa things are not the way u think they are too much complacency on behalf of the encumbant borrowing to spend with no regard to how heavily endebted we are.With all the lavish spending Rb did to try and win the election but lost that’s exactly what is going to happen this coming elections mark my words people are suffering and no money in their pockets except a few who are borrowing to load their pockets with more money b4 they are shown the door carry out and audit on 12th August and see how much they have stucked their pockets
YOU MAY GIVE HIM A VOTE BUT I WILL NEVER SEE PF GO THROUGH NO MATTER WHAT TRICK THEY WILL BRING IN. PF HAS HANGED ITSELF BY SIGNING A 50+1, WHICH WILL NEVER SEEN LUNGU AGAIN IN STATEHOUSE BECAUSE HE IS A DUNDERHEAD.
LOOK AT HIM AND SEE HIM CLOSELY, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT HE AT ONE TIME SUFFERED MALNUTRITION LIKE KAMBWILI AND FRANK BWALYA. AMATOBO YALALANGA INTULO YAMUNTU.
There’s nothing wrong with what Hon Chikwanda said about upnd leadership having remained exclusively southern. It is not tribal at all, but a fact. UPND MPs were just upset about someone reminding them about something which they thought they had swept under the carpet by making cosmetic changes to their leadership, GBM, Canissius, Nalumango. But didn’t you hear HH reveal his true intentions by telling the diplomats that what he is doing is to win the elections, and that once that is done he will be the real HH. That statement is loaded, it could mean the real tribally elected HH.
Look UPND, we have advised you many times before to come clean on the tribal issue and you have not, this Zambia and that tribal issue will haunt you forever as long as you do not categorically state and…
This is Zambia and that tonga tribal issue will haunt you forever as long as you do not categorically disown and apologise for that statement by your Chejani way back in 2006 that UPND presidency is reserved for tongas. How can other tribes forgive you if you do not repent and seek their forgiveness? And unguarded because of overconfidence in 2015, you endorsed Munkombwe’s repeat of Chejani’s tonga supremacy.
As if the cosmetic cover of tribalism is not enough, UPND is now a rotten combination of all sorts of violent, corrupt membership and HH has no control over them as long he thinks there are votes to be gained. And now the sophisticated big headed and unapologetic DBZ/Zambian airways professional thieves alias Cartel are also on board big time. When the Post editorial a few weeks ago encouraged them to be violent, barely a week later we had Bweengwa. You talk about about any vice that Zambians loathe, it is now in UPND. While PF leadership campaigns on infrastructure, we will remind Zambians of the tribalism, violence, corrupt elements, the cartel and all the vices that are in the new UPND. Our campaign dossier is almost ready to kick off on 11 May, watch out!
@73,@74,@75 Wise Head.
From your comment it is clear that you, my friend, suffer from ‘Selective Perception’ because of your self-limiting beliefs. Grandfather Chikwanda is heavily borrowing WITHOUT A CREDIBLE PAYBACK PLAN, and thereby consigning your children and mine, your uncles and mine, nieces and nephews etc… to a lifelong debt. And to avoid talking about it and being asked about a payback plan, for which obviously he has no answers to, what does he do in Parliament? He deliberately diverts to tribalism trash to create pandemonium, and in the confusion the bill is passed. Therefore, concerned parents like you (I honestly hope you are concerned about the future indebtedness of your children. I am concerned about mine) and your representative in Parliament are robbed of a change to…
Cont’d… a change to debate an important issue of debt which will NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE FUTURE OF YOUR children and nieces etc… And you say its okay??. You think a debt-free future will just happen by itself WITHOUT A PLAN?? How old are you? Racism and tribalism and all that trash is for selfish, backward small-minded prejudiced scumbags with self-limiting beliefs. Period.
This is proof our parliamentarians are willing to go the whole mile for us! Undignified as it sounds but it happens in Turkish, Italian, even Chinese Parliament, they get down to blows!
I like how Hon Chikwanda used words rather than fists to puncture UPND Representatives! This is proof how Violent UPND is. The Savages use every ounce of provocation to incite breakouts. It is a sad day, to come to thus type of behaviour by our top people, but Zambians need to stand on guard against UPND. This is an Internationally lead Militia we need to put down by Votes, Fists ( if it comes to that) ! God Bless Zambia, it’s people and Protect us from our Enemies. MY VOTE IS MY RIGHT!
LOL. Clearly you find NOTHING wrong with someone borrowing heavily WITHOUT A CREDIBLE PAYBACK PLAN, and thereby consigning your children and mine, your uncles and mine, nieces and nephews etc… to a lifelong debt. And you find nothing wrong that, to avoid being asked ‘where is the payback plan?’ by concerned normal functioning adults this person deliberately side tracks and brings in tribalism trash in Parliament. And you call yourself a ‘Patriot’ of your Country?
And as for you calling the name of God in vain, that’s not for me to say. The Scripture is very clear about that.
Zambia cannot afford to keep irresponsible officials in office. They are a liability to our economy and a threat to beloved Zambia’s national security. Please President Lungu prove you are a man of peace and also stick to your words that you are going to clean out people who don’t perform within your government and rid the government of trouble makers too. The officials who are harming Zambia’s security and economy should resign now.
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