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The Zambian Government has nothing to do with the Malawi Maize Scandal-Dora Siliya

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Minister of Agriculture Dora Siliya has said that the Zambian government has nothing to do with the maize scandal being investigated by the Malawian government and that her ministry should not be implicated in any corruption involving the maize deal between Zambia and Malawi..

Ms Siliya said that the Malawian government did not buy the 100,000 metric tonnes of maize from the Food Reserve Agency (FRA) but from individual farmers.

Ms Siliya said the only role the Zambian government played was to issue a permit of clearance, while the Malawian government came and identified a private agent to procure the maize on its behalf.

“We allowed for the export to Malawi because the contract was signed before the ban on exports was effected.

“The contract was signed in June 2016 under a government-government arrangement to help Malawi with the commodity following a drought which only spared Zambia in the Southern Africa Development Community (SADC),” she said.

She said no corruption was involved as alleged in some sections of society because Government was not at all involved in the procurement process.

She said after the Malawian government sought Zambia’s assistance, the Government provided them with a permit to import maize while the maize export ban was still in effect.

“The Malawian government identified an agent, the maize suppliers and also negotiated the terms without any input from the Government,” she said.

Ms Siliya was referring to reports in sections of the Zambian media alleging corruption against the Agriculture ministry in Malawi concerning the maize deal with Zambian farmers.

She said it was important to identify differences between genuine corruption concerns and rumour mongering.

Meanwhile, the Anti Corruption Commission (ACC) has said that investigations have been instituted into alleged corruption relating to the Zambia-Malawi maize deal.

At a Press briefing yesterday, the Commission said it had begun collaboration with the Malawi Anti-Corruption Bureau over the matter.

89 COMMENTS

  1. How can Zambian government issue a clearance certificate to import/export dog meat, even if Chinese identified individual dog owners?

    • Everything Dora the Explorer Siliti is saying is lies! Never believe anything from PF bandits but the opposites.
      Dora wants to wash her banditry & corrupt hands clean. Aikona, the hands of bandit Dora are unclean~able, they are glued to lies.
      By the way, how is the economy, load shedding & a price of mealie meal in your area after visionless Lungu of PF bandits had a “fruitful meeting with the millers” over a week ago? Inzanyokola njala with your visionless PF bandits.
      The Skeleton Key
      ~206~

    • This for sure has everything to do with the Zambian govt.
      I just googled now if you search the following on google you will find the signatory to the deal. The following are the headlines from Lusaka times, just google the headlines below and see how GRZ is part of the scandle
      1) “Malawi secures 100,000 metric tonnes of maize from Zambia”
      2)”Empty FRA Storage Sheds; How Malawi is mopping up Zambian Input subsidized Maize from Eastern Province”

    • LUSAKA, Nov. 21 (Xinhua) — Zambia has begun the export of 100,000 tonnes of maize to neighboring Malawi to help the country deal with its food shortage, according to local media.

      Minister of Eastern Province Chanda Kasolo said the export of the grain worth 34.5 million U.S. dollars was being done on a government-to-government deal.

      “We have banned export of maize and its products but we had a request from Malawi to supply them with the grain and we are doing just that under a government-to-government deal,” he is quoted saying by the Zambia Daily Mail.

      The export is being done by the Zambia Cooperative Federation, a quasi-government institution. The first consignment of 344 tonnes left for Malawi on Saturday, he added.

      The government, he said, was closely monitoring the…

    • The government, he said, was closely monitoring the export of the maize to ensure that unscrupulous traders do not take advantage of the situation to smuggle maize out of the country.

      Zambia has been battling the problem of maize smuggling to neighboring countries following a high demand for the commodity. Zambia is among the few countries with surplus maize following poor rains experienced in the 2015/2016 season in southern Africa.

    • By Lusaka Times: “Malawi Government has secured 100,000 metric tons of maize from the neighbouring country Zambia, deputy director of communication, Halmiton Chimala has confirmed to Nyasa Times.

      Chimala said Minister of Agriculture, Irrigation and water development George Chaponda signed the deal in Zambia “to exempt its ban on all maize exports and deliver 100, 000 Metric tons of Maize to Malawi.”

      He said Zambian President Edgar Chagwa Lungu signed the deal on behalf of his government.

      “The initial agreement with the Zambia Cooperatives Society to export 100, 000 metric tons to Malawi became invalid with the imposing of a ban on all maize exports by the Zambian government in April, 2016 but now all is well,” said Chimala.

      Chimala said delivery of the 100metric tones will…

    • These tuma united party for national dunderheads have never heard of “Forward Contracts”! A forward contract is binding and if the govt had not honoured the permit the State could’ve been sued! But you 1mbeciles are biased against the govt for everything so the above statement is to educate the masses who are not brainwashed ilombas like Nez (New Evilminded Zambian) and other agents of lucifer.

    • Maybe she was better off keeping quite. The moment she opens her mouth on the issue & the cat is out.
      Why did Chaponda come to state house? Why was the money paid to ZCF (a govt agency) instead of Kaloswe?
      Why is it that Dora dismisses everything as rumour mongering?

    • Dora PLEASE when an investigation is instituted let the investigators do their job don’t start Preemptive statements when all along you had an opportunity to issue statement. WHY NOW! ….remember …”you have the right to silence anything you say or do may be used against you in the courts of law as evidence…”

    • In 2015, Edgar Lungu and his cousin James Chirwa, the executive director of the Zambia Cooperative Federation (ZCF) bought more than 2,000 solar-powered milling machines from China using public money.Chirwa told the media that, one solar-powered milling machine costs a total of U$70,000. In total, the government of Lungu spent $200 million to buy these Chinese machines.

      Chirwa and Lungu told the country that once installed, these machines will be producing cheap millie meal for the entire country.

      According to the Daily Mail, the installation of these Chinese machines should have been completed in February 2016 since the suppliers were paid in full upfront.
      The Skeleton Key
      ~206~

    • @Skeleton: your link of solar hammermills to GRZ and ZCF clearly shows that ZCF is not a private institution. Therefore the export of maize by ZCF to Malawi is also at GRZ instigation. There is therefore no way Dollar Syria can wash her hands off this transaction and say that GRZ’s role was merely regulatory. GRZ was fully involved and Malawians have cause to question how PF stole from them. The commission at $13.4m, though, is huge. How did Lungu ever think that they could get away with stealing so much money and nobody would notice?

    • @House fly

      I hope the charlatan minister and her fellow thieves will read what you have written here. How easily they forget what they do! We have such stup!d people populating the corridors of power!!

    • You were quiet all along now that investigations have commenced you start issuing statements …if you were truly innocent you would named every private company involved but we all know that these are mere proxy companies.
      At least this time we have Malawian Investigators on this one not the useless ACC who will shelve this and state it is progressing well.

    • @House fly for the first time I like your postings they are very objective, precise and educative, I do agree there are some flipping clumsy Zambian Government hands somewhere in this deal I, too, have been following it! Why a smearing u turn? We are not babies or a bunch of illiterates, please just come out we need the truth. The days of political engineering tricks are over you are dealing with enlightened people who know every corner where you hide dirty packages. WE ARE WATCHING YOU!!!!!!

    • Dora Siliya, you know, God the Almighty did not give the monopoly of intelligence to Ministers and their PF President alone. In his wisdom, He equitably distributed intelligence to all His creatures. The best I would advise you to do is to hold your horses and wait for the report from the Malawian Government and your own Anti Corruption Commission (ACC) if they work independently as your government claims they do. Why make a haste ministerial statement. Why jump the gun? Wait Dora, wait, unless you are scared!

    • And why is the Government lifting the dress or wearing a mini – skirt for the Chinese Government I don’t like this kind of monopoly in trade. We seem not to have teeth when it comes to sovereignty thats why we attract foolish investors like the owners of KCM and Mopani now our people are suffering. Why can’t we learn from Countries like Japan who decided to work hard for the sake of their future generations. A normal Zambian wants to dance today and then become poor the next day, when the children complain he responds by saying “Mwana wandi ifwe twali fikangabwe Icalo conse calinjishibe na Obama pantu twalelyafye nankwe imbale imo”. We should endeavour to leave our children a better and prosperous Zambia. Our Destiny is to fight for economic freedom from greedy leaders.

    • It was already murky but the minister just stirred in the thickest mud. Look in to the multiple middle parties. The dishonest right hand is concealing its long fingered left. Whether here or Mauritius, was that money paid? If not all we are about to see are the ‘fall guys’. LOL. Hashtag theftingrainedinDNA

    • And why is the Government lifting the dress or wearing a mini – skirt for the Chinese Government I don’t like this kind of monopoly in trade. We seem not to have teeth when it comes to sovereignty thats why we attract foolish investors like the owners of KCM and Mopani now our people are suffering. Why can’t we learn from Countries like Japan who decided to work hard for the sake of their future generations. A normal Zambian wants to dance today and then become poor the next day, when the children complain he responds by saying “Mwana wandi ifwe twali fikangabwe Icalo conse calinjishibe na Obama pantu twalelyafye nankwe imbale imo”. We should endeavour to leave our children a better and prosperous Zambia. Our Destiny is to solicit for economic freedom from greedy selfish leaders.

    • She said the Malawians came and identified. The Malawians said they received a recommendation or introduction. Therein lies the truth. Which is it?

      How come at first meeting with Zed govt. they were not told of ban then there is a month delay which results in this murky deal being signed 24 hours later? Between the two dates this Kaloswe enters the picture and seems able to sign with ZCF despite this ban. What am I missing?

      Also why is it appearing like one party wrestles the deal from another. If the Malawians cancelled on Kaloswe for non delivery then surely this current deal is govt to govt.

      Perhaps those involved have all just been blocked and impeded by others left out on both sides of the border. LOL.

    • Lies, She knows this deal very well. Her and the whole Gung, did not allow any Zambian to export maize yet, allowed your crooked friends. She should be held accountable.

    • “The Malawian government identified an agent,…….

      Dora, inform the nation who is the agent in question? Is it all part of dochi kubeba syndrome? Where the truth is some of your will be implicated in the said agent. Dora, corruption is in so many ways, even acting in a manner not in the interest of the nation knowingly is corruption.

    • @ 1 Nostradamus,
      Be serious, you also!
      What dog meat? What type of example or illustration are you trying to communicate

      When government puts up a ban, the only institution that can lift the ban or pit a waver to it is government itself.

      The circumstance that led to Malawi asking for importation of maize from Zambia were good enough to warrant government granting permit certificate to waver the ban.

      So, it was the duty of the importer to carryout their window-shopping as nd come up with the correct seller with correct price.

    • Those who started referring to the current Minister of Agriculture “smart” Dora made her head grow big but she now can not carry it on her shoulders to intelligently articulate on issues as equally smarter Zambians are knocking the big head exposing it for what it is!

    • Another lie from PF – as soon as they get caught in their lies they blame someone else……Remember elections and the accusations that Malawians were brought in and registered to vote…

  2. lies have short legs Dora.. barely a month and some weeks ago you were saying Zambia has supplied 100,000mt to Malawi using Z.C.F, and Malawi government has said only 4000mt has been delivered’MAYBE ZCF IS AN INDIVIDUAL FARMER ‘. Mwachilamo ba swine imwe.

  3. How much is 25kg of mealie meal ? The all government is corrupt. 2017 half of the country without electricity. Why suffer because of man . The most dull people are fund in Africa, that’s why slaves we’re sold for salt .

  4. What a mess.
    – Government-to-government contract was signed. Who signed? Who was supplier and who was buyer?
    – clearance certificate!, clearance from smuggling?
    Zambian Attorney General, answer me.

  5. Government to government arrangement …… And government was not involved. Suliti , how dull do you think we are?

  6. She is one of the most s.tu.p.i.d ministers i have ever seen. Anyway she has qualities to save in the visionless man government.

    • @KC: What the minister said is not correct. 1) the ban on maize export was effected on 5 April 2016 and not in June 2016. 2) ZCF which mentioned is the maize gate scandal belongs to the Zambian government and not to individual farmers. 3) this was a Goverment to Government arrangement, it was Zambia’s responsibility to ensure the transactions were all transperant from first truck load till the last load.

    • And as somebody has pointed out above, ZCF was previously used by PF to get solar hammermills from China. They said it was govt bringing those in and they would reduce mealie meal prices accordingly. Therefore ZCF is part of govt and not a private entity.

  7. There is no smoke without fire. The Malawian Minister of Agriculture revealed that he came to Zambia and met Edgar Lungu and Dora Siliya on the maize contract. What was the Meeting for? Given how corrupt the 2 are it is unbelievable that Lungu and Dora did not take a cut. Its impossible!!

  8. The Commission of inquiry appointed by the Malawian President will tell us after investigations are concluded whether the Zambian government was involved or not.

  9. Don’t make preemptive statements now that investigations have been instituted by the ACC. Lies have short legs, today you may think you are untouchable, remember Chiluba’s properties worth 42 million zmw were recently forfeited to the government. The question is, why did he not make claim if they were genuinely acquired? Corruption, no matter the schemes employed like, matrix accounting or registering companies in the Bahamas, and other countries, the truth will finally come out. The Malawian president is not s fool to put in place a commission of inquiry to get to the bottom of this. Obviously, before the deal was struck, he talked to his college here in Zambia and that is why he sent his minister of agriculture to personally come and meet our president. Now this chimamawaluse want to…

  10. This lady is a nyini, she is the worst minister I have ever seen. Useless! Galu! As a Ngoni chief I am not happy with the way things are running in this country. We want H.H. in Eastern province. Viva H.H.!

    • You charlatan pion Lupoko, do not disrespect Paramount Chief Mpezeni and the Ngoni people by dragging their name into your ignorant pejorative nonsense. Apologise now. It is also time you respected your leader the hon. Dora Siliya. Get it?

  11. With due respect I hope she reads her statement because she is CONTRADICTING HER SELF in the statement she is issuing , the contract was signed before then ban and she says ban was already in place and government had to allow special arrangement , MINISTER WHAT IS WHAT why do you read statements written for you by others can’t you dimwits write them your selves grow up HON MINISTER YOU ARE A LAUGHING STOCK

    • If Lungu is serious he must remove this minister but I think the whole cabinet has no work ethics. When a minister faces the media she should have done her homework

  12. Looking at the transnational banking instruments involved, Letters of credit etc, there is no commercial bank in either country which can put them up without a Government to Government surety or guarantee. Our banks can’t even put up a 10M USD instrument for an import/export order, unless if you are a very big International player or you first deposit an equivalent amount.

  13. What a contradiction………………… “The contract was signed in June 2016 under a government-government arrangement to help Malawi with the commodity following a drought which only spared Zambia in the Southern Africa Development Community (SADC),” she said.

    She said no corruption was involved as alleged in some sections of society because Government was not at all involved in the procurement process.

  14. A PRIVATE Zambian company that was set to make US $13 million in a 100 000 tonnes maize deal with Malawi has now sued the Zambia Co-operative Federation for breach of contract for failing to supply the maize.

    In Malawi, the contract has become the subject of a commission of inquiry with investigations centering on the expensive price of US$395 per tonne compared to US$250 per tonne.

    Meanwhile, the Malawian Minister of Agriculture has distanced his government from the maize contract with Kaloswe Commuter and Courier Limited, and has confirmed that his country bought the maize in a government to government contract through ZCF/ADMARC.

    The Malawian minister has applauded a commission of inquiry appointed by that country’s Head of State, Professor Peter Mutharika to investigate…

  15. the deal.

    Kaloswe has accused ZCF of failure to supply of 100, 000 metric tonnes of maize meant for export to Malawi despite receiving full payment for the consignment in the sum of US $34, 500, 000.00.

    According to a statement of claim filed into the Lusaka High Court, Kaloswe Commuter and Courier Limited chief executive officer Isaac Kapambwe said his company entered into contract with ZCF for the supply of the said quantities of maize at a unit cost of US $215 per metric tonne at a total contract sum of US $21, 500, 000.

    “The plaintiff will aver that subsequently, on 17th June 2016 the plaintiff entered into a contact with ADMARC Limited (ADMARC) a company registered and domiciled in the Republic of Malawi, for the supply by the Plaintiff to ADMARC of the 100, 000 metric…

  16. of 2014-2015 ex-stock Non GMO white maize at the price of US $345.00 per metric tonnes,” Mr Kapambwe said.

    He explained that the contract Kaloswe Commuter had entered into with ADMARC of Malawi was to be financed by Eastern and Southern African Trade and Development Bank, a bank domiciled in Nairobi, Kenyan (the “PTA Bank”).

    And that to ensure efficient delivery of the maize to ADMARC, the PTA Bank was to pay the full contract sum of US$ 34, 500, 000.00 directly to the source that the commodity would be purchased from, that is, ZCF.

    “The plaintiff will further aver that on 1st September, 2016 the PTA Bank transferred the US $ 34, 500, 000.00 into the defendant’s account, number: 0003203000439, held with First Capital Bank, Lusaka Main Branch,” he said.

    But that ZCF was…

  17. But that ZCF was only supposed to get US $21, 500, 000 for the 100, 000 tonnes of maize supply to Kaloswe based on the contract, and release an excess of US$ 13, 000, 000 to Kaloswe Commuter and Courier Limited.

    Mr Kapambwe averred that on 30th August, 2016, wrote to ZCF for an initial advance payment of US$350, 000.00 from the excess US$ 13, 000, 000 to begin facilitation of transportation and associated logistics but that the request was rejected on the pretext that there was no need as the export permits for the maize had not yet been issued by the Ministry of Agriculture.

    He has stated that it was wholly unjustified for ZCF to reject the request for payment as it was clearly indicated in the contract that “Zambia Co-operative Federation will assist the buyer by way of…

  18. “Zambia Co-operative Federation will assist the buyer by way of facilitating the process of obtaining all the relevant permits to allow the movement of grain from Zambia”.

    And further argued that it was never a condition precedent either orally or in writing that the funds for logistics and associated costs would be released to Kaloswe upon issuance of export permit by the Ministry of Agriculture.

    Mr Kapambwe has further stated that following the legal principle of “privity of contract” ZCF is not permitted to interfere with the contact between Kaloswe Commuter and Courier Limited and ADMARC as it was not a party to it.

  19. Ignore fo0ls like NEZ. These are people who probably their parents had no moral capacity to raise them in a proper manner as a result they will insult with ease.

  20. We Zambians are not asleep, such policticing ya Dora had expired in FTJ times. We have read the finding from Malawi.its clear and does not need any explaining. Your time is near,tick too tick tok

  21. He has since applied to the court for an order of interim injunction to restrain ZCF from spending, transferring, administering or dealing with the said US $34, 500, 000.00 paid into its account by the PTA Bank as per contract before determination of the matter.

    “The Plaintiff (Kaloswe Commuter) is of the view that the actions of the Defendant (ZCF) are not in good will and are deliberately intended to frustrate, not only the contract between the Plaintiff and Defendant, but also the contracts between the Plaintiff and ADMARC and the transporter,” he said.

    He has also requested for the courts to order ZCF for specific performance of the defendant’s obligation under the contract dated 31st May 2016 between Kaloswe and ZCF.

    Meanwhile, Kaloswe has equally dragged ADMARC to court…

  22. That’s all you’re hoping for, to see the government implicated. You’ll wait until the second coming of the Messiah.

  23. “The permanent secretary for agriculture Shawa also said authority has been given under a government-to-government deal for the export of 100,000 ton of maize to Malawi, an exercise that will be done through the Zambia Co-operative Federation (ZCF) and Malawi’s Transglobe Limited, respectively.” this was a news item from african farming dot com.
    How come that the minister is saying that it has nothing to do with the government……am confused!

  24. Chimala said Minister of Agriculture, Irrigation and water development George Chaponda signed the deal in Zambia “to exempt its ban on all maize exports and deliver 100, 000 Metric tons of Maize to Malawi.”

    He said Zambian President Edgar Chagwa Lungu signed the deal on behalf of his government.

  25. When a lion wants to kill its prey, it does not visibly move as usual, sometimes it has to craw, until it’s sure it’s time to attack. So is this deal.

  26. My Brothers and Sisters: What ever you do in privacy, whether under the Ocean, Sky, Darkness, Alone or Two of you, Whether you are a Minister of any Government Institution, whether you are a President, MP, Councilor, Ward Chairman (Woman ) Rich or Poor. WHAT EVER EVIL THING YOU DO SHALL COME TO JUDGMENT. Here on Earth you can be cleaver but you will be foolish the last day of leaving this earth (death). When you are still alive always say the TRUTH in you dealings. You are on earth GOD is above. TIMELY WARMING REPENT IT IS NOT TOO LATE: Read Mark 4:22

  27. Kasiliti Husband snatcher, you have everything to do with this scandal, why are you answering before we ask you questions? Your name and that of your Boss are in our folders, wait until we call you to account for your role, meantime shimama! keep quiet and continue to enjoy the stolen dick.

  28. Most of the things on this blog are just rumours, hate, malice and gossip. Since I am a very sensible member of the opposition, I would rather wait for the investigations. I cant sink so low as to malign Dora Siliya on things that are not even proven. Too much talking in Zambia, no skopo

    • That’s my observation. You’ll see what they will say when at the end of the investigation no grz officer is implicated : “The investigation has been cooked ” etc. When GRZ never said nothing people were complaining, but now GRZ have said something, the same bloggers are saying the government should not talk about the “scandal “. Their prayers are to see government is scandalized.

  29. “The contract was signed in June 2016 under a government-government arrangement to help Malawi with the commodity following a drought which only spared Zambia in the SADC.” I wonder what this new reader called Dora understands by a govt-govt deal. Her explanations is a nullity, Malawi was duped and conned under Dora’s watch. She must be ashamed of her stinking p.ussy oozing of Katangese sperm and maggots!

  30. Dora, do not have sleepless nights because of certain comments which are coming from some sources that want to govern even your private life. Some of them got rich selling commodities to the army and police using different names and yet the same person. These people think your being is not equal to your task as agriculture minister. Please do not hit back but let your works shame them. Am sure you are capable and qualify to do many more tasks but only that we can’t all be queens at the same time.

  31. Dora you sound scared of your own shadows. The good thing is that the Malawan ACC will produce their own independent conclusion if our own inept ACC tries to sweep this under. Dora you reek of corruption everywhere. Sorry but the truth cannot be hidden for long. Ask FTJ MHSRP.

  32. The contract signed in June 2916 was a government-government agreement. Meaning Zambia and Malawi governments agreed to execute the deal. Dora is minister of agriculture and is not aware that her ministry is responsible for commodities such as maize involving a foreign government – shocking!

  33. Please ignore the fo0ls insulting on this forum. It just shows that Zambia has a fair share of them and most of those insulting, just know it’s poor parenting as they were coming up. Anybody using vulgar language and insults ni Chipuba. I don’t like Dora but I will not insult. Others insulting are those whose brains are small like nshaba/mbalala

  34. do all these insults make people rich?how can you insult someone who doesn’t even know you and your clan,that is so primitive.

  35. It’s sad that people who aspire to one day form government can resort to falsehoods, innuendoes, insults and wanting facts to be changed. No money was paid and the whole saga is purely Malawian and Zambia is only to assist with investigations.

  36. DORA WAS UNDER PROBE PREVIOUSLY AND AGAIN IS IMPLICATED IN A ZAMBIA MALAWI SCANDAL MAIZE DEAL DEAL. IN FACT IF LUNGU IS NOT WORRIED AS HE TALK ABOUT CHISHIMBA KAMBWILI, THEN CAN HE SEND DORA ON A FORCED LEAVE SO THAT ACC CAN PROBE HER BETTER.

  37. Bottom line is that we are being awfully nice helping Malawi resolve it’s bad deal. Buyer Beware….., next time they need to buy maize they must ensure they are dealing with the right people.

  38. Most you spend more time talking.

    You don’t mind whether you have knowledge or not, as long as you can talk or write you just do it.

    Read Nyasatimes below:

    nyasatimes.com/malawi-govt-lied-zambia-maize-deal-objective-evidence-reveals-scam/

  39. The critical issue here is this KALOSWE middleman. It may have been a govt to govt deal, but government did not reveal that there would be a middleman. The maize deal actually should have cost $21m if done directly between ZCF representing govt. and the Malawians. Why would you then have a middleman to deal with the ‘logistics’ that add another $13m on the price – hence the $34m. KALOSWE is there just to cobble $13m? The transportation wouldn’t cost that much. Malawi pays $34m, ZCF gets $21m and KALOSWE gets $13m. That is what the Malawi govt. is querying. Why should they pay an extra $13m if it was a govt. to govt. deal where they needed to spend only $21m? Is KALOSWE connected to LUNGU or SILIYA or both? That is the question and this is one way in which corruption occurs (I have not…

  40. You know that your neighbour is sterile and his wife gets pregnant and the kid comes out with your husbands head, nose and ears.
    Your husband is a stay at home fellow with the libido of a rutting rhino.
    You have text messages and bawdy pictures of the woman on his phone and he calls out her name when he’s cumming.
    Then the dude wants to say he’s got nothing to do with it!
    Yeah, RIGHT!!!!
    Dora please tell us another one.

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