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New Lusaka roads have started getting damaged-Govt

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Washed away parts of a road in Lusaka
Washed away parts of a road in Lusaka

A senior Government official has revealed that most of the newly constructed township roads in Lusaka have started developing potholes.

Ministry of Housing and Infrastructure Permanent Secretary Charles Mushota told Journalists in Lusaka that it is disappointing that most of the roads under the Formula One and L400 road projects have started getting damaged.

Engineer Mushota said the development is a confirmation that the majority of the road done were shoddy.

He said by any acceptable standards, a newly constructed road should at least stand a 10-year life span before developing any cracks.

Engineer Mushota said in the case of the L400 road project, it is disheartening that the already done roads are cracking when the entire project has not been completed.

The L-400 is the road project which the PF Government is undertaking through the Road Development Agency to construct, upgrade, pave or expand all the roads in Lusaka.

The project which commenced from June, 2013 is expected to see the targeted 408 Kilometres of roads done with US$348.8 million as project sum.

Some of the damaged sections of the roads in Matero during the rainy season
Some of the damaged sections of the roads in Matero during the rainy season
Parts of the damaged sections of the roads in Lusaka
Parts of the damaged sections of the roads in Lusaka

119 COMMENTS

  1. Cheap labour,we even heard that some persons were claiming to spend $1000 per kilometer.Kaya

    • This is what we tell you about the ills and consequences of corruption in PF.

      And that the evil regime speareded by that chief rigger mafi@so called Kaiser at Statehouse, detest so much anyone reviewing anything exposing their acts of inadequacy and corruption, the next thing you will hear is that Engineer Mushota has been retired in the national interest for speaking to the media about the washed up shoddily done roads without being cleared by State House -that is how ruthless this visionless regime has become, its a shame really!

    • What did you expect; contracts are given at state house! And who lives at state house? The person living at state house just showed you that in a year, with luck, at a president’s wage you can become a billionaire.

      It doesn’t take much imagination bane

    • @ Kabova get your facts right. PLEASE! Mushota is a fully qualified Engineer. Besides a procurement specialist can also have Engineering qualifications the two are not mutually exclusive.

    • too much corruption,stealing under pf government.the monies which was meant for good roads construction was used during the election compains..lol

    • No this is too much! Fellow Zambians these contractors are killing us! We need a comparative study to see the feasibilty of making CONCRETE ROADS as oppossed to these fake tarmac roads that seem to wash away too easily! Chilanga cement over 20 years ago constructed a 5km excellent concrete road to their plant in Ndola why cant the same be replicated elsewhere? We have an abundance of limeston and gypsum.

      OR

      Simply bring back the orginal team of Phonix contractors that are now in Tanzania under a different company name- they are doing an excellent job in Tanzania and Kenya…Zambian contractors are just jokers more interested in buying the latest Hilux to show off how big they are than doing a good job…cretins!

    • This is bad, Zambian leaders should be ashamed of themselves. Where is the patriotism and pride for our country?? Such corruption is unforgivable. We should take these people to task.. This is not right.

    • Years back, the Federal Government of Nigeria contracted a Germany company called Julius Berger or something like that, to build their roads. Nigeria has not been disappointed todate. This company was given a long lease contract. Each time a road showed stress, the company would hurriedly attend to it. This is why Nigerian roads are some of the best in Africa if not the world. I cannot understand why Zambia cannot take a leaf from Nigeria.

    • Photo number one is a proper misrepresentation. The section shown as damaged has no road constructed. Its an existing gravel or path that needs to be upgraded. That section has not been constructed. Its a clear case of political mileage. Photo two shows the edge of a damaged road. In most cases edges of roads are damaged due to excessive erosive actions towards the discharge points for storm water. This usually happens when the section of that road edge is one the lower section of the road. These photos are on edges and end of construction sections of these roads. In most cases these sections are always susceptible to corrosive action. A clear photo of a damaged road was the one one Luangwa to Feira Road section. These photos are political motivated.

    • Just depressing. Zambia has many qualified and experience civil engineers and Project Managers especially those in the diaspora driving high value capital projects who could drive quality work. Why have we marginalized own qualified resources for fake Chinese contractors? Do we appreciate the burden of substandard work on taxpayers? President Lungu must set himself free and attract the Diaspora professional community asap before Zambia collapse.

    • So what?You know that cadres have been getting cuts from these contractors and you expect good roads?Just keep quiet as we await another government.

    • This Mushota is the uncle to the LTBB blogger Mushota. This is the reason she did not comment. Recently, she was warned against and paid to blog in favour of PF because her uncle has bounced back in favour of PF.

      If you remember she also supports Kabimba because Charles Mushota and Winter are married into the same family. So the falling of Winter led to the falling of Charles. Now the Charles is back as PF appointee, the BB blogger Mushota is back singing praises to PF.

    • Borrowing in the morning and stealing in the afternoon, only to ask IFM to come in to help pay, later for common person to meet the full interest payments. A country with no direction. Shame Pf, shame more money in the pockets of K Zulu

  2. Consequence of corruption!!!!!!! When will Zambians wake up and realise that they are being conned by thieving politicians?

  3. Prima facie case of PF corruption.

    Sadly, no one will be held accountable – while the ACC remains willfully asleep!

    • $9.2billion stolen over “massive infrastructure projects” that are crumbling even before completion. How gullible Zambians are! Any PFooIs complaining should be told to walk on and eat Lungu’s humility. No wonder Lungu made $2.3 million within 15 months of becoming President – Party of Fieves!

  4. It’s not the contractors fault. RDA lowered the specifications of the roads so as to accommodate quoted prices for more roads with a smaller government budget. You get what you pay for. Let’s not forget the late payments made to contractors

  5. This is not shocking nes. its the new normal. What would surprising is if the roads could have withstood a single rainy season without damage. Incompetent engineers, contractors snd politicians in tow have made a fine mess of things. Hey Brian Mushimba, when is that SI forbidding drivers from using such roads coming. And to think these roads are endlessly inspected by this and that politician= not surprising.

  6. Damaged roads courtesy of PF culture of allowing dirty street traders all over who block the drainage .

    When are we gonna have a culture of maintenance,zero corruption road contracts and no nonsense approach to destructive littering?

    • The street vendors are a tiny part of the problem. The truth is that these spray-on roads were just a con to justify the stealing of the Eurobonds, the FX reserves that MMD left, the $600m VAT refunds not paid to the mines, and the huge local Tbills and GRZ bonds debts.

  7. The opposition are to blame because they didn’t support this project. There was no proper checks and balances done on the road contractors. Opposition parties should realise that there is more to opposition than the insults and defaming statements they offer daily.

    • Eagle One you are most intelligent PF blogger I have ever read. Your reasoning surpasses normal human understanding. You are a genius!

      I wish I had a dog like you.

    • @Mulenga, nice one! The opposition cannot block the PF Budget because they don’t have the numbers in Parliament. And the day to day management of govt business is left to PF crooks and PFieves. Do these contacts ever go for voting on at Parliament? NO. These are quietly dealt with in Lungu’s kitchen.

    • KC: The guarantees are always on all contracts of such magnitude. Any one found wanting will be held liable for such acts. I am very positive that these works will be attended to before the project is finally handed over to the government. It also pains me to read some of the comments without an informed position. Are these roads really under L400 or Formula One. I heard Eng. Mushota making that clarification during one of the live radio programs on this issue. I suspect we are mixing the two programmes. Formula One roads were built earlier than L400 roads in these townships mentioned above. I might be wrong.

  8. THOSE ARE NOT ROADS AT ALL. IT DOESN’T TAKE A CIVIL ENGINEER TO KNOW THAT IT WON’T TAKE EVEN A YEAR FOR THE SO CALLED ‘ROADS’ TO BE DAMAGED AND FINISHED. THOSE SO CALLED ‘ROADS’ ARE BUT JUST CONDUITS FACILITATING STEALING BY RDA AND SOME MINISTERS AND CIVIL SERVANTS. THOSE SO CALLED ‘ROADS’ WHERE SIGNED OFF AS JOB WELL DONE BY RDA AND THE MINISTER CONCERNED. HOW COME THAT EXPERTS (RDA) DID NOT NOTICE THE POOR STATE OF THEM DURING AND AFTER THEY FINISHED CONSTRUCTING THEM? GO TO BOTSWANA AND SEE THE DEFINITION OF A ROAD. CAN’T ZAMBIA REPLACE RDA EXPERTS BY BOTSWANA EXPERTS WHO SEE TO IT THAT PROPER ROADS ARE CONSTRUCTED. ZAMBIA HAS A LONG WAY TO GO.

    • This kind of impunity must be STOPPED!!!!!!!! The few upright people in Zambia are to blame for this mess … A nation descends into shame when good people surrender to the dictates of the bad ones.

  9. The photos shown do not show newly road damaged. All I see is the undone section of the road. Not refuting the cracks on new roads but definitely pictures shown are a misrepresentation for political expedience.

  10. And you are surprised? That is the reality with all roads built for Political expediency. Oh Africa my Africa

  11. I honestly don’t know why we didn’t continue with pave Zambia which looked very strong and easy to maintain. And it created work for township youths.whats wrong with the government. Trust me any one who watched eyes on the road will agree with me including honest well meaning RDA staff.

  12. IT ALWAYS SHOCKS ME WHY ZAMBIA CAN’T LEARN EVEN FROM THE NEAREST BOTSWANA. JUST WAIT AND SEE WHEN THE BRIDGE BETWEEN ZAMBIA AND BOTSWANA IS FINISHED. THE STANDARDS ON BOTSWANA SIDE WILL BE VERY HIGH WHILE THERE WILL BE NO STANDARDS AT ALL ON THE ZAMBIAN SIDE. ZAMBIA LOST IT- THERE’S TOO MUCH STEALING THAN THE OTHER WAY ROUND. AND THERE’S TOO MUCH WARNING BY THE PRESIDENT TO HIS MINISTERS WITHOUT ACTION. HIS MINISTERS AND OTHER GOVERNMENT OFFICERS NOW TAKE HIM FOR GRANTED. FIRST, ALL RDA AUTHORITIES MUST BE REPLACED. THERE ARE A FEW CIVIL ENGINEERS WITH PRINCIPLES WHO ARE RELOCATING TO ZAMBIA FROM OVERSEAS THAT I KNOW, ONLY I CAN’T MENTION THEIR NAMES DUE TO DATA PROTECTION ISSUES. THESE CAN DO A GOOD JOB IN RDA WITHOUT EVEN STEALING A PENNY/NGWEE. THEY ARE HIGHLY PRINCIPLED. THEY HAVE…

  13. …THESE CAN DO A GOOD JOB IN RDA WITHOUT EVEN STEALING A PENNY/NGWEE. THEY ARE HIGHLY PRINCIPLED. THEY HAVE DESIGNED AND SUPERVISED THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE REAL STATE-OF-THE-ART ROADS WHICH COST LESS THAN HALF THE COST IN ZAMBIA PER KILOMETRE. IT IS OBSCENE TO HAVE A ROAD COSTING USD$1MILLION/KILOMETRE. SAD, INDEED.

  14. Ati pf has achieved infrastructure development. So now if we take this away it simply means that pf has achieved nothing. What a failed illegal government this is. Poor quality of shoddy work is what happens when contracts are awarded to party sympathisers and cadres. Corruption is the devil. Lungu needs to go or die

  15. Now you know why some ministers got rich quick! Get the contractor back on site to do the repairs free of charge. This is the symbol for new wave of corruption and your government is looking to borrow even more for more dodgy projects!

  16. If tangible projects such as road works are fake what more intangible projects such as Kaizer Zulus economy forecasts. As Zambia in general we are developing cracks which I hope will not put Zambia in intensive care shortly. The dyamo dyamo syndrome at work. Give a bululu a contract dyamo and the life span of ten years reduces to ten months. Sadly even the road to twinpalm ZAF base is slowly packing up less than three years in use. Mushota is this what you support …shoddy works????????????????? We sympathize with Zambians as we need better.

  17. Sonta….. sonta ….. sonta…. sonta sontapooooo iweeeeee
    Selela tubwombe ko iwe…..

    That is why some kaponyas says it rains money around lungu…..

  18. First of all, people doing business in heavy duty vehicles, the likes of GBM and HH, must be taxed heavily. Its public knowledge that trucks which are overloaded are one of the causes of these road damages.
    ZCCM had a good policy were all metals and concentrates from the mines were transported by rail, even other heavy goods used the rail for transportation. This HH privatized the mines and gave it to people who have brought in so many trucks on the road and killed rail system- how do you expect the roads to last a day? Just as they have impounded trucks for the post, let government go further to grab all trucks from GBM, HH and others so that we only have rail system for heavy goods.
    Lastly, we have alot of half baked engineers, more especially those belonging to opposition party like…

    • …….UPND or HH, how do you upgrade roads but leave out drainage system? Imagine HH transporting 200 cows in a truck, the wait alone will damage the roads, then later on those cows will need to keep emptying their stomach and poop will fal on the road and the rains carries poop in blocked drainage….this results into pools of water which damage the road.

  19. UPND or HH, how do you upgrade roads but leave out drainage system? Imagine HH transporting 200 cows in a truck, the wait alone will damage the roads, then later on those cows will need to keep emptying their stomach and poop will fal on the road and the rains carries poop in blocked drainage….this results into pools of water which damage the road.

    • Why are you ranting about HH and the opposition?

      It is Sata, Lungu and PF that are responsible for these road constructions. Did you not hear them shouting about the wonderful job they were doing before the election?

      Did you not see them borrow TEN BILLION DOLLARS to pay for them?

      What has UPND got to do with it??????

  20. Nangu uli donkey, can you believe that there was a road in picture 2? Of course not, these pictures are just one and the same road from different angles. Pic 1 and 2 are same as you can see from the sandals. And that is an unprotected section of the end of a road. Pictures by an LT journalist near his home.
    Please show me a damaged section of Kafue road or Burma road before I comment. As you know I am not a donkey to make noise over nothing, including burning my beloved country not for the sake of Zambia but one individual who is undergoing brain correction treatment.

    • Hehehe

      but being a PF kaponya is a full time job with stealing on the mind 24/7 , bally you can tell us you don’t see anything wrong with that road ??? You must need spectacles.

    • Have you been on the so-called ring road lately? It is like being in a boat on a rough sea. The road has massive waves that can send your car flying to beyond repair status.

    • @Terrible and Munone: This news item is from a Permanent Secretary in the PF led Goverment. It’s surprising how you are bringing in UPND. Zambia got a loan for these roads, which we will have to pay back hence all of us are stakeholders and it is within our rights to demand value for the money spent. This should not be politicized.

    • I thought so as well. The part that is really damaged is the one in the second picture along the area that is supposedly a drainage not the entire front stretch as portrayed in picture number first. There was no road there in the first place! I know a number of roads have surely been damaged due to shoddy works but lets submit real pictures for constructive discussion

    • Big luger

      Can’t you see that road is getting washed away from underneath??? You want to see pot holes only ?? This kind of damage can be worse than pot holes at points to poor packaging of the whole road.

    • Eurobond down the drain…tomorrow fresh tenders will be issued when IMF gives them a loan and the cycle continues. Zambians are docile people their PAYE will increase again next budget because of this corruption.

  21. Just look at the mediocre roads and the filth and it tells you have morons (ifisushi) in charge.

    • Jay Jay: Yes i have been to Bostwana. I drove through those roads from Kasane to Martins Drift. The Road sections are divided into five distinct sections. Kasane to Pandamathenga (100km): The road is in bad condition. Pandamathenga to Nata (200kms): Brilliant master piece of road passing through the game park with Air Strip sections within the road precinpt. Nata to Francis Town (180kms): Road deteriorated and not being maintained with over grown bushes. poor drainage system. Francis town to Palapya (160kms): first 40kms done by Chinese contractor with waves but in good condition. Just made into a dual carriageway. last 100kms brilliant road with good drainage system. But be careful of cattle that roams the road. Palapya to Martins Drift (120kms): Isolated potohles but road generally in…

  22. Munone, no truck can carry 200 cows. Moreover , it is no wait but weight….I travel a lot in Zambia as my nature of work….,I can tell you if Zambians wont change our attitude of poor workmanship, dishonesty, patronage, laxity, and undue care, this country may end as Congo(Zaire). Imagine the pedicle road connecting Copperbelt and Luapula is being tarred by Zambians and Congolese refused to do so saying it is uneconomical. You cant see a farm , a school, clinic along the pedicle road yet people are living along the road…
    Zambians we don’t the President to tell us to develop this country, we must do it whether you are PF, UPND, FDD or Narep. Don’t narrow your thinking to individual even if you hate them. Zambia is bigger than HH or GBM. Work my friend and give the best of your life…

    • This is the spirit my brother. Let us work. Not this cadre mentality. Judging from the posts here on LT it is clear that some people think being a cadre is a noble job. A cadre is usually an under-achiever in life living on handouts.

    • The problem is the integrity of our leaders.

      We need a constitution that bars any person with a previous criminal record or fraud conviction from running for higher office.

      As it stands criminals and fraudstars are ruling Zambia and letting criminality and moral decay permiate to all levels of society.

      Very few reputable private companies will let any one apply for senior management with a criminal or fraud conviction.

    • Thanks for corrections bro.
      But we all know that everything going wrong in this country is as a result of opposition – more especially HH and his minions. When government gives you contract you always do a bad job to de-campaign government of the day.
      If we gave all contracts to PF they would show you how quality looks like but thats unacceptable and PF is an inclusive party/government.
      You opposition must be doing job jobs or else we cut all contracts and please dont cry foul play.

  23. This is the same case of Feira Road which got damaged a few months ago, up to now repairs have not been done despite being a small section of the road. Dyamo dyamo is causing all this shoddy works. When people talk about these ills in govt someone orders the police force to charge them with treason. We will never develop with corruption at the centre stage let alone not wanting to listen to advice just because you hate someone or because you want to show people that you know it all.

  24. Develop a higher thoughts and ideas and work on them rather than defending your Presidents….. Be highly constructive in your contribution on this blog…. Imagine if great ideas were being shared about to develop Zambia in terms of agriculture, mining, aviation, financial services, debt management, technology and tourism , this would demonstrate that Zambians are a great people like Japanese, Malaysians, Singapores, British. etc.
    A British engineer built a Victoria falls bridge and had it installed along the Zambia river between Zambia and Zimbabwe in 1905 and the Bridge is still being used….. Imagine 1905, the bridge is still strong… Help me fellow Zambians, we still use the bridge both train and vehicles not the cows Munone is complaining…… Be real and give the best….

  25. When are we moving RDA from State House? Has RDA ever been audited? The Engineers who were supervising these roads must be made to account and at best be prosecuted for criminal negligence! This is serious waste of taxpayers money!

  26. These are roads that are invoiced at $1million per kilometer by RDA..not even in England a road with underground drainage, marking and lighting costs that amount yet this looks like it was built with ordinary gravel and painted on. This is why the so called PF rich kids are able to spend K185000 on silly hats due to this cancer called corruption.

    • When money comes your way the easy way, this is what happens. Spending recklessly. “Chimbwi, No plan”.

    • Yes true Jay Jay …and yet MCS and his PF came to the scene saying they’re allergic to corruption.BIG LIE

  27. Please excuse me if my question sounds somewhat retarded, but i ask this as a layman.
    Does RDA conduct any asphalt core testing once they contractor has completed road construction or maintenance?
    Results of these tests would surely tell us if correct materials were used.

    • There is no testing no nothing only corruption…..how can you give road contracts to people who dont even own a wheel borrow ?

  28. Robmwale. Thank you i have been advocating the same. Lets get more bloggers on board with postive comments ideas to progress zambia. Somebody posted, bkack men can’t rule…..that is crap and should never be articulated.
    Zambia and zambians be proud until we become one zambia one nation ONE PEOPLE we will continue to have challenges
    Keep posting postives robmwale commendable

  29. Now you know why some people can splash 185000 on a hat whilst the vulnerable/sick are dying in hopitals due to lack of pain killers/medicine. Sleeping on floors due to no mattresses. No concious. Just evil

    • You are right Nkhata bay! We don’t respect or recognize the leadership of those that steal from our people! They can cry all they want but this level of recklessness cannot be tolerated by any patriotic citizen! From now on it is ZAMBIA FIRST! Political parties last regardless of name – PF, UPND, NAREP, FDD, UPN etc! We are sick and tired of these Kleptomaniacs whose interest is only SELF!

  30. this is PF development; more money in PF thugs’ pockets;ifintu ni Lungu;dununa reverse;eaten Eurobond money

  31. Stop blaming Govt its you citizens at fault your culture is bad if it was someone from western, south, west or central committing all these atrocities You will have already risen up against such one.let us just accept this as quality cof life we deserve.

  32. Zambian are being run like people in a Beer hall.Mwenya Musenge questioned how some have became Rich over night and Mumbi Phiri is critising him.

  33. Charles Mushota was NCC CEO before being moved to RDA and now Permsec! Who then must have been supervising contractors if it was not himself? Game play and confusing the enemy.

  34. These pictures above are not depicting the truth about this road which is from Commonwealth to Zani Muone via Chunga. Its commonly know as Mukulukumba road. The washed part of this road shown here is not part of the work done. The construction of the road ended where the boy is standing if you are coming from south-end of the road. The contractor could not proceed with the construction of the road because some opposition cadres have built their houses and wall fences up to the road and they refused to pave way for construction of the road demanding unreasonable compensation. You can see for yourselves on the picture with the boy standing. The rest of the road is in good shape and serving the community perfectly. These kind of lies will not benefit anyone including the one peddling the…

    • The Permanent Secretary has lamented on the shoddy works that have been Zambia. In what position are you arguing this point?

  35. This is explained the development of the PF era. PF cadres celebrate one of the successes you have recorded in Zambia. Tell the electorates the advantages of shoddy works under your walk the talk.

  36. Could be UPND engineers trying to sabotage everything. Examples abound of wastage of government resources to fhow that others are failing. Same objectives as boycotting parliament etc just for a misguided one individual. Destroy your own country as long as you achieve the original objective of replacing Andy. Its not me speaking, am just quoting Sejani and the UPND elders at that “convention”. It justifies a bit of clean up, we all pay a price for our wfong choices, ask HH at the brain correction facility.

    • Terrible your head is filled with bees and wasps !
      This has happened to all the newly renovated roads in Zambia. THis is what happens when funds are misplaced !
      The government appoints contractors you fool !

  37. Well…I remember the Japanese through Shimizu built Tokyo Way (Ring Road) and part of it towards Kamwala had actually got damaged. The Japanese sent in their engineers and discovered that it was a shift in the earth and they repaired it. My questions to all celebrating the damage, is this the whole 408km or just a small part that can be repaired?? I spend time in Matero and Kabwata and all the routes I use seem intact?? Why can’t the PS institute an audit and bring the contractor to book?? THEN HOW CAN NORMAL CITIZENS CELEBRATE DAMAGE TO THEIR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE???? and p.s…..WE ARE STILL NOT REVOLTING AGAINST OUR GOVERNMENT…kwekwekwekwekwekwe….

  38. THERE IS A LOT TO BE DESIRED IN THE ZAMBIAN HAPPENINGS. LUNGU VS HH, FERTILIZER VS FARMER.

    CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN AS TO WHY LUNGU WANTS TO WORK INTO TURNING SOLWEZI CITY AND YET HE FAILED EVEN TO WORK ON A THREE KM STRETCH BEHIND FINANCE BANK TO KAZOMBA WHEN HE COMMISSIONED IT BEFOR ELECTIONS? IF HE CAN COME AND SEE WITH HIS READING CLASSES THE RAOD HE COMMISSIONED I WOULD BE THE MOST HAPPIEST WOMAN,

  39. Lungu and PF corruption and their Chinese looters are responsible for this. Useless Lungu has continued to loot from Zambia, while leaving Zambia in heavy debts from the Chinese. Watch those cheap stadiums starts to cripple down. If its made in China or its Chinese, then it won’t last, period. Chinese are the masters of Gong’a items so this should be a surprise, you get what you pay for.

  40. Stealing public funds. That’s why the debt LeVel will keep rising. Govt will borrow to repair those damages.

  41. Ba Mushota a road will have more than 10 years lifespan only when construction standards are followed. Now from the picture above it shows that there is no drainage system. How do you expect the road to last?

  42. If all the roads in Lusaka and CB province must have potholes in order that voters see the need for change in 2021, then so be it. Stated another way, this is great news. Keep it up LT.

  43. This thing has to do with poor planning of infrastructure! Look at the “passage” that was converted to be a road! It is almost unthinkable that this passage could be made into a road! It is too narrow to! It has no sides to be made into drainages and walkways! Second, you are aware that Lusaka requires very deep drainage system because of the bedrock that is close to the surface! Engineers? Town Planners? MPs? Ministers? All are under qualified and must be fired!

  44. ONLY IN ZAMBIA where someone whose reign of terror was for all to see in the MMD and then becomes HONORABLE. Very laughable!!!!!

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