Kabwe Central Mp-Tutwa Ngulube and Kasama-central Mp-Kelvin Sampa at the PF-interactive Forum

Ruling PF Legal Counsel Tutwa Ngulube says the debate on President Edgar Lungu candidature for the 2021 elections is unnecessary.

In a statement, Mr Ngulube who is also Kabwe Central M.P said it is too early to start having such a debate.

“Ladies and gentlemen, colleagues in the party and media institutions. I wish to take a professional stance over this matter. I have heard several discussions over who the PF Presidential candidate is for 2021 with Hon. Kambwili and Hon Kampyongo taking very strong positions over the matter,” he said.

“As a senior member of the party I wish to advise that both Honourable members are my colleagues in Parliament and know the channels to be employed over this matter.”

Mr Ngulube said if senior members openly differ in the media, they risk confusing the grassroot and will scare away new members.

“This debate for now is unnecessary and has the potential of detracting His Excellency the president from delivering the much needed development in kabwe central where all the roads need attention,” he said.

“Lastly I urge all the parties to exercise maximum restraint in responding to queries over this matter and allow the president to enjoy his tenure without pressure from anywhere,” he added.

He said, “As the lawyer who was in charge of the same dispute in November 2014 and who was very instrumental in restoring the sanctity of the PF constitution I find that its too early for people to differ over this matter.”

Mr Ngulube said the party must impose sanctions on people openly debating this matter and must refer to the central committee anyone who does not heed President Lungu’s previous directives that all the party must concentrate on delivering development and recruiting new members as opposed to bickering.

“Those early endorsements are unnecessary right now as we don’t have elections this year. We still have to wait for a time when party campaigns will be opened.”

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53 COMMENTS

    • I dont like the way Kambwili has been treated – he has the right to air out his views.

      I also agree with most of your points on following channel to avoid confusion.

      In the end PF is the most democratic party in southern africa.

      UPND, for them its a taboo to talk about changing president – its always HH. I here he will attempt to stand in jail in 2021

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    • EL is not eligible. No matter how many times you say he will stand it will not change the reality.

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    • Thank you LT for clearing the typos. Please employ a proofreader to go through the articles before they are published. A simple error distorts a whole article. Be very careful with figures as they have no lines in between.

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    • But it’s Edgar himself who like discussing 2021, that’s the only story at state house.
      Kampyongo for president.

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    • I agree 100% with Tutwa Ngulube. How do you begin to discuss Edgar Lungu’s 2021 candidacy now and take a definite position when the candidate has another four years in which he still has to prove himself that he is worthy of the ultimate prize (the PF Presidency)? It is important to avoid putting the cart before the horse.

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    • The right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing.
      Too many spokespersons in PF, make no mistake to call that democracy. NOPE!. It is simply an indicator of lack of leadership. This simply shows a lack of communication within PF. This topic is not worth further comment !!! NOTE THAT this whole discussion around ECL candidacy is nothing else than to influence public opinion which will also impact court decision on ECL eligibility for 2021. Otherwise, how do you explain the ancient among the PF, and ECL himself? BTW, if I am not mistaken, ECL was the first one to proclaim his eligibility for 2021, where was Tutwa Ngulube, why didn’t he advise his boss then?

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    • For once Tutwa has stopped behaving like a cadre, but with a trained UNZA brain. This good and it is what we want guys. Mwilatusebanya ifwe abanenu as former Monks..Not that Kampyongo thing. One would mistake Kapyongo for a diploma holder, nayo yaku Matero!! Silly Chap!

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    • The point is, it is still 2017, not 2018, neither is it 2019, nor yet 2020, but 2017; all of a sudden the talk has shifted to 2021 – who will be PF’s presidential candidate then? How much of sense does that make – to look that far ahead and attempt to cross bridges not yet under construction, for which there is not even an architectural design?

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    • pf is full of lazy people.Instead of working, they are busy discussing and planning for the 2021 elections.they are afraid of losing because they what will happen to them.they have stolen a lot from us poor Zambians…

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    • As I have always said, Tutwa’s statement is just a tip of the iceberg. What lies ahead in the PF over the candidate is fearsome. I am actually seeing even assassinations because the UPND will not be there to be blamed as always is the case. This is obviously ‘Dr’Kambwili vs ‘President’ E C Lungu. Even with the warning that Tutwa has given won’t shut PF members from washing their linen in public, that I can assure you. Wait until the so-called Jerabos show their inclination on either CK or ECL, which I think they will go for CK.

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    • Theirs Never peace in the Devils camp! Squabbles and disagreements are the order of the day by nature.
      If not UPND, they are attacking each other.

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    • IN MY VIEW, ITHINK THE ZAMBIAN PRESIDENCY SHOULD BE ROUND-ROBIN LIKE IN TANZANIA. IN TANZANIA, WHEN THIS TERM IS FOR MAGUFULI WHO COMES FROM MAINLAND TANGANYIKA FOR EXAMPLE, THE FOLLOWING TERM WILL BE FOR MR. B WHO HAILS FROM ZANZIBAR. LIKEWISE, ZAMBIA MUST ADOPT THIS SYSTEM VIA ITS CONSTITUTION. THE ZAMBIAN PRESIDENCY MUST BE SHARED AMONG ZAMBIAN TRIBES. GOD DID NOT CREATE A DULL TRIBE SO EACH TRIBE IN ZAMBIA IS ABLE TO PRODUCE A PERSON CAPABLE OF RUNNING THIS COUTRY….

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    • …(contd).. .SO IF IT WILL TAKE ONE TRIBE YEARS TO ASCEND TO THE PRESIDENCY, SO BE IT AS LONG AS WE ARE AT PEACE WITH OURSELVES.

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  1. There is no money to loot and give each other corrupt road contracts, what else do you want them to do. ???

    Worse still these pesky citizens are petitioning IMF to delay the cash money because they think democracy is under attack.

    They need money in their pockets to sonta and do dunnna reverse

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    • Truthfully speaking, PF can only bounce back in 2021 if ECL is the presidential candidate. Try putting a bemba candidate for the PF in 2021 and see how easterners will abandon PF en masse. Lest we conveniently forget our recent history; easterners only joined PF (and voted for PF) in 2015 when ECL became the PF candidate and the KING MAKER RB backed him. In 2011, Eastern province was with MMD while Western province was with PF. But after Sata won, of course typical of a tribalist, he sought to instal bemba hegemony/supremacy in Zambia (to the extend that he created 35 new districts and filled them up with ONLY bemba civil servants and only bembas could be given positions in Diplomatic service – AMONG MANY OF THE SATA-SINS). So when Sata died, ALL non-bembas provinces including eastern…

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    • CONTD…. So when Sata died, ALL non-bembas provinces including eastern province said “no more bemba president, these people are too selfish”. So PF decided to field a non-bemba candidate ECL, and RB then convinced eastern to back their son ECL. If PF had fielded a bemba candidate in 2015, they would have lost hands down. Already 5 provinces are under UPND (SP, WP, NWP, Lusaka province -minus lusaka district; and central province -minus kabwe and mkushi districts). So if you love PF, support ECL’s candidacy. Ok we can now go back to NOT TALKING ABOUT ECL’S CANDIDACY

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  2. Hope your counsel shall be taken by your fellow PF officials… I fear that your PF official has developed a satiable appetite to respond to everything people say… It is difficult to advise your PF officials. Everyone wants to show that he is relevant and hence speak unnecessary….
    Remember My advice to you Tutwa in the Supreme court buildings where I told you to behave honorable since you have elected MP… The attire and manner of talking before the people… However , your utterances in national assembly leaves much to be desired.. I advised you again when we met in Livingstone….
    Your colleagues in PF watches you in PF and may ask if you are the right person to advice them.
    Remember, SG Mwila disown you in representing the party because you represented Mazhandu case in…

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  3. Hope your counsel shall be taken by your fellow PF officials… I fear that your PF official has developed a satiable appetite to respond to everything people say… It is difficult to advise your PF officials. Everyone wants to show that he is relevant and hence speak unnecessary….
    Remember My advice to you Tutwa in the Supreme court buildings where I told you to behave honorable since you have elected MP… The attire and manner of talking before the people… However , your utterances in national assembly leaves much to be desired.. I advised you again when we met in Livingstone….
    Your colleagues in PF watches you in PF and may ask if you are the right person to advice them.
    Remember, SG Mwila disowned you in representing the party because you represented Mazhandu case…

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  4. Remember, SG Mwila disown you in representing the party because you represented Mazhandu case in RATSA tribunal. Moreover your appearance with Kelvin Sampa who has proposed a private member’s bill for the splitting of LAZ and your association with Fube Bwalya who also demanded Linda Kasonde executive removed leaves a big question mark on your standing as professional advisor…

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  5. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHO STANDS IN 2021, WHAT MATTERS IS BEING ABLE TO DELIVER. THIS IS WHERE THE CONCENTRATION SHOULD BE INSTEAD OF PRE-OCCUPYING YOURSELVES WITH WHO QUALIFIES, WHO DOES NOT QUALIFY AT THIS POINT

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  6. It’s like you meet a girl for the 1st time & start dating her, then the next day you tell her you want to marry her. Only a stup!d girl will tell you YES.

    Less than 1 year in office is premature to start debating lungu’s wamu-yayaya dictatorship when he does NOT even qualify to stand a 3rd Term according to the new constitution.

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  7. Ngulube, THIS TALK OF LUNGU AS SOLE CANDIDATE CAME FROM DAVIES MWILA and MUMBI PHIRI! Better tell them directly since they are the ones boring us with this nonsense! WHO WANTS LUNGU TO BE PRESIDENT AGAING APART FROM THOSE BENEFITING FINANCIALLY!!

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  8. Edgar had duty to stop the debate. If he is silent then there is a big problem. As a responsible president,Edgar should tell people (his government ) to work.

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  9. Ba General secretary and Ba Kampyonga please stop the issue of 2021 it just bring confusion. When time comes let people stand as party President and will decide who to vote. Please let us focus on development now . let’s fulfil the promises .

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  10. Since the demise of its founder, the late president Michael Sata, PF has been embroiled in a power struggle. It has been on-going. It is still on-going. It’s what is uppermost on their minds, not the delivery of any service to the public.

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  11. I’ve never approved of speech from Tutwa Ngulube save his interaction with the electorate if Kabwe Central, however he has spoken as an intelligent person this time and should be commended. Am expecting other senior and junior members of PF to start telling him off by end of the day..

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  12. At least in PF you can even debate who is going to be the candidate in 2021, manje mu ma paty yenangu kaya mwe, olo muntu aluza ma elections yambili maningi there is no debate about the leadership!

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  13. I support PF but don’t support Davis Mwila and Kapyongo.Kambwili was right.Let us not bring confusion in the name of bootliking the president.The constitution doesn’t allow Lungu to stand period.We love Lungu but we need to find a candidate whom people will choose.Ba Kapyongo should relax and stop being childish.Tutwa Ngulube is right.There is nothing wrong Kambwili said.ichongo ba kapyongo and Mwila.We want PF peace in PF.Maybe ba Kampyongo thinks he can be a president.Awe we takanyeni baane.

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  14. This is Lungu’s Plan of saying to the Nation: “Forget about the 2016 Election and the Petition Hearing. Recognize me as a Legitimate President or else I will punish u” . This message is directed to the Petitioners and UPND Members and supporters especially. Lungu is conveying a mrssage to the Nation that 2016 Elections are over and he will Not entertain the thinking that Petition will ever be heard becoz he knows Hearing the Petition will derail his Presidency. He wants to pysche the Nation into thinking that the 2016 Elections are over and the Petitioners should focus on 2021 and forget about the 2016 Elections. If the Petitioners accepted this then come 2021 Lungu will have a free Ride and Rig the 2021 Election in the same way as he did in 2016.If this happens then there is No point…

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  15. Only in Zambia, do we allow Politiicans to talk about elections in 4 yours time…imagine Trump talking elections now…they would grill him alive.
    Zambians wake up from your docility for once!!

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    • Its funny how Zambians were posting insults on Peter Drury’s page for his comments on Zambia’s win against Germany but are mute when it comes to issues that matter. I counted 2500 comments some in local languages.

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  16. Have they given underfive his wish to start treason hearing yesterday? Or he has to wait until 12 June for Principal Magistrate to officially refer him to High court?…. Poor boy, scheming against any president or blocking his motorcade is not taken lightly by the laws of any country. Why do you think that Mmusi Maimane or N.omsa of SA have not blocked Zuma’s motorcade?

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  17. By tge way, what is underfive and his donkeys fighting for now? From “hearing” a dead petition to fighting for his release to fighting his case in court?

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  18. Ba UPNDonkeys, have priorities! Nga in petition concentrate on petition and let HH rot in jail for his treason.

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  19. Tutwa is saying that there are too many bootlickers who are too comfortable talking trash and not working

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  20. Comment:
    Problem with you bwana Tutwa is you are erratic.
    No wonder ECL cannot entrust you with ministerial position. You are prone to let everybody down.

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  21. Not necessary at all! It’s true President Lungu should be able to enjoy his tenure. For sure, we want him back.

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  22. Lungu is the one who started this debate. I guess he is the one encouraging his stooges also.

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  23. Lungu must be expelled from our party. Also the one who likes stoning planes carrying our colleagues from the opposition in Shiwangandu every election year must be questioned

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  24. Many of us Zambians have no brains; instead of talking about development and human rights; we’re talking about 2021 for Lungu when we have just had sham elections; Lungu is behind his 3 term bid

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  25. I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT PF TALKS ABOUT WHO THEIR NEXT LEADER IN 2021 SHOULD BE. IN FACT IT IS TOO LATE. THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS A LONG TIME AGO. OF COURSE IT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED AS AN IN-HOUSE BUSINESS. NOT IN PUBLIC THE WAY THEY ARE DOING IT. PEOPLE SHOULD REMEMBER HOW PF EMBROILED ITSELF WITH SUCCESSION WRANGLES WHEN SATA DIED. WE DONT WANT THAT AGAIN. LET THEM COME UP WITH A CLEAR ROAD-MAP ON WHO AND HOW THE CANDIDATE FOR 2021 SHALL BE PICKED. THEN THEY CAN PUT THIS MATTER TO REST. OTHERWISE IGNORING IT WILL NOT HELP. OF COURSE BEING PREOCCUPIED WITH IT WILL BE AN UNNECESSARY DISTRACTION TOO.

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  26. We need a new leader like Magufuli of TZ. HH meets the qualities of a leader we need. Kaizer Zulu with all these scandals would have been fired a long time ago under Mwanawasa. Any some one told us had no vision be we went ahead and gave him a vote.

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