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PF has not set conditions any for dialogue except recognition of President Lungu-Mwila

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Patriotic Front Secretary General Mr. Davies Mwila
Patriotic Front Secretary General Mr. Davies Mwila
The Patriotic Front has reaffirmed its commitment to national dialogue saying the Zambia Center for Inter Party Dialogue(ZCID) must be given space to spearhead the process.

PF Secretary General Davies Mwila said that the Patriotic Front has not set any conditions for the dialogue except to demand for the recognition of President Edgar Lungu as republican President.

Mr. Mwila told ZNBC News that ZCID has since written to political parties to suggest dates for a summit of political party leaders which will take place next year.

Mr. Mwila also announced that no PF officials apart from President Edgar Lungu and Vice President Inonge Wina have been allowed to comment on the dialogue process so as to allow the ZCID conduct its work diligently. Mr. Mwila said commenting on the dialogue by anyone below him might jeopardize the efforts of ZCID. Mr Mwila also praised the efforts of the office of the Commonwealth for helping to facilitate dialogue.

Yesterday, the United Party for National Development (UPND) rejected PF’s demand that the recognition of President Edgar Lungu as the Head of State is non-negotiable by and for those who may wish to participate in the pending dialogue process.

UPND secretary-general, Stephen Katuka said that PF could set the rules of engagement in the proposed dialogue because they were just a participant in the process like any other stakeholder.

Mr Katuka said that the conditions to the proposed dialogue could not be set by one political party as all were mere participants, adding that it was those who were charged with the mandate to arbitrate through the process who could set the rules of engagement for the proposed dialogue.

Mr Katuka challenged other players to think about what would happen if the UPND also decided to set its own conditions for the dialogue to take place.

“This dialogue is not about Hakainde or Edgar Lungu, it is about the future of this country not individuals. The conditions must not be set by one party, it is those chosen to arbitrate who should tell us what to do and what not to do. Who is PF to tell us what to do?

“The rules of engagement must be set by those who are arbitrating, those who are calling for this dialogue. I don’t know what PF thinks, it’s like us saying first there must be this,” Mr Katuka said.

47 COMMENTS

  1. Why is PF even bothered by this and offer it a pre-condition for dialogue when President Lungu is already discharging the functions of President of Zambia.

    • This man also Davis Mwila needs to be fired…what dialogue and with who?…..We have a democratically elected President Edgar Lungu….Lets move on…our next stop is 2021and as for now lets work on creating jobs for our youth….

      @Spaka like lilo
      I wanted to engage you 1 on1 but Unfortunately my Vacation ends today and starting from Tomorrow i wont have much time to be on the computer and I will be working throughout the holidays…..plus my phone is old school….so wapusuka….Katondo Boys and the Boostele team will be on LT in December 2020

      Merry Christmas

      2021 vote PF ( Edgar)

      I thank you

      P:S….i Like HH he is a good man…he is a good person but he needs to talk to his followers…

    • PF is scared, period. Why in the world should election results take more than 24 hours with about 3 million voters? That’s absurd to say the least. Too much rigging in Zambia. We need to clear this dirt. That’s whatPFis scared of; losing because they are not popular and they haven’t since MCS

    • But this PF secretary why keep saying same shiit. PF has a retarded people.
      HH always accept that Lungu is one who arrested him. If EDGAR was civilian, how could he order arrest and pardon of HH?

    • This is inter party dialogue. Only political party leaders are invited in that capacity. I repeat people are invited in their party leadership capacity. So everyone including, Miles Sampa, recognises ECL as PF president. The dialogue is about political parties abusing state machinery when they ascend to power and political parties’ election conduct. This dialogue is not between GRZ and political parties.

    • Recognition of ECL can only be demanded under court order. An individual or in interested party cannot demand or command another citizen to recognize another. Only courts, I.e. the Judiciary can order or demand recognition of a sitting president. So far, the courts have not made any ruling to the effect that ECL should duly hold the instruments of power. Even the CJ declained.

    • If Lungu is a genuine and legitimate Republican President why is he demanding to be recognised? He knows that he stole the 2016 Elections and he is illegitimate. No Petition Hearing No Recognition. Let the Koswe Mumpoto President stew in illegitimacy. When eventually Lungu leaves Power and his immunity ceases he will face the music.Mulandu tauboli.

    • This f00l Mwila what level of education does he have? Doesn’t he understand that demanding Illegal president Lungu ‘s recognition amounts to setting conditions at the time when issues to do with the petition are still pending in PF courts.

      PF is dead scared that it can never win elections if the political playing field is levelled as demanded by UPND .

      PF is full of id10ts with shrivelled brains.

    • Mshotah December 22, 2017 at 12:51 pm
      Swedish governments (Richer than Zambia, one of the richest countries in the world) buys a customized all terrain ambulance with life support accessories at $52 550
      Zambia government (Very Poor…one of the poorest in the world) buys the same ambulance at $288,000. GRZ is buying 1 ambulance for the price of 4 ambulances.
      We have thieves for leaders.
      I hope you can see the reason why we will never develop, we will forever be a poor country.

  2. UPND has not been thinking with its head on the matter. Now, like in the past, they find themselves in an awkward position because whether they like it or not, ECL will participate in the dialogue process both as PF and

    • This dialogue idi.ocity should be focussed on improving election conditions for 2021 to avoid rigging.
      If the participant will have that in mind, then the point of acknowledging ECL as president by UPND becomes irrelevant. As Zambians we are tired of such circus, high time politicians put the interest of Zambians in the first place. All we want are fair conditions so that we are able to rightly elect a leader that we want. Either HH or ECL, that doesn’t matter, for as long as that person is fairly elected without any circus such as we witnessed. Election results counting should be transparent… announced within 24hrs after the closure of elections. By now politician should be concerned with efficient way, get conditions in place for ballots to be printed in Zambia, that is what…

  3. UPND has not been thinking with its head on the matter. Now, like in the past, they find themselves in an awkward position because whether they like it or not, ECL will participate in the dialogue process both as PF and Republican President.

    Until HH and UPND begin to think level headedly, they will be exposed as the obstacle to peace and dialogue in Zambia.

    • Its an issue for all political parties, Iwe @Asegai
      Stop being myopic and thinking in political parties silos. Wake up you Zambians, what is wrong with you people, kanshi?
      its UPND…here……PF…there….bla…blaa.

  4. DIALOGUE ON WHAT???? WE ARE IN POWER AS ELECTED LEADERS OF ZAMBIA. DIALOGUE SHOULD BE WITH ELECTORATE. GO AND ASK THEM AS WHY THEY DID NOT VOTE FOR YOU. WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR POOR PERFORMANCE IN THE ELECTIONS.

    PLAN BETTER FOR 2021 OTHERWISE AGAIN YOU WILL REQUESTING FOR DIALOGUE WITH US.

  5. It’s stupid and illogical for PF to insist that Lungu’ s recognition as President is a precondition for Dialogue. Mila is full becoz he should know that “Recognition and hearing the Petition is like a Phone and a Sim Card ,without the other, you cannot communicate “.Do these Koswe Mumpotos get it?They are trying to scuttle the Dialogue. Lungu should just walk away from the Dialogue and accept the consequences.

  6. Pls can someone from the PF camp explain to me why it is so important to them that the opposition party UPND recognises Mr Edgar Chagwa Lungu as president before any dialogue can take place. Pls I don’t want insults from the PF Camp nor do I want a comment from UNDP supporter ……am neutral, just want an explanation from an intelligent person from the PF camp so that we can converse. Thank you

    • “…just want an explanation from an intelligent person from the PF camp…”

      Muchimba, you are asking for a miracle.

      Why setting the bar so high?

  7. Lungu and PF are scared of Dialogue. They have too many skeletons in the Cupboard after stealing the 2016 Elections. They have been blocking the Petition Hearing becoz the Court will show that Lungu lost the Election outright. To rig the Elections in 2021 Lungu doesn’t want ECZ, Concourt, ZAP etc to be reformed. The Lungu and his Chipante pantry govt has thoroughly discredited itself. They are Now so unpopular and would lose elections now big time. The Koswe Mumpoto govt is corrupt to the Core and is now under siege.

  8. My puzzle is how do you reason with a thief? Will the thief accept to come on the reasoning table knowing too well that he stole from you? This is a puzzle we have at hand.

  9. The dialogue is another form of the petition and the thief will reject the dialogue just like he rejected the petition at all cost, mark my words.

  10. Lyk sum1 has already said , thinking wth the head is cardinal. But we hav a lot of pipo who r thinking wth their mouths & hence the vulgar language. Dialogue is the way 4ward but 4 sure conditions cannot b set by a participating party. ECL is the President which eva way u luk @ this issue & those saying they don’t recognize him they r nothing but detractors of the intended gud . There4 let the facilitators giv guidance .

  11. UPND ARE JUST A BIG JOKE AND TIME WORSETORS… POLITICAL CRISIS ONLY HAPPENS IN THEIR THICK HEADS.. ZAMBIAN WE HAVE MOVED ON, AND AS MATTER OF FACT WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTIONS SO THAT WE EMBARRASS YOUR HH AGAIN…
    You were beaten clean, Bemba say Uwawa tabula kabepesho… I WOULD RATHER EVEN VOTE FOR MULYOKELA THAN TRIBALIST SMART MAKETULA HH.

    • Why we are entering into this dialogue process is because of a conviction by those who brought about this dialogue that there is something wrong with the way we’re running our political affairs. We’ve all agreed to dialogue, therefore, the ball is now in the court of the conveners of the process. Parties to this process cannot start arguing their case outside the court.

  12. Lungu and PF are scared of the Commonwealth mediated Dialogue. They are trying to scuttle the Dialogue process by introducing preconditions. Lungu and PF are afraid of walking away from the Dialogue Process. They are creating lame excuses to avoid Dialogue. Lungu and PF are not behaving like genuine Winners of the 2016 Elections. They are damn scared that Dialogue will reveal how they stole the Elections. They don’t want the Electoral Institutions to be reformed so that they can rig the 2021 Elections as well. Lungu and PF cannot veto the Dialogue Process . The Petition and Recognition are One and the same thing. Lungu cannot seek Recognition as a Republican President without first hearing the Petition. As HH said Recognition and the…

  13. But, UPND is disputing the election of Edgar in the Courts of Law. Why should they drop their Causes for Justice? Actually, Courts do encourage parties to Causes to dialogue out side the Courts. Courts do not demand the withdrawal of Cases before out-of-Court Settlements. Why should PF demand for the Challenged legitimacy of Lungu Challenge in Courts before any dialogue can take place? UPND are Challenging the legitimacy of Lungu as Republican President, and not as a PF President after all, so why the more fuss?

  14. What is it that this HH wants to “share” with the President and his team?
    1. His bitterness having been Knocked out in round 1 of the 2016 Elections
    2. His bitterness over the arrest for misbehaving by obstructing the smooth flow of the President’s escort.
    3. The bitterness because the PF may qualify all the campaign promises and leave no tangible room for criticism.
    Tell the people the priceless good plan that you took abroad that earned you the billions, not that the good roads are leading to poverty. The GRZ is already doing the necessary for the poor of the poor. Poor is relative!

  15. At the rate the PF project is undoing itself throw plunder of national resources, thieving, gagging the press it will just fall apart. A power shift from this corrupt government has already happened in the universe! Lets sit and watch the future unfold and PF is not in that frame.

  16. TOO MUCH RUBISH POSTING HERE, FIRST THE PETITION MUST BER HEARD. WE ALL WANT TO KNOW HOW THE RIGGING PROCESS HAPPENED, SO THAT IT NEVER COME AGAIN. VIVA RIGHT TO BE HEARD IS IN THE CONSTITUTION. THEN WE CAME DIALOGUE.

  17. Ba Kasaka kwena. Your supreme leader was giving the Lundazi scenario as an example for his so called rigging claims. How stupid would have the whole ECZ been to rig in such a careless manner. People are very careful more so with figures when cheating. That which happened in Lundazi was genuine mistake.

  18. Does Mwila understand what constitutes a condition?, let alone the entire PF leadership, do they know what their PF secretary general is throwing to the public domain when he states ‘recognition of president’ as precursor for dialogue?. This may reflect how incompetent the entire PF has been ever since they assumed government.

  19. Grow up, or you may soon be compelled to dress up like adults, sit at a round table and talk – the moderator being an independent overseer.

  20. Again i comment, nowhere in the laws/ constitution does it say that a president has to be recognised .
    Mwiila when you show where it says at law a president must be recognised then you might be on steadier ground.
    Is it because the VOTERS didnt recognize ypur credentials when you weren’t elected at 2016 elections.
    The law said that MPs had to stand down and not be paid when parliament was dissolved, the CONCOURT recognized the LAW

  21. How do UPND, in their narrowest thinking expect to dialogue with a directionless Chipatepante panted or Chimbwi without a plan except in stealing votes!

    Why dialogue? Uupamfiwe eulwa ne chibi? €_

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