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Wednesday, January 29, 2020

We can not have political parties that are not Democratic-Given Lubinda

Headlines We can not have political parties that are not Democratic-Given Lubinda

Justice Minister Given Lubinda
Justice Minister Given Lubinda

JUSTICE Minister Given Lubinda says he shal present the political party’s bill in the next sitting of parliament which is aimed at inculcating democracy in all political parties in the country.

And Mr Lubinda says for democracy to thrive at national level it must visibly exist in the organizations that sponsor national leaders.

Speaking in parliament yesterday, Mr Lubinda who is also Kabwata Member Of Parliament wondered how a named political party, in apparent Reference to UPND, has continued to participate in the growth of national democary when the party has not held intraparty elections since 2005.

“Madam (Speaker), we shall be coming next sitting with political party’s bill to make sure we entreach democracy in our political parties,” Mr Lubinda said.

“There must be democracy in political parties, we can not have political parties that are not Democratic.”

Meanwhile, Lubinda, in demonstrating how undemocratic UPND has been, disclosed that he was the last legitimately elected National Chairperson For Information and Publicity in UPND.

“For the sake of the record, madam speaker, I happen to be the last legitimately elected chairperson for information and publicity in the party called United Party for National Development,” confessed Mr. Lubinda

” To date, Madam Speaker, I have not been replaced since 2005, check the records for elections, it will show that Given Lubinda sometimes called Zayelo is chairman for information for UPND, surely how can that be?.”

Justice Minister revealed that there was wide consultations made before coming up with the Political Party Bill.

The political party bill will cure a number of undemocratic tendencies among which includes the fielding of the same losing political leader without subjecting them to intraparty elections.

And Mr Lubinda has stated that the lives of Zambians were in safe hands under the leadership of President Edgar Lungu adding that tampering with the authority of his goverment was an exercise purely out of immorality.

The Minister appealed to UPND MPs to reflect during parliament’s recess on what it is they intend to do for the country and concentrate on that and keep away from calling everybody corrupt except themselves.

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66 COMMENTS

    • Koswe randomly appears from a hole with a weird statement, He’s not even a lawyer, he’s from NRDC which his fellow Koswes have sold or are about to sell.

    • Zayelo has a point. He is still UPND chairman for information, trenching in PF. So why these PF have sleepless nights about Kambwili belonging to NDC as consultant? Why are they pushing Kalaba out?
      PF is showing undemocratic
      UPND is democratic, still allows its members like Lubinda to be ministers in whatever government they want, Lubinda is free to vote with UPND.

    • PF is panicking over the motion to impeach lawyer Lungu who quoted the law wrongly and asked ministers to remain in office to plunder resources. Zayelo is now trying underhand methods.

    • Analyser – He is has a Diploma in Agricultural Science but LAMENTABLY FAILED at Ministry Of Agriculture…how I wish Wnyter Kabimba was still SG to put him in place hiding behind the counter at his small bottle store. Dull Lazy Lungu is the default Justice Minister.

    • Blantantly put, why has UPND become allergic to intra-party democracy since the death of Kambela Mazoka? In over 13 years now, HH has lamentably failed to sanitize himself or indeed the party from an enduring stigma and spirit of those that planted him in as a preserver of tribal causes. The tunnel vision of tribal impis has continued. Sadly he has just entrenched himself without conscience as a sectarian leader since they shamelessly chased Patrick Chisanga, Sikota and Sichinga. No elections but one man handpicking officials system for 13 straight years and still counting. It’s as if ni masuku. Until democratic values are forced on party system, Zambians can not afford risking their democratic Governance Systems.

    • Voestsek! Exactly any sensible Zambian will know that the so called democracy in political parties is fake! If Sata were alive there would have been no change in presidency of the PF and neither would there have been competitive contestatio Bo Lubinda tell this to your grandchildren I am fed up with this pretentiousness in Zambia really tired and some numb skulls will support this…fact is there is no democratic party in Zambia in the real sense of it

    • This ain’t justice! Ba Lubinda you are Chris the Hippo. Cos this is pure hypocrisy. Democracy guarantees freedom of association so why do you want to censor the groups we want to associate in? Its like saying Zambia has freedom of speech yet you tell Deadnbc journalists what to report on because you own it

  1. Could it be that Lubinda wants to claim his post in UPND that the polical fortunes in PF are dwindled? OR is it out of realisation that NO political party is democratic and that he may not have a fair showing ahead of 2021 on the PF TICKET?

    • And democracy is not only about going to the convention, cause confusion using cadres and bulldoze the elections. It is about doing the right thing even at the convention not what PF did in Kabwe. See where we are now. The so-called democratically elected leaders have no vision because they used cadres to earn it not that they are capable.

  2. Is that why you are targeting you estranged Brother Kambwili, after he openly challenged The Dear Humble leader Jona?
    How very democratic, especially that in challenging Jona, he was exercising his “Democratic right”
    We see Democracy in your actions Not Bootlicking Brown nosing Cadre talk & Hogwash ba Za -Yello!

  3. With due respect this statement about lack of intra party democracy in Upnd is hypocrisy on the party of Hon Lubinda. Pf has already said ELC is a sole candidate for the Pf presidency without being elected at the convention. Almost all MCCs in Pf are presidential appointees. The president, vice president, and SG of Pf were noted voted for at an elective convention. All people that have shown their desire to challenge Ecl at a properly competitive convention have been systematically removed from the party. We appeal to Hon Lubinda to serve the greater good of the people than personal and minority interests of the Pf leaders, who at the moment don’t even seem to be serving the interests of the party members. The four Pf members now facing aggravated robbery charges would not facing those…

  4. Lubinda, we cannot have political parties whose only scope is plundering Nation wealth.
    When are you dissolving Plunderers Federation?

  5. Cont………The four Pf members now facing aggravated robbery charges would not facing those charges if they did what they did to opposition party members. The reason they are facing those charges is because they challenged those in the collidors of power. What kind of democracy is that Hon Lubinda. Pf is actually very dangerously undemocratic, a Government that does not even respect court orders. This kind of talk does not give an impression that Pf is repentant. If lives of Zambians are in safe hands why don’t those hands stop Police and Pf cadre’s brutality against ordinary Zambians that are living in fear.

  6. I just hope the bill will have a clause that says members of parliament can change political parties without losing their sit and without going for a by-election. The current laws are intimidating, it’s why members can’t speak against their party and/or it’s leadership – this is in democratic.

  7. The Cult members spare no cost to paint the state as being undemocratic but just going through the blind followers statements on this page shows that the satanic tribal party has really hypnotized its followers!!
    They see NOTHING WRONG with what ALL NORMAL people are saying about the cult leadership’s failure to hold democratic elections!! The thing is the supreme leader of the cult ( UPND) is there at the pleasure of the dark lord himself and its only him who can move him…

    • @ Ben. Which bloggers are defending Upnd and why call people names instead of debating their statements, your resorting to name calling shows that you as an individual, you have no democratic credibility. And it’s people like you, who are contributing to the lose of popularity of the Pf. You seem to have no Points against the issues being raised.

    • @ ben, you are the blind follower, can you not see the mess your party has made of the country? no I suppose not as you are the maggot feeding off the misery of us Zambians. As for Given to table that bill in parliament, first of all what is so important that that must be tabled at the next sitting when the impeachment failed to be tabled? has it never crossed your mind that maybe the UPND members do want HH as their president? sort out the mess in your own party first.

    • @Ben: On Monday, over some drinks,some upnd supporters were saying Kambwili is being victimised. I asked them why he was fired as minister, they replied because he had presidential ambition. I told them Kambwili had blocked an ACC investigation and abused his ministerial position to do so, and this is the same case that is happening to him. THEY BLATANTLY REFUSED THIS. At that point I shifted to another table where football was being discussed as I realised that the upnd fanatics are so brainwashed they would worship and defend lies as long as it is from hh.

  8. The debate of who is the greatest footballer of all time in the history of football is a hot topic and ofcourse Cristiano Ronaldo and his arch rival Lio Messi pop up on a daily basis, just like Maradona and Pele made noise before them.

    The most depressing part of this discussion is whenever you bring up the Great Godfrey Ucar Chitalu, Even among Zambians, most people will easily dismiss your argument without even looking at facts. Maybe he is not the greatest player that ever played football but he is the greatest goalscorer of alltime, How? Numbers don’t lie and 116 goals a season is no small feat.

    Godfrey Chitalu was born on 22nd October 1947. The five time Zambian footballer of the year is widely regarded as the greatest Zambian player to have ever graced a football pitch and he…

    • Did you know that Godfrey Ucar Chitalu is the fifth world top scorer in international football ever with 79 goals. Christiano Ronaldo is on number 3 with 81 goals. He is above Pele who scored 75 goals and Ronaldo(Brazil). Messi is not even near Godfrey Chitalu in international goals. I hope this when remembering the Gabon Victims such statistics should be brought up. Time to mourn these heroes is over even their families should know that. What we should now be doing is celebrating their achievements in soccer and encourage their children to emulate their fathers passion in whatever they engage in be it academics, business or any other sport football included.

  9. @ the people….I am sorry for the language in my post. Not called for. I don’t speak for pf but just logic.
    As for the issues at hand the responses are more of an attack on what Lubinda said than defending the status quo.
    @ the people what is your take on the point raised by Lubinda ?
    Once again please forgive my language.

    • I’m impressed.
      Ofcourse Lubinda has raised some important issues. This bill would atleast stop the wamuyaya syndrome.

    • @ Ben. We accept your apology, to error is human. The statement of Honoutable Lubinda should have ended at encouraging and promoting democratic practices in all parties without singling out one particular party. These undemocratic tendencies are in all parties without exception. What he needs is to build consensus for the bill unlike making it look like this bill will targeted at a particular party. We are happy with the constitution amendment path that he announced earlier, because it seems all inclusive.

    • @ Ben. We accept your apology, to error is human. The statement of Honoutable Lubinda should have ended at encouraging and promoting democratic practices in all parties without singling out one particular party. These undemocratic tendencies are in all parties without exception. What he needs is to build consensus for the bill unlike making it look like this bill will targeted at a particular party. We are happy with the constitution amendment path that he announced earlier, because it seems all inclusive

  10. Please have respect for our leaders especially when they speak the truth. We all have a duty to safeguard our young democracy by preventing characters with the wamuyaya syndrome like HH. Surely being defeated 5 times can’t you realize that Zambians have rejected you. HH is enclosed in a cocoon of UPND popularity but is failing to measure himself on the broader spectrum of the whole Zambia like Mazoka did (M.H.S.R.I.P).

    • “…..We all have a duty to safeguard our young democracy by preventing….”

      Bal bla bla…..what of opposition members being hacked even in front of police ??

    • Democracy is about people choice. To ensure parties are democratic, all party positions must be electable and that actual credible elections do take place regularly. The people’s preferred candidate is their own choice & we must respect their choice. To imply that the law should help remove some credible candidates from participating is being undemocratic.

  11. What about Sata!!! Seek democracy in your own party. Address issues in your own home, before you try and tell your neighbor how to manage is home and family. Boneheads!!! Where’s that Chief Bonehead Mushota??? Has she popped.

  12. Imagine if these MPs all went to parliament with one goal only to make Zambia the best…I mean they have so much energy to waste when it comes to fixing each other and you wonder why we are wallowing in poverty. I bet you if you put them on minimum wage you would see how tirelessly they would work to improve things.
    We seriously need a new breed of leaders!!

    • Emotions Rule this House! What a joke of a Parliament! We should just do away with this party system of politics. MPs show allegiance to their party than their constituencies! Let the constituencies decide who represents them and let each province be governed semi autonomously by a Governor. Governors should have an upper Parliament to ratify all Laws passed by the lower house of MPs. The position of president should be that of a Federal one with lesser powers to stop the abuse we have seen since independence! We must review the governance system of this country before we all become irrelevant!

  13. Isn’t this a case of ‘Kolwe aleseka ichipato cha mubiye?’ How did ECL inherit the Presidency? As Minister of Justice, can you really say that Zambia is a democracy, when your government ignores the constitution and has encouraged vigilantes to mete our punishment to those with opposing views? Remember that just as it was no business of any party outsider how PF ran its business, it shouldn’t be your business how others do their business. It’s sad to see you behave in this manner because there’s now no chance you’ll ever be President.

  14. What was so democratic about the election of Lungu in Kabwe by his selected PF cadres? This so weired! PF will not rule for ever. This is bad legislation and should not supported. Political parties are clubs and they have their own rules. You do not design laws targeting one person. Chiluba did the same to KK. Zambians will never learn and they will spending hundreds of years wring the constitution. What a shame!!

  15. Emotions Rule this House! What a joke of a Parliament! We should just do away with this party system of politics. MPs show allegiance to their party than their constituencies! Let the constituencies decide who represents them and let each province be governed semi autonomously by a Governor. Governors should have an upper Parliament to ratify all Laws passed by the lower house of MPs. The position of president should be that of a Federal one with lesser powers to stop the abuse we have seen since independence! We must review the governance system of this country before we all become irrelevant!

  16. I now confirm that all UPND supporters are extremely useless. From their ranting and low and poor quality of reasoning and thinking, am certainly 100% sure that their families are under siege. They may and will continue to portray relative calmness in public but I can truly say it’s hell on earth in their homes. Edgar Lungu is way too far advanced and intelligent that they can’t just believe it. Claims without evidence is wishful thinking and only kills the hater slowly but sure.

    • If lungu is so advanced and intelligent, how come he lost his lisence to LAZ ???
      or LAZ blacklisted him ??

  17. That’s the problem with PF trying to control people’s lives and now other parties when they can’t even control themselves. It’s like the devil trying to control angels, the are so scared of the impeachment motion as they don’t even trust their own MPs. This bill will be there down fall

    • If these PF empty tins were serious with promoting democracy at Party level..they would simply put a motion for all party presidential candidates to undergo electrol vote at Party Convention before Presidential Elections…nothing like bootlickers adopting presidential candidates everything through secret ballot.

  18. How did we end up with this party in power???
    Those that voted for these lazy and selfish beings please step up and clean the floor.

    The stench of dullness, laziness and selfishness is too much to bear.

    • “The Minister appealed to UPND MPs to reflect during parliament’s recess on what it is they intend to do for the country and concentrate on that and keep away from calling everybody corrupt except themselves.”
      I think that answers your question.

  19. I said it here, and here we go with The Domino Effects I had advised the opposition to psych themselves for. This is just a start, go and grab lots of popcorn Bane!

  20. The lazy bum father of a tribalist bloggar must be shocked at what he begat. Was this son a child of the first wife or second? The child has serious issues of the heart! The lazy bum polygamist father did not show him love. If I were mother of the thug and I knew that it was going to be like this I could have done something about it!

  21. Ba Lubinda you are Chris the Hippo. Cos this is pure hypocrisy. Democracy guarantees freedom of association so why do you want to censor the groups we want to associate in? Its like saying Zambia has freedom of speech yet you set the rules for Deadnbc journalists to operate because you own it

  22. While I had rated Given Lubinda as a learned person,I now wish to state that he is just a fool not only that but an opportunist and so he must shut his mouth if he has nothing sense in his heard to talk about issues he does not know and leave it to others who the law and what is contained in the constuitition. No wonder people say every one its all praises for Edgar Lungu even nefyabupuba fyonse kula defenda PF na Chagwa

  23. I support it. Please you should have done it yesterday. Indeed you can have political parties which one person and making a lot of noise more than bigger ones. Ati ba Mulongoti and his Peoples Part. Ee sure go for a convention.

  24. Normal people understand that the UPND is a tribal party with a tribal agenda FULL STOP.
    BOTH Edgar Lungu and Given Lubinda left the UPND for the same reasons as Saboi Imboela and many other normal people.
    Parties and Presidents come and go.However,the way they come is crucial.
    UNIP,MMD,FDD,HP and PF have alot in common regarding leadership.
    UPND is the only party whose leadership is centered on tribe and a quota system.
    They become deaf when its pointed out to them.

  25. Charity begins at home and so democracy begins in the party we belong. Let’s begin by showing the Zambians how democratic we are in the party as an example of how we will lead the Zambians. Let’s not talk about democracy if we won’t practise it from where we coming from. Right

  26. Any bill and motion is welcome in pm as long they are constitutional and the important thing is results as well as who loughs at last , let’s play the game

  27. This is where leadership is lacking so painfully. So this Justice Minister could not actually have the decency to remind his former colleagues to correct their record and stop misrepresenting him as being an office-bearer on their records? Until it was convenient? Have you ever felt that deep sense of hurt when an entire playing field is full of amateurs or incompetents, on both sides of the playing teams!? This is it!

  28. The most important thing is to simply keep your house in order and let others run the affairs of their houses how they deem right. Their supporters will judge and deal with them. How do undemocratic opposition parties affect the mighty democratic PF anyway? If they opposition are undemocratic I’m sure it is a plus to the democratic ones. So bwana minister just mind your business in your democratic party.

  29. I bet Mr Zayelo has short memory. Let him go to PF’s archives on the ascendancy of president Lungs to PF presidency and nomination for PF presidential candidate. Pangaea, machetes, raising of hands…characterised those elections. Would he really say those are traits of a democratic party?

  30. I strongly urge Given Lubinda to include LIMITING THE TERMS OF MPs TO 2 TERMS in the political party’s bill which he wants to present to Parliament. We are also tired of recycled MPs who have been in Parliament for ages.

  31. Lungu, won, by showing of hands, was he democratically elected? NO, Sampa won. Also MPs, limit to 2 terms, so where are you Lubinda womanizers?
    You over stayed in office, pay the Government back.

  32. YEllow man is wrong here we know, after impeachment, you want 2021, to stand af PF President. Coz GoGo, is not standing.

  33. U guys in government just focus how u develop this country ,present real issue in paliament, because we are 200years behind development

  34. Lungu won by showing of pangas and threats to kill other candidates, is that democracy in PF?

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