The United Party for National Development (UPND) has accused the three church mother bodies namely the Council of Churches in Zambia,Evangelical Fellowship of Zambia and the Zambia Conference of Catholic Bishops of abandoning MMD faction leader Never Mumba during his incarceration.
UPND Vice President Geoffrey Mwamba says the three church organizations failed to give solidarity to Dr Mumba.
Mr Mwamba told Q-News that he is disappointed that the church abandoned Dr. Mumba in his hard times, when he is a clergy and former republican vice president.
He said it is high time the church stopped taking sides and handled certain matters fairly.
And Mr. Mwamba said he remains disappointed with the conviction of Dr Mumba by Magistrate David Simuusamba.
Meanwhile, MMD faction vice president Reverend Reuben Sambo has described Dr Mumba’s bail conditions as outrageous.
Reverend Sambo told Q-News that the bail conditions were harsh.
Dr Mumba has been granted a K30,000 cash bail pending appeal with two working sureties who will also have to pay K30,000 each.
Losers HaUPNDs!
GBM worry about maintaining your health after lap band surgery!
Nevers spat in God’s face but being greedy, he’s done.
Dr Geoffrey Mwamba, you can mislead some people sometimes but you can’t mislead all the people all the time. The church mother bodies have not abandoned Dr Mumba. Instead, it is Dr Mumba who abandoned the church in the same way Jonah of Nineveh fled from “the presence of the Lord”. Leave God out of your party politics.
NEVERS SEKWILA MUMBA HAS ABANDONED THE GOD.
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Extremely frivolous statement. Don’t drag the CHURCH in petty politics.
NEVERS SEKWILA MUMBA HAS ABANDONED GOD.
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Extremely frivolous statement. Don’t drag the CHURCH in petty politics.
Who abandoned who..i thought it was vice versa…Mumba abandoned the church and you know it Mr GBM
Any one agaist EL is leballed evil but the evil man EL who has eflicted untold missery on Zambia where by the middle class that was growing when mwanawasa left has disappered, debt of country up by 100% and hospitals are now death traps, no money in people`s pockets is left hinding in the hamble leader, By the time zambians will wake up it will be too late. Atleast G. Scott warned us that EL is the wrong person and no one listerened to him, Look what is happening now,
Taking that cash to court.
Is it non-refundable?
GBM, Nevers left the church and joined you. It is actually you people who sent him to LIE at ZNBC which has led him to jail. Just assist him with 30 pin to pay for bail and be careful because the High Court might increase the sentence for wasting court’s time. The chap is an unrepentant LAIR and you want the church to support that. I would have supported him if he has conceded that he made a mistake by LYING and will not do it again. But the man with your assistance is defiant. By the way GBM you are shrinking is it a sliming arrangement?
ART OF WAR- “To win a battle don not increase the number of your enemies”. Our friends are doing the complete opposite. No strategy whatsoever.
GBM – your worries are misplaced.
The Church mother bodies have not abandoned Dr. Mumba but it is the other way round. Dr. Mumba abandoned the church when he left the pulpit and joined politics – you can not expect sympathy after abandoning them. THE ONLY THING THE CHURCH CAN DO IS TO FORGIVE HIM FOR HIS ERATIC BEHAVIOUR; AND THE CHURCH HAS ALREADY FORGIVEN HIM.
Secondly the church is acting by the BOOK (the Holy Bible):
Give to Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar, and give to God what belongs to God. If Dr. Mumba has committed crimes then he must face the laws of the land. After his jail term Dr. Mumba should go back to church and ask for earnest forgiveness from the Almighty God.
The church does not offer solidarity to criminals but only prays for them to repent of their sins. The church did not tell Mumba to trespass. He is a senior citizen he should have known the consequences of his actions. No pity for him
The Church should not be dragged into useless politics by useless politicians
The church has been in politics since before Jesus Christ.
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Nevers just abandoned himself!
Ba GBM the church will not abandone Dr Mumba when he is doing church work and finds himself in trouble, but when he is doing politics its for fellow politicians to help him mwe fipuba mwe .
Non Partsain; that’s not what the Bible teaches at all. Jesus said I was in prison and you did not visit me. He did not specify what he did or whether he was guilty or not. If it was a PF member who was in trouble all the Bishops would have camped outside.
Let’s face it, GBM is right. The church is very partisan- PERIOD.
When Nevers formed the NCC he tried to dupe his colleagues in the christian community that he was forming a christian coalition and NOT a political party. The church mother bodies quickly saw through him and realised he was trying to use them to woo support for a political in the name of NCC and boycotted the launch of the party at Intercontinental Hotel. When he was exposed he came out openly and formed the NCC party. That was when Nevers ALIENATED HIMSELF from the church mother bodies, NOT NOW as GBM ignorantly states. The rest is history. One common characteristic between h.h and Nevers is that they are both too ambitious for power as in President of Zambia. Both had a chance to become President but both could not see beyond their noses and botched it. For h.h it was through the…
….. Both had a chance to become President but both could not see beyond their noses and botched it. For h.h it was through the proposed alliance with Michael Sata and for Nevers it was when Levy Mwanawasa appointed him vice president.
As we speak no church mother body has recovered sufficiently to trust Nevers. Nevers is just that a politician in upndeez and NOT a pastor or reverend so GBM dont drag the churches into Nevers’ self inflicted wies. It is h.h who is supposed to come to his rescue in time of need not the church which he does not respect.
Sharon is a nutcase ,a blogging crackhead .
NEVERS IS QUOTED AS SAYING, “JOINING POLITICS WOULD BE TANTAMOUNT TO A DEMOTION, I AM CALLED TO PREACH THE WORD OF GOD”.
Ba GBM, do you want the THREE church mothers bodies to be demoted and abandoned as well?
The problem is GMBs intellectual capability is in ICU, the man does NOT follow current affairs.
But he’s got a PhD
Money buys degrees BUT money can not buy BRAINS.
KIKIKIKIKIK….YABAAAAAAAAAAA…..PARANOID
HOW MANY PEOPLE AND ORGANISATION YOU ARE GOING TO ACCUSE AND BLAME FOR ANYTHING AND FOR NOTHING…..????
INNOCENT MADAM ROGAN OF UN …ECZ….CONCOURT….PRINTING OF BALLOT BOXES IN DUBAI…..GOVERNMENT PRINTERS……EMMANUEL MWAMBA…..NOW ITS THE THREE CHURCH MOTHER BODIES….
I said it that very soon they will start blaming everything and everyone.
These church mother bodies are not part part of any political parties. They comprise of individuals who have different opinions.
AT A PRESS BRIEFING THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS SAID: “EEH WE HAVE DECIDED TO RECALL A MR. COSMAS CHILESHE WHO IS.. WHO WAS PRESS ATTACHE TO WASHINGTON DC. DIPLOMATS ARE EXPECTED TO UPHOLD FAMILY VALUES BOTH IN THEIR PUBLIC AND PRIVATE LIFE. WE HAVE ASKED THE PERMANENT SECRETARY TO IMMEDIATELY…TO IMMEDIATELY DO A NOTE VERBALE TO WASHINGTON DC TO RECALL COSMAS CHILESHE AND HE WILL BE REPLACED IMMEDIATELY… WITHOUT WAITING. THE PRESIDENT IS VERY DISAPPOINTED WITH THE MANNER THAT AN OFFICIAL WHO WENT TO WASHINGTON DC IN A CARGO OF A DIPLOMAT TO GO AND START BEHAVING IN A MANNER THAT HE WAS BEHAVING TO ABANDON HIS FAMILY .. OUTSIDE HIS STATION. THAT BEHAVIOUR CANNOT BE CONDONED. HE COMES BACK IMMEDIATELY AND HE WILL BE REPLACED IMMEDIATELY. I AM SURE THAT WILL TEACH OTHER MEMBERS IN…
Meant party
HON. MINISTER, A NOTE VERBALE IS NOT SENT TO YOUR OWN MISSION. IT IS SENT TO A DIPLOMATIC MISSION ACCREDITED TO YOUR COUNTRY. WHAT YOU MEANT WAS A LETTER OF RECALL.
THE PERMANENT SECRETARY SHOULD ASSIST THE MINISTER TO BE CONVERSANT WITH ISSUES IN THE MINISTRY. HE SHOULD NOT BE LET TO PREPARE HIS OWN STATEMENTS. LET THE RESPECTIVE DESK DIRECTORS PREPARE TALKING NOTES OR STATEMENTS FOR HIM. BEFORE A PRESS BRIEFING OR MEETING WITH A DIGNITARY, THE MINISTER SHOULD BE PREPARED BY WAY OF A BRIEF ON THE SUBJECT MATTER.
IT IS THE COUNTRY THAT IS BEING EMBARRASSED.
This is what happens when you appoint wrong people without relevant experiences.
Munsha Kimbala
So who do you blame?Arnt those issues you raise supposed to be thought through by the appointing authority?Go to the parliament website and as you read through his credentials remember this the person who will represent you at important foras like UNGA.
Bail K30,000, two working sureties K30,000 each total K90,000. Very little, can be shared between GBM and H.h if you love Nevers that much ba upbdeez.
Kwena iyi party, ifinangwa fyeka fyeka ukufuma pamulu ukuya panshi! Abanensuba ku Chipata ati ni Vizende cacine mwe!
….thoughts from DR CM , the premises of judgement , which is apolitical , will be based on the good gospel of Matthews 25 vs 31-the end . I was hungry , I was naked ,I was in prison … hypocrisy is a vice
In that case we should accept that all those in our prisons have been abandoned by the the church mother body. We should not single out one person or a group of people. This shows that GBM thinks that himself and close associates are special and are not part of us the ordinary people.
Why is gbm losing weight at a speed equal to hh losing of elections.
GBM has got it wrong, the church can’t join Nevers in his childish escapades. What Nevers did had the potential to ignite strife. Emotions are high during the election period, a former Vice President can’t just storm ZNBC and do what Nevers did. ZNBC is a very sensitive institution, that’s the reason coup plotters always included it as one of the key institutions to take. If I were the judge, I could have made it 5yrs with hard labor to deter would be offenders.
Besides his church is against all main stream churches as antichrist.
Further, Nevers has lived a dishonest life. He lied about Sefuke, his roommate at Evelyn Hone to Christ for All Nations, and that’s how he got the scholarship to the US. Even when he was Veep, how did he relate with his support staff? He’s full of himself. He didn’t mind pulling 7 trolleys of goodies in Shoprite every week using Victory Ministries funds. Unfortunately for him, he’s growing old unrepentant. Now that he’s appealed the High Court will deal with him appropriately
But ifya bupuba fyena muleke.
Where will hatred take you sir?Just imagine the hatred you now demonstrate against Nervers being directed at you?You honestly want us to accept that Nervers deserves to be in prison?For a misdemeanor,a finable offence?Forget about whether he is actually guilty.Please there are more worthy causes you can pursue and learn to show love baba,how old are you?I hope this is not what you want your children to be like,or you dont mind them thinking like this?Fine now try to imagine someone hating your children the way you have shown you hate Nervers,would you be happy?Let love reign,if you are so stupid you dont mind the effect hatred may have on your family then better you just shut up .
How many people or organizations is UPND fighting besides PF? UN’s ROGAN now Church mother bodies. Can anyone on this platform help me understand this new strategy?
There is no strategy. It’s just foolishness. They are groping in the dark.
PF social media team busy posting things
What is the difference between Nevers and any other incarcerated fellow? Fat Albert do not drag the Church into stupid politics.
PF SOCIAL MEDIA GUYS ARE GOOD AT POSTING DISGRUNTLED COMMENTS WITHOUT USING THEIR BRAINS TO ARTICULATE WHAT IS IS GOING ON THE PLATFORM. IF OUR COUNTRY WILL HAVE TOO MUCH OF THE SAID TYPE OF CROOKS THEN WE ARE FINISHED AND IT WILL BE A STATE OF EMERGENCY.
I HAVE NEVER HEARD ANY OTHER GUYS DEBATE ISSUES ON THIS MEDIA POSITIVELY. IT IS UNFORTUNATLY GUYS TO HAVE YOU ALL BEING AS BEING FROM ONE LOADED HOUSE HOLD WITH UN EXPOSED EDUCATION. LET US USE THIS MEDIA FOR EDUCATING EACH OTHER GUYS. BE MATURE
How has the church taken sides in this case? That is the point of discussion!
The church cannot and should not be involved in senseless and immature politics of people taking law into their own hands. Mr. Nevers Mumba was a clergy man and a Republican vice president but that did not grant him the right to just go around telling lies and intimidating people to satisfy his ego. The church should be above all such nonsense. It is lack of understanding on the party of Godfrey Mwamba to even insinuate that the church is taking sides. Which sides is the church taking? This again highlights the calibre of this opposition vice president. It is this lack of understanding of issues that has dragged the Zambian politics into the mud. We need mature politicians not these illiterate politicians who do not know whether they are going or coming.
The church today has become a selective organ.
The hate from Tongas for smart Edgar is too much! This story above is about Nevers Mumba, why bring in Edgar? No matter how much hate you have for Edgar Lungu, on tribal lines it will not affect his winning in 2021, again! The suffering of Zambians has not been caused by Lungu, but by HH, Chiluba and their accomplices, for giving away this country’s wealth in terms of companies to foreigners at a song, hence satisfying their quest for richness, abandoning Zambians’ welfare! Lungu and PF are trying very hard to correct the wrongs UNIP and Kaunda, MMD and Chiluba created , this can only be achieved through development of the country’s infrastructure at all costs, hence rejuvenating economic activity, therefore more jobs, more money in the pocket/purse/wallet!
It’s because of the shallowness of the opposition leaders that forced Mmembe to form his own party. He could have easily joined Upnd, after all he had been campaigning for them since the death of Michael Sata. I’m during this time he must have discovered how hollow, shallow and agendaless they are. Of course PF is for obvious reasons.
Manganga, it looks like your are also a wrong person here. When you talk of hatred then you are bitter with some tribes. We do not want to talk about tribal issues because they dont take us anywhere. When you hate a tribe then you are out of your mind. Here is the church verses real issues.
Go back to the drawing Board and refute what is said on the ground.
Mind you, all issues raise and falls on Leadership. When you have poor leadership expect to have poor results.
Church leaders are not there to support wrongs but to change the wrong doers into right doers. What is right is that deed which brings a smile of joy on the face of the other. GBM cannot influence the church to stray because the church derives its direction from the bible. The man he is saying was abandoned is a liar who could not tame his temper and ended up in the mess he’s into. Had he not stormed the Premises in question he would have been very free to date. The same with HH and those acting wrongly on his behalf. Guys lets behave normally!
GBM should get it right that Church Mother Bodies is not for people with wrong political motives! Dr. Mumba was a well respected Pastor who commanded respect through his Bible teachings. A lot of people were on his side as a pastor. Due to love of earthly titles and wealth he traded off his Godly given title and respect for a political position that has now landed him in a chain of problems. He has gone further to join a group of people that WILL NEVER advise him correctly. Church Mother bodies are composed of credible women and men of God who do not support anything that come their way. First they analyze the context in which the matter is before they make any comment, that’s how a credible and wise person should be.