Minister of Justice Lubinda has said that the ruling Patriotic Front (PF) is more than ready to dislodge the impeachment motion if it makes it to the floor. Mr Lubinda said that if, in a very unlikely circumstance, the motion meets the admissibility rule, Patriotic Front is extremely ready to dislodge it with the contempt it deserves in one parliament seating.
Mr Lubinda further stated that no single PF member of parliament could be lured with leaves of dollars to impeach President Lungu adding that the lawmakers from the ruling party are in parliament are for something larger than pieces of silver.
Speaking to Journalists, Sunday, during the PF interactive Forum, Mr Lubinda warned UPND MPs that they will regret the day they entered parliament if the matter is brought up for debate
“The ruling of the deputy speaker was that they are still studying that matter and they will inform the mover of the motion as to when it will appear if at all it will. And I am using these words very carefully. If the motion does not meet the admissibility rule then it will go where it belongs, in the trash bin,” he said
“If it does meet the admissibility rule, it will come. Now if it does come. I can assure you that the Patriotic Front is very ready, extremely ready to dislodge it with contempt it deserves. We were ready from day one. And I can share with you a secret. There some amongst us who were eager, we wanted it as quickly as possible because we found it to be very juicy. I am one of those ready to debate it. Lest people are misled, we are not spending any time unnecessarily on that impeachment motion because we are more than equal to the task to dislodge it and we will do it within one seating of parliament. It will not even take hours. It won’t. They will regret the day they entered parliament”
Lubinda further explained that the determination of the day when a motion should be tabled is a preserve of the speaker after assessing whether or not the matter has met the basic requirement of the admissibility rule of parliament.
“Yes it met the threshold of one third because one third is 55. There were 58 signatures. There was talk about duplication of signatures, I will leave that aside.
As to why it wasn’t heard if you read the standing orders of parliament. It’s clear every member of parliament has a right to present a motion. And the standing order says one who wishes to present a motion for debate will give these (3) days notice and if a day happens to be Friday he will give 4days notice. And that the speaker May nominate the day on which the motion is to be heard,” Mr Lubinda Explained
“This means that you can not possibly say ‘Mr Speaker I want the motion to be heard on this particular day’ that is a preserve of the speaker. Secondly the speaker has the responsibility of ensuring that that motion meets the admissibility rules of parliament. There some matters that are not admissible in parliament. For example I can not go and present a motion in parliament to debate Mr. Sunday Chanda, a private citizen. That’s not admissible.
“Secondly, you can not go to parliament and present a motion or any debate for that matter on any matter that is active in the court of law. That is refered to as subjudice. You can not have to arms of government dealing with same matter at the same time. You can not have the judiciary adjudicating on a matter and parliament debating that matter.
“Thirdly, you can not present to parliament a motion that has already been settled by parliament. Unless you want to challenge the decision of parliament. If you want do so you have to put it as a motion to challenge the decision of the speaker.”
Zayelo
You and your pf constitional rapist are only loyal to jamerson and not the people that you now misrepresent.
Your confidence has dark arts written all over it.
I like his defiance.
He is right as well. This is going no where.
Thanks
BB2014,2016
Following what zayelo has articulated i can easily conclude that the motion wont even be tabled but will go straight to the trush bin. Hard luck hh and upnd. Your motion has fallen short of admissibility rules of Parliament. Sorry. Maybe try a coup de ta.
Bozo, the impeachment motion is going nowhere. PF might be misrepresenting us but that’s better than what the UP and DOWN is doing.
Why am I not surprised about this change of tone? First PF were confident that they would defeat the motion, now they have realized that they may lose. Sadly that’s the end of this motion because they will use dirty tricks like in the Pertition to block the impeachment. Where is democracy in Zambia? Anyway Lungu you can only do this for so long, your days are numbered mark my words.
@1.4
Where are you basing your simple analysis. Zayelo has talked about a parliamentary rule under which every motion is subjected to what about you. Counter him by quoting something atleast. You sound very under5.
Sad that Given Lubinda can’t be president of Zambia, just like Guy Scott. His father is Swedish, a volunteer, who left some Lozi woman pregnant, now his son is Minister of Justice. So impressive.
@1.5 a wise man once said NOTHING. I rest my case
Lubinda is simply an empty suit in that Ministry, are there no lawyers in PF…Lazy Lungu is the one who tells him what to do and we know what a terrible lawyer he is…Lubinda has a Diploma in Agricultural Science surely what would he know about laws or constitution. I thought this was a waste of time but the more PF write it off the more I want it tabled…as they have become too arrogant; they have no respect for the constitution and think Lazy Lungu is above it.
Za yellow, what does the constitution say? You’re a law maker who should respect the ruke of law not uku bwatabwata ata! Let’s see how you’ll defeat this montion. And for your own information, most pf MPs will stand with the people who voted for them. You and the so called EL gang will end up in the same truxmsh bin you’re talking about. People are pissed off with you including a lot of pf MPs and not the pieces of silver you’re talking about!!!
PF are scared.
I thought the minister of injustice has little reasoning. Shocked to learn that he is no better than Maxwell Chongu or Davies Mwila.
When people use all legal means and you deny them, then the olny way is to use guns, PF is up to no good and i can see that the end will not be very good, I wish the blind PF supporters will see the evil in PF.
Wapya Mudzi! UPND miscalculated on this one. They will have to score big on the dialogue process as it will not be free and fair if handled by the suggested NGO.
THE DEPUTY SPEAKER WAS VERY CLEAR THAT THE MOTION WAS PROPERLY BEFORE THE HOUSE. SHE ADDED THAT THERE WAS NO PROVISION AS TO THE TIME FRAME WITHIN WHICH TO DISCUSS IT.
THE FACT THAT EVERYONE IN THE PF IS TALKING ABOUT IT IS A CLEAR INDICATION THAT IT HAS UNSETTLED THEM. WHY USING THREATS, MR. LUBINDA?
IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THIS IS NOT THE FIRST IMPEACHMENT MOTION BEFORE THE HOUSE AND IT WILL NOT BE THE LAST. PF CAN DO WHATEVER THEY CAN TO FRUSTRATE IT BUT IT WILL NOT STOP THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE TO REMOVE PF FROM POWER. A TSUNAMI WILL EVENTUALLY COME AND IT WILL BE UNSTOPPABLE. WHERE IS ZUMA? WHERE IS MUGABE?
If LT has accurately reported what Lubinda said, then I conclude that the motion will not make it to the floor. Reason? Some grounds for impeachment will fall under the category of issues before courts of law. If I remember my logic lessons well, the conclusion (hearing the impeachment motion in this case) is not valid if at least one of the premises (reasons for impeachment!) do not hold. I hope UPND are redrafting the impeachment motion.
@Mpundu Mwaume; I CONCUR WITH YOU.THE UPND NEED TO REDRAFT THEIR IMPEACHMENT GROUNDS FOR IT TO REACH THE FLOOR FOR ANY DEBATE. IN FACT THEY CAN CONTINUE BRINGING THE IMPEACHMENT MOTION AGAIN AND AGAIN FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS. I HOPE TIME IS ON THEIR SIDE. DAVIES MWILA IS BUSY CAMPAIGNING AND INCREASING THE NUMBER OF VOTERS FOR THE PF. WHILE THE UPND ARE BUSY WASTING TIME DRAFTING AND REDRAFTING THE IMPEACHMENT WHICH WILL NOT SWAY ANY MP TO SHIFT THEIR ALREADY-DETERMINED POSITIONS. IT IS BETTER TO PERSUADE THE VOTERS WHO CAN CHANGE YOUR FORTUNES THAN TO TRY TO PERSUADE PF MPS TO IMPEACH THEIR PRESIDENT BECAUSE THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE, FRUITLESS AND AND AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY.
@ Mpundu Mwaume. Clearly, the motion will not see the light of day. My guess is that UPND foresaw this. Let us see what their next move will be if speaker rules not to hear motion. While we are on UPND, I am interested in latest accusation of Rogan of UN for allegedly helping PF win elections. Does UPND want UN to recall her?
PF cadres keep pumping yourselves, you can keep saying that but little do you know the dent the motion will have on you. The world knows PF are thieves and the motion only confirms that, the world and everyone who cares for our country is getting fed up with incompetent leaders who fail to deliver, all they do is intimidate others and steal from the poor. You can try and shut down this motion for now, but tomorrow is also another day it can be brought forward against. These guys are afraid of their own shadows, I was expecting the other party to be doing more talking about this now it’s just them everyday talking about it.
The point is the world already knows the ill intention of the UPND to deliberately dent the PF image. That is why the so called impeachment motion will have no effect at all. The world will simply ignore it and continue with their dealings with Zambia as if nothing has happened.
It looks like Zayelo has over the role of speaker of Parliament. No excuses let the impeachment motion be tabled. This i believe will help reduce thieving by those in govt
But you can challenge the decision of the constitutional court. This looks like a pile of chicken manure.
He is dead scared. What he is doing is to look confident and make the PF MPs resolved to vote against think there is a way their party has worked out. The “death sounds of mother duck” – quak quak quak …… unfortunately the eagle knows too well and is too determined for a meal.
Another theory could be that Zayelo wants to make his boss unsuspecting while he is busy organising his team to push out the president. Most PF MPs who have the slightest bit of analysis capability know that with Lungu at the helm the party is headed for the doldrums of extinction.
We know your shenanigans, one can easily tell from your rantings Given, let it reach the floor of parliament and let us see what happens. You can not have your cake and eat it. That speaker is a PF stooge and we already know the machinations going on behind the scenes. This speaker is the most incompetent we have hard in the history of our self governance. Even if you shoot this one down we will come up with another one, the abrogation of the law by PF and Lungu is abhorrent and we will not stop until we have men and women of integrity in leadership and not kaponyas and carders.
From the introduction of the so called impeachment motion by these egocentric foolish beings, i saw it going nowhere coz most of the issues on it are b4 the court and u expect the motion to be tabled?
i never expected that even mr Cornelius Mweetwa could be among the foolish to support that irrational thing…Emotional Growth is need ba Halepona Hagain
@ Zeus and @ Bamwine. I am as interested in the welfare of Zed as I believe you are. UPND needs to be smarter as a largest opposition party in Zambia. Neglecting technicalities is not exactly being smart as we saw in the Concourt presidential petition. I agree that Concourt did not handle the issue well but UPND also shares the blame but raising too many preliminary issues. NASA of Kenya was very smart in way they handled petition. And what exactly is UPND’s strategy: dialogue, court proceedings, impeachment and now accusing UN’s Rogan? At this space, don’t be surprised if ECL stands again in 2021…and wins. Please show some direction as largest opposition party.
But did we not see, in Kenya, how the ruling party moved quickly to change the rules of the game? They did so, after NASA had prevailed in court. It is as though you are saying, it’s more prudent to drink poison, not to eat it. Well, poison is poison is poison. How one takes it in is besides the point. We have a poisonous political system. So does Kenya. Neither country is better-off.
You might succeed in dislodging the impeachment motion but you will not have dislodged the truth and you will stand on the wrong side of history!! A corrupt system cannot be sustained forever. The wheels will come off sooner than later!!
What system will people like GBM bring that will not require worse terminology than the word CORRUPT to describe it?
Bawayawaya che.. It’s like they don’t have good lawyer s! Where’ are the Jack mwimbus of this world?
@Nostradamus Who told you that Lubinda can’t be President? I advise you to read the new constitution.
Given Lubinda is fully qualified to be President of Zambia.He enjoys the same rights and Liberties as any Zambian citizen under our constitution.Those who have be running around with this lie must stop.
Newly amended constitution from your bedroom ka.
You are too excited this sensationalism amoungest PF kandile’s is really worrying bola panshi
UPND MPs needs more school. It seems they miscalculated
For Speaker Matibini – I don’t think he wants to be soiled by PF any further than he has already been. You Matibini I think is a lawyer worth his name and he knows too well that getting too partisan especially with the PF unsmart goons breaking the law at will and leaving an indelible trail will have him not enjoy his retirement. Matibini I suspect won’t continue to play PF cheap and unsmart politics at the expense of his peaceful retirement. Make no mistake the man is not a fool and the impeachment motion is going though to the floor of parliament.
If PF are to help their president survive it won’t be Matibini to do it.
Im sure we are building a strong democratic system so the motion should go to parliament…we want to hear it…..its part of checks and balances……
THESE GUYS ARE NOT A REPRESENTATION OF THE PEOPLE WHOSE VOTES THEY STOLE BUT ARE THUGS AND BUNCH CRIMINALS.
We all know mutabini is a hard core PF cader and lungu bootlicker……no surprises there on what will happen..
LUBINDA FOR PRESIDENT?
WAIT A MINUTES, THIS IS SATA’S PF, THE MAN WAS ALLERGIC TO TRIBE, HE KNEW NO TRIBE.
WHY WAS LUNGU ACTING AT THE EXPENSE OF NKANDU LUO? WHY WAS KABIMBA HIS DEFACTO 2IC INSTEAD OF THE DULL GBM OR THE CORRUPT KAMBWILI?
LUAPULA WOULD SUPPORT ANY CANDIDATE FROM ANY TRIBE OR PROVINCE.
Zayelo is forgetting that he is one of the turn court’s within the PF and is for the impeachment of chagwa, all he is trying to do is bootlick ba jona by issuing wild statements on a subject he is not vested in just to show plasti loyalty.
LUBINDA IS PRESIDENTIAL STUFF, BETTER THAN HH.
Lubinda has given a good leakage to upnd
But they are too dull to use it wisely.
Paying someone in whatever form to corrupt their mind is punishable if it can be proved. Watch out UPND.
They will use you as evidence of induced !mbecility?
WHAT EXACTLY IS THE PURPOSE FOR THE IMPEACHMENT MOTION IF YOU KNOW THAT IT WILL NOT MANAGE TO IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT. IS THE OBJECTIVE TO DENT THE IMAGE OF ZAMBIA?
I DOUBT IT. BECAUSE IF THE IMPEACHMENT FAILS , IT MEANS THE GROUNDS FOR IT ARE BASELESS AND ONLY GOES TO CONFIRM THAT ECL IS ON THE RIGHT TRACK, LOVED BY ZAMBIANS. SO THE UPND SHOULD MAKE A BETTER CALCULATION OF WHAT THEY WANT.
THE DEBATES WILL NOT, AND CANNOT CAUSE ANY PF MEMBER TO CHANGE THEIR MIND, SO IT IS AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY. UNLESS YOU WANT TO ARGUE LIKE SMALL KIDS.
Mate, it is the embarrassment that will be caused by the motion and the ‘dirty laundry’ details that will come out in public. The PF will definitely try their best to prevent this motion from tabled on the floor. Both the Speaker and Deputy Speaker are their proxy minions there to serve their dirty interests.
@Jay Jay ,,,,How possible is it that a guy with a Diploma in Agribusiness from NRDC outsmarted the entire UPND which allegedly is populated with intellectuals?The impeachment motion was successfully “impeached” by a Diploma Holder before it could even be tabled in parliament.ati intellectuals my foot!! UPND must stop this idea of underrating their opponents otherwise losing will forever be part of them.
Lubinda, the man who sold his soul for the pieces of silver… he definitely can’t Lozi as Lozis are known for their integrity and principles. Lubinda is a big disappointment – think William Harrington, Aka Mbikusita, Inonge Mbikusita, Chrispin Sibetta, Arthur Wina to name but a few, the men and women who passed through that August House. How do you sleep at night knowing you are part of these crooks and you are there trying to defend their wrongs? Where is your conscience? You were supposed to be in that House to represent the wishes of the people, not to serve crooked Lungu.
Now the mediocrity of this country has permeated every sphere of life so much that Zambia can’t even manage to get a Bronze… mediocirty at it’s worst!
Surely the nation must suffer disunity destruction tribalism and even insulting the UN and international community all because your attempt and promise to your wife to make her First Lady was a dismal flop? Because it was therealistic chance?
What an upbringing for some children!
You are right, there must be pressure from the wife.
Just let him be, he is known fir shooting himself in the foot at critical moments …kikikiki….
Let him be….no condition is permanent… either the law will sort him out or God himself will…..and soon!
So h.h will now report Janet Rogan to her colleague Patricia Scotland… what a way to shoot yourself in thd foot! Payricia mustbe wondering what went into her mind to secure his release from Mukobeko where he was settling nicely.
Sorry to say HH is now taking Zambians for granted.who benefits from his useless scams to please his pay masters how do you call for impeachment for someone you have refused to recognise.Also the grounds tabled are linked to PF as a government not Chagwa and some the issues are active in court as the Justice minister as clearly put it.This fool HH wants to continue politics of division the late Michael on losing went back to the people to convince them.i challenge HH and GBM go back to the people and explain how your wealth can improve the plight of the common Zambians and for Kambwili everyone knows he is the worst corrupt who has been exposed and now he wants sympathy from the same people he stole from.a message to you foolish politicians don’t take every Zambian for granted.zambia is…
It’ll be much easier to dislodge this action if it is given legs to walk it across the Parliament floor.
I reckon it’ll take less effort than say…dislodging a deeply embedded mucus boogey from your nostril. Just slime and slide right out the door!
These guys who are paid to insult the UPND on these bloggs, How much are they paid. It seems to be lucrative looking at the posts coming in
UPND has nothing concrete to sell its electorate that is why it behaves like a useress party with no vision but wants to destroy the nation. Losers! Unelectable! Tribals!
How many MPs does this chronic losing tribal party has in parliament?
Just answer @30 Mundashi Sharon. How much?
just table the motion if you are sure you will shoot it down. the truth is that this 2 tribe PF party IS NOT SURE IF THEY WILL WIN. the delay speaks volumes, including buying of time.