Deputy Speaker of the National Assembly Catherine Namugala yesterday directed that the word Barotseland be excused in all Parliamentary debates.
Ms Namugala guided that there is no place called Barotseland in Zambia.
She was making a ruling on a point of Order on whether opposition UPND Sikongo Member of Parliament Mundia Ndalamei was in order to refer to Western Province in his debates as Barotseland.
Minister of Housing and Infrastructure Development Vincent Mwale had risen on a point of order wanting to know whether the opposition MP was in order to refer to Western Province as Barotseland.
Ms Namugala ruled that the MP was out of order as there was no place in Zambia referred to as Barotseland.
She said Barotseland was a British Protectorate which no longer exists.
She clarified that the Provincial and Districts Boundaries Act Chapter 286 of the Laws Zambia has no place and does not recognize any place called Barotseland.
She further guided that presiding officers have in the past rendered the same ruling in the house and Members of Parliament must desist from using the name.
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She is right – there is no Baarotseland is there?
I hold a PhD
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Just change from Western to Barotseland Province, since those lazy Lozis have failed to form their own country.
Luapula Province can’t accept some geographic name.
They should be suspending without pay, a month for prouncing the word once. Twice, two months & so forth. Then you will see, they will behave. Have you not seen how they sit the the presdo’s speech?
One Zambia………………………………One Nation…………….Tiyeni nayo nayo; your King signed the agreement. …..No Barotse or Lozi land, it is called Zambian land for Zambians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FINITO
THEY ARE TRIBALISTS FIRST BEFORE THEY ARE ZAMBIANS
SMALL WONDER THEIR PROVICE IS SO BACKWARD
HEY ARE TRIBALISTS FIRST BEFORE THEY ARE ZAMBIANS
SMALL WONDER THEIR PROVInCE IS SO BACKWARD
Zambia First, There are only 4 provinces in Zambia with a modicum of development i.e. Copperbelt, Lusaka, Southern and Central. Western, Muchinga, Luapula, Eastern, Northwestern provinces are in the same boat. Of all these provinces, Luapula is the poorest with poverty levels at 80.5%(CSO 2018, Zambian Census 2010). Try to educate yourself about the land you’re boasting of. Stop repeating debunked and uneducated beliefs. You look and sound stupid.
Who did Kaunda consult before effecting the name-change?
Anyana: It’s because u don’t know the rural parts of Copperbelt, Central, Southern and Lusaka provinces.
Catherine Mugala is right. Kaunda changed the name without due consultation. Why is there a Barotse Royal Establishment then if there’s no Barotseland?
UPND is evil. The evil of it must be eradicated from Zambia.
The other interesting question is perhaps the suffix “land”. Is this a Barotse word? Wht was it called before British colonialism?
How come they presented their concerns to a Parliamentary committee on bill no 10. how does a non existing entity do that?
On August 27, 2019, the Barotse Royal Establishment requested the United Liberal Party to present on its (BRE’s) behalf to the parliamentary select committee various concerns on proposed amendments to articles in the constitution of Zambia as contained in the constitution of Zambia (amendment) bill no. 10 of 2019.
@Anyana
Your gratuitous insult about me is tasteless.
My point is that in this day and age insularity will not take us any way
ONE Zambia is the way forward for holistic national development particularly for our children who seem to be shunning TRIBALISTIC leanings.
By the way I am very educated (British)
Who named it BarotseLAND? Why did the same people name BembaLAND, NgoniLAND, KazembeLAND, LundaLAND etc? The Bembas chased the guys! The Ngonis did too but were defeated by machine guns. The other guys wanted protection from the MAKOLOLO and their chief signed a document he didn’t understand in good cursive writing! They then used the document to mine in LambaLAND!! Divide and rule made the land you are referring to! They knew what they were doing! Zambia is one and there is NO BarotseLAND in Zambia but Western Province! UPND MPs and HH supporters must grow up.
Meant to say why didn’t the same people name BembaLAND as BembaLAND, etc? They knew and studied TRIBAL PEOPLE and signed dubious papers with them. Ask about what happened in RWANDA as well! Grow up little children!
Why is it called Western and not Borotseland Province?
What a demented douche of a tribalist this Namugala lady is! That’s like saying there are no Lozis in Zambia. “Barotseland” simply means the “land of the Lozis” or the “land where the Lozis live”. This uninformed Lungu minion has the nerve to wipe off the land of the proud people off the face of the world without fearing any consequences.
Yes there is ‘Barotseland’ the country and nation that existed prior to Zambia with borders through the line of rail; and the Barotseland Agreement… this is what sends shivers through these spineless douches. But there is ‘Barotseland’ as it exists which is the land of the proud Lozi people, and there is a difference.
Barotseland exists and you can even find it even on Wikipedia. ‘Western Province’ is actually more colonial British…
HAZALUZA HAGAIN! Afuna kuguriza ziko! UNELECTABLE. TRIBAL HAgendars.
Barotseland does NOT exist. It existed in the past.
Just like Northern Rhodesia, does not exist. It existed in the past. We now have a country called Zambia.
What is on ( Wikipedia ) is just recorded history. Lets try and look at things in-context.
Lets also be careful. Articles on Wikipedia are posted and edited by anyone who is a devotee to a particular subject. And i am not disputing any recorded history on Wikipedia about Barotseland.
Wikipedia is an open source platform anyone can go to wikipedia and alter comments posted by others.
Not so long ago, some crazy USA academic had written rotten lies about KK the first president that he had hidden $6 Billion in Swiss Account. We challenged him and I edited the article on Wikipedia.
# 2
” There is Barotseland a country.” What?? Dude move on and you need help.
Mate, I think you are confusing the ‘Barotseland’ that joined forces with Northern Rhodesia to form current Zambia through the Barotseland Agreement that facilitated with ‘Barotseland’ the place that the Lozi people live today. I think ‘context’ matters here. Barotseland pretty much means ‘Loziland’ or ‘Bulozi’.
Even the country unified to form Zambia, the place was called Barotseland. Kaunda just controversially and unilaterally changed the name to ‘Western province’ just so there was no connection to BA’64. Besides we still have Barotse Royal Establishment? It’s because Barotse = Lozis = Ba Lozi. It’s similar to saying ‘Zululand’. Barotseland exists, Barotseland Agreement doesn’t exist because KK abrogated it.
@ INDEPENDENT OBSERVER
True..Wiki is an open source medium subject to being changed anytime.At one time Wiki referred to David Beckham,a british footballer as a 19th century chinese footballer..lol
# 2.5 Corruption scandals: 48 Houses Social Security………
Barotseland was a British Protectorate, which is completely different from the Lozi land or Zulu land as per your example. The name # Barotseland is was coined by the Great Britain.
You say in your comments 2@ Barotseland is a country !!!
Presently, there is (no) country called Barotseland in Africa or in this world that is recognised by the United Nations Charters. Maybe you need to educate yourself what it means to call a territory a country.
cont…
Herewith !!
A country is geographical area, that is Sovereign State or nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory, run by a government through the means of a Political Party.
In the mean time, you need to move on from the past and stop inciting divisions in Zambia. The Lozi people are part of Zambia and have contributed a lot to our all endeavours. We are one nation. [ One Zambia, One Nation ]
We all one people just wearing different uniforms called languages or tribes.
Enjoy The Day…..
….’Western Province’ is actually more colonial British than Barotseland you ignorant m0r0n!
You can try to bury the history; try to suppress the truth and wipe the Genesis of Zambia from the school curriculum, but the truth will stand the test of time and rise over propaganda lies. The truth will always be passed down generations because a Lozi has blood of a Lozi running in their veins and you can’t succeed to suppress it with lies and thieving.
The typical Lozi stup1d pride that has left the province so under developed.
Lozi’s don’t like investing in their own province. The sit and cry all the time how Mongu is depleted area. They need to learn from Chipata and Kasama how sons and daughters of these provinces go back and develop their land.
What development is in Kasama or Chipata that Lozi’s should feel jealous of? All these provincial towns have the same ‘basic industries. Milling plants and one or two basic industries. Bicycles in Chipata, cashew in Mongu and coffee in Kasama. Only Chipata and Mongu have malls you people worship so much. It is only Mongu among all provincial headquarters in Zambia were commerce and trading is carried out by black people. Lozi’s don’t regard Patel and Sons as development. And by the way if you are going to pretend to be Lozi at least try to get the names right.
3.1 Anyana Calloway
You useless moron. You have exposed yourself, the very thing that makes you people so full of stupid pride. You are the one that mentioned shopping malls. And why go into mention Asians. You cannot compare Chipata now a an official town to Mongu. Kasama and Chipata are more developed. Period.
” Lozi’s don’t regard Patel and Sons as development….. Just listen to these words of yours, you racist and tribalist, no wonder you why you support HH.
Get it into your head. Who is the president of Barotseland. What is your currency. No one is pretending to be Lozi here. Zambian tribes are full of similar words that have different meanings. Waku’Nguma is not only a lozi word or dialect. You moron.
@Waku’Nguma, first stop your emotions outbursts and insults when trying to communicate with others…
2nd you must be out your mind to claim Kasama or Chipata are more developed than Barotseland/Bulozi. That is a fantasy. Look mate the entire country is sh!thole Ghetto. I recently went to the Copperbelt (Ndola, Kitwe, Mufulira) which is supposedly more developed than all the other places you mentioned. Well what I saw is nothing but a sad reality… dust, unemployment, dirty, load shedding, etc. There’s nothing to be proud of. Few shopping malls in Lusaka but the people frequenting these malls are just foreigners and few 10% with links to the state corruption money.
Look if you were genuine about developing your country, you would have started with putting on competent people in…
…Look if you were genuine about developing your country, you would have started with putting on competent people in those political positions regardless of their tribe and where they came from. Instead you put incompetent thieves just because they speak the same language as you. This project called Zambia will continue lagging behind human development and progress.
Do not perpetuate colonialists’ misdeeds.
Diband Zambia, the . It is a colonial creation.
From Wikipedia: “Barotseland is a region between Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia and Angola. It is the homeland of the Lozi people or Barotse,[1] or Malozi, who are a unified group of over 20 individual formerly diverse tribes related through kinship, whose original branch are the Luyi (Maluyi), and also assimilated northern Sotho tribe of South Africa known as the Makololo.”
Lots of uninformed people in this sh!thole country we call Zambia. (Barotse = Lozis = Ba Lozi).
Western Province.
One Zambia………………………………One Nation…………….Tiyeni nayo nayo; your King signed the agreement. …..No Barotse or Lozi land, it is called Zambian land for Zambians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FINITO
@ Musa
WTF you are doing in this “Christian Nation”?
Lets have Fort Roseburg and Fort Jameson back never mind broken hill….
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Barotseland from en.m.wikipedia.org
Barotseland is a region between Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia and Angola. It is the homeland of the Lozi people”- by Wikipedia
Wikipedia is not a reliable source to quote from………….. Use other sources as most universities do not approve quoting fro Wikipedia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Probably you or some Lozi separatists created that entry in Wiki……to justify a separate entity more righteous to Zambia than the rest of us.
You Are One Of Us. Deal.
Wikipedia is NOT ACCEPTED by Professors as a reliable source of information! Only Pro. HANSONI in South Africa can vouch for it on his University Letterhead to the UN and to the UK.
You go to Wikipedia, it has links to reliable sources all over the article. It is a reliable source that is open to public reviews than some Bemba wannabe trying to write about the history of the proud Lozi people. What people don’t get is Barotseland simply means “Kwa Bulozi” or “Land of the Lozi people”… that is perfectly fine and should not bring any political incorrectness n0nsense that this uninformed lady was sprouting in Parliament. She is trying to connect the sensitive BA’64 with ‘Barotseland’ the plains land where Lozis live. Next she will claim there’s no such thing as Lozis or Lozi language and try to ban them. Simple, the MP should just start using the term “Kwa Bulozi” in lieu of “Barotseland” and see what she says next. You can’t justify the name ‘Western…
Welcome back Mushota, nice to see the same sparky nature.
READ OUR LIPS…..There is no place called Ba…ROT…seland. We the people of Zambia at large do not recognise the false propaganda created to justify an HH government based on tribal rights.
Thank you for reinforcing this issue honourable Deputy Speaker. The lies of UPND have almost become folklore. Free the minds of the people so the truth of those provinces are exposed. WE ARE ONE. Equally justified to occupy Zambia.
…You can’t justify the name ‘Western Province’ any more than ‘Barotseland’ unless you are either ignorant or a tribal bigot or both.
Besides we don’t really need some politician to educate us who or what to call ourselves and our land… Bulozi/Barotseland will outlive these corrupt, immoral numskulls’
Comment:Don’t be ignorant Barotseland is there and stop tribalism in your rotten talkings .
Just know that there no place called northern Rhodesia
That woman is doesn’t know what she is saying
Remember that there is no Zambia without barotseland
Bembaland, Namwangaland, Tongaland, Ilaland, Barotseland, Mbundaland, Lalaland, Lambaland, Ushiland, Ngoniland, Chewaland, Lundaland, Luvaleland, Chokweland, Kaondeland, Kopalaland, Chinaland. Something I have missed, there is supposed to be 73-lands. Also corruptland, maybe?
Rupiahland you missed
Yes indeed there is nothing like barotsland , ofcouse it existed when there was northern Rhodesia , now there is no Northern Rodesia , barotsland died with northern Rodesia and will never resurect completly dead and everyone has forgotten about it
On point, deputy speaker.
Another Rupiah Banda minion somehow still holding office
Just like there’s no Bembaland or Nyanjaland in Zambia.Go go Barotseland it’s never too late.Tables can change.
On what grounds can you stop people from using the term? Is it a criminal offence? It is inevitable to refer to it in political dialogue as it can not be erased from the narrative. Unless one is committing treason or stopping other people from freely residing in Western Province, (Barotseland) there is no case here. Another misguided directive. Parliament is meant to debate all and sundry. If someone raises a motion about the status of Western Province and what should or should not have happened in history, it will be inevitable and acceptable to mention ‘Barotseland’.
Should I be stopped or arrested for mentioning ‘Fort Jameson’, ‘Broken Hill’, ‘Ku ba Lamba’, ‘Musi Oa Tunya’ instead of Livingstone, etc.?
ECL may have DUMPED Mushili Commandos for Mbala Special Forces.
Who are our ELITE Security Unit?
Kwa Bulozi, kuLubemba, kuKabambwa (Kawambwa), kwaMumpolokoso (Mporokoso), and so on and so forth. Why did we allow the corruption of our names kanshi. Imwe ma MPs from that part if you start pronouncing your origins properly the speaker will not argue much. Manje mungo bwelesa vaupuwa vimene ivo! Awe mwe!
When you hear Bembas claiming that Kasama and Mansa are developed, don’t be spooked because their nearest comparable to development is Lubumbashi and Kivu, where underdevelopment reigns supreme!
The D/Speaker was geographically wrong to say there is no “place.” maybe if she said no “name.” If an area has its name changed from old to new, does not mean non-existance. If you remove political glasses your eyes will see that the new name for Barotseland is Western province. Simple!!!!!!!!!!
Its like the Lozis are obsessed with the name Barotse. We can as well call Western Province Barotse province since they enjoy colonial manners. Even the dress of their Litunga is pure colonial. Even their thinking pure colonial still living in the past.
And by the way when are they leaving Zambia. We dont need mannersless minds from some of them!!!
Disaster!!!
The governance system You have adopted, the wig your deputy speaker put on as she was making the ruling are all colonial….. it’s only uncolonial when done by you. I’m really fade up of the foolish behavior. So shameful….
So in short, in the same vain there is no place called soliland, lambaland, bembaland, tongaland, lenjeland…… and so on and so forth. I thought these were identities based on who we are. Africans what is hell wrong with you? You practise so much hate among yourselves. We should be more proud to refer to ourselves as such….. bulozi, butonga, bulamba, bubemba, buchewa and so on….. unlike western, southern, northern….etc. this is so shameful.
Barotse land is real and will soon be free from these corupt people like you
Ignorance at it’s worst. To say Barotseland doesn’t exist is laughable. Very few things shock me in this country these days