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UPND Members want HH to Lift Lungu’s Immunity, but Nakacinda says PF wont pay attention to senseless Petition

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Some United Party for National Development (UPND) members have presented a petition to President Hakainde Hichilema demanding the stripping off of former President Edgar Lungu’s immunity.

UPND Lusaka District Information and Publicity Secretary Matomola Likwanya said that Mr. Lungu’s immunity should be lifted to pave way for investigations in various alleged corruption cases.

Mr. Likwanya said that the former President should be investigated for allegedly having been involved in various corrupt activities and abuse of office during his tenure of office, adding that among the cases Mr. Lungu include his alleged involvement in the illegal exportation of the Mukula tree species and the procurement of the fire tenders.

Mr. Likwanya told ZNBC news before presenting the petition to State House that Zambians would be happy when President Hichilema presents the notice of motion before parliament to lift Mr. Lungu’s immunity.

He said Zambians want to know how the former Head of state allegedly abused his office to accumulate his current wealth at their expense.

And Former UPND Presidential campaign team member Beene Hachoomba said Mr. Lungu is not above the law for him not to be subjected to investigations.

Mr. Hachoomba said Zambians must be told the truth on several dealings that the former President was allegedly involved in.

But PF Chairperson for Information and Publicity Raphael Nkacinda said the PF will not pay attention to the baseless and senseless petition, claiming that that those behind the petition have been paid to orchestrate the petition.

39 COMMENTS

  1. So this is what prioritized? People are waiting for improvement in their lives. In time Lungu will account for whatever he did if there’s any but P1 is to create those promised jobs, Kwacha stability, cheaper fuel.

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  2. On second thoughts this guy is hurting over the detention of Mr Hakainde I am sure. But what Mr Hakainde did was inexcusable…..let someone try that on and see your reaction.

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  3. Useless chaps …. This is what pains me as a Zambian, the failure to support and working together, We respect foreigners what you what to start doing to the former president is unacceptable thean as worked let him rest. How i wish that a petition can be put in against foreigners looting minerals out of this country… because the nation keeps on losing billions of dollars..yet you want to start following Lungu over small money..

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  4. Everyone including the former president are not above the law. They must answer some serious questions regards the country’s wealth if they abused it. Why hide in immunity ? That is the only way we could move forward and be accountable to running the country’s wealth. If you are a thief step aside

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  5. On this one the advisers to the president must give it a serious thought.not everyone who voted for HH was UPND and right now UPND government you have a lot on your plate to even to be thinking of such.The youth who voted most for you want jobs like yesterday.you promised to unite the country but it looks like none of your promises will be kept

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  6. Mr lungu has very serious questions to answer …………

    I can guarantee, he will not enjoy his retirement…………

    This must be a lesson to all future leaders……..

    While power is sweet and all consuming, remember that you will be answerable for the power and citizens you abused , after all is said and done ……….

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  7. Bring it on .the same way HH has proved his innocence in the privatisation process and has failed to explain his wealth I can guarantee you guys,you will waste five years fighting Chagwa.Don’t be fooled and don’t get excited

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  8. I hope they hv been advised that investigation into Edgar Lungu’s conduct as President of Zambia doesn’t depend on lifting his immunity. It’s prosecution which depends on lifting immunity. Investigation should hv started already by now if HH’s government is serious. I honestly don’t see the point of this petition if the secretary general of the UPND Batuke Imenda is fully in charge of the administration of the party which includes rendering advice to rank and file members. It’s evidence from investigators which would lead to beginning the process of lifting ECL’s immunity not infantile petitions.

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  9. OMG HOW CAN WE EVEN DEBATE THIS
    57 YEARS AND MOST ZAMBIANS STILL LIVING BELOW THE POVERTY LINE
    And you want this to continue ?
    let’s get serious here no jail term but confiscation of assests
    Then life style audits for all.
    AFRICA OH AFRICA :((

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  10. Dear under5 government can you please tell the nation
    1. The amount of gold that is taken out of Zambia per day / month
    2. The amount of Zinc
    3. Copper tonnage per year!
    Etc We as a people have never expressed serious concern over how our minerals are been mined! What is taken! What is the value! And at what price in dollar! This nation even borrowing it’s not necessary! Besides we can pay off what we owe the international community within one year period.
    Dears Zambians these are the real issues not Lungu…Let’s stop fighting each other like it was during slave trade, Look at a bigger picture…Last year 800,000 plus tonnes of copper was exported..Are we not shamed to be the Africas second largest copper producer with nothing to show forth!

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  11. Hello Fellow Zambians!
    UPND should know that HH will not be President forever, the next president should also re-vist the privatization of state companies. Let HH try it and he will pay also in future. We can’t treat the former president like the way we are behaving. This will be a a wake up call for the opposition.

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  12. Illicit enrichment no longer worries some of my fellow citizens such as Khumalo Mthunzi. In fact HH’s knowledge that he won’t be president of Zambia forever is the reason his government should investigate Edgar Lungu’s conduct in the office of president.

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  13. And is what hungry Zambians voted for…already struggling with massive electricity cuts…just how does this fit in….how does this create employment…how does this buy medicine for the Hospitals…these are signs of failure…..These guys have failed now they want to find something to divert attention from gullible HH cult followers…..and things are getting worse

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  14. @ 16 Tikki
    Don’t mind us you will just run out of Airtel bundles……save that money to buy kapenta and Pamela tomorrow…and make sure you have enough malasha because no electricity for 3 days the whole Zambia starting tonight

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  15. I think HH7 knows better than waste time on that issue I mean Lazy Lungu’s right hand man crook Findlay is still walking the streets …even his corrupt former cabinet ministers like Chitotela and Chilufya. The numbers in Parliament are not straight forward for UPND to do that…you also have to prove that there is overwhelming evidence which can only be obtained when courts sending PEPs to prison.
    PF has also been terrible in opposition I mean where are the diehard supporters not this turncoat Nakacinda

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  16. PF cadres, I will tell you now that whether u like it or not “ Lungu will one day be prosecuted and it’s still within HH’s term. Trust me on this one. For now, the crime institutions are still sorting out the small fish. Time for the Mulamba will come. And it it willl. Inevitably!

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  17. Look here Khumalo Mthunzi and your ilk, lifting Edgar Lungu’s immunity is not the same as convicting him for any crime. Due process would still hv to apply to secure a conviction because it’s a matter of evidence, hw strong it is and hw well it’s presented.

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  18. Those saying GRZ should not investigate lungu but prioritise efforts on other urgent things affecting the nation ………..

    Is like saying disband the police , ACC and DEC because we have other urgent things affecting zambia……….

    The 2.8 million voting majority were of the mind that police, ACC and DEC can investigate present and past crimes ,
    no ?????

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  19. PF cadres and MPs can complain all they want but if u not the ruling party, your voice matters the least. Cry the loudest u can but at the end of the day – u are not the deciding power. Lungu taught us this lesson when Tongas and Lozis made valid & sensible calls. But they were not in power hence their calls were ridiculed. Same story here. Tables have turned!

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  20. The steps are you first investigate, and if you find that there is something tangible, you move to lifting immunity for possible prosecution, but you can not say immunity should be removed for him to be investigated, there is nothing that stops investigations even with immunity not being lifted. Also to say there was corruption so he must be investigated is a very weak case, it cant be proven that he was part of corruption, what is easy to prove in terms of breach of constitution are things like how ministers stayed in office after dissolution of parliament, those are easy but you must prove and show the document where he signed to give the directive, it is not as easy as the cadres are putting it

  21. Nakachinda is always lost, it is not for PF to pay attention, the focus for this is ECL and not PF, please differentiate the two, this is basic

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  22. Just get the ball rolling by asking how lungu earned $2.3 million after 18 months in office……….

    Not even the president of the USA can earn that much after 18 months on office…….

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  23. flag Jigga Kayama Simangulungwa (formerly Corruption scandals: 48 Houses Social Security Cash Luxury Presidential Jet Ambulances Fire Trucks Mukula Trees Ndola-Lusaka Rd Malawi Maizegate Fuelgate Swaziland landgate Zesco Loans Honeybee)

    This useless perpetuity of lifting presidential immunity without gaining anything from it must stop. As someone rightly pointed out above that you can still conduct investigations without the lifting of immunity… immunity is about prosecution and conviction.
    Where is the Corruption “Truth Commission” that HH promised? I prefer that to be focused on recovering stolen resources and wealthy obtained through corruption. To date not even ministers have been prosecuted so Lungu is too far away on the hierarchical perking order.
    And please stop this f00lish abuse of cadres presenting petitions and getting airtime. Please be different and bring about maturity to the way we do politics in Zambia!

  24. “Immediately we are sworn in at 10hrs the kwacha will beginning appreciating to K5/US$”. Its 4 months now and even the gains the kwacha got during the last months of PF are eroding. Infact in Ministries procurement the exchange rate is pegged at K19/$ (2022), K21/$(2023). Ine kuchita ku dabwa.
    “I will not fire anyone using political reasons” . changed to All DCs and most PSs fired.
    “You will get free education up to university”. changed to “We did not promise free education but education for all”.
    “K1,500 salary increament for all civil servants across the board” changed to “Quiet about it”
    “We have found empty government coffers”. changed to ” We meant the money we found was not enough to meet the demands at hand”.

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  25. You don’t need to lift the immunity of the former President in order to institute investigations. A sitting President can only move a motion to lift the immunity of his predecessor upon establishment of a prima facie case against him. This must be specific, not innuendos. So there’s nothing that’s holding Bally and the UPND from investigating ECL. Please educate the cadres

  26. The piece of legislation giving presidential immunity should be done away with. It serves nothing but to make the sitting president feel he is above the law and it encourages dictatorial behavior ,

  27. One lifts the immunity to the former president only when sufficient proof has been gathered. And Edgar China Lungu will surely have ensured that the proof of any misgivings has been hidden.

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  28. Dominion @ 29, it’s evidence against Edgar Lungu that will lead to his immunity being lifted. And this evidence is documentary and was created whn Edgar Lungu himself was president of Zambia. HH has nothing to do with it.

  29. Can our President give this Beene Hachoomba chap a job. This is too much now. How many petitions is he going to present.

  30. Bally and the UPND government are telling us the corruption fight is not targeted at people belonging to certain tribes. But let us look at the names of ring leaders demanding the lifting of President Edgar Lungu’s immunity before any charges are laid against him. There is Former UPND Presidential campaign team member Beene Hachoomba who is from Southern Province. Then there is also UPND Lusaka District Information and Publicity Secretary Matomola Likwanya who is from what looks like Northwestern Province. The two are from UPND stronghold provinces with tribes to which they belong. So, how can Bally and UPND say the corruption fight is not tribal when the jury and judges in the court of public opinion are from tribes belonging to UPND strongholds?

  31. You are relying on his people in the civil service, judiciary and parastatals and you think you can raise a successful case against him, jokers !!

  32. Yes Lungu looted the country big time and deserves to be in prison but unfortunately Rupiah brokered a deal between HH and Lungu which paved way for lungu to hand over power peacefully in exchange for HH not prosecuting him. So HH cannot lift his immunity.

  33. Razor @36, u don’t know HH but u want to bring your speculation here. Do u know what years of big money corruption and public policy failure leads to? Eventually there will be a large group of young people without education or proper education but who need to fit into society and earn a living in a money economy. Now how will they do that? They form gangs to terrorise society. Have we not reached this stage already in Zambia? These are issues that need to occupy a proper political leader. I know that HH is losing his sleep over this issue.

  34. We have been there before. It’s the third instalment of the same movie. Chiluba prosecuted or is It persecuted KK, what came out? Nothing.
    Mwanawasa prosecuted Chiluba, after exciting zambians about allegations of million’s of stolen dollars ( remember the matrix, zamtroop account and all) what came out? Nothing except making lawyers very rich.
    So here we are, it’s season three. HH prosecuting ECL. Objective is merely to distract the public from the real issues of the upnd promises to voters. My guess is voters will wait a long time for the jobs to come. I rest my case.

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