MMD parliamentary chief whip Vernon Mwaanga has said that the impeachment plan by the opposition is baseless because they have failed to tabulate the breaches they allege President Rupiah Banda has committed.
Patriotic Front (PF) chairperson for local government and housing, Wynter Kabimba has written to the Speaker of the National Assembly, stating that he has been instructed in his capacity as a lawyer to give a notice of motion for impeachment of the president.
Speaking in an interview in Lusaka yesterday, Mr Mwaanga said if the PF and United Party for National Development (UPND) were serious about impeaching Mr Banda, they could have tabulated all the alleged constitutional breaches.
He said to the surprise of the MMD, the said letter was only on one page and without substantiating the claims against the president.
“They should also know that Mr Wynter Kabimba has no standing to write about the impeachment because he is not an MP. According to Article 37 of the Constitution, impeachment proceedings can only be started by an MP and Mr Kabimba is not an MP,” Mr Mwaanga said.
He said according to the Constitution, the impeachment proceedings could be started when the letter handed over to the Speaker had been signed by one third of the MPs but that had not been done.
He said that the impeachment of a head of state could only be commenced if the office holder had violated the Constitution and in this case the opposition parties had failed to state what violation had been committed.
And Chief Government spokesperson Ronnie Shikapwasha said that the Government was ready to defend itself as President Banda said on Tuesday.
Lieutenant-General Shikapwasha said the opposition were merely playing to the gallery and advised them to desist from entertaining the public through cheap politics.
MMD national chairman Michael Mabenga said the opposition has failed to offer justifiable reasons for their calls to impeach President Banda.
In a letter dated July 21, 2009 to the speaker, Mr Kabimba of WM Kabimba & C
ompany said his law firm had been instructed to advise its clients the various breaches of the articles of the Republican Constitution by President Banda for presentation of the motion for impeachment.
“These breaches cover the period from August 2008 when Mr Banda was acting as president of the Republic of Zambia following the demise of president Levy Mwanawasa in Paris, France todate,” reads the letter in part.
In his letter copied to PF leader Michael Sata, his UPND counterpart Hakainde Hichilema and what he termed MMD client members, Mr Kabimba stated that he was acting for the PF, UPND and ruling MMD MPs.
“We shall forward the motion to your office for presentation by our clients within 14 days from the date hereof,” reads the letter to the speaker.
UPND spokesperson Charles Kakoma in a separate interview said members of the pact were still looking for evidence of the alleged violation of the Constitution by the president
Mr Kakoma said the grounds included the alleged violation of the Constitution, m
ismanagement of the country’s affairs and gross misconduct, among the said charges.
[Times of Zambia]
Just a waste of time.
This is a non-starter.
We need to put pressure on RB for developmental issues.
Evidence is there for impeachment. Allowing Chief Justice to hold on to power after his has reached a retirement age. This is a fertile ground for imeachment as he has violated the constitution. His re-appointment of Dora as Educ Minister even when she was found to have breached the constitution. VIVA impeachement
Hold on Pact. The chief Justice saga may provide the best ammunition…!!!! Anyway…..Morning Pipo, Last evening at Lusaka play house I had the privilege and honor to lisyen to Prof. Clive Chirwa espouse his vision for MMD and Zambia. The man is just brlliant. However, most pipo (in the packed house) kept reminding him that MMD is not interested in him. He indicated that he initially had no plan plan-B away from MMD but the message is sinking that he is probably not need by sycophants in MMD. So, he promised to tell the nation his plan-B in the next few days and he says he is ready to work with any serious and progressive parties. Watch this space………….
Gee Mwanga asila zo’ ona….this impeachment smells of desperation on the part of the so called PACT,why cant they just channel their energies to next elections
The grounds for impeachment are there but the pact needs a lot of strength to win this one, otherwise the whole process is being blocked before it even takesoff
Inpeachment, just a share waste of time , money and brains. Lets think about better things than chasing the wind.
Even the media is very divided on this topic, guys read the post as well on th impeachment process. In my dreams it would be good if the pact won this one
The issue here is not name calling and getting all heated up. The big question Zambians need to be debating is has the constitution been breached?, if so what are the legal alternatives. Does the constitution allow for impeachment or what are the options. If the constitution allows for impeachment then it has to be implemented, for those who are panicking you need to ask yourself why does our constitution have a clause on impeachment if all the conditions have been fulfilled, that should also answer those that are concerned about instability. Why does the Zambian constitution and every other country’s constitution have a clause on impeachment if it will bring about instability. Let us debate intelligently and not out of emotions or insults. If the constitution hasn’t been violated…
In my view, the PACT is showing signs of panicking. If really they had evidence, they would not be wasting time.
On the issue of the MP’s voting against the impeachment , if indeed the constitution had been breached then they should also be dropped by their constituencies for failing to protect and honor the constitution of the land. If the constitution was not breached then the HH Sata Pact needs to concentrate on voter registration, restructuring of ECZ, civic empowerment in rural areas and a complete overhaul of the Justice System in Zambia that is where the problems are right now.if indeed the constitution has been breached and the constitution allows for impeachment it’s now upto Zambians to petition and hold their MP’s accountable to protecting the constitution. Who do the MP’s pay alleigance to is it the Zambian people or the President?
Who elected them to be MP’s is it Zambians or the President? If their allegiance is not to the Zambian people then there is a very serious problem in Zambia, no wonder there is no development.
Mwaanga (Stanford-Ivy league, Rhodes Scholar) according to your historians, it is time to talk to lawyers. Defending RB through the media might not be the best strategy. Your friends in PF/UPND are using lawyers and it seems your pants are sagging from behind.
How come Mr Mwaanga always appears during Election and also in times like this. Zambians need to seriously intercede and let the Lord intervene.
Mwaanga please drop dead and Zambia shall be saved huh!
I just hope the PACT have other better reasons outside those Sata gave.
# 9 its just strateg coz if they said everything before the real game then the MMD will prepare themselvies very well but as it is they dont know what they are fighting with.
Just wait and see, I will be shocked!!!!
#17. Reads you will be shocked
I last saw Vernon Mwaanga in person nearly 20 years ago. Looking at his picture today the man looks unwell and frail and I ask myself, what is he up to still clinging to dirty MMD politics in that condition? Surely our country is not short of young, intelligent, able-bodied people to offer sensible leadership. What is the point of recycling over and over people who have outlived their usefulness like Mwaanga, Rupiah Banda, Munkombwe, etc…Can Mwaanga’s relatives please advise him to retire and look after his health. Zambia’s problems will never end as long as we have these tired, irrelevant, old power hungry pensioners in office. Away with them!
we are tired of destroying our country by sympathizing with mediocre in the name of peace loving..if we don’t stop RB now then prepare for asylum..lets protect what we have and learn from zimbabwe..ignorant leaders are costly!!!!
LT, give us an updated photo of VJ. The above photo will just entice sarcasm from Shaka Zulu Ka Sezangankona.
The PACT is trying to keep itself busy, they have my understanding
For the first time Mwanga is right the impeachment plan is baseless
What strong reasons does the PACT have to impeach the president?
I beg to answered please!
Let him go please, we are tired!!!!
#19, you left out Sata, on purpose?
Bloggers , what is that white spot in Mr Mwaanga’s head. elo ba mwaanga balemoneka kwati ni Ibu soap nga baisha mumenshi.
Mama G wabuka shani, Ba moze long time, Nine Chale how is the benz town this morning
They are all scared because 3/4 of the MMD MPs are in support, no use of the office of the President to rig, they will run but not hide! All the well meaning MPs should support this. Go on its the only way to end this bull***t
The last line should read
I beg to be answered please!
There are some people like senior citizen who believe he is still valuable inconsiderate of his ill heath. MMD recycle bin works wonders. Ma pythons.
Ine #24, Of course Sata is one of them, the list is endless, that’s why I used etc…
Thank you for your observation.
At this point the PACT can also bank on luck. I say so because even if they have no plauseble reasons for impeachment, they may still get 1/3 majority vote due to the unpopularity of RB. So no reasons, but still get the support? Lucky indeed!
Goodmorning bloggers.
I’m afraid Mwaanga is dead right on this one. Impeachment of presidents is a rare event in history. Even in the US, out of 50 presidents in over 100 years, only 2 presidents were impeached by the U.S. House of Representatives, but acquitted by the Senate: Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton . Richard Nixon resigned after Watergate before he could be impeached.
impeachment? pe bana ambile siba mvela na nsoni, lose 2001…lose 2006, by-election number one manje pamene apa another by-election. i think bafunika kubalonga nabeve aba bantu bati silizila ndrama…they are all not doing anything for our good, why not pressure for better policies and concentrating on exposing corruption…ba hh mukungo kamba che va kolwe aba tundila ba banda, the last couple of elections we have not even heard any tangible facts apart from more money in your pocket within 90 days….to tell you the truth, banda has even put more money in my pocket unfortunately its not worth anything..that time 6pin was 2$, now its jus about 1$, meaning still av lost…and i know for sure MMD will also field a candidate if there was an issue of by-election and probably have this man mr.
Is this old age or aids? the end will always be bad or will justify your existence!
#25. Imiti ikula. am fine thanks man, how are you doing yourself??
vj here to do some wise campaigning and vote strategising or whatever they call it. twamipapata ba hh naba pf naba nashala neka parties….bushe opposing it just means uku kana kana fye, shileni naimwe ifya mano , tumfweko plan of action…what u will implement, how u will stop corruption…what you will do with police, zns, nurses, doctors, teachers, unza, and general economic development…elo ifya chishinka not ubufi
#31. RB should emulate Richard Nixon. He will go down graciously.
Ba Mwaanga tabalemoneka bwino
Is that a bluetooth headset Mwaanga’s got on his head?
why is it abamano abalebomba inchito tatu bomfwa namuma papers…mwabafye tenta, bashikulu ba sata, uyu billionaire hh, lost soldier magande…noyu sangwa busy manipulating the systems. i think olo unfairnes kuti yabomba, ukukaka fye sata, hh, na aba bambi abale pwisha ifipompo fya buteko…eversince 20 pende ifikondo ECZ is using money to give u chance but infact u r there jus posing…ama donors giving u money for campaigns but ku western tamwaya muku campaigna, even kuma rally giving false promises kumo naba mr. bwezani..so nga mwachita impeach bwezani, zambia spends more money again n new MMD president selects new cabinet
Our opposition is not serious. I cant believe that the whole pact cannot see the baselessness of the impeachment thing. Or is it just a lack of ideas or just the zeal of wasting precious time. With this kind of opposition, you can not wonder why we are where we are 17 YEARS after the introduction of multiparty democracy.
Get lost VJ, and enjoy while you can with the way you looking i dont think you be able to face jail with you health
African Presidents are always committing some offense even when they open their mouths. I would not rush to say mwaanga is right without reading or waiting for impeachment articles. I don’t think the PF/UPND lawyers don’t know what they saying. Already Sakala/Chitengi issue is one impeachable case. President sleeping on the wheel. Letting things run themselves is breach of trust. He is busy traveling without even knowing who is running the judicially. Sorry, that is really a big breach of the constitution.
#39. 17 YEARS after the introduction of multi party democracy, we are still searching for quality leadership. We aspire our country to be what other countries have become – be it in the subregion or beyond, thanks to their leadership and the prudent management of their resources.
# 37 is that bluetooth custom made?
Mr Mwanga looks really sick… What that which staff kumutwe. Kamutiti?
iwe NEW ZAMBIAN i think really u r a new zambian. how much money and effort is going into elections which turn out the same, why dont these opposition parties also have enough support to remove the ruling party, it is because they keep running with such issues as petitioning the election, going to court, impeachment and the like, why cant we together concentarte on more serious matters. if this constitution has been breached and i am sure if one looked very hard they will find that indeed it has, the case against banda…how big is it…have these same opposition party leaders not been found in similar situations that could b e cited to disqualify them from standing? but unfortunately it does not work that way
#37 What do you think the High Court saga eventually will fall on the Presidential negligence? And if so, is that not impeachable?
and this is why these people are going to parliament because there all they need are numbers, enough people in parliament to agree and its done…what about the rest of the people in the country, do we all feel the same, does the majority agree, and with such a vote will justice really be done in the current situation, with individuals in the house unhappy about other issues, others pushing their own agenda, and others being dragged into an issue of loyalty…will an impeachment of this sort really benefit zambia?
Following “They should also know that Mr Wynter Kabimba has no standing to write about the impeachment because he is not an MP. According to Article 37 of the Constitution, impeachment proceedings can only be started by an MP and Mr Kabimba is not an MP” by Mr Mwaanga VJ, it is fundamentally difficult for me to differ with educated data of this nature but I would like to remind my relative Mr VJ that Mr W. Kabimba has put it clear as to whom he is writing on behalf of that entails MP will do the rest.
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1 Peter 5 + KJV Bible
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9 whom resist steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
#42 Monalisasyndrome, The search for quality leadership continues for mother Zambia indeed. Unfortunately, the current system which is enshrined in the constitution (sacred document of a country) favors the emergence of low quality leadership
We should learn from other developed countries and use some ideas of how they got to have efficient political systems which delivers. Such ideas can help us come up with a local system, imbedded in our constitution. eg The Japanese system facilitates impeaching a leader based on performance, even the performance of the economy. Breaching the constitution should not be the only reason. Wrong appointments of corrucpt people into responsibilitties should be impeachable. We can not afford to waste another three years of mediocrity in leadership. What kind of legacy and country do we wanna leave our children? RB should be removed and let us have someone who understands the current challenges we face as Zambians. What can we learn from a fool like VJ? Remove all these fools!
#50. Amen to that !!!
Is this the delegation leader we sent to China a forty night ago to share ideas on how best you can improve the economy? Mwebantu sure. Immediately saw this picture my jaw almost dropped I wonder when the future will come as old people like Mwanga keep saying you are future leaders even when they know that their healthwise is failling them. Please Mwanga for Gods sake retire and never ever come out of retirement again. You see thats the only problem with having a chain of marriages, this had he not wasted so much money on marrying and re marrying he would having been confortable by now and working would be a thing of the past. Now he has chosen to remain a potential bootlicker wakwa bwezani. Awe napwisha.
Now i understnd why KK abolished oposition parties. They have nothing to offer
Zambia needs fresh 21st centuary educated minds, new constitution and policies and a totally new Government. Other than that, I dont see zambia ever moving forward.
#50 if only the rest of Zambia could see it your way, Zambia would be a better country by now
It might happen why is it that i have a strong feeling RB will be impeached..and pack his bags
Impeachment, this is a waste of Time and Money, we all know its not going to happen. Lets Be realistic. use that money for lawyers on building a well or feeding people.
To me it appears as though Zambian politics are still at Primary School level. Uku bwata bwata sure like it is a disease. Everyone in Govt and the opposition is a spokesman. Anyone can say anything; anyone can call a press briefing. Zambia has lost direction and this can be seen by all but as usual who cares, nobody. There are too many munshye bwa’s in Zambia. Everybody thinks they are right even on issues they have no competence about. It is typically Zambian. I do not know when this disease will be cured.
#53 I can’t agree with you more. These opposition parties make KK era of one party state look like sainthood. I doubt there is an opposition party in Zambia. Sorry people we desire credible opposition that keeps us on our toes, but surely does any sane individual think in MMD we are losing sleep over this impeachment? I pity the Zambian population, surely the country deserver a better opposition. Even bloggers on this site are better opposition than what you have on the ground in Zambia and sorry as MMD we shall continue winning elections starting with the Chitambo bye-election without sweat, all this thanks really to a schizophrenic opposition
MMD parliamentary chief whip Vernon Mwaanga ( self-confessed Drug Dealer) . This is a Joke, the man has a record with Interpol. The MMD must be on Drugs or morals don’t exist in Zed.
# 19, you have well articulated
#20, you are wise. If we Teta and Mulongoti can view issues like you, the better
Well article 37 starts by and i quote”37. (1) If notice in writing is given to the Speaker of the National
Assembly signed by not less than one-third of all the members of the
National Assembly of a motion alleging that the President has
committed any violation of the Constitution or any gross misconduct
and specifying the particulars of the allegations and proposing that a
tribunal be established under this Article to investigate those allegations,…..”
Here my interpretation is that any one, as long as they are Zambians can invoke this let alone that for it to go to parliament, 1/3 of the members of NA must sign. It doesnt state who initiates the impeachment but it categorically states who must assent the notice, the one third of members of the national assembly. so i may not…
#58,Mushidike Uwafwa Taishindika
On your: “Everyone in Govt and the opposition is a spokesman. Anyone can say anything; anyone can call a press briefing. Zambia has lost direction and this can be seen by all but as usual who cares, nobody”. This is so because the so called President is not in control. RB has no leadership qualities at all!
If we imagine that Banda is removed from office, then what? Another election? Does PF/UPND have time to come up with ideas as to how to move Zambia forward? Of course they dont because all their energies are based on getting Banda out. They have not even decided on who will lead them and yet they want to get to State houese. To me this is completely illogical. Anyways, what we should be discussing is the numbers. Are there enough MPs from MMD who will support this motion, because without them, this thing is a non-starter. It is sad to see but Zambian politics are just a waste of time. It is quite funny to see how some poeple truly believe that the like of Sata and HH who are bereft of ideas can truly save the country – case of jumping from the pan into the fire.
VJ shikulu what is that white thing on your head protruding..Looks like you are becoming a walking skeletal already or u now take drugs through your head(cathator).. Take time out and enjoy your last few months/years.
I’m getting fed up of all this political power play, so I decided to rhyme:
I drink one beer in the morning
I drink one beer at night
I drink one beer in the afternoon
they make me feel alright
I drink one beer in time of peace,
one beer in time of war
I drink one beer before I drink another beer
and then I drink one more.
…and then I go looking for one babe
The one beer man.
I think most PF MPs do not know what is at stake. All they are thinking is that once the impeachment goes thru, it is only RB to go yet even they as MPs will have to be subjected to elections. Now there are 18 MPs in PF who have a weak support base and within UPND and PF there could be those who may have fallen out of their electrorates favour. Those would not wnat to risk their positions hence wont vote for this thing. But as usual with PF MPs it is ubumbutuma at play. I doubt if Hon. Mumbi Phiri knows what this is all about if last time she was coerced into voting for increased salaries without understanding why. You can just see it by the way they are using a lawyer instead of MPs themselves presenting the impeachment case.
Sata and HH should resign over this matter becoz it clearly shows they have nothing to offer. That is people like Prof. chirwa are clinging to MMD coz he knows the opposition is useless especially the so called PACt or is it PAST ! Ithink past is better. I may not be a fun of RB but what am seeing and hearing from this PAST makes me think we are not going anywhere with this opposition. CDP where are you so we can move! KK can you advise how to get back to one party system please! Look their MPs apprives the budget in parliament and later they support the strikes. Didnt they analyse the budget and understand that the allocation for salary increase was in there? Rubbish Sata and HH! Atase nafulwa sana. Kakoma nankwe at we are looking for reasonns of impeachment atase amfi yekayeka fye!
awesome lyrics dude
Patriotic Front (PF), Secretary General Wynter Kabimba has officially writen to speaker of the National Assembly to begin the impeachment of president Rupiah Banda. Mr. Kabimba, a former Lusaka town clerk, wrote to the speaker on behalf of the UPND and PF and some unnamed MMD MPs. Mr. Kabimba is a lawyer by profession and the letter is written on his company letterheads WM Kabimba and Company. Though the letter to notify Speaker Amusaa Mwanamwaamba is dated July 21, 2009, it was only delivered today 22nd July. According to Mr. Kabimba, MPs want to impeach president Banda because of various breaches of the Republican Constitution from the time he acted as president. The period of alleged breaches of the constitution, according to Mr. Kabimba, stretches from the time Mr. Banda was just an…
…… acting president. “We would like to inform you that we have been instructed to peruse and advise our clients from the three named political parties the various breaches of the articles of the Republican Constitution by the President of the Republic of Zambia, Mr. Rupiah B. Banda for presentation of the motion for impeachment to your office,” read part of the notice. The full impeachment motion which will contain the full grounds will be presented to the speaker within 14 days from the date the notice was issuedSpeaker Mwanamwaambwa. This will be the second time he would be presiding over an impeachment of the president
My advice to the UPND-PF PACT is that, please consider withdrawing the 14 day notice and let the High Court and LAZ sort out the illegal or legal Chief Justice problem first. This is because it would be sad to have new elections and then President with an illegal Chief Justice to swear him/her in to defend the Constitution. Also, the PACT will have more time to frame the impeachment motion nicely so that the 53 MP signatures can be easily mobilised.
In the meantime, non-rebel PF must reconcile with its rebels.
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1 Peter 5 + KJV Bible
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9 whom resist steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the word.
INDEED A MAN WHO ONLY HAS ISSUES TO DISCUSS ON THE ZAMBIAN POLITICAL LANDSCAPE YESTERDAY PROVED HIS WORTH AT LUSAKA PLAY HOUSE.PROF CLIVE CHIRWA IS THE MAN.HE PROVED THAT HE HAS A VISION FOR ZAMBIA.IT WAS A HOUSE PACKED TO CAPACITY WITH SCHOLARS INTERLECTUALS YOU NAME THEM.AND INDEED IN THE END THE STANDING OVATION HE RECEIVED PROVED THAT THE MAN KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT.THERE WERE NO INSULTS,NAME CALLING OR SWEET TALK.IT WAS AN INTENSIVE ISSUE BASED ENGAGEMENT BASED ON THE 21ST CENTURY LINE OF THINKING. I CANT WAIT TO SEE SATA CHALLENGE HIM ON A ISSUE BASED DEBATE.
#75. AKAPONDO. Did he mention when exactly he intends to leave the comfort of UK and come back home to share with us the horrors of MMD misrule?
What do you really want? Is it not the rite thing to put an end to this madness. What more are you looking for to warrant his impeachment apart from the increased corruption, lawlessness, stealing, etc. This deserves your support, we cannot wait until 2011 the damage will be irreparable. The precedent has been set, Chluba’s immunity was lifted.
ba mwaanga, finally your life style has caught up with you, akunwenifye imiti, namupwa
What the hell is on Mwaanga’s head in the pic? Ok, a friend has just clarified with me that the white stuff on Mwaanga’s head is a latst bluetooth from China. It has recently been designed for the aged. The manufacturers were informed that the clip on the ear from the bluetooth was giving a disconfort due to prolonged use. Hence the latest one that has to be stuck on the head. It comes in different colours actually and Mr Mwaanga fell in love with the white one. The problem is this kind has a tendency to deprive the brain of ………. Enjoy blogging.
Mwaanga is lucky he has friends in high places. He is not retiring because he is financially dependent on his job for his day to day livelihood (and medical expenses , which cannot be cheap) Shocking? Not really. Most of our leaders do not have financial independence, and therefore, they lack real freedom to represent their electorate or to manifest any principles or integrity. This is a cycle affecting generations beyond theirs as they have not even educated their children.
#54 Zedian u mu SASA, I am disappointed that in this day and age you advocate for return to Kaunda’s one party dictatorship. The opposition may be weak but to a certain extent they help ensure checks and balances unlike in Kaunda’s time when no one dared speak freely on national issues.
“I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.”
MONALISA,
Come january 2010 he’ll be lecturing at UNZA.that aside he proved yesterday that he knows his country like the back of his hand.he has travelled the countryside and he is upto date with everyday zambian life
Those bloggers who keep going on about the health of certain persons should be ashamed of themselves. Every person in the world engages in risky behaviour of one sort or the other. A footballer breaks his leg in a match, a boxer suffers from paralysis pugilistica, a smoker gets lung cancer, a glutton gets obese and diabetes, a teenage girl gets pregnant, aborts and dies, an actress dies at a skiing resort, a drunk driver dies in acar crush, a driver driving a defective vehicle dies in a car crash… All these are risks with terrible consequences. Contracting HIV/AIDS is no exception. In the 1980s, blood was not screened for HIV and many women got transfused with infected blood unknowingly. Let us stop this stupidity once and for all.
The Impeachment clause and all other articles were wilfully, purposely and specifically included in the constitution to protect the nation from the emergence of tyranny and truancy in the President.
If and where the Opposition parties have a solid case for impeachment of the current President, so be it. It is conctitutional. It is no recipe for confusion or conflict, but a legitimate way to remove a errant office holder.
So all of you bootlicker scaremongers, prophets of doom, propaganda instruments, allow the process to proceed without sowing seeds of discontent with the movers and confusion which could lead to the violence you pretend to be averting.
If the impeachment process fails, it would have been tried and failed. Let it fail peacefully.
Pls, these in -fighting within the country won’t take us anywhere as a Nation. Sata, honestly, is this the reasong you called for a pact with HH? Come on, be serious!! we have more serious issues to talk about other than this bloody impeachment child -play thing, OK. I wonder when u (Sata) will stop fighting friends in your life. I thank God for making u grow too old to fast and sooner or later, u will have no energy to even open your mouth.
VJ keep quiet and instead rest in peace.
Geeeeeeeeeeeeese!!! The pact has really lost it. How about channeling your energies into something constructive and pertinent to your survival as a legitimate Party/Pact? Please, quite wasting people’s time with this nonsense and start organizing for 2011. Desperation is written all over this whole impeachment crap that you guys pushing. Even the blind can see it!!!
Iwe #75 with that flag, where you at play house yesterday? Just because someone has a degree doesnt make them presidential material, if you were there, can you share what he talked about? E.G improve the healthcare sector and job creation?
Surely there must be more important things to do for Zambia. These opposition politicians have been infected with a dangerous virus and want power at any cost! At the rate they are going, they will burn Zambia. Michael Sata now behaves like a love-sick obsessive maniac who says to his spouse ‘If I do not have you, nobody will.’ He thinks Zambia is his personal property. Now, I understand why Levy threw him into prison. He is a danger to national security. Perhaps he derives pleasure on inflicting pain on others or having it inflicted on him. His behavior is nothing but sado-masochistic.
What did Prof Chirwa do at Mechanical Service Board?
Bear in mind that as diverse as we are as human beings, similarly, such is the diversity of our interpretation of spoken and written word. This is the reason why we all seek recourse to the courts of law to help us reconcile our differences in interpreting what is usually the same statement but interpretated differently basically on account of where we stand in the argument. And it is common for us humans to interpret statutes and articles of the same constitution to suit our desires. It is also for the same reason that we have many churches, who all read the same Bible, but interpret its word differently. Such is the diversity of understanding the word by human kind. Because, if our understanding of the meaning of written and spoken word was the same, we would not need arbitration.
SAINT,
What did prof chirwa do for MSD?i dont know because then in kaunda’s time all parastatals were afloat.but at least i know what he has done for NASA,BOEING,AIRBUS
#89 chintomfwa
i gave you a perfect answer but true to their draconian ways and cowardice aba abiche ba LT have spiked my thread and boyi don`t be deceived by the flag iam home
VJ and Dan Kalale (ECZ) Director are like political dinosaurs. When they reappear on the scene just know the stakes are very, very high…..!!!! The sooner they can suffer from strokes the better………
What are the PF/UPND policies on the economy, health and HIV/AIDS, agriculture, environment, women, education, rural areas, infrastructure, communication etc.? As a Zambian it would be great to be given the opportunity to discuss real issues instead of cheap politics and watching people salivating just because they are so hungry for power. Perhaps the opposition should look at what happened in Malawi. The opposition tried all sorts of tricks to bring the Mutharika administration to a stand still but paid heavily for it in the last elections.
PACT supporters, here is free advice….!!! Although grounds for impeachment are not very strong, advise HAKA-SATA to tactifully withdraw the impeachment citing the Chief Justice CJ saga which needs to be cleared first. You can justify this by saying that even if we impeached RB and had another election, there is no ‘valid’ CJ to swear the presido in. Meanwhile if this is logically concluded, it can add ammunition to the impeachment drive……….!!!!!
VJ dont dismiss the impeachment process thru media. You should find ways of coming out of it. When is this man going to stop playing games with Zambians. The chap is finished, nature is catching up with him at a faster rate.
One thing for real, the same PACT is a hoax,and one has to asses his brains to support it.how for heavens sake do we romove tetamashimba and the MMD only to settle for the likes of Kambwili.who can point out which MP in PF can be said to be inspiring and can articulate the vision of this country?mumbi phiri or elizabeth chitika.maybe in UPND i can point out the likes of Hachipuk,jack mwiimbu and the other few other wise replacing MMD with the pact will be like substituting human excrete with cow dung
Ok ,now the POST has online extracts from the profs yesterday`s presentation.those who have access can now log in and get the sense and by the way post online is now free.so you can spend as much time as you can digesting the profs presentation it`s just a pity the question and answer session is not captured in full yaliwama.meanwhile PF president has also grabbed the
headlines as ussual speaking for the voiceless.this time he is on George kunda`s throat .
In all these the loser is HH. Sata knows his life is coming to an end. He’s an old man and he is aging. Old age cannot be reversed. He is dragging HH down with him. HH may live to regret this association with Sata. If the Pact doesnt work, HH may not survive politically.
This impeachment story has all the hallmarks of Sata. I would struggle to find HH’s finger prints on it.
Dear # 3,
Your Prof.Chirwa’ s political vagabond life is inconsequential.I have one or two advices for him based on the National security Act:
(1)-Better stop wasting his time until he proves a patriot beyond blogs and tabloids.
(2)-To win the national interest test for Presidency, Chirwa better see the importance of getting his dear wife sever her generational covert working ties with Russia’s KGB. She must unreservedly shift her loyalty to Zambia for Zambian national interest and not Russia. He could be considered if that liability factor is empirically proven broken off. To be President is not like being a faculty member in another country during which your spouse covert ties are not issues as long as they don’t hurt the host country.
If the UK ever found her undermining their national interests, surely Chirwa could have been long declared a PNG. But the same cannot be the case with a national executive office.Chirwa wants to be President with a wife still working for the KGB. Zambia national and foreign interest would be hurt and influenced by the KGB hands through the wife using a husband with immunity if such a miracle ever happened. Foreign treaties and conventions would all be on the dictates of the Russians through their agent.
On those ground, I don’t see how Zambian voters, MMD delegates to the convention and above all the Zambian National Security establishments would buy this bleach in Chirwa.I challenge Chirwa to address this concern I have raised as a patriotic citizen. He should prove that his wife has…
Clive Chirwa should prove that his wife has never served the KGB and severed the generational working ties.
Just to assist those blinded by the title Professor in Clive Chirwa (PhD,UK) with regard to the Presidency of Zambia ambition following the revelations that he himself outlined yesterday now portrayed to the whole world by the POST.
Firstly, the brother is an opportunist who is following in the direction of Zimbabwean Deputy Prime Minister (Prof.) A. Muthambara (sp?) following his ““Me; coming up with another party is no starter because there are so many political parties. If I have plan B, I will join another party where I feel I will greatly contribute to the future of this country,” Prof Chirwa said”
Serious people like late UPND president A. Mazoka formed their own parties and made sure the party succeeded in winning haerts of many Zambians.
According to the Zambian National Security Act of 1973, Clive Chirwa is a security breach himself and cannot serve in any Zambian public office excerpt on the internet blogs and tabloids.
My claim that Clive Chirwa is an opportunist can further be qualified by “Asked if he would accept a deputy ministerial position like lands deputy minister Michael Mabenga, Prof Chirwa said he would accept any position for the service to the nations” from the POST. The Zimbabwean D. Prime Minister joined the ranks of the opposition and caused division in the MDC and in a way managed to secure his new government position in the UNITY ruling system in his country.
Dr Clive Chirwa’s “However, most people who attended the discussion disagreed with Prof Chirwa when he said President Rupiah Banda had from day one followed late president Levy Mwanawasa’s development policies” according to the POST further shows that the man is looking for a job as an opportunist.
Even Dr Clive Chirwa’s “On President Banda’s performance, Prof Chirwa said the President was in a difficult position in that he might not be seen to deliver because he had not been intertwined with current affairs” according to the POST shows that he is trying to win sympathy from President RB Banda so that he may probably get a chance to contest the presidency of MMD at the upcoming MMD convention.
Now that this opportunism method has been highlighted, I would like to warm the UPND-PF PACT to carefully monitor Dr Clive Chirwa’s possible leadership opportunism in their parties. In my first POST quote in #105, Dr Chirwa says he will only join other parties when his ambitions are shuttered in the MMD. This shows that he has little or no principles over his politics stand.
That is probably why he has the audacity to mention “Our Parliament is a mess and a great shame to the intellectuality of this nation. Very few in Parliament are good and deserve to be there acting on statutory instruments and hence participate in formulating real legislations of substance” … Many are a waste of space and must be purged let alone receive unwarranted gratuities” according to the POST about elected representatives of the people in 150 Constituencies of Zambia.
While some of our elected MPs are Grade 9, 10 (Form III), 12 (Form V) or Form IV school leaves, it is not sensible to call the Parliament as being in a mess as those people were voted for by Zambians after their hard campaign work.
Lastly the POST indicates that Dr Clive Chirwa said “Prof Chirwa said ministerial positions were being given to people who could not read, write or even carry out comprehensive debates in Parliament and to the outside world” and so what is his position on the qualification of MP and President of Zambia in terms of literacy as the Constitution stipulates, if I may ask?
If Dr Clive Chirwa is to join the UPND-PF PACT, what would be his position on PF political party self-appointed leader MC Sata who is alleged to have only reached Sub B (Grade 2) or Standard 4 (Grade 6)?
Thus, the UPND-PF PACT must be very careful lest they invited division and destruction in their high ranks.
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Continuing on Thus, the UPND-PF PACT must be very careful lest they invited division and destruction in their high ranks. Zimbabwean Prof. A Muthambara (sp?) from USA I believe managed to break MDC then under humbly educated Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai into two factions — one for the intellectuals I think and the other for real opposition sympathisers. Interesting enough he made head way politically and is now Deputy Prime Minister.
After all these lessons in our vicinity as Zambia, are we going to allow someone who does not want to work hard for a political party just to take leadership of a Country on a silver plate?
Think people.
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LT what about this 500 katwishi error am encountering.poseniko amano twasuke abantu
Kwathukummawa #85 & 92 I like the way you analyse issues, thanks for your contributions.
OK nomba,PATRIOT you are bluffing.if mrs chirwa was a KGB covert,the HOME OFFICE would have known and at the height of Britain-Russia diplomatic differences definately they would have expelled her like what they did to the diplomats and prof has got no time for blogging like me you and maestro so you can’t accuse him of seeking popularity from the bloggs because he doesn’t participate at least on LT.we who have faith in him are the ones who bring his name on the blog so dont smear him with filth.
HAKUCINCHA,
ask HH to as well hold a forum at lusaka play house and see if he is even going to fill it up. Prof when asked if he can accept the post of deputy minister was just trying to underscore his non selective passion of serving zambia when he said he can accept.in real sense he can’t accept and he can deny the offer in a more diplomatic way that the capital which HH may want to make out of it.
115 AKAPONDO greetings and stop panicking. Following your “Prof when asked if he can accept the post of deputy minister was just trying to underscore his non selective passion of serving zambia when he said he can accept.in real sense he can’t accept and he can deny the offer in a more diplomatic way that the capital which HH may want to make out of it” and “Come january 2010 he’ll be lecturing at UNZA” in #83, your man is just looking for a job after there was nothing more to offer probably in the UK.
However, this is normal and good for him and may be the Nation.
As for me, I am a supporter of the UPND-PF PACT.
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Hakucincha,
the prof has informed the Bolton university authorities of his intentions to leave at the end of this year and there is a lot of resistance. They can not let him go and being the third in the hierachy he is indespensable.he is like christian ronaldo wanting to leave manchester united.and maestro the prof does not need a zambian job to survive.he has already made his clean money.he didn’t need to defraud an ailing parstatal to earn his bucks no.imagine how much does the american senate pay him when they consult him.how much did he earn from AIRBUS when they consulted him the time they were designing the A380.so you think the peanuts of zambia can move him.come back to reality my brother.petty envy will choke you.otherwise you are right to say that it will be good for the…
117 AKAPONDO, what petty envy are you writing about for I am using facts from DClive Chirwa’s own words as produced by the POST inclusing your own writing. On your “the prof has informed the Bolton university authorities of his intentions to leave at the end of this year and there is a lot of resistance… he has already made his clean money.he didn’t need to defraud an ailing parstatal to earn his bucks no… so you think the peanuts of zambia can move him“, check your own “What did prof chirwa do for MSD?i dont know because then in kaunda’s time all parastatals were afloat” in posting #93 and write how CLEAN Dr C. Chirwa is?
Be blest.
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so where are you getting comfused Hakucincha?
“WORKS and supply minister Mike Mulongoti is a buffoon and a twit, former defence minister George Mpombo has charged.”
TRUE AND TO THE POINT, MPOMBO.
Its only blood thirsty thugs, vagabonds, murderers, and the likes of the Mexican Manic Drug (MMD) barons see blood even where none is in sight.
Bus stop thugs masquerading as intellectuals, Scaremongers, MMD propaganda instruments and bootlickers seem to be the only ones seeing blood. How on earth would there be spillage of blood simply because of an impeachment? Why would there be spillage of blood a for sacking an errant President, if not only in the sick heads of MMD scaremongers?
119 AKAPONDO . You have not made sense in your “so where are you getting comfused Hakucincha? Also, your English Language is appalling. Do you perhaps mean confused in the quoted question? Did you reach and pass Grade 12 exams under Examination Council of Zambia? I am concern following your failure to frame a question, let alone used correct English words. Kindly, re-read my posting and respond to my question about the CLEAN in light of 91 THE SAINT‘s “What did Prof Chirwa do at Mechanical Service Board?” following your response 93 that I have given in 118 above and the petty envy insinuation.
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Delusioned Hakucincha,
If mine is appalling,where does that leave yours? Yours is equally disjointed.you are no master at it and thy the hell do you brag so much when the only thing you went to study there is the bible.cant for once blow off your trumpet and come down to earth where you belong to.
Hhe hhe hhe hhe …, I am very much down on Earth only that I am being supported by a chair reaction upward force which is opposing my weight (W = mg, where m is my mass and g is the acceleration due to gravity) — Newton’s 3rd Law of motion in Physics.
Look at what you are doing to yourself. Now, you are panting in lieu of answering my questions to you in a succinct maner. Anyhow, do not worry much as failure to respond sensibly simply shows that you have nothing concrete to make mention. Until the next time, I am off to sleep now.
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8 I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.
Zambia needs serious prayers for the Lord to shake and remove every incompetent and corrupt person in our country because many Zambians’ dreams and future have been stolen away from them. The kingdom of God has suffered violence and the violent shall take it by force Matthew 11:12. Believers need to be violent in the spiritual realm and bring down every wall in Zambia that have stolen Zambia’s wealth and prosperity. We need to let the lord fight our battles. Enough is enough , God did not create us Zambians to suffer like this. Please do not give the Lord rest until he establishes righteousness and justice in Zambia.
paster hakucincha,
A piece of free advise,find a proper mature partner who is morally upright and start quoting her for marriage.women are so essential in life when you marry correctly.she will be giving you very valuable advise and you will become a very good mature boy.all that foolish pride you have will disappear and you will come to have a balanced mind.in the end you will have a lot of friends.from a bible student you will even study more and become maybe a physicist as you always dream of.with motivation from your wife and your determination,you will even reach the levels like those of prof clive chirwa and professor yamba. If you want to be pompous it’s your own fault. ukabwelapofye ne chisushi
Maestro Hakucincha,
Come on,give us correct english.you are a master of the language after all.there is no sentence like i quote “to make mention” it’s either you say “to make” or “to mention” now you want to start cheating us with your english.you think we are wapped eh?i always tell you you can not graduate from being a bible student into a master in english language.you cant.so just concetrate in mastering those verses and stop impersonating what you are not.
125 AKAPONDO, I have always written to you that your English Langauge is very terrible and hence your “there is no sentence like i quote “to make mention” it’s either you say “to make” or “to mention” now you want to start cheating us with your english“. Just ask any one who passed Grade 12 examinations about the correctness of my sentence “… not worry much as failure to respond sensibly simply shows that you have nothing concrete to make mention” and you will be shocked how much of being ill-equipped you are.
Stop running around like a headless chicken and answer “What did Prof Chirwa do at Mechanical Service Board?” above.
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125 AKAPONDO, the more you run around like a headless chicken from responding to “What did Prof Chirwa do at Mechanical Service Board?” above and other questions, the more other people will inquire about your so-called CLEAN cleanliness of Dr Clive Chirwa which will expose your preferred candiate and ultimate shutter his dreams to serve Zambia probably as President. Nkhani yalula, baba (data has become tricky, my fellow citizen) due to your being excited for nothing. Check at what you are doing to yourself now. By the way, there were more vehement English deficient persons before whom I educated and don’t worry you are not the first on on here LT.
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mwanga umufyashi talemoneka bwino.kulwala nangu kukula .iam saddened .in as much as he is crooked ,he has a place in our political history.i remember reading about him being considered one of the upcoming african future leader.wonder what happened to that .
Hakucincha,
MSD which is now ESCO is still in existence because big brains like prof and Brig general were there and they steered that company
to greater heights.and what did HH do at LIMA BANK were he was a liquidator?
131 AKAPONDO good that you have come to senses on challenging me English-wise. On your “MSD which is now ESCO is still in existence because big brains like prof and Brig general were there and they steered that company to greater heights” I will wait upon those who know more data about your claims and The SAINT‘s question release the true position.
As for “and what did HH do at LIMA BANK were he was a liquidator?” I am not a spokesperson for president HH neither am I related to him and so go ask him or someone else not me.
Have a good day and regards.
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ok maestro hakucincha,tommorrow is sabath,rest well.me it’s friday njikatata.my friend just brought me some viagra and it’s 1 2 testing.so dont disturb mwana.
Can someone please impeach that old ass mother***ker