The 27 opposition Patriotic Front (PF) Members of Parliament threatened with expulsion by their president Michael Sata for registering to participate in National Constitutional Conference (NCC) have asked the Lusaka High court to grant them a permanent injunction to restrain their leader from expelling them.
The Members of Parliament are also asking the court to, in the meantime, grant them an interim injunction, pending trial of the matter, to restrain Mr. Sata, his agents or servants from going ahead with the intended action to expel them.
Kasama Central MP, Saviour Chishimba and his Shiwang’andu constituency counterpart, Celestino Chibamba, filed the affidavit in support of the summons for the interim injunction on behalf of the other 25 MPs in the Lusaka High Court yesterday.
The duo filed an application for an injunction against Mr. Sata in his capacity as party president and Mr. Edward Mumbi in his capacity as Secretary General of the PF.
The 27 MPs are contending that they should not be expelled because they were elected members and had an unalienable duty to participate in the deliberations of the NCC.
They said in their affidavit that their party president, Mr. Sata, had consented to the concept of the NCC and allowed all his MPs, including the 27, to participate in the discussions of the conference bill in parliament.
They said therefore that the sudden change of mind by their president would hinder them from using their democratic rights as MPs to be part of the NCC for reasons only known to himself.
“We have come to this court to ask for a permanent injunction to restrain the defendant either by himself, his servants or agents from implementing what he has threatened to do, to seek damages for the inconveniences caused in threatening to do so,” they said.
The MPs further said an interim injunction should be granted to them to avoid being subjected to what they termed undue hardships which could not be compensated for by an award of damages.
NOW ZAMBIAN CAN KNOW WHY SATA WAS NOT ELECTED AS THE PRESIDENT OF ZAMBIA IN THE LAST ELECTIONS. HE IS SURROUNDED BY EVIL MPs WITH SECRET AGENDA(MONEY ON THE MIND) MMD KNOWS THAT SOME MPs FROM SATA’S CAMP WANTS ONLY MONEY. ONCE SATA FIRES THEM FROM THE PARTY. THE MMD WILL DROP THEM FROM NNC. AGAIN THE MMD WILL WINS AGAIN.
Money is sweet.These MP’s are sellout who only want money and do not want to serve the people.
Stop boys! I think Chisataumwine has kicked his bowls because the court can not rule in favor of the MPs. This is playing around with the integrity of the nation. SATA you cannot win sympath like that. The money should not be the issue anymore because he himself testified during the run up to 2001 elections giving MMD to buy 150 vehicles for campaign. We have not forgotten this. He want to exzonaret himself from evil.
The high court can not grant a permanent injuction. What law school did their layer attend? An injuction is a legal instrument granted in the interim to suspend all proceeding while the court evaluates the case. What is interesting here is that Hon Sata has not expelled the MPs so there is legally no case or damage for the high court to consider. Mr Sata has to first expell the MPs and then sue him. Remember the FTJ third term MPs ? well there is law protecting MPs from party insurbordination…
If you dont like what the party stands for just quite and join MMD or HH. There is always room for one more in MMD.
#3 Easy,
As MMD national Sec. Sata could help his party raise money to buy vehicles, that is not evil. What is evil is going against your electrol promises to voters, and your party leadership for personal enrichment.
# 5 Socretes,
you are right. Ask Chimumbwa
The ball has started rolling.
#3, the word is ‘exonerate’;
Chimumbwa is gone, Nakazwe is gone Musonda mwaume is gone Machungwa and company will soon be gone. These guys should have called a meeting with the PF CC to see if it can re evaluate its position on the NCC question. All Hon Sata is saying is that if we cannot equitably represent our people then we will not be part of NCC. The NCC will only serve one objective in its current state. Thats legally currupt NCC members using public funds to fufil LPMs selfish ambitions.
Sata himself is not an elected leader….interesting that he is in a fight with elected representatives of the people!!
I really wonder if Cobra understands the basic tenents of democracy….and this is a man some people think can rule us FAIRLY !! Someone once said……..be careful what you wish for !!
Analyst mz english doda thank zou for your correction. You some of us went just up to standard 2 so we just write the way we pronounce the words. Sure if PF is not care it will be left of this national duty by the time they be in power some would have been old men and no one will vote for them. There is phrase which says: If you cant beat them fight from inside. It could have been ideal for the PF to fight from within like UPND. This would have made impact the same way you debate in parliament.
Remember Chakomboka look PF is not the only opposition. Winning Chilonga constinuency doesnt grant victory for entire country.
Sata is not elected PF President. He is just an old silly dictator with rotten teeth and smelling of ‘Bhalani’ Tobbaco.
His MPs are thugs who jumped on the Bwato Band-wagon and it is not a surprise they have followed the wind.
the only good thing about these MP thugs is that, they are teaching the old silly Sata that, your time is up. Sata you wont win the all the by-election if conducted..Your party will soon be reduced to less than 25MPs..
The question of NCC has nothing to do with how democratic Sata is. Its about insurbodination. When a political party takes a stand , all members should obey.PF Central commettee comprises mostly MPs. Why did they elect not to participate in the NCC? If they have a change of heart first call a meeting with your members of the central commettee and vote to participate in the NCC. First deal with the party b4 you register or you are just causing confusion.
HE Sata, has a point to axe all indiscipline MPs who thinks about money which can be used to upgrade stds of schools, hospitals and/or oldage parents and orphans instead of selfish individuals who think about money.You former PF MPs you lack foresight and only see the present…IYOO KWENA mulalaba sana ifyo Chimumbwa apotele nokumulanga red card kuli ba SATA.Ba SATA we are all behind you.
Ba Jozeblinnah, wayamba mwanje, There is a buget for schools did you see the report in the newspaper today from independent persons. Ask Dr. HK ati kuya bebele 2011. Amadala will cry come to 2011 all those who have waited resources will not see relection we shall make sure they lose the election. Be it MMD or opposition. We are making a listen of those direct plunderers of govt funds. Votes are now aware of these political seekers.
Ni hau mah, all you good Zambian pepo giving chinese pepo like me job to move wheelbarrow. thenk you very much. Me, I don’t like Satanyhina how you say, only Mwanawazwa. Him good man for me.
Eric Hoofer was absolutely right when he said,”In a time of drastic change, it is the learners who inherit the future. The old timers (sata) find themselves equiped to live in a world that no longer exists.” Leaders of the furture will be those who will lead us to the next stage…Come 2011 new blood will definately be voted into office. kuyabebele king cobra bon voyage! Democracy comes with a price!
Eastern Power & Easy
Baice bandi you read what Lord Acton wrote about power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.This is the scenario Chuchu ayisangamo wowing pipo with cash that must be used for other targible projects wena ati Kufilila musenga pali NCC.Chuchu needs Spokes Chola and Prof PK to wisper to him ati mwana Zed does not need a stick to walk…(I guess Easy u got my point pantu iwee sometimes u need a cracking shift to grasp pts te?)
‘Expel anti-NCC PF MPs instead’
PATRIOTIC Front (PF) members of Parliament who have refused to attend the National Constitution Conference (NCC) should be expelled from Parliament, MMD information and publicity chairman, Benny Tetamashimba, has said.
Mr Tetamashimba said in a statement issued in Lusaka yesterday that the MPs that had refused to attend the NCC had broken the law and should therefore be expelled.
He said the MMD was disappointed with PF’s insistence to expel law-abiding MPs just to make them lose their parliamentary seats.
He said lawyers should advise Mr Sata to expel MPs who breached the Constitution and not those who followed the law and the duties that they were elected for.Mr Tetamashimba said the NCC recommendations would not be subject of a Cabinet white paper but would go straight to Parliament as a Bill and would be passed through all the necessary stages.
Eastern Power
I read Eric Hoofer book and you interpret it according to your own misunderstanding were he said”In a time of drastic change, the old is gone and the new is misquote by learners.”If that happens then the Old has to bounce back in the arena and show learners tactics of life before divisions hit the learners.Thus ba HE SATA is here to show MY country the right path in terms of politic which MMD govt has messed up.
20= Jozeblinna what do you more byelections more worst of monies. 27 Mps multiple by 15 Million from Prof Chirwa is equal pension for chiluba, KK, Gary Zulu, Gen Tembo, Kavindele, Mumba, SATA as minister without portfolio, Lupando Mwape is exact K405 000000 Billion
#24 Mwaice wandi Easy, bushe umukashi obe nga aku dribbula, kuti wayikalilila bukungulume ati new wedding will siphon money meant for food,beer,children education, medicare plus+ te? Man shall not live on bread only.Ask Bulenti Semukila(prof), he will tell u mwaice Easy and plz reduce visiting bars during “happy hour times”
#13 Easy
Quote:Winning Chilonga constinuency doesnt grant victory for entire country.
WHERE IS CHILONGA? ba Easy,kwana mwalisupa sana.I wonder why you are not FASTELE
The dice has been rolled? we shall wait and see what happens to king cobra?
#27 Ba Zambia
Nothing will happen coz HE is very intelligent and he’s now playing the cards closer to his chest making former PF MPs and Mulongoti wonder what will be flushed next. Watch the pace Ba Zambia!!!
Number 23! I read the updated edition? even the english is alot more simplified. besides you’re entitled to your own opinion/interpretion…. and good luck ba bwato as one can never to comfortable on water? advice your captain king cobra that his ship is heading towards a solid mountain of ice….aoochi!
Ba 23! iwe mudala you must have been around 40 when zambia got it’s independence? only ba kaponya and old timmers support sata. you are way too smart for kaponya. is that you on the picture page mubaafa?
#30 Eastern Power mwana wakwabo, am kaponya with a vision for MY country and support pipo with real vision like HE SATA.(meanwhile my ID is ba Joze and I cant use it any more.It’s blocked so chabe)
# 15,
Your reasoning is no different from that of your embattled “Petty Tyrant Sata”. Which Democracy you know of works by absolute subservience to tyranny? Democracy is about dissent. It’s up to the individuals to make a difference. Leadership is not individual, but system centered just like Democracy is only functional if it is indirect in a plural system. Sata’s confused thinking is based on a Direct system where he believes his thinking is absolute and for everyone to observe.
To be a true patriot is to hold the country,social grouping and their leaders to the ideals in a dignified manor than insults prone here. That is the only way you win an audience. Communication is a two way process. If years of insults have received no response in solution,its time for a serious self introspection.
Today Sata a “petty tyrant,” some calling him a pinche tiranos,for being a known fearsome, terror-inspiring individual,often physically or emotionally abusive, who wreak havoc on opponents that challenge his ways has lost lost both authority and power.The two are useful instruments in politics.It is typical of pinches tiranitos, to persecute and inflict misery on the lives of their dissenters though realistically they don’t generally or cause irreparable damage to worry democrats.
Magic is trick and pa in spanish refers to father, thus PATRICK means father of magic while Mwanawasa corundum is “mwawa sana” meaning too much failing.Now the name Patrick Mwanawasa stands for FATHER OF MAGIC BUT FAILURES.
It takes time for pipo to appreciate HE SATA his line of thinking.For any organisation there must be rules to be followed by its members and those who dont agree they form their organisations.Thus a leader and of course not a boss must premind his pipo above conduct
All you PF cadres here,I respect your immaturity, ignorance and baseless zest. Hear this, “Dissent is part of Democracy and Democracy is self correcting”.You cannot build a democratic entity under a culture of blanket passiveness. Sata’s lack of reasoning has killed PF. He has lost both Authority and Power. Authority is the ability to effect change and the ability to do so. Sadly, all swept by the mutiny in PF.27 MPs at one time erodes the mandate of a leader.The way forward is to a convention.
“NCC should look at age limit for presidency, says Mpombo”
I endorse this submission than the nationality clause Sata danced for in 1996 when he schemed to bar our founding father.I’m ready to co-sponsor this clause. Anyone that hits 70 years should be disqualified to stand for republican Presidency but free to lead his party legally.
When the post paper took a boycott of not publishing tidings on HE SATA, they made a loss and bent their stance.HE SATA is a charismatic leader who’s intelligence is beyond some of the bloggers here who only sit in armlock chair critise on anything that does not apt their eyes to view.Winston Chuchill once said “great men are like great nations”HE SATA is a great man. The Zed mass do regret for not electing him as the Head of MY COUNTRY though the truth was known that VJ played a part.Come 2011,
Yes, The way forward for the embattled PF is to courageously go for a convention.Any procrastination must see an instituted legal recourse in view of prevalent solid grounds.The PF CC must be restrained from any duty under an injunction until they draw a mandate from voters. In their current form of 6 years, they are an illegal entity. The pro intra-party democracy advocates should be rest assured of support from existing PACs for political contributions at a minimum tune of US $ 400,000.
#37 you still believe in game parks furry tales?
At least in my party there are some pipo like Willy Nsanda whom I dont like to continue being PF members BUT you #37 any riff-ruff under MMD ticket is tip-top.Yangua shukulupragmast.
So Pragmatist, you also reached 72 nishi you will stop blogging and settle in Chamba Valley and start ploughing with your 6 john deere tractors te?
I wonder why outsiders get interest in matters that do not even need them to air their views instead of their party that is lossing direction on inviting Katumbi as an infestor in MY country.#40 shut up !!!
#41 ERRATUM
I wonder why outsiders get interest in matters that do not even need them to air their views instead of CONCERN about their party that is lossing direction on inviting Katumbi as an infestor in MY country.#39 shut up !!!
As much as the MMD is in a solid representation at Manda hill and independently vote without reprisal on nationalistic bills, the Machungwa/ Chishimba group already in majority of PF MPs should study and consider endorsing the “age limit clause” for Presidency. Our senior citizens at that age should be accorded a last role of advisory than a challenging job of Presidency.
This must be supported and adopted
“NCC should look at age limit for presidency, says Mpombo”
There is no value in labelling Sata dictator. As a party PF resolved long before not to attend the NCC coz Zambia already has had numerous contitutional submissions (Mwanakatwe, Mvunga & Mung’omba) from which a good constitution can be derived from. Remember LPM wants to use every avenue to weaken the opposition. PF should have consorted amongst themselves about how to get LMP’s money and still maintain its stance on on the matter. That was going to be a win-win situation for all.
Pragmatist
Age limit is not an issue but politics of poverty seems to overtaken the course and reducing once committed patriot pipo to a situation of which part of bread has more butter?I can be 69 and barely a week in office and become 70. Then what will be next? Thus the all issue of age limit is nonsense of which pipo of your age should not even entertain.
Yes, 6 years without a voters’ madate is an act of illegality and solid ground for legal recourse.The pro intra-party democracy advocates should be rest assured of support from existing PACs for political contributions at a minimum tune of US $ 400,000 unconditionally at your disposal to foster intra party Democracy.Friends of Democracy have already contributed and are willing to pump in more.Those that will go for party Presidential position nominations have a free US $ 275,000 support from PAC
#39 ignorance can be contangious. Dont spread it around like that.
In your right mind do you think LPM would have allowed PF to exist for 6yrs if it was illegal. Grow man.
#24 please proof-read your bloggings before. You can do better mate.
# 45,
If you have some human brains and ability to comprehend debates and think out side your box hear this,”Leadership is not individual,but system centered”.The focus should not be whether Pragmatist is a benefactor or not to public policy. You are younger than me the former play mate of your father.I expect you to see wisdom in giving leadership to the youthful. It is scriptural to do so.The era of stone throwers is replaced with economic drivers
Bane ala nine ba joze, nomba naya mukunua ku bar ukuli happy hour.gOOD nIte/gOod moRNIng
#48
in term of European soccer, best coaches are those who are about 70.if these coaches are considered as leaders then they have a charm that make them tick.My big man Pragmatist I think I know you now. Peace big man
# 47
Yours in the first line is a perilous process of illusions you’re empirically stuck with.I advise you appreciate the need for deconstructing your “Delusional ideation”. Where’s my ignorance and your knowledge there? That reasoning is symptomatic of schizophrenia. You risk sustaining some emotional damage for nothing when facts are there for all to validate. What convention did your boss go through that missed my alertness?
In my summary and counsel on PF and your embattled Petty Tyrant Sata:
-Dissent is part of Democracy
-True patriots challenge their leaders in times of departure from Democratic ideals
-Deferring too much power and authority in unelected leader destroys democracy
-Leadership is not individual,but system centered
-Democracy cannot be Indirect Democracy with all vested in a petty tyrant
-Democracy is self correcting not expulsions in the face of dissent
-Votes give mandates & Legitimacy
#51 enganging in big words does not make u pragmatist. Just goes to show your very low levels of esteem. Pipo like you want to show the rest of the world that you know someting yet you are an empty tin sounding loud-with too rethoric fit for cadres like Mulyata. We all know that you are a failure so concetrate picking up life skills than engage the masses without words-and thought. We shamo we
I hope you have found my summary for the week on the embattled Sata resourceful. Face it, Sata has been politically undermined and his recovery has gone to the moon. The dissidents represent 51% of PF MPs. It will cost Sata more than money to repair himself politically. Meanwhile MMD is realigning itself operation wise. Billions, logistics and human capital will be aplenty, all readied for the 2011 battle lines way ahead of time. Political efficacy through strategic planning adds the momentum.
Bwana Muntuza # 53,
Yes sir, I’m a failure and an empty tin which the rest of you people of invisible achievements(we all know about). Doesn’t that give you an opportunity to dance over and deny of any support my family ever draw from you? I’m at peace like still waters with all the failures you know about me.No counter punches i hope that gives you a human face and chance count yourself.
I realize the truth pains and you detest with contempt to see it in your face. Regrettably i stand for it
# 47 & 53,
Yours in the first line is a perilous process of illusions you’re empirically stuck with.I advise you appreciate the need for deconstructing your “Delusional ideation”. Where’s my ignorance and your knowledge there? That reasoning is symptomatic of schizophrenia. You risk sustaining some emotional damage for nothing when facts are there for all to validate. What convention did your boss go through that missed my alertness?
Who said a president of some party is not supposed to be challenged?
Your reaction in # 53 aside, answer my Question above. I realize I’m too sober for you. Secondly be advised that success is quantitative (It is measurable). So when you vainly belabor to apply your Pull Him Down (PHD)out of “Delusional ideation”evident in you, i just sympathize your internal strife and envy considering that it has been coded for life pain as God fulfills his promises to those you hate.I beat you have totally missed it and i have no reason whatsoever to shame you.
# 57,
Read # 15
The Pf has the right to deal with those MP’s in any way it sees as fit. The MPs have betrayed the voters and the party. MMD is getting less and less popular. In 2001 they got 90% in Nchanga. In September 2006 they got 23%, in November 07 they got 20%. PF is getting stronger. So those who stood on PF, if expelled today will never regaing thier seats.
Ba Pragmatist, we know you are a theoretician or a kind of philosopher. Mutundza is just advising, like most of us has done to you before. Be simple. Most of the time you have interesting points, but you keep on frustrating some debators. Its becomes even more interesting when people write in Bemba or Chinese, than you “artificial” english. Sorry sir, with due respect, take your time to understand why people are getting pissed off. Be at peace with friends, if you what to be a modern leader.
The PF MPs are just scared and don’t what to go for confession. As it goes “..the guilty are always afraid”. Mr.Chilufya Sata, only thought of “punishing” those PF MPs on NCC, but never said he will never listen to them. Why run to the highest court, before even approaching Sata’s advisors, or even the party chairman if any? Chilufya can be humble sometimes, if this happened in MMD!? Some would be have be preparing for mukobeko
Muntuza (53),
I realize how painful political debates can be if one like you locked infatuation of imaginary hopes suddenly find yourself in a critical frank debate that takes the toll at the peak of a crisis. This is why I have been imploring for magnanimity in debates among you all our kids. I have seen nothing personal in all articles of the humble but straight debating Pragmatist that could evoke a normal person into fists of fury on the blog.
Muntuza (53),
Personally, I congratulate Pragmatist for his humility in response that has instead exposed you and your unwarranted rage as a confused kid over incensed on frank lines. You better mature in plural politics where dissent is rife because it exposes interested parties to realists than your infatuation.
Muntuza (53),
I have read through all listed articles below and find nothing out of context or difficult for a learned mind to comprehend. Potentially your expectation has been to have no input of the MMD loyalists at any level. Such an expectation in Pragmatist’s own words is indeed a Delusional ideation at worst judgment. That is where you intellect, prowess and success story tears itself into pieces. The humble Pragmatist comes out more of a rational Genius.
32, 33, 34, 36, 37, 39, 43, 46,
Bravo Pragmatists for your straight talk. I concur with you in all your articles below. PF and Sata are indeed in a serious quagmire. Rational judgment is a must.
#66 the debilitating disease that Mulyata sufferes from is also present in you. It has no medical term but suffice if we call it bootlicking. It has tendecies to manifest in senior citizens, attacking them when they attempt to logically think thereby rendering them senile. Apparently it has no cure. ADVICE: senior citizens are adviced to shut it up especially when in the public domain.
Muntuza,
I have already nailed it down that your situation calls for sympathy than reaction.When we built institutions of democracy and freedom that has locked you in schizophrenia, we did so with a vision that you could be a human being and fit in the prevalent political and social order.It was not and is not in personal interest or to worsen your Genetically induced insanity inherited from the Generations you could trace. I repeat, welcome to politics of diversity and devotion.
I have restrained myself from commenting on this subject but rather opted to amuse my self by reading postings from Joseblinna, Muntuza and another misguided youth King David whitch are full of pitiful hero worhiping. On the other hand i am encouraged by rich intelligent postings from Pragmatist and Senior citizen.
While Sata and his minions are busy fighting the MPS over the NCC, FTJ is gradually gaining a stronger hand in control of PF.
Over the last few yers Chiluba has been trying unsuccesfully to gain a foothold on the political scene through sponsorship of parties under Dan Pule and Chitalu Sampa.What an opportunity that Sata picked as his MP the Chiluba loyalists such as Dr Xaviar Chismba, Dr Peter Machunga, Celestina Chibamba and Rev Sampa Bredt.It is these same MP who are leading the rebellion.
#69
I am as misguided as the facts that I post are. All I am doing is quoting statistics that are there for all to see, read and verify. How misguided is that?
Pragmatist & senior citizen is one and the same person, trying to praise himself. SHAME ON U OLD MAN. At 72 you suppose to retire and not blogging alnight long. What time do you please kanakulu ntekwe kobe.
We should boycott the next elections?
Go to hell who care if you boycott elections? If anything, you have never contributed anything to our national unity, purpose, identity and values you perverts.
Hah, hah, haaah, everywhere it’s Kafwafwa for PF. On the ground, Parliament and in the cyber space it’s all kafwafwa, name calling and accusations. What comes out their conventions if any? Another UNIP Namayami crisis?
I WANT TO CONGRATULATE LUSAKA TIMES FOR THE GOOD WORK YOU ARE DOING BY INFORMING THE WORLD OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR GREAT NATION ZAMBIA.
ALLOW ME TO SAY SOMETHING CONCERNING NATIONAL CONSTITUTIONAL CONFERENCE WHICH IS GOING ON DESPITE ALL THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED.PEOPLE PARTICIPATING IT MUST ASK THEMSELVES AS TO WHOSE INTEREST THEY ARE DOING IT.AS FOR THE MPS WE NEED TO MARK THEM AND LET THEM KNOW THAT AS ELECTORATES WE ARE THEIR EMPLOYERS.LET US AIM AT BUILDING ZAMBIA AS A PEOPLE.