President Mwanawasa has challenged United Kingdom, UK – based MMD party presidential hopeful, Professor Clive Chirwa to start his campaign from branch level.
Dr Mwanawasa said professor Chirwa lost Zambian domicility because he has been out of the country for 20 years.
He said for Professor Chirwa to aspire for party presidency, he should pass through party regulations from branch, ward and constituency, through to district and national levels.
Dr Mwanawasa wondered how Professor Chirwa could think that people in the country are not capable of choosing a successor among themselves.
“He cannot just come from nowhere to teach us what to do. He has been in the UK for 20 years and the MMD is not the same. He has to learn all party activities from branch level,” he said.
President Mwanawasa has called on the MMD to elect corrupt-free people to leadership positions at all levels of the party.
At a public rally to wrap up his Christmas and New year holiday in Mfuwe yesterday, Dr Mwanawasa warned that he would not support any candidate who has a track record of corruption.
He said one of the major tasks he has is to ensure that he provides guidance to the nation as president of the party and the country.
The President added that he wanted a successor who would continue the fight against corruption from where he would have left in 2011.
He said the fight against corruption has restored the country’s dignity and helped Zambia reach the Highly Indebted Poor Countries Initiative Completion (HIPC) point which has resulted in Zambia’s huge debt burden being written off by international creditors.
“I direct the provincial party chairman to ensure that no corrupt person assumes party position through the back door at any level. We have achieved a lot in the past and I don’t want us to lose what we would have achieved by 2011,” he said.
Dr Mwanawasa warned the MMD against being used by selfish politicians who want to assume leadership corruptly.
Why is Levy scared of Prof. Chirwa? Is MMD really democratic? Is Levy a man of rules and laws? Why won’t he allow MMD cadres choose a leader of their own as we saw it in South Africa recently. He says “he should pass through party regulations from branch, ward and constituency, through to district and national levels”, but did he himself go thru all this. Wasn’t he in a slumber when Thief Chiluba hand picked him? Well probably that’s the way of MMD.
“did he himself go thru all this” End Quote.
(1),
LPM is a founder member MMD who risked his life, businesses, career and family in the front line for Zambia and the MMD at the time when every feared the vicious UNIP machinery. So what do you mean in your query if he started at the lower level?What lower level when he was the combatant in the frontier? Do you you know who was called Ichibumba during the revolutionary era? Who dared UNIP with free legal services to the revolution in Zambia?
“did he himself go thru all this” End Quote.
(1),
LPM is a senior founder member of the MMD who risked his life, businesses, career and family in the harms way for Zambia and the MMD at the time when everyone feared the then vicious UNIP. machinery.
where as you’ve only looked at “did he himself go thru all this”, did you also consider my other concerns?
Some of us have opted to ignore the Professor Clive Chirwa debacle for simple reasons.MMD is not a branch of the Post Newspapers for brother Fred and a certain ordinary cadre we know of being used to impose their preferred friends Chirwa. Hoping FACT will consider remarking some lines in the media along the way.All i can advise Professor Chirwa is if popular & a political maverick, consider pairing with Fred for a party.
(4),
When you are setting up an enterprise, do you give yourself a clerical portfolio leaving the executive roles to the winds? LPM was the epicenter of the revolution and the Hour legal part. He was the man that formulated all the legal clauses that shaped MMD. He fought UNIP in the trenches different from Ichilema who usurped the UPND Presidency from Mtonga, Saki,& Sichinga.Sata started PF and dressed himself the Presidency.
Mwaice Pragmatist you are still living in the 20th Century.Chapi told you correctly to pull yourself up to 21st Century.Chirwa must be accorded a clear platform to sell his ideas to MMD and of course this doesnot come cheaply, there must be some of reciprocity.Its pointless to start him from the stupid grassroots,what can he discuss with those party cadres?Let us move with change.When need the Obamafesto approach not your outdated way fo doing things and hero worshipping behaviour.
So to allude that LPM should have served democracy at the level of his sacrifice and bravely in the late 80s till the actual birth of the MMD in 1991, then leave his works to miniatures for a ward position in the party is too shallow of you. Have ever established your own enterprise under any national company act?
#8.MWaice Pragmatist you deserve more sympathy than anger.You are the people who have made the President think he owns the Party.Come on man we need to be pragmatic in our dealings.The person you are praising to me he is a failure and has done nothing to help the marjority poor but his thieving relatives and cohorts the likes of Mathani etc.He has just been in power for over five years,what has achieved? Corruption is now endemic such that we are seeing criminals being beatified as saints-Kashiw
(7),
Your problem is you think Education is synonymous with national leadership that presides over institutions of the Executive office of the Presidency.Malawi errored by importing Dr.Nkwazi Hastings Kamuzu from Scotland on delusion of his credentials.We all know what happened in Malawi.My advise is if Chirwa believes he has what it take to reign, let him pair up with brother Fred who enlisted him for MMD.Mobilize flyer by night cadres like you & put up a frontier.We have liberalized politics.
Education makes us become aware of things around us,wisdom is what make leaders.I have no doubt in Chirwa possesing both as opposed to your outdated buddies of yours.Exposure is the best remedy to effect change.Zambia has resources which are being misused to enrich the few.Am a believer of a bemba phrase(amano yalafuma mu fwesa yaya mu chulu).Of course Am not disregarding the grassroots but its what benefit will arise out of such union.Its just time wasting and energy misplacement.Advise LPM
(9),
The good news is that we have liberalized the Zambian political terrain. Thus, every Zambian is free to pitch himself against the MMD as a competitor on any platform.Forewarning is forearming. Professor Chirwa is better advised to forget about the MMD presidency in 2011 and strategize his trail from another platform period. MMD has never hired Fred to either identify it a leader nor play any role in its winning strategy.
Lets not waste our time, this is african politics we are talking about, the president of the party and country has the final say as to who succeeds him, so NO matter what, LPM`s man will lead the party, that is the way it works, not even the cadres have a say.
African politics thrives on the poor, that is why you find that any politicle party conference gathers the pooriest of the poor feed them, give them bedings to carry home and shake shake,and when you are pool you think through you stomach
What crime has Chirwa committed to announce his candidature within MMD?Liberalisation of politics means being able to accommodate divergent views , aspirations and opinions.The problem we have is there are too many kandiles(bootlickers) who even if the President said the color he was looking at was green despite it being violet everyone say ,”Yes” bwana actually its deep green.We dont need that.The President like anyother person owes it to the electorate and a such must not take things personal
(11),
MMD is not short of intellectuals unless pitched with those that learned from the moon. The party has enough strategists and policy analysts from economics to politics ideal to position the party & Zambians national interests. FYI, the party’s partners around the world have been generously sponsoring intellectuals young and old the world Universities all for continuity & polish up for resourceful leadership Zambia deserves.
young and old in the world Universities all for continuity & polish up for resourceful leadership Zambia deserves.
#13 Mwaice JB,you are behaving like the grovelling Mulyata.We should not condone the way things have been done for the past 43years.That is why every stage in life has its own attributes,otherwise we would be hjumping from birth to death.All things be equal one has to go through birth, development,maturity and then finally death.Our actions with resposnibility is always the death stage.We strive much to kill one another than build and develop one another.Jealous is what will kill our nation.
#15 Iwe mwaice,if we were to do some roll call, the only kids receiving outside education are those with links to state resources the likes of yourself.KK didnot segregate who goes to which Uni as long as you had the brains, but today everything is done in the back door.Your boss goes to handle over Ambulances to Chipata, is that surely necessary for the Head of State? He has more important things to attend to,pollution of water by Mopani in Mufulira that is tragedy calls for immediate reaction
(14),
Liberalization of politics does not mean the party has forfeited its moral duty & machinery of preserving party and national interest against infiltrators and counterfeit.The party President will always be someone a fit in the ideals. The GOP will never take a leftist or the Liberals a right winger for Presidency out of their conventions.The plutocrats of either sides have a serious leverage on preserving their party ideal.
#19 Mwaice wandi dont you believe that Levy has destroyed the democracy that was championed in 1991? He is actually worse than KK when it comes to torelance and understanding.He is the worst dicator Zambia has ever cloned. We need to redefine our country’s political platform and let you and me spear head the drawing of a new democratic reformatory college.We dont need vultures,fish eagles,sepernts,lions, cameolons etc in the management of both political and economical management of our resources
On Chapi’s comparison of the US politics to our Zambian one. In the first place,I appreciate the young man’s passion to learn & citations even over what he has no clue about.The American Democracy is by a two party system where ours is a multi-party.Though they stack with a bad electoral college system, their winner takes it all practice is not worth parroting for Africa(the 2000 Florida mess. Our winner takes it all has kept us at peace.The GOP & DNC conventions & PACs are 100% partisans.
#21 Mwaice Pragfimofimo this where you lose it all,Chapi was just trying to bring you to see things from a big perspective not myopic reasoning you want to allude to.We all understand the US political platform just like the UK(which has no written constitution)but is a strong multiparty.There is nothing wrong in his references.LPM has categorically stated that he will be irrelevant after 2011,meaning what ever he does between now and 2010, he doesnot put mind to it i.e.Spending K299bn on NCC
Its not only about Chirwa starting from the branch level, for one to come and stand for plot oe…he has to have been in the country for the last 20 years prior to plot one elections. This should not only come from LPM. Its something that every person intending to go for that position, and any other country-man should know.Its in Black and White. LPM is very much right. If Chirwa wants to contribute to the development of Zed,he is welcome to use other positions or avenues, not only from Plot 1
Okay mwaice wandi Pragfimofimo, it has been nice chatting with you but I would like to meet you in person.Am to off see JOZEBullina at Inters.Your friend Mulyata right now he gnashing and grinding his teeth in the dark after being sacked.Always be simple in life,on you way up remember the people you have left behind.The same applies to you Mwaice Pragfimofimo, you have grossly benefited from state resources let other in need do the same.
Good nite and God bless.
(20),
Those are your baseless innuendos the MMD will not invest time in to dispel.
“I direct the provincial party chairman to ensure that no corrupt person assumes party position through the back door at any level. We have achieved a lot in the past and I don’t want us to lose what we would have achieved by 2011,” he said.
Dr Mwanawasa warned the MMD against being used by selfish politicians who want to assume leadership corruptly.
How did he find himself at Plot 1? Bakolwe basekana ifipato.
#23 this is a food of thought for you mwaice wandi.
#25 Mwaice Pragfimofimo , the Litmus Test(PH scale) is coming in Kanyama and this will be a moment of truth for all political parties including party cadres of your calibre.
(24),
I hope you will consider expending your time wisely henceforth in the Diaspora towards maturity & realism so far missing in you. What is at hand is beyond Pols 101 where every jerk can assume having a clout. Start learning the art of Predictive statistic based on fundamental variables. Chirwa is better advised to contribute at a lower level than bootstrapping himself for MMD presidency.
Happy new year!
That Chirwa can be compared to this PRAGMATIST we have on this blog. LPM didn’t just express himself clearly, as usual. Zambia needs a president who understands the poor life-style of Zambian. Chirwa’s meta-physics will not help anyone, does he want to take Zambian to the moon? If he wants to help Zambian he can go and be minister of technology. Zambian need a people-oriented leader. We can start checking on Inonge, Mwanamwambwa or Fundanga maybe they can fit to be next president.
27),
That is where you miss it flat.Kanyama cannot be a PH-test for any political gains.You should know that liberal politics does not give ruling parties the opportunity to reign in capital cities.I don’t know if you have ever read any book on comparative politics for local & international rations.I can cite you Uganda,Senegal, Zimbabwe,Tanzania,Malawi,DRC,Benin and Ethiopia.The story is same.You could present a good paper for big money on this scenario to some IGOs active on democracy research
Pragmatist,do not be stubborn for nothing.Give us a name of an MMD cadre who can take up the mantle of being Rep.President.It appears you are deeply entrenched in a never ending dream.You are the same people who think LPM is a demi-God.To me you are just a dictionary-crazy critic who does not fully understand the words you use.From the time you started blogging, you have exhibited blind loyalty for MMD.Mwana education is a key ingredient in being well-informed about your surroundings.
Welcome bakamba baKUKU, whereas i dont support chuchu and his muppets, i think we need to be very careful with Chirwa. Talking about obamafesto, the difference between Obama and chirwa is that while the former is busy articulating his manifesto and vision for America, our professor is busy writing about latest cars. No one will vote for him because he’s an expert in auotomobile industry, hes need to put his act together that is if he is not making a mickey out of us. In short we dont know him.
#32 cont… he might even be kamuzu incarnate, you never know.
Well am just surprised at the Post how they have suddenly became a mouth piece for Mwanawasa. I had great respect for The post, but this kind of reporting of Mwanawasa being Noble. Leaves me in a lot of questions,To start with the other day LPM said he gave his brother Rajan Mahthani to procure oil coz it was national security, this is highly un ethical no matter what, that should not have happened there laid down procrdural,and there are so many Zambians I know who could do the same job was to
Mahthani,what Mwanawasa was saying was just in case this case shows up after his term he has already revealed it. But if corruption he preaches is to be dealt with effectively, that kind of business is what brews corruption and favoritism.
KCC,
Until you realign yourself with decency in your reasoning & discourse, i fear failure may remain static issue in you.Realism and idealism matter in life.They are the bedrock of all context & perspectives.FYI over seven years i have never put my hands on any type of dictionary whatsoever. You must be having a mechanized mind going by your charge.
Where is democracy? Is it an MMD policy to hand pick leaders? I would want to believe that a party that claims to be so democratic would leave it to its members to choose it’s leaders. Here again LPM is hand picking someone to replace him, does he have a bunch of stuff to hide like his predessor?
Pragmatist, as long as your contributions are always one dimensional, you will remain in the shadows of denial.You need to embrace diversity in reasoning.This is why our leaders fail to bring development.Any opposing view is met with arrogance.You and your fellow MMD cadres are devoid of any value.You boys need to appreciate the dynamism of politics.
#37 DIFILER oops! PROFILER, How do you expect LPM to be democratic when he himself was undemocratically elected/appointed? Infact he’s a product of corruption and dirty african politics of the highest order.
KUKU and KCC
This is the reason we need to enlighten BOOTLICKERS like PRAGMATIST that when they offer their daily briefings to LPM as SHUSHUSHUS they need to be objective and not economical with the truth obtaining on the ground.Remember how they misled LPM about the CHIMUMBWA fiasco.
We need a complete overhaul of this broken and non functional MMD gov system if we are to see any tangible development in the nation.Recycled politicians are incapable of bringing about such change.
Are we just afraid or not confortable of People who are educated and exposed at the same time.Does it only mean that only a person who has been pa zed for a long time without leaving it can rule?Does it mean that zedians abroad don’t feel it hard and unconfortable to see how others are easily developing while we are begging from they that develop due to our own role materials and services?Does it mean that when one is abroad,comes home to see alot of development on paper and less practically ..
then they feel much at ease?
SO happy with the president’s statement about Prof Chirwa but i don’t know how corruption has been linked to his desire.His excellency knows better anyway.I don’t know how we do work pa MMD,and i know not how prof Chirwa became a member,my only concern is that i know that his heart is equally burning as mine to see that when i came here most of the cities were villages,but for they that travel,and not they that know Countries in musical albums,can agree with me that
formulation and implementation of policies is such a great tool to any form of development including tuntemba and vikwati,corruption is being fought,infrastractural development is fighting back,foreign investiment home is being well done,imployement ,labour laws etc are sluggish.Funds are being released,poor quality maintenance is being practiced,analysis in its full view is done and implementation is not firm,Tili nama blocks yo nyamulila poto pa nkhuni ati tipike nsima ya kupya bwino,koma poto
niyobo woka “the pot is leaking”.The president alone can’t fight corruption he needs a multi disciplinary committee to help in.
It pains,it pains and it really pain also especially that we the young generations are not interested in politics or maybe no one seems to be willing to build us.Ok lets let the old guys do it in their own way.Happy new year.Just if Zambians like ba Chirwa let him go,if there is another capable guy,let him go too,,,Hero worshiping oops,can also help if those heroz are
Professor Chirwa should not give up? that is what the MMD did to late Mazoka? guess what… Andy formed his party and was robbed of the presidency. fortunately enough..thanks to our cowdice LPM is still president. Professor Chirwa come sell your ideas ….zambia is a free democratic nation. This will be the last term for an MMD president as people have lost faith in hour anyway.our alternative is not pa bwato..!it is also time for our generation to challenge the “cialis” generation.
welcome back kuku! nice to have you back. i knew you would back mudala. this is your turf…your home? simply ignore the idoicy and do what you do best?
man, African politics are so obvious, whoever the ruling president will directly oppose will become an instant hero. Mr. Clive Chirwa, being a clever and highly educated man that we’re all convinced if is, must be already celebrating this. he com even quit the MMD now and form his own and do exertionally well.
And you Kuku. stop calling others ‘mwaiche’ Lets respect each other here please.
32-33 Mala -musanawandalama\
We normally have different opinions on issues but on this one I agree with you 100%.You are reasoning like a true countryman.
Let us think like leberians who used their wisdom to elect Ellen Sirleaf with rich resume of public administration over George Wear a famous footballer and patriot but no administrative credentials. We know that Prof Chirwa is an emeritus in his field but that doesn’t equip him with public leadership skills.He could be another Kamuzu Band
zulu 83 (48),
I concur with your moral values though that should not bother you as seen by many compatriots addressed ‘mwaiche’.Being called ‘mwaiche’ does not bring one back to the kindergarten age long left to the last child.Some of us are already blessed with parentage of first borns in some Global Universities. We’re potential Grand parents.
zulu 83 (48),
A look at the passport files and submitted portrait copies of the three kids here calling their parents ‘mwaiche’ and insulting LPM would stunning you were they are heading to when by the time they hit your current age. They are kids without any trail of personal development though sadly resigned to their vacuous elementary level rhetoric.
would stun and leave you with the million dollar question, “where are they heading to” Shudder to think of the time they hit our current age.
If given a chance, PRAGMATIC can turn Muwelewele into a life-president of MMD & Zambia. Pragmatic fails to look beyond 2011. If MMD will have to maintain its relevancy to the politics and development of this country, time is now to start identifying men and women of high calibre. What sin has Prof. Chirwa committed that he has to be written off even before he starts? Answer: crooked people can not stomach a clean person taking over power for fear that they might find themselves in problems …
I conquer with pragmatist. Somebody cannot just resurface from nowhere and decide to be president of MMD. Ka pro. chirwa just form your own party if you want to stand for presidency. You will just be bruised ka guy.
Have you grown big headed with your professorship? Ask politicians here in Zambia and they will tell you how it is to try to reap where you did not sow. If some have sown without reaping, what about you? Who are you?
PREJUDICE IS BAD IN ANY SITUATION, LET THE PERSON FORWARD WHAT HE IS CAPABLE OF DOING THEN THE PEOPLE WILL DECIDE. WHATS THE FEAR FOR IN SOMEBODY MAKING HIS INTENTIONS KNOWN HE HAS EVERY RIGHT HIS ZAMBIAN WE TIRED OF RECYCLED POLITITIANS U SERVE AND NOT MAKE LIVING OUT OF POLITICS.
What recycled politicians. MMD has enough leaders to take over president. If he wants to prove himself, let him form his own party and the people will decide. To tell you the truth, he will not make in the MMD. period
#57 Whats wrong with Pro. chirwa seeking presdo office on MMD? MMD is not for family tree (chuchu tree) – its belongs to every zedians. Chuchu had left MMD long time ago and was just awaked up from deep sleep and was given the presidency on silver plate. Why did not start from the branch? Let him not make MMD a family money making orgnization.
YOU CAN NEVER SAY THAT THERE ARE OTHER PARTIES, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT OF CHOICE THE PROBLEM IN AFRICA IS QUALITY LEADERSHIP, WHY BECAUSE PEOPLE FEEL THAT ITS THERE BIRTHRIGHT TO BE IN THE MMD AND MIND YOU,U CAN NOT CLOSE THE DOOR TO ANYONE DONT SHUT THE DOOR TO HIS FACE BE OBJECTIVE LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY IF ITS CRAP THEN LOOK FOR OTHER ALTERNTIVES ITS 12 MILLION PEOPLE MIND U AND NOT A 100% PERFECT MMD.
chirwa is a foreigner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let him continue advising the bazunguz
Prof Chirwa boobed and showed his political novice by trying to jump the que of political vultures and strategist.
Ba Prof. You even made some statement which were all embarrassing like: You have been controlling white people: Indicating you are not a solution to the global world.
LPM is right on the Prof. We need him to contribute to Zambia, but not as a president yet.
Whoever fields Chirwa will find it difficult to sell him with stigmas of being a ‘Foreigner’. Chirwa is British Citizen.
Zambia is a rich poor country because of the ideas of people who think that only a Zambian who has lived in Zambia for 20 years should be eligible to stand for presidency of the country. Supporters of this dehumanizing & divisive idea are just afraid of losing their jobs and benefits from MMD. These are people who call Zambia as a developed nation without knowing what it means to be developed. Prof Chirwa should be allowed to stand. I have not read any logic explanation why he should not stand.
Correct me if I am Wrong
Under the current constitutio Prof Chirwa is barred from standing as state President but can stand as MMD president in 2011. The constitution barres anybody who has been domiciled continously outside Zambia for more than 10 years and who Parents were not born in Zambia. Prof Chirwa was born and grew up in Chingola but his parents come from Malawi. He has lived ouside Zambia continously for more than twenty years.
# Why can’t Prof Chirwa opt to stand as PF presidential candidate since PF has a leadership crisis and the current President is a semi illiterate who has never seen the inside of a classroom at an institution of higher learning. And since most of his suppoters on this blogg are die hard PF ZEALOTS and dont see any problem in him being welcomed as their potential new leader.
#64 Mr Citizen, MMD which was formed in 1990 does not below you or your ilenda presdo, what belows to you and chuchu is Mad Muwelewele devils (MMd)party where he is free to appoint his successor. Chuchu is baring everybody for presdo becoz he plans is to appoint his chief advisor (madamu, reward her for mopping ilenda)at the last hour, as his succesor so that the family tree in MMd continues. ILENDA UKOKWINE!!!
Why cant Chirwa just start his own outfit?
#64 With your thinking and reasoning Zambia is heading for doom.Can you first define Politics to me? KK never saw the inside of a classroom of higher Institutions but was wise and sharp enough to lead.Much as we agree that education is key in development but wisdom counts.Today in your MMD there are few reasonable people if not none(except Mundia Sikatana)whom LPM begged to keep quiet and remain on payroll indefinately,so what have you got to say about the reasonableness of LPM? Oilgate scandal?
citizen,
I thought you were more matured than this.Just to correct you, Prof Chirwa was born and raised in mufulira,not chingola. The MMD is scared to death because of their corrupt practices. They will block any intelligent persona, being it in zambia or abroad. If the MMD is democratic as they claim, why hand pick a ruler? Prof chirwa must stand,let him present his manifesto at the convention. If the MMD members, reject him then will he realise about starting from the branch. We need……
cont…
people who are exposed in the western world,people who see development day in and day out. Prof CHIRWA has worked with different leaders in the world, so he knows what to expect. Our country needs to move forward together with the rest of the globe. Politcs of stone age era should be rejected. Let any one with a sound mind, stand at any level he or she wishes,and thats democracy. Why force somebody to stand at a level he or she is not comfortable with.Is Zambian democracy a joke?….
Hello, Prag and crew are exhibiting wet chicken IQ.We dont care your rethoric but we must apppreciate that you have a right to be heard regadless how hued your views are anyways.Chirwa being Zed has every right to rule and will not be detered by LPM et al coz he is convinced that he can offer better than the lot we have had.Prag,education is the cornerstone on any innovation and this simple fact must rest in your head eternally.Tho LPM was ichubumba the MMD didnt come to the fore coz of him.
LMP was a late entrant to the formation of the MMD. Aka, Dean and tricky Dick are pipo that history credits for MMD as you might not remember the Garden Hotel Meets but I do coz I was there. FTJ,LPM et all came and hijacked:we the pipo did a lot for the movement. You must be young to remember this Prag and crew but that is the genesis,just a tip boy.LPM will never fool anyone about being presidency.He is just paranoid-afraid of his own shadow!!lol
If what Citizen has written is correct that Prof Chirwa’s parents come from Malawi, I see a reason why these mmd guys and their supporters don’t want him to satnd. They still don’t think that Prof Chirwa is a Zambian based on Chiluba’s evil policy that discriminated KK over his citizenship due to the fact that his parents came from Malawi. But Zambia is full of nationals whose parents were born in other countries. We need to wise up. Another reason is htey fear being exposed for corruption
America #72 is composed of 99% non-americans but will still embrace anyone with a vision that fosters the American Dream. That is where we are tragically missing it coz our selection is steeped in nepotism, tribalism and all the evil isms. We must depart from that, then we can make good progress.
#71 Muntuza
The convenors of the Garden House Meeting conference on Multi= Party Democracy were two members of the Zambia Reserch Foundation Akashambatwa Mbikusita Lewanika and Derrick Chitala. Dean Mungomba who was then General Manager of Capital Bank and Richard Sakala who was at that time Director of African literature Centre and Chairman of the Kitwe Press Club were were invited participants to the conference.The outcome was a Movement called MMD which was later registered as a party
What can i say ? on one hand African politicians are scared of any new comers in the game, there is fear of the unknown and very quick to advise . Prof Chirwa has every right to stand for Presidency. On the other hand if u critically analyse Both the Republicans and the Democrats all their Presidential hopefuls were senators o have risen from the ranks, so they could be truth in some way. HH never managed to win at a goal its the name of politics.
#68 Thank for the correction but you need to correct Professor Chirwa as well in one of his Publications he says he was born and raised in Chingola(May be he was misquoted?). Kamuzu Banda before Prof Chirwa was more exposed to Western Culture.. But lok at how he ruled and to the level of backwardness he took Malawi. Apart from Bokassa and Amin he was the worst tyrant to rule an African country.
Ba Pulezidenti
I think you can reject Prof Chirwa without resorting to cheap statements like “He cannot just come from nowhere to teach us what to do” Why this phobia against Zambians who are abroad? If you cant go there yourself it doesnt mean all of us cant. Is this envy or just birdbrainery?
According to our laws every Zambian qualifies for Presidency so where is the cheap argument that Chirwa thinks that people in the country are not capable of choosing a succesor come from?
“Prof Chirwa has every right to stand for Presidency”.Excerpt
# (75),
I hope you know your personal confusion. Too many paradoxes in you r rhetoric like KCC, Kuku, Chapi, Mutunza and such PF elementary level Zealots.Has anyone stopped Professor Chirwa from running for Presidency in Zambia? Surely, MMD is not Zambia and Zambia is not MMD.Chirwa is welcome in MMD ranks and is at liberty to contribute to the nation.Thus far he falls short of what the MMD Grassroot is asking for the 2011 choice.
Education is not synonymous with a quality politician but it is an advantage that you cannot shelf to accumulate dust. When one is educated it means he or she has capabilities to comprehend, conceptualise and assimilate data. However, educated or not educated, we have seen trush on both sides. Lets look at prof. as an individual and give him an opportunity or enough rope to hang himself. Is this the start of bruising they talked about?
Democracy should prevail.
If Professor Chirwa’s manifest destiny is to serve Zambia only through the Executive office of the President (Plot one), MMD is not an available vehicle for him. UNIP, PF,RP and UPND desperately need leaders to be formidably pitched against MMD in 2011. A settlement on those would expedite his dream than MMD.The ruling MMD has strong internal controls on choice for Presidency which Chirwa money offers will remain without dividends.Forewarning is forearming.
Advisably, Chirwa could use his money to pump some life restructure the financially deliquent circus like PF and UNIP now in a comatose.These are social clubs practically short of leadership.MMD has more than enough leaders, operational structures, good will PACs and strategists to sustain the the most sophisticated and focused campaign on the table. To consolidate Democracy, we authorize him to consider other parties with a tradition of impulsive pick on the Presidency.
The 2011 Air & Ground campaign war will be the most focused, issue based and costly one ever instituted in the Zambian democratic history.It will not be of the subnormal Chapi & Kuku’s family tree innuendos, but a systematic with data.2011 is about the economy, national security and destiny.The gains & the pro growth fundamentals in place are many. Its a crime for the MMD realists to forfeit such to counterfeit members. MMD is actively realigning itself for 2011.
Its a crime for the MMD realists to forfeit such gains to counterfeit members. MMD is actively realigning itself for 2011.
Politics of Social Choice in a Pluralitarian Democracy does not proscribe traditions of responsible real politicking. Dynamism and multidimensional politics are anchored on self preservation against liquid chaos predominant in diversity.The ruling MMD will blindly buy everything from its friends whether the mean well or not. The candidacy of Prof Chirwa on MMD is an idea of brother Fred by virtue of their initiated friendship through a young ordinary MMD member evidence holds on.
What the president saíd I mentioned it earlier on when Prof. Chirwa gave money for campiagn of a falied bye election in Chingola. Check the archieves you find this? I even asked Kuku what does he know about Chirwa. Later he responded that he was moving at 100km/hour he should reduce to 30/h. What Iam against is political fortune seekers. In my comments I said that money could have been put to good use if the prof. donated it to UTH which in turn a CT could have been bought. This is the way you..
The ruling MMD will not blindly buy everything from its friends whether the mean well or not.
“MMD will not”
win the hearts of pipo. Long time planing is required.However the president didnt mention any name with corrupt practices.
Frederick Chiluba, who is facing graft charges, made his final submission on Monday ahead of judgement next month and asked the court to acquit him on all the charges which he said were based on “fiction.
All of you are trash talking. Sata for President!
How level headed is the previous statement?
# 90 Dont worry if you argue with a fool pipo wont differentiat. So who is a fool here. My province wont give Sata the vote that includes northern, western and southern. Your mudala is in the afternoon. Crap!!! Chirwa also cannot rule Zambia from nowhere. He must sell himself to the pipo. If Chirwa is from east he should do something for bakumawa before he can start talking of Zambia.
Pragmatist
Why are you so scared of Prof Chirwa and yet you pride your party of being democratic.Allow the tenets of democracy to work by simply challenging Prof Chirwa at the convention.
Remember what I had already predicted about the acrimony MMD was going to face when finding LPM`s successor.Do you still stick to MMD being an indispensable party?Watch as this tiny iceberg brings down the TITANIC.
Timing and strategy are key elements to political success.
(92),
Politics of Social Choice in a Pluralitarian Democracy does not proscribe traditions of responsible real politicking. Dynamism and multidimensional politics are anchored on self preservation against liquid chaos predominant in diversity.The ruling MMD will not blindly buy everything from its friends be they closer or not. MMD is an entity with existing rules just like not every entrant to the membership of the DNC/GOP would be condoned for their Presidential fill.
The issue here is not Prof. Chirwa, there is a group that feels that it is time for their tribe to produce a President, that group is from Western Province! When you hear Fred M’membe calling Mwanawasa noble, it is because he is part of the group that are positioning themselves to be hand picked by Dr. Levy. Therefore Prof. Chirwa is seen as an obstacle to this grand scheme by our lozi brothers and sisters. If Prof. Chirwa was from Western Province i.e. Lozi, you would hear all kinds of praises!
If that was the case, all MMD members could have been pulling in their learned protege from University theatres around the Globe. I’m one of those with a lot of Zambian friends who are professors, Doctors and some working for multilateral institutions. Among them are top notch female sisters-Economists at the World bank in the USA.Are they material for plot one? Certainly not.
The candidacy of Prof Chirwa on MMD is an idea of brother Fred by virtue of the initiated friendship through a young ordinary MMD member with whom evidence holds on.
Pragmatist
Is it for you to decide who runs for the MMD PRESIDENCY or the MMD convention?
Under who`s authourity do you bar Prof Chirwa from exercising his democratic right to run for the MMD presidency?
Remember that MMD isn`t a monarchy but a political party whose leadership is supposed to be voted through a democratic process.
Aren`t these the same things you`ve been attacking other political parties of failing to exercise?
Autocratic tendencies should never be condoned.
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You are miserably off tangent with your tribal gig.FYI,Prof Chirwa is an imposition of brother Fred M’membe on MMD while this Pragmatist who objects banana republic politics of forfeiting the party to counterfeits have no trait from the Western Zambia nor is the blood of my children.The Custodians of the MMD ideals have the moral duty of preserving MMD & national interests.Only MMD stewards know the party’s core assumption of sustainability applied.
It is the duty of the MMD core membership with support from the serving leadership to preserve & shape its destiny. Where seating President’s views are found incongruent with the membership interest, an internal discourse opens up.But on Chirwa there is a congruence of principles.A ruling party is a strategic stake holder in national interest.Its leadership cannot be thrown to the winds.A true friend & patriot is he who stands with the course in challenging times.Chirwa has been no closer to any
You chaps have been raping dogs for Sata irrationally barking your family tree melodramatics ever since.What has become your stake in the MMD decisions if your illusions that MMD is ending with this term? PF headed by a thug fighting in denial of the fact is in perennial leadership & material crisis. MMD has operational structures & resource mobilizing PACs beyond your imagination.You need Chirwa’s support,leadership and resources than MMD do.Besides that, PF has no membership terms to restrain.
In # 100 i mean Chapi,Kuku,Mutunza & other PF slobs here.
#100 Pragmatist you need to grow up and see things beyond your grey haired chin.Things have changed from the time you went into diaspora for you and as such we expect you to reason and argue like a person living in the 21st Century.Your naivity is worrying me so much.The plain truth is that our govt isnt working at all.You MMD new deal govt promised heavens in 2001 but what we have seen everything they have done have ended up in culs-de-sac(treadmill of reforms).
We need to put in place a “Better govt iniative policy” to improve the quality of decisions and service delivery.Your one Magande openly agreed that the gains he talks about the people have not seen single benefit,What does that mean to your LPM?Gross incompetence coupled with gross miasma of mistrust,the same sleaze that saw UNIP in 1991 is what should be expected to happen to your No deal MMD,only then reform may begin to seem like a matter of self preservation.
#100 Chirwa might not be a bone of contention but is the way LPM has behaved in trying to frustrate Chirwa when he has guts to bring in people from no where to become Vice Presidents of MMD when the party had so many other capable persons to take over from the Land criminal Lupando.If you continue to sideline people with vision,you end up with people like Mulongoti/Teta who are not fit for purpose.After 2011 they will be as irrelevant as LPM and they will certainly pay the sickening outbursts.
(102),
The good news is that we have liberalized the Zambian political space.Instead of you rumbling for Chirwa in the wilderness, meet the ever ready MMD where votes are instead of the blog.Proud to say the Zambian nascent democracy under the New Deal has restored and made our country a source of inspiration for other countries in Africa such that armchair critics like you are tangibly irrelevant.
Lastly the nutter,whatever pyscological flaws LPM may have,he seems to take pleasure in divisive rhetoric and stoking up hatred,this man who was baptised with fire by one Baptist Pastor after leaving the Watchtower cult,has continued to abuse his powers making professionals like Anna and Max Nkole appear novices in their work because of constant interference from his office, selective pursuits in his fight against corruption and shielding criminals like Mathani,Kashiwa,Fisho Mwale(vulture),etc
(104),
In the MMD exceptionalism the strategists & the grassroots know a candidate who is equally fluid, dynamic, and authentically responsive to change and who constantly reassess and refines his understanding of a changing world. Certainly not the one who shifts in the wind & aligns himself as MMD, but one who authentically reassess based on changing circumstances & holds deep the ideals 7 national interests.
Okay mwaice Pragfimofimo I end with a quote from one American politician-Benjamin Franklin(1706-1790)
“I wish the bald eagle had not been chosen as the representative of our country.He is a bird of bad moral characher”
See you tommorrow at Maina Soko Military Hospital and Good nite
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It is simple for bloggers like anonymous in 94 to conclude that it could be caps from Western Province who are trying to stop Prof Chirwa and others from contesting the MMD Presidency because if you remember last year 17 MPs from Western Province, most of them MMD and Lozi, gathered in Western Province and publicly made a statement saying they wanted the next President in 2011 to come from Western Province. Why then should one be suprised if people try to link the two issues together?
The core strategists & membership know who the ultimate candidate to vest capital in is. He is a man that has seen outside the “box” of past thinking and postulated a new direction that promises greater equity and justice for the greatest number of people beyond & above where LPM will have honorably ended his unfinished task. It’s all a matter of official clearance that the resources and stewardship will consolidate the candidacy.
Data Analyst(109),
That is tunning dumbing dumber.Chirwa is an imposition of Fred a Lozi himself. The Professor is not Westerner but an indiginous Zambian from eastern. So what is the correlation to your dumb sub level analogue?
#108 Kuku end with a qoute from an American president who said “its either you try lucky and chances or you lose them”!
Interesting discussion…
Who is this Professori Chirwa” Is he that dead Malawan Orton Chirwa’s son? Awe sure twacula, we are tired of being ruled by foreigners, Kaunda was Malawan, Chiluba was Katangese, Levy is Tonga from Malawi, Sata is Nwacusa from Tanganyika wa niNyelele, Sikota Wina is Caprivian waMuralitswani. It’s about time we had one of our own to rule this country now and chase away all aliens.
Banee, Fred M’Membe is not Lozi, the man is mwine bemba koko. His mother is a nyengo from Kalabo, so where is his loziness here? After all, to me he represents the only thing that has remained true, real and honest all the time where all you Zambians have been behaving like monkeys jumping from one idea to another as though you were trooping from one branch to another in the Ituri forest.
#114 Weluzani Zulu uli chipuba kabili ulibe nzelu.
# 42, 43, 44, What are you yapping about. i dont seem to make sense of what you are talking about. Walefyuka mu class during english lessons nangu limbi niwewo grade 5. organise your brains
#117 Iwe susiba kuti muzako’s mother tounge is writing mix grill – chinese and zam-english
So there you go again,typical of our Zambian comrades – getting excited at the slightest newsmaking story and already biulding castles in the air.
I must admit I was just pulling people’s legs when I said Sata for President. Not that he is nowhere near presidential material but there is that element to his character that I am sure every sane Zambian is aware of.
His ability to make Mr. Bean look like a theatrical amateur is second to non.
So then,knowing fully well what our dearest King Cobra is made of,what realistic choices for the 2006 Presidencial Candidature are we left with?
1.Hakainde Hichilema
Agreed,Zambians have issues with Tongas.Period. I am not Tonga myself but I honestly see quality in this man. He might not be the Old looking,experienced politician that we all seem to have come to accept should be given the keys to the gates of plot 1 but his decision-making and rise in the corporate give him a loud shout.
2. Proffesor Clive Chirwa.
Bolton University lecturer,Internationally acclaimed Engineer and consultant. You dont get to such heights with an average I.Q. This man must be doing something right.
Look,do we need someone to have stayed here for 50 f**king years in order to be regarded Presidentail material? We have the like of V.J Mwaanga who have been Zambians since time immemorial but would be lucky to win a Parliamentary Election. Lets start thinking with our heads for once.
Do you think someone would be kind enough to avail us a copy of Professor Chirwa’s Manifesto?
I am keen to see his vision for good old Zambia.
Politics, like any other business, thrives on succefully selling one’s program within or outside an organisation in this case a political party see Mr Sata he launched his own,so did Ross Perot in the US some time back.If MMd will not have him why not try to infuse the value he sees in the party in others we have about forty parties in the country.
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The political landscape is always very dynamic the Presidential elections are only in 2011 .I am sure in the next two years we shall have events unfolding which will reveal better candidates than Chirwa and Sata. Politics is like a long distance race it is not normally the early staters who win the race but those who surge ahead towards the finish. Who news if Chifumu Banda succesfully chairs and Managers the NCC he might be the new kid on the block,if given Lubinda stops being a
his master Sata’s voice he might Just be the right Guy. What about Ngandu magande if he becomes sellable to the Bemba speaking constituency. Mundia Sikatana and Sata will not be factors they are on their last legs.
the Malawians scoured the Earth and found their “saviour”, Kamuzu Banda who lived abroad since childhood.Zambians are scouring the Earth and found a man who has not lived in Zambia for the last 20 years!!!! Good grief Zambians…when will we ever learn ????
Phobia towards Zambians in the diaspora is uncalled for. Similarly, to ask a highly qualified Zambian to go to the grassroots to launch his political leadership in the prevailing circumstances is uncalled for. It is like asking the President just when he came back from UK as a lawyer to go to Chiwala and start representing the people there until he was nurtured. Living abroad, in many instances, help many Zambians see our political situation with new lenses and can be very helpful in offering
ctd. better solutions that may incorporate an international experience and perspective. The view that Prof. Chirwa is ambitious should not be an issue, after all, no one vied for presidency that never had an ambition. If we were democratic as we proclaim to be, let us fear nothing and allow anyone to compete. If someone has no criminal record, an issue that may be the only sound judgment to bar someone from running, parties that claim to be democratic should be open to everyone to run for any
ctd. position they deem themselves fit. African politics of fear of being challenged is the core reason of barring someone that is highly qualified as the Prof. besides insecurity and selfishness. Calling for someone to make a new political party is not the best solution looking at what it takes. It is time we learnt some new ideas from old democratic nations like the U.S. who are doing their primaries now. I like their process that is competitive for anyone trying to go for presidency.
Mr. President, please “liberalise” every party position just as we liberalised the economy! “Democratic” we say we are, democratic we should be otherwise posterity will judge us sternly.
CK,
I repeat it for your sake;
Politics of Social Choice in a Pluralitarian Democracy does not proscribe traditions of responsible real politicking.Dynamism and multidimensional politics are anchored on the principles of self preservation against liquid chaos predominant in diversity.The ruling MMD will not blindly buy everything from its friends be they closer or not.MMD is an entity with existing rules just like not every entrant to the membership of the American DNC and the GOP would be condoned for their Presidential fill
Liberalization of politics does not mean the party has forfeited its moral duty & machinery of preserving party and national interest against infiltrators and counterfeits. The party President will always be someone perfectly fitting in the ideals. The American GOP will never take a leftist or the Liberals a right winger for Presidency out of their conventions.
If Professor Chirwa’s manifest destiny is to serve Zambia only through the Executive office of the President (Plot one), MMD is not an available vehicle for him in his impulsive move. UNIP, PF, and UPND desperately leadership crisis keen in pitching against MMD in 2011. A settlement on these entities would expedite his dream than in MMD. The ruling MMD has strong internal controls on choice for Presidency which Chirwa’s money offers will remain without dividends. Forewarning is forearming.
Ba CK(126),believe me i’m least qualified to encourage maligning diaspora citizens!!In all the democracies we try to emulate there is is one common factor among any of the leading contenders..they are resident in their home countries even though many have spent many years abroad.You cannot claim the feel the pulse of the people from the diaspora and ones “exposure” is not a substitute.LPM lived in Ndola represented the Chifubu people and can legitimately claim to feel the “pulse” of the pipo.
the Prof. on the other hand is a complete novice in matters involving local politics..whilst abroad was/is he a practicing politician championing the causes of zambia or has he been just a successful academician/employee.His experience would be valuable to Zambia but not at Plot 1 level.he should contest a seat in Parliament,get to know us better then we can look to him for leadership..remember that chap frm America who tried for Plot 1 ??
Politics is a career, academicians,especially from natural science are generally unable to survive the verbal gymnastics of volatile political situations.It is not about PhDs nope. there is more to it.
By the way it is also true that as the Bemba saying goes “umwana ashenda atasha nyina ukunaya”; it does help to experience diverse political and economic scenarios. Ng’andu Magande, Dr Caleb FundangaPhD (Bank of Zambia Governor) and others are doing commendable work for Zambia; not at PLOT ONE.
in politics 1+1 is not always 2 as depending on the mood of the people it can equal to 11 or even zero!!Logic is never a driving force or determinant in politics and the cardinal rule of politics is that….THERE ARE NO RULES !!! Good on you #136!!
How apt.That about sums it up.
One Dr Shimaponda in yesteryears did take a similar incursion.
Dr Chongwe said it was not true that candidates who should stand as president must always face up to the likes of a sitting President. He also said that Professor Clive Chirwa should be allowed to contest the presidency in MMD because as a member of the party he qualified to aspire for the highest office.
“If Prof Chirwa is a member, and this has been confirmed by Jonas Shakafuswa, that he is a member of a branch in Katuba, he is free if he so wishes to stand. It’s up to the people in MMD to
Uko!!!
Given welcome to politics 101 machevelli articulately explicated. I call i can advise you is that there is no free lunch.Chiluba’s blood money has a price.”The enemy of my friend is my friendy”
PF accuses Chiluba of plotting against Sata.
OPPOSITION Patriotic Front (PF) has alleged that former president Frederick Chiluba is ‘engineering’ a ‘coup’ against party president Michael Sata.
(139),
Dr.Chongwe is President of the Liberal Progressive Party. His party rules are not same as MMD.Where as MMD is a functional party, his LP is a paper based party only. I have to reserve my comments on Dr.Chongwe for now. He is a senior citizen that has failed Zambians.
All i can advise you is that, there is no free lunch. Every service has a dividend unless one is a medevial era socialist. What blinds pawns like Given and freelance cadres is the principle of need to know among actors (secrecy). Chiluba’s blood money has a price tag which Sata should have known.”The enemy of my friend is my friend”
the insatiable thirst for Plot1 blinded Dr Chongwe a long while ago and as history proves itself again he has become irrelevant to politics of today which is a pity, becoz he is/was quite an intelligent man.
when all is said and done,lets admit that MMD beleives in democracy,chirwa should just be advised reward the branch officials who mobilse cadres at the convention…after all chuchu doesnt know how to reward cadres going by the drama at the airport.LPM please dont annoint the parrot to succeed you let his career end at ministry of information……let us accomodate one another and allow the ballot be the final voice
we dont want the chaos of kenya in zambia.
andrew jeremaih (144),
We beat you, the chaos of kenya will not happen to you and your entire family ending up with your clan every where.
So Levy will choose his successor and ask the cadres at Mulungushi Conference to endorse him! Well it is better than he was picked up from sleep.Iam sure the likes of Teta and Mulongoti agree fully that this is how democracy works in the MMD.I can only predict MMD self destructing like UNIP after 2011.
So, what is wrong with Prof being aways that long? How many of our current ministers gained their degrees abroad? The whole lot, so what is wrong with Chirwa gaining his education abroad and staying abroad to work and gain experience? None!
give him the chance, ba MMD! Be democratic and tell your own people the truth about Highly Indebted Poor Countries Initiative Completion (HIPC). Zambia only got that status because the G8 would not lend any help unless the Zambian government did away with the stock of excess grain and food reserves they had. That year there were no rains in Zambia and hunger was registered, our country became one of the poorest in the world, not in Africa, in the world.
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