Tempers flared at the Zambia Centre for Inter-Party Dialogue (ZCID) regional workshop on the constitution making process in Kasama over the weekend after participants openly differed on the inclusion of age limit for presidency in the new republican constitution.

The members from both the ruling MMD and oppositions political parties exchange unpalatable words after they failed to agree on whether the new constitution should have a clause on age limit for presidency or not.

Some MMD members, who led proponents for the age limit, maintained that there was need for a maximum age limit to be enshrined the new constitution for someone to be republican president.

They suggested that 70 years be the age limit for a presidential candidate to aspire for the highest office in the land saying Zambia needed vibrant person to run the country.

However, the proposal sparked controversy among participants who accused the MMD of targeting an individual in their quest to have an age limit included in the new constitution.

The opponents who included mostly Patriotic Front (PF) members argued that putting an age limit in the constitution would be discriminatory to elderly people who wanted to aspire for presidency.

The PF members, who were emotionally charged, threatened to walk out the ZCID workshop if the meeting failed to reach a consensus on the issue of age limit.

This forced ZCID officials, who included Sharon Phiri and Lillian Pumulo, to put the issue of age limit for presidency to a vote after their efforts to calm the participants over the issue failed.

The vote however went in favour of those against the inclusion of an age limit in the new constitution thereby sending the PF members into wild celebrations.

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  1. Yeah. we should have the age limit so that some criminals with thick lips and cobra eyes from Chitulika cannot smoke their way into State House. In fact it makes me wonder why looks are not a factor in Zambian presidential elections (now). Just look at how scary Satana looks? oof! bivan

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  2. How about also including only mentally sound individuals and not anybody suffering from ICHIPUMPUTU.

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  3. # 1 Exhibition of simple mindedness. Even a street kid in the compound would know that this clause is targeted at Sata. What happens if Sata is out of the picture. This shallow thinking and approach to things is what makes us still fighting over a proper constitution 40 yrs after we got independence. *****s with prof titles so wrapped up in nothing, wonder where they got their titles. God help us. Kudos to people in Kasama.

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  4. How about limiting it to people with genuine university education since UNZA has become a school for none performers in GRZ?

    Sata is not a problem. Levy’s performance is not worth speaking about given his mental fatigue and the poor heart, diabetis etc. His love for nepotism is another evil on Levy’s side.

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  5. #1 PROF. FROM CHUNGA, NOT EVEN MATERO, LEARN TO TREAT THIS MATTER WITH PASSION. WE ARE DEBATING A NATIONAL ISSUE, SO KEEP WHAT YOU DON’T LIKE ABOUT KING COBRA TO YOURSELF. BETTER STILL IF YOU HAVE NOTHING SENSIBLE TO PUNCH ON THAT KEY BOARD, TRY SITTING AT INTER CITY BUS STOP THAT IS WHERE YOU WILL FIND YOUR TYPE.

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  6. yangua ba Sata wesu nishi pafita te? Zero ubepelefye uleloba ilyauma. HE Sata is the future presdo, even nomu Jusdo (Jesus)alishiba. Sata oyee ! oyee.

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  7. #1, I really wonder if u “credibly” hold those title with the way of yo thinking. Not all pipo are born handsome or beautiful – u should know that. The heart matters most. I wonder how look like and what yo heart holds. Change yo way of thinking to gain the respect u deserve, if u deserve it at all.

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  8. #4 ….Your observation is very correct. we wont develop if we always put certain things in the constitution targeted at individuals.

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  9. I think, an age limit is important. Look at Mugabe! he is a perfect example of how a good country can be ruined after an old man takes the highest office of a land.

    Now, since people are making noise over Sata CM, put an age limit of 80 yrs and we will be done. After all, we have an age limit for other Zambian Publc Service Jobs. So, why not the President job? Mugabe is 84 and things are not working well for the Zimbabwe economy. He performed upto about the yr 2000 when he was 76 yrs old. Now, it appears like he is too old to have sound perception on national matters.

    Please, let us not go backwards to 1990/1. We need serious progress. Look at how Asia is advancing.

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  10. #13, Are you sure your dog is that UGLY to match that of prof mutengo wabibisha. Just #1’s impaired brains are enough to show this man is as ugly as a beast!!

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  11. this is a better development so that we don’t continue having people who have been in politics since UNIP time until forever.
    they can do something other than depending on politics for their livelihood.we need young brilliant chaps in this generation…no more to wamu yaya kind of politicians.

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  12. What then do we do since the majority of our younger citizens have no education due to poor spending on education by the mmd? Should we just cry for people with low age groups to be presidents evn when they have no intellect due to their being denied a good education by the mmd and the IMF/WB?

    I would rather have John Mwanakatwe, an old man, than a young thug from ZESCO, or Moleen for a president.

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  13. No need for age limit ,thats total madness,thats typical of Zambian politics,people are running out of ideas.A 70 year old man can be more vibrant than a 35 year old chap.

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  14. It’s just very reasonable that we have an age limit as well as a first degree in whatever field.ther are no two ways about it!that will just make our president a more knowledgeable and modern one.no degree,no presidency,above 65,no presidency!Viva NCC!!!!

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  15. #16, Exactly. And what kind of a professor is it that professes to be one on the internet. #1 Backward chap.

    #17 Uli fontini. U cant even mention of one young briliant chap and if you would, it would be one of your tribesmen.

    #18 Walasa!

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  16. We seem to always entangle ourselves in the same web of deceipt when it comes to the constitution.This reminds me of what Chiluba did when he barred Kaunda from running in 1996 by coming up the the parrentage clause and also dealing with Archie(social rival) by denying bail to motor car theives.Levy must realise that he`ll need to deal with Sata politically and not wasting tax payers money on such a flawed clause.

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  17. age limit is very important let us not be personal on issues
    of importance. do you want a person of 1year to rule us or 102 to rule us let us have age limits every thing has a limit
    guys let us think reasonably how this website will become
    meaningless i will stop cntributing lets us contribute postivel
    to build our country
    i hate these insults sometimes insults target to innocent people
    is these website edited i wonder
    inform me correctly

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  18. #23 Wiseman
    There`s already a minimum age requirement for anybody seeking political office.How reasonable are you in thinking people are suggesting that a baby who`s 1 year could hold public office?If someone who`s 80 years has the political clout and stamina to go through vigorous compaigns,let that person test such waters.It will then be up to the electorate to decide.

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  19. hahahaha, friends, we do not need to personalise issues here. First, there is a MINIMUM age for someone to be a president. Therefore, it follows that there should be a MAXIMUM age for someone to become president.
    One wonders when the YOUTHS (also called future leaders) are going to be presidents if age limit is open. Why do people want to treat politics a special occupation when all other jobs are guided by age limits, eg retirement age. Infact age limit should be for all office bearers. EDUCATION should also BE a qualification for presidency. You cannot imagine a person without credible qualification to rule zambia again. we made a mistake during chiluba time, never, never, never should…

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  20. #1 Prof adding your qualifications in your blog name is very conceited and condescending to other readers of the blog. A number of us are also highly educated like you but don’t go about advertising it inappropriately!
    With regard to your blog putting an upper age limit on the presidency is discrimnatory especially as it seems to take forever to remove a sitting president from office. In practice you need to be in opposition party for about 10 years before you get a crack!! We should be enacting equal rights legislation.

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  21. Prof Mutengo Waminga LLB (UNZA) LLM, MA PHD (Oxford) I aint mad at you but sometimes your comments are against Bemba people while is really lame. I am not bemba but this day and age to have peeps like you hating fellow Zambians is not good. A Proffessor should know better since you have mingled with various people.

    Ya!ya! its a free world where you can say anything but hating remarks in some of your blogs aint cool man! Sata may not be the best looking dude out there…

    I challenge you to post your picture before the end of the month and we will judge if you are in the DENZEL or USHER category or maybe lets see if you are hotter than Sata!

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  22. Put an age limit NCC, but let it conform to Sata CM’ age so that he can stand for elections in 2011 and possibly 2016. So that no one can complain about him being barred.

    80 yrs seems fair. Thus, whoever sitting President of the Republic of Zambia reaches 80 yrs while serving his term let him resign by law at his 81st birthday.

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  23. #1 PROF TO ME WHAT SOMETIMES YOU SAY I GO FOR IT NOW ITS LIKE PEOPLE DONT LIKE YOU, BETTER STOP SO MANY PEOPLE DONT LIKE YOU MAN

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  24. Zambia’s constitutions will never stand any simple test of time bcoz it targets individuals, here again, street kids at Chisokone market would know that this all thing is targeted at SATA! Shame to those who will be led to vote for it!! I say shame on them again!!!!!!

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  25. its absurd to think that this act is intended for sata because most politicians retire into politics so to have an age limit would be ridiculous, however its a good debate of national interest because it helps us ascertain whether we want a geriatric conservative politician to lead us onto the next stage or a modern and innovative leader to stem the tide in the face of global challenges! this is about our national constitution so those entertaining thoughts of tribal prejudice on this blog are only bitter because this constitution is being made under the watch of a president who doesn’t come from the so called big tribes.

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  26. If the clause is targeted at Sata, that would be wrong! But seriously, and by law, everyone else retires. Politicians should not be an exception! At 70, and by Zambian stds. (life expectancy) one should be writing their memoirs and genealogy.

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  27. How about limiting the contitution to candidates that do not practice Nepotism. That would be a good starting point.

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  28. There we go again, insults instead of reasoning, are we any different from Lifwekelo. You see I to forums like Hav Your Say on BBC and you do not see this nonsense, I think it is time someone started moderating this forum, instead of direct positing, let someone moderate this forum and edit out whatever does not apply like #1. Anyhow, we are supposed to be strategic, John McCain 71 runnning for Office, Abdoulaye Wade possibly one of the best presidents in the world, running a successful economy. Charles taylor as young as he was destroyed a country. JJ Rawlingsm, coup plotter, ran a successful Ghana an put it in the international map, forget about age guys let us discuss simple majority 50+1

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  29. Age should not be an issue. Over the weekend an old man aged 101 years competed in the London marathon (I wonder if he crossed the finishing line). If at that age one can participate in such a physical activity, what about politics where someone needs only his/her head?

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  30. Let us be substantive and discuss real issues, this shows you the way we play with life in this country, I would imagine these clowns in the NCC looking for where to sign for their money as opposed to looking for where to find the draft constitution. Guys this love for money has nothng to do with poverty, it has everything to do with greedy. Am I off tangent again, anyhow age limit or not Sata or no sata this country will remain as poor as ever if we do determine our destiny starting with this forum. Let us be serious guys!

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  31. imwe ba no.33 what the fcuk are trying to say katwishi inga nika dagga or eagle beer ur comment doesn’t make sense, either u dont fully grasp the issue here or naba kutana biscuit? u are just rambling anything and everything “GENEALOGY” where the fcuk did that come from? Nabo ba profiler ati “nepotism” u cant deyermine whether a candidate practices nepotism until he gets in a position of power.

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  32. “Let’s be judged by our character” as martin Luther King said “and not by our skin color”. We should never discriminate any Zambian from being President on the basis of their age. Zambian should be given the sole responsibility to select their leader without any discrimination. Let’s not have a customized constitution to target individuals regardless of what we feel about them (personal opinion, I think Sata is demonic and a clown). LPM should know better especially that the previous Government tried the same baboon tricks

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  33. #40previous Government tried the same baboon tricks???IT WAS MONKEY TRICK AND NOW IT’S GORILLAR CHUCHU TRICKS

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  34. I support age limits. Then it’ll mean Sata cant win 2011 and Hakainde Hichilema or Godfrey Miyanda will stand a better chance of winning. So yes to age limits. HH 2011

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  35. Yeah,there are must be an age limit.How do you expect an old person like mugabe in Zimbambwe to run the country?It’s amazing because if somebody is beyond 70yrs,his mind is already weak.Let this be the case in Zed.No very old men running our lovely country.Let young and energetic men be in control.We’re tired of seeing old people in key positions.What of us,young and educated men?It’s high time we also hold key positions!!

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  36. Mwebantu please, can you seriously compare CHUCHU to HE MC Sata despite the former being advanced in age? Ba JOSE mulishani, KUKU abakwisa kashi?

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  37. Making laws based on an individual is wrong. But we should ask ourselves why there is retirment age. The human body and brain can only work actively up to a certain age. Therefore if it is felt that the law is being made for Sata, let Sata be allowed to participate, but let the law go through so that we do not have another dying old man coughing his way to State house

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  38. Guys who ever thought of retirement had a point coz at a certain point the human body needs to rest, lets not support change in the constitution to suit our selfish interests and then we want to change again after 2011 elections. Face the fact that as you grow old body cells undergo wear and tear which includes the brain tissue leading to a condition known as senile dementia. It imprt to have age limit to avoid being ruled by a leader with this condition, being a president is a challenging job which needs a sound mind, age sometimes affect decision making. May be proff has a point.

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  39. The professor # 1 (and others) haVe a stong point!
    For those shallow-minded pointing fingers at those for the age, mind you in each debate session, you certainly need a devel’s advocate so as to enable others think otherwise. Bravo professor waminga !!!

    The age limit must/should be in place period

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  40. Is Levy medically fit to run our country or not?What is his CK-BB level?If age is supposed to an issue then surely we need to discuss the health of the person running our country.I would appreciate a constructive response to my question.

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  41. Mandela was 76 years when he became president of south Africa.
    That is the Best thing that has happened to SA politics. You canot generalize.

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  42. #55 Real Zambian
    You`re exactly right that we must not discriminate against age,gender,tribe or creed.We`ve got to go beyond such petty issues and focus on developmental matters.Why can`t we leave that for the electorate to decide?The age clause is meant to stop SATA and nothing more.MMD must fight SATA polically and not use such a flawed clause to stop him.
    I personally support fresh blood into our political field but that doesn`t mean that we deny anybody their democratic right of contesting the presidency based on age.

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  43. #56 MR NICE
    That`s exactly my point that since we didn`t discriminate against LPM`s IMPAIREMENT or DISABILITY,then why do we want to now apply doubble standards about the age limit.Let`s leave it to the electorate to decide.

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  44. Let every politician prove themselves that they can deliver and we won’t care what age they are. We need people that are in it for the good of the country not people who want to get rich and favour their relatives.

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  45. #57 Chapi you’re right, to add on, age does not make one incapable. Leaders like Mugabe have not failed because of their age but because of their character. Quite often countless young leaders have failed their people and arguing that age is a factor for a good leader is baseless. Do not deprive the people of Zambia their basic rights, let them choose their leaders without interference and if they feel that someone is too old let them decide through the ballot box.

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  46. Fellow PF cadres,

    With our hope all dashed, why not have our leader Sata buy a farm from the Taiwanese funds where he could rule us in obscurity. The passage of this and lack of reaction will mean Zambians have bought the nonsense clause.I don’t see any reaction but our usual lame duck cyber insults without an audience. i have of late cut on blogging after realising that its a commitment without an audience. The same MMD with money and capacity to pay the Zk 7,000,000 internet installation fee don’t read our rubbish here.

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  47. what do you mean with age limit people.So do you mean that 62years lady in grade 3 in mumbwa should be expelled from school.Or that all those muture students at unza be excluded.Or all my grandparents in the villege stop agric.Or that sata should not stand just cause of age.No i think the best is to leave this in the hands of voters.

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  48. My soul pains because it is christle clear that it’s The Party of Fools(PF) that’s going to take control of GRZ come 2011, our country will become like Zimbabwe.

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  49. Only criminals, mentally incapable like LPM and Non-Zambians should be the only people excluded from the Presidential race.

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  50. I cant imagine how shallow minded those peaple sapporting inclussion of age limit are.The assertion here is that at a certain age ones heaalth detoriarates on the other hand these are the same people that are ruled by a sick president.Now Sick or old late the voters decide or find a better reason for inclussion of age limit.

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  51. There’s nothing Sata can do to develop Zambia. These types of leaders are so out of fashion. What Zambia needs now is a mentally updated leader, someone who understands science, technology and economics, Zed needs a clever leader who is up to date with all the new developments like the Bio-fuels, spread of aids, the effects of globle warming etc

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  52. come 2011 i tell u MMD will carry the day they are more organised and believe me it doesnt matter whether there will be aspirants of age 90, MPs who cant screw or whateva, that party will seize the day, here we are blogging and insulting H.E. LPM but quietly he has already started campaigning, mind u he has the rural vote its not 4 nothing that Chiefs are receiving loans, new cars and travelling the world, those same chiefs are his agents lets continue debating about this age limit lets carry on debating about the constitution whilst the seeds of the next government are sowed, PF won the kanyama by-election by a slim margin compared to 2006, LPM is zambias comeback kid, chuchu this and that

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  53. Fellow SHUSHUSHUS,

    With our hope all dashed, why not have our leader Maureen buy a farm from the Chinese funds where she could rule us in obscurity. The passage of this and lack of reaction will mean Zambians have bought the nonsense clause.I don’t see any reaction but our usual lame duck cyber insults without an audience. i have of late cut on blogging after realising that its a commitment without an audience. The same Demagogues with money and capacity to pay the Zk 7,000,000 internet installation fee don’t read our rubbish here.

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  54. Court summons Sata over defaming levy

    THE Lusaka magistrates’ court has summoned Patriotic Front president Michael Sata to answer charges of defaming President Levy Mwanawasa. …

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  55. Pragmatist,
    My apologies for using your name in # 70. Please understand me sometimes i don’t think i’m just too careless with my frustration. Its fatique after hoping against hope that Ba Sata would become Presido. It looks clear that you MMD have taken 2011 as a “Must Win” hence not supporting Tsvingirai in his quest.We are disorganised *****s evident from my lone blogging. All vultures have abandoned us.Now look you are preoccupying my boss with all charges.

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  56. If you understand international Politics and the balance of power theory, you will sense the danger with me over this move HE has been misled in. Angola’s Dos Santos has been in power since 1975 and he’s very sensitive to such maneuvers, while SA’s Mbeki is a regional Giant who doesn’t want to be undermined in the region roles. Other Countries such as the economically strong Botswana and Namibia are in self realignment for some meaningful roles in the regional power.The DRC is den of rebels of fortune among them are the – Mai Mai,loose Interahamwe (Kinyarwanda)& Koni’s Lord’s Resistance Army.Mozambique has re-activatable Renamo, Western Province/Caprive are Mutangelwa secessionists factions.

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  57. Chapi,
    My apologies for using your name in # 62. Please understand me sometimes i don’t think i’m just too careless with my frustration. Its fatique after hoping against hope that Maureen would become President. It looks clear that you have taken 2011 as a “Must Win” hence not supporting Mugabe in his quest.We are disorganised *****s evident from my lone blogging. All vultures have abandoned us.Now look you are preoccupying my boss with all charges.

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  58. Like parenthood over over rivalry children, in mediation you don’t condone acts that jeopardize impartiality of the mediator (HB 601 & HB 761).

    Now that President Mugabe is not turning up, what will be achieved in his absence at the summit? Who ever advised HE over this must be fired from his job. I beat you, this glitch will bruise HE’s legacy. Instead it will haunt the same leaders next time they hold their won elections if too close to call against some overzealous non law abiding opponents.

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  59. #76 This gentleman is not fit to be president of Zambia though he has an impressive academic and work resume.

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  60. Disband OP and we will have real democracy.All this nonsense about age discrimnation, moleen for prez., etc is because these Shsushus have no focus for their poor brains. They figure that an enemy of Zambia is a guy opposed to their current fellow in state house or his wife! Shame for having no serious goals and objectives for the organization.

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  61. Age limit and education are a must!!come rain or sunshine…those who want to boycott 2011 can do that!

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  62. #62 dear we learn from each other, this blog is very imprt in way that we share knowledge and experiences. Its very educative coz bloggers are diff parts of the world and share with us all so that we open up to the changing world. Thats why insults are a dirty game to all bloggers.

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  63. but no.62 Chapi lifonti ye, that’s what happens when u talk too much, he started off on the blog with some sense now guys have found a chink in his armour, he is now sounding more and more like his grandfather satana

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  64. FIRSTLY:
    Guys we can differ politically but not to the extend of insults.
    I totally agree with No.61 it`s about RESULTS and not age. Zambia need pipo who can deliver and not to be measured by age.
    SECONDLY:
    I belive this blog is for educating and advising one another and not for expression of our enemity or biasness.

    LET US BUILD ZAMBIA TOGETHER IN HARMONY

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  65. hie, why is that there is a minimum age for the job, but no maximum age?I fill there should be maximum age but it should not target at a particular person.
    However, if this rule is targeted at Sata, i feel it is fine so that he can learn a lesson, for him and chiluba drafted a consitution which was targeted at kaunda to block him from standing. Am sure he learn good lessons even at the age of 70+.
    i feel, however, that education is more important than age. lets consider putting education limits for a president. i feel a minimum of Masters degree can be reasonable. We dont want to be ruled by kaponya like person. lets learn from liberia which voted for someone educated not that footballer,

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  66. …….GEORGE. however it is good that this footballer is doing a bachelors degree in the USA.
    Zambia can do better than liberia in this area.

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  67. zambia can do better and is doing better than liberia everywhere even if they have diamonds we are better

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  68. While the republic constitution must be a dynamic document subject to change and not manipulated by Politicians, we need to look at ‘cases’ world-wide regarding ages of political Office bearers.. Senator McCain is quite advanced in age but american care-less about his age. As I understand, the word ‘senator’ comes from Italy and refer to ‘Elderly’people. The question is how old do we want our leaders to be esp the Presido?? Bearing in mind that we do not want a Govt of dinosours. We need new ‘blood’to join our political stratum

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  69. but no.89 mr nice lifonti ye, that’s what happens when u talk too much, he started off on the blog with some sense now guys have found a chink in his armour, he is now sounding more and more like his grandfather chipumputu

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  70. but no.90 lifonti ye, that’s what happens when u talk too much, he started off on the blog with some sense now guys have found a chink in his armour, he is now sounding more and more like his grandfather CHIPUMPUTU

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  71. yes there must be age limit to bar people like sata,the man has been in government for more than half a century what else does he want,we have a president now ,

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  72. If you want a constitution to be long-lasting, never attempt to include discrimatory clauses such as age limit, academic qualification, disability nature. Let anyone, Zambian ofcourse, stand and its up to the electorate to choose. Only democratically brave-cowards tend to include clauses that bar perceived political opponents. They are just wasting money by doing the work already done by the CRC, going around the country. Is this the way to create employement? what a constitution!!

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  73. Education is very important for any individual to attain in life but it must NOT be a prerequiste to leadership.There`s a big difference between KNOWLEDGE and WISDOM.Knowledge is what you acquire through education but wisdom is inherent.Mugabe is arguably the most educated sitting president but definately NOT the wisest.It wouldn`t hurt to have a leader who is wise and knowledgeable.

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  74. I want to refer some bloggers to review the grade 8 & 9 civic text books (zed) or being in the Diaspora means that you did not attend junior high school in zed? If you did, you would agree with me that you learnt about qualifications of a member of parliament/president, Hence we have a starting age, but the aspect of age limit was overlooked. This needs to be included to bar those who might wish to seek for 3rd, 4th or even 10th term bid. This is not targeted at any single individual but if one feel insecure about it, that’s very unfortunate. I strongly support the inclusion of the age limit clause in the constitution.

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  75. How about those who are brain-dead. Should they ran for office? Or indeed, STAY in office?

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  76. # 99.
    Civic there says, ” one must be of a sound mind”. Those that are braid-dead should be in Chainama.

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  77. Yes to age limit. Sata should feel the discrimination. He was behind the inclusion of a clause in the constitution which barred Kaunda from standing on grounds of parentage. ‘A Sata chaona mzako chapita mmawa chili pa iwe’.

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  78. Prof Mutengo Waminga LLB (UNZA) LLM, MA PHD (Oxford) where did you steal all those qualifications from because it seems the shallowness of one who is extreamly ignorant and brain washed is still in you you should be ashamed of yourself. this law would clearly be biased as it would be singling out individuals who felt that they still have something to offer the nation. let the peoples vote decide who is too old and who is not. this just goes to show how low some will stoop to try and eleminate all competition. let us attain leadership stature through democratic means not cheap underhand methods. we have always been one as zambians, so lets keep it that way please.

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  79. #28 you want my picture? Iwe ka Britney Spears can you handle me? Since you have given me to month end I will post is soon-maybe I will scan my qualifications too

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  80. Age limit is good.Sata should not be the cause for including this clause.If he will be affected then let him not stand for presidency.Taiwan ,Taiwan , we deserve better.We need someone who has seen the inside of a lecture theater and has probably lecture mates from any University not these PHDs Guys pick at Two Weeks workshops.

    If you do not go to school, do not stand for Presidency .

    Tired of dull characters in government vehicles.

    Give us a break you fishermen and former UNIP cadres.

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  81. The problem with Africans is that we talk too much and do very little.We need to instill discipline in our youngones and productive age groups as well.With all fairness how can someone who has never been to any University in this century become a republican president.Look at China from the president to the deputy directors in ministries only graduates .No wonder they are developing.Now you have ministers who are grade two drop outs what are they going to present for implementation.Until this nonsense is addressed all we are dreaming about a better Zambia is merely time wasting.

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  82. we need to understand that age is also important with the things we do.And if one is old we all know that even the resornin becomes low and from that i can oso say that they is need for age limit to be a presindent of of any nation which needs development like Zambia.sata is oso old i think HH is still fresh…….chooooo

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