PF cadres yesterday forced their way into the High Court foyer as some taunted and insulted police officers.
Some started chanting political slogans as Judge Gregory Phiri was hearing the party’s application to discharge the injunction in which the State is supporting the 27 Patriotic Front (PF) members of Parliament. The injunction is aimed at restraining PF from expelling its MPs for participating in the National Constitutional Conference (NCC).
Solicitor-General Dominic Sichinga said before Judge Phiri that the State’s position was that the injunction be sustained.
“The core public interest of the State is the integrity of the body known as NCC and integrity of NCC Act number 17 of 2007 by virtue of which the NCC was established.
“We submit that there is greater anxiety about prospects of a new constitution. It has taken many years for the country to have the NCC and enacting the NCC Act,” Mr Sichinga said.
He said the plaintiffs were MPs elected to enact laws and if their injunction were discharged, the constitution-making process would suffer setbacks, which in effect would not be atoned for in damages.
And the MPs’ lawyer Mutakela Lisimba said there was sufficient disclosure and a clear arguable claim that needed to be determined.
Mr Lisimba implored the court to rule in favour of the 18 MPs.
He said if the MPs were expelled from the party, they would suffer irreparable injury and their right to participate in party politics could not be atoned for in damages.
Mr Lisimba said for any democratic establishment, which the PF was, it should allow its members to agree or disagree.
Another plaintiffs’ lawyer Mwangala Zaloumis said the defendants caused delay in setting date for hearing the exparte injunction.
Ms Zaloumis said the defendants sought leave to appeal to the Supreme Court and the matter was adjourned sine die while waiting for the appeal to be heard.
“It is misleading to the court to say that the plaintiffs delayed the matter,” she said.
But defence lawyer Bonaventure Mutale maintained that the injunction should be discharged because there was no legal basis to continue sustaining it.
Mr Mutale said Mr Sichinga’s argument that discharging the injunction would negatively affect NCC proceedings was misconceived and misguided.
“The absence of 18 MPs is not likely to disrupt the NCC proceedings,” he said.
He asked the court to take judicial notice of media statements by PF Matero MP Faustina Sinyangwe in which she had been quoted as saying the party expelled her before the MPs sought the injunction.
He submitted that the restrictive injunction the MPs sought would not serve any purpose with regard to her.
“I submit that whatever ruling the court will deliver will and should not apply to Mrs Sinyangwe,” he said.
Another defence lawyer Mumba Kapumpa said it was not likely that the MPs would suffer irreparable damage if the injunction were discharged.
Judge Phiri set December 22, 2008, as the date for ruling.
[Zambia Daily Mail]
PF-poor finishing
Are we to believe that all those in the picture are PF cadres? Or are some of them just loofers and find engaging in such activities as passing time.
crazy people. President Band should meet with Sata and tell him to tell his PF cadre to Behave
Most of those people are not PF cadres. they are just loafers who had absolutely nothing to do because of absuard poverty in the country. The Majority are MMD cadres.
Have they never heard of “contempt of court?”
#4 Hey look at the guy with a stick in the hands. Is that an MMD chitenge he has wrapped around him? It is PF chitenge. This is the core of PF..thugs. Real loafers are just at home and moving up and down looking for piece work. This is the real PF
At first I wasn’t in favor of these protest,demostations that Ba PF have been planning.I stronglyb condemned them.But after I thought about it I realised that sometimes we rush to condemn pipo before thinking of the other side of the coin.what am trying to say is.we condemn pipo without really take into consideration why they are doing it.Pipo of Zambia are really tired of the MMD,and they really wanted change,unfortunately VJ and others rigged the election results.They (pipo) thought having election was a peaceful way of removing the unwanted political party from power,now that elections could not do anything that’s why they have resolved to protest/demostrate.2 be continued
nambala NINE!
contd.
Fellers as much as we condemn these pipo lets also think of a reason why they are doing it.Change we need yes we can pa ZED.
bulls**t
LELO LELO OSANAMIDWA BOZA LELO LELO LELO
PABWATOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Those PF MPs should just resign. Why are they hanging on to the Party that they have no loyalty to. MMD just adopt those stubborn children what are afraid of? Dont talk about the cost of bye elections because when it favours you you have gone for it.
Iwe Ka # what contempt when the judges are in contempt themselseves? Justice Ngulube was party to Chiluba’s plunder thats why he could never go against him and I can assure you that even now its happenning. Away with MMD its time for a revolution.
Mwe bantu these are ma MPs who have been bribed, they can go to HELL
LT do not rubbish my message. These MPs make me mad. Especially my MP whose personality is far below the guy(MMD)he beat. He went through because of PF. Now am calling on him to resign now and stand on what ever ticket and that will be the end of him.
#4
who told you anyone clad in a PF Chitenge is a PF cadre??? My dear it doesnt go like that. Even me at times i wear an MMD chitenge at home, but that doesnt imply that i belong to the MMD. If anything i hate the name itself.
VIVA SATA VIVA
VOTE RIGGING, GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT. BA LAW ENFORCEMENT BALI KWIIII, NAB THESE HULLIGANS & OUR PEACEFUL NATION MUST BE FREE FROM VIOLENCE, NAKU MA COURT KWAKUPENENA BUSHE?? WE WILL CONTINUE BEING RULED IN POVERTY,UNEMPLOYMENT E.T.C ON THE HANDS OF SELFISH MINDS THAT ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN FATTENING THEIR POCKETS. NAYA, NA DELELE YALI NONA
All these activities we are seeing as pointed out by No. 7 are as a result of people being frustrated at failure to change government. MMD post 1991 had a calm period where we all said let us give them chance to work. Now that they have had 17 years of wanton destruction of the one zambia one nation fibre on which our state was founded and anchored, thus the chaos you are seeing. We are tired of pro rich policies of MMD oblivious of the suffering masses. The elite are being appointed to countless task forces and raping the resources of this country. We need real change not just change of presidents. MMD zwaaaaa!!!!.
If they can force themselves into high court,next mu state house no man will stop them
Can all of you who are saying nonsense against pf shut up please. Who told you that those people have nothing to do? There are mps there who are running big busineses.Some just left there offices to go and support my president Sata.Even during the campaigns people wre leaving there busy schedules,to go and listen to what sata is saying.Thats how much people love Sata. If you hate him,dont think everyone does. Who do you think you are to talk against Sata like that!poverty mentality is very bad,if you go to uk or Usa.you get confused and start talking rubish against other people.Leave Sata alone and continue to be looked at as useless creatures by the whites,were you are.
pabwato
Let them resign from PF so that we go for by elections, they all won just because they stood on the PF ticket! The mambalas cant make it politically on their own! They just used Mr Sata and turned against him. Shame
Exactly #22 tell them. PF is not about hating
frustrated satanits. Go to hell. RB is in charge. If you mishave you will be locked up.
Imbwa izi
Go to hell “anonymous” nizakumenya
mbeba ni mbeba
I mean anonymous #26
Is anyone here in Lusaka?
unfortunately not
Anyone in Lusaka to email me at [email protected] we link up for a drink. I dont want any attacks and stinkers if you re not up to it, dont write to me!
Next time pumpy, will mail u
What is surprising is that PF seeks the law yet they seem not to be ready for the Law. What type of people are PF cadres? Are they trained to behave the way they do or it is coincidence that they belong to the same party. Anyway, this is not too unique occurence because even the Minibus drivers and conductors behave the same way even though they have not recieved any common training. The conclusion is that human behave can be contegeous sometimes. Especially when the class of people involved is easily modifiable by mob factors.
Anonymous to hell with your RB. RB doesnt know what he is doing. It was not his dream to be president,so the man is confused the brain is jammed,people who are closer to him cant advice they are just useless parasites. The likes of Mulongoti,teta,shikapwasha and other old tired brains.What can these do? Nothing and as a result the country is in a mess.Banda doesnt even want to talk!
Chewe I have started campeining for you for 2011.
And these are the people you want to put in govt. What a shame!! They do not understand law and they think everything is a just about shouting. What a level of anarchy? Do these people even understand why KK built so many schools and libraries? Sata must be banned from poltics just the Thailand prime minister was. LAZ, can you spearjhead this fight and save Zambia from anarchy. Ban Sata from poltics for life.
#22. Chewe,
Who can fail to go and listen to a commedian who offers free performance?
Sata is very entertaining when it comes to rallies. This why he pulled alot of people during his rallies in the justed ended election campaigns. Even in Mazabuka, Choma, livingstone, Mongu, etc he was pulling thousands upon thousands causing him to think he had support. But when it came to voting he was getting 600, 100, 52, votes and so on in these areas. So those MPs who left their business to listen to Sata were looking for nothing after their busy schedules but recreation and free entertainment which Sata provides.
Good point NUMB 22..tell them
#34. Thanks. Whats wrong with you Fine? If you have nothing to say go and join Mix Njombwinjo!
YOU CHAPS. GET IT RIGHT. PF CADRES ARE NOT “FORCING THEIR WAY INTO THE HIGH COURT”. THEY ARE RIGHTLY GOING TO GIVE MORAL SUPPORT TO THEIR LEADERS. JUST LIKE IF RB WAS TAKEN TO COURT FOR STEALING PUBLIC FUNDS AND USING THE SAME FUNDS FOR BRIBING THE ELECTORATE. (ALTHOUGH THAT NEVER HAPPENED BECAUSE ZAMBIANS HAVE NEVER SET STANDARDS FOR THEMSELVES-THEY ACCEPT ANYTHING). ALSO BE REMINDED THAT THOSE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN ARE FIGHTING FOR EVERY ZAMBIAN. WHEN ZAMBIA IS CORRECTED THEY WILL NOT BE ENJOYING ALONE, BUT ALL…
#39. cont’d
Do you know that even some MPs and officials from other parties such as UNIP, UPND, MMD etc would sneek in to attend Sata’s rallies for the sake of entertainment and relaxing after busy schedules. It is fanny that even the post which at one point people thought were analytical could not tell that people wanted simply to get free entertainment and recreation. this man, SATA is in a wrong career that is why he keeps losing elections. If he had found a job at Holywood in the USA during his early days of life, he would have been a world star by now. This should be a lesson to all young people that when choosing a career be careful and get much reasonable advice.
Whether you say Sata this and Sata that, people stil love him and he didnt get all those votes for nothing even if he was to stand today, i would vote for him and i know many people would vote for him. Its just a pity that there was no votes registration the last time. Otherwise 2011 is very near and you Fine, may just swallow your words!
basata sorry big man you never rule zed your time has already past so just concentrate on your city adveristers at farmers house too bad for Dr. Kaseba you will never be first lady with such type of cadres who do not have anything to do what type of a country can zambia be if you have someone like mr. sata in office sure mwebantu be realistic better with nyama soya than basata period.
PF U LOST…USE URE TIME TO WORK AND FEED YOUR HUNGRY BELLIES…STOP WASTING TIME…
MMD WON FAIR AND SQUARE…AND EVEN IF THEY DINT WIN FAIR AND SQUARE…GUESS WHAT THEY STILL OCCUPY STATE HOUSE…
I am not even suprised. Anywhere where there is political unrest, it is always and I mean always 99.999999999999% PF.
We shouldn’t even be suprised. This is the real PF.
#41. Pumpy,
I will tell you one thing; Facts remain facts whether or not they are acknowledged, whether or not they are appealing to our ears, whether or not we like them. It is like a man who has malaria; even when he says i dont have it it will be there, until he probably takes Coaterm or the like. He can go about condeming the lab tech for giving him results that show he is malaria++. So Sata needs to acknowledge that his rallies do not yield the desired result. Now, ask anyone as to whether Sata is entertaining or not, few will say he is not. Myself for example I dont miss his radio and TV interviews; I enjoy them so much, evem my kids know. But I can’t vote for SATA.
PLEASE, SOMEONE DROP OFF SATA AT HIS FARM. IT IS RAINY SEASON BA SATA, GO AND FARM. WE ARE TIRED OF YOU.
#44. Pumpy,
Even me I love Sata so much. How do I hate someone who entertains me?
I love SATA, I love my children, my family and friends. But just as I am not voting for my kids, family and friends, I WONT vote for SATA. I believe that you dont have to hate someone to deny them your vote, unless that is in the blatest curriculum which came after I had already got my first degree
LT. DONT EVER SENSOR YOUR BLOG. WHAT GOES UP WILL COME DOWN. WHEN A BLOG ANWERABLE TO THE ZAMBIAN PEOPLE COMES INTO EXISTENCE, YOU WILL BE ABUNDONED.
pabwatooooooooooooo
#49, well said. It is this Sata and the thief Chiluba who have no concept of understanding the value of hard work. If we all spent time talking like Sata and Chiluba what would we be eating to day? Sata and Chiluba are two very useless politicians we have ever known. Can somone throw them in the pit latrine please. We are fed up of these two parasites.
39 FINE. You are a serious joker. If your so called hardworking MPs were hardworking Zambia would have been competing with US of A. You see, I always say Zambians have rock-bottm (extremely, if any, low), standards. If fine thinks SATA provides entertaiment in his eyes and hears, he’s got another low level of under-development coming. My friend, hardworking MPs are in Botswana. Go there and see for yourself if you can afford a bus/air return ticket. You will definitely see for yourself. it is plain. Even as compared to Malawi there no standards in Zambia.
#54 well said. And you Fine what Mr sata is, let me put it simply for you, is that he understands what an ordinary Zambian is going thru. Maybe you dont know but as for me am right here in Zambia and in Lusaka and i can assure you that there is poverty like you have never seen. The gap between the rich and the poor is so huge and Mr sata identifies himself with the many poor.
#54. Peter,
You state like you are not aware of what is happening in Zambia.
Zambia is where it is now because of SATA and his Chiluba who he wanted to continue ruling this nation even after his two terms were over. SATA is promissing to bring development to Zambia when he failed for 10 years of being in power. Today he claims he was not in the steering seat and you belive him without slightest analysis. What would he have done different from chiluba if he had been in the steering seat when he was already happy with Chiluba to the extent of fighting the Chiluba goes for ‘3rd Term’ after being convinced that Chiluba had overdelivered to the Zambian people. Today he becomes your hero?
Pabwatooo, yaba am late…
#55. Pumpy,
If you are aware that he did, can you explain why SATA championed that Chiluba goes for ‘third term’ if at all he had Zambia’s development at heart? I am not moved by emotions, rather by analysis. Can you state some of the possible solutions Sata is offering now concerning the financial crisis which has led to copper prices gowing down, exchange rates going up and food prices going up. All I hear is let us demonstrate. If he was in state house would he solve these global factors by demos or by economic approach? Guys let us be serious, are we that easy to cheat?
Sata cant tell me he can do better than Chiluba, when he told the nation Chiluba was the only man for Zed?
Zambia is a democracy. Therefore I can only end at advising people not to be cheated by SATA. In democracy we dont force but simply advise. If you want to be cheated, that is part of your freedoms and choices. All I will tell is that for me it is not possible to be cheated by SATA. You say SATA is identifying with the poor; well, he identified with them for 10 years what did they get in turn apart from killing industry and causing job losses? He see the poor, most of whom have little or no analysis and he amanipulates them by saysing he idenfies with them. He goes to Mongu and tells people he would honour the Barotse Agreement. I am happy the lozis were too good for him to manipulate.
VIVA SATA!!!!
#45 and fine your heads are just their for you to look as normal human beings.But inside there is totally nothing. you are just behaving like the old tired finished and useless brains that are in MMD.you even have the guts to say Sata should be banned he is just a commedian. What type of people did Sata receive the most of his votes from? The people along the line of rail,and do you think us the educated can just Vote for a commedian,a person who is not serious no we cant.But its because we are able to see sense in the way sata articulates issues.Dont just have heads for decorations.
#54 I admit Zambians are not suposed to be where they are but what poor is Sata identifying with. Whats this thing of sata being an econmic saviour. If he is then he is a very bad saviour. He and Chiluba sent Zambia ten years backwards and today he is a champion. don’t be simple minded. THINK !
People must understand that no thief will come to you and tell you I am a thief. They will come and look at your weakness and use them to win your heart, then when they have been given room they wire you up.
SATA sees the suffering of the people and uses it opportunistically. I will tell you that what SATA talks about most of it is very correct, I acknowledge that fact. But I dont acknowledge that what he talks about he will do it, No, no! He simply can’t do it. He will only use it to deceive you. What SATA can do for you would not go beyond what they did to you with Chiluba. SATA was convinced that Chiluba delivered beyond expectations of Zambians and that he was the only one who could.
Sorry #54 I meant #55
Fine! you are one of the few sensible bloggers on here! The likes of Pumpy are pure PF cadres, they see sense where there is none. For how long has Sata been in politics? What is he going to do differently this time around? Remember Sata left MMD simply because he was not hand picked by Chiluba, period! All Sata caders should realise that their man is not presidential material, he has no brains, he only talks crap!
If this is not Zambia’s party of the future, I don’t know what will be.
Go! The Citizens Democratic Party Go!
Fine.
You are just useless
Some of you are just ill mannered. Sata has not made this current problems Zambia is facing.Without PF, MMD would have been running without checks and balance. Salary increments for politicians when the world is facing credit crunch is a short sighted and ill timed.
Poverty is reaching climax point and many of us think Sata by speaking against this is a bad guy. It is the same you guys whose relatives are suffering whether in employment or not.
I don’t know why people have failed to see how FINE is blinded by the little favors he enjoys from the government.
He is living well he can spend time on the blog, can take his childrens to school and he can get to point B from A….so he is entintled to his bias…
#61. Chewe,
Most of Sata’s vote came from kaponyas. I am educated my friend and I did not vote for SATA. Sata scored votes in compounds where kaponyas are. That is your group I believe and if that is the education you are talking about, then being cheated will never end.
I have just realised that are the people who praise Chiluba’s leadership. That is not surprising because even SATA your Boss thinks Chiluba’s leadership is the best Zambia can ever have. Because of that SATA spent sleepless nights trying to force a change of constitution to make Chiluba a ‘Muyaya’ type of a leader. You look very geared to be deceived, I am not paid to prevent you from being a victim of SATA; go on!
Whatever the side, the fact is there is increased urban poverty and unfortunately more and more younger and energetic people are still flocking to the few cities we have in view of better opportunities as the rural areas remain stagnant with poor or no roads/bridges and other essential facilities not to mention inadequate agric activities/retains.Those unemployed masses or piece workers in towns would naturally be growing food for themselves and selling some to the town dwellers, so naturally unga manje nikudula mutengo since tabalima!The MMD govt seems has not made rural devp a priority only too much politiking.
“Fine” you are fine. Some people don’t seem to read the mind of a politician. Those that have been on the Zambian political scene know exactly what kind of a politician Sata is; opportunist. Unfortunately things did not go his way with the Chiluba’s third term bid. His time is up!
Fine. shut up.
69. The Spectator!!
If blogging here comes from benefits from MMD, then ‘the spectator’ is one of the beneficiaries of MMD.
Taking children to school should not come because someone has got benefits from MMD. I would be shocked if all the PF cadres are NOT taking their children to school. SATA himself has children in school, so Mr spectator go and tell SATA to confess to the nation that he is getting benefits from MMD. Man, just tell your fellow PF cadres to take their kids to school; it does not need to be from benefits from MMD, we call it hard work my friend. I have PF friend who can never think like that. They have better perception of issues.
#72. Observer
I am thankful for people like you who can see issues from an analytical point of view. Imagine if everybody was PF, there would be no tangible analysis in this blog. All they will tell you is:
“we love Sata”
“We hate RB”
“Let us demonstrate”
They think if the whole world can demonstrate the global financial crisis can end. They think if Sata was president he would just tell Bush, Blare, Hu, and all other world leaders to declare a day of massive demo throughout the world and that would end the crisis.
No class
One would think that a man, who claims to be interested in “Democracy and analysis, not in ideology” like FINE, would have avoided the temptation of being blinded by orthodox political ideology and concentrated instead on the practical policy questions raised in the my last comments. However, like a 6-year old boy anxious to show off his new toy, FINE chose to impress upon us his knowledge of the old theoretical dogma of MMDian comparative advantage and thrives on the few weakeness of an individual (SATA) (all of which are being somewhat discredited by by most of Patriotic Zambians not those blinded by DOGMA).
#77. The Spectator!!
You canno manage to raise any mature and tangible issue to the zambians if you have no capacity to explain here why SATA for for ‘Third Term’.
Did Sata fight for Third Term in the Interested of all Zambians or for his selfish gain?
You can choose to call me a boy or blinded I dont mind. I never respect you if you fail to explain why SATA had high regard for Chiluba whom you PF cadres want to beat today?
You will not convince me you are mature if you are unable to differentiate between SATA’s actions and his words
A person is not considered mature on the basis of hearing, but on the basis of listening and analysing.
Keep away from PF soon or later SATA will MMD ABASH
PABWATO
Ichunfwila chisuma.
#70,am not a kaponya myself. Am educated,principled,smart guy,i bath everyday and am comfortable.But i feel bad to see the majority zambians suffering.Are you telling me that the teachers,doctors,nurses,engineers Cbu students and uza students etc.Are these kaponyas?this is the group of people who voted for sata.All classes of people.You should start bathing dirty on your boady is confusing you.The same with useless poverty mentality Fine!
And Mr Spectator!! if you think you can persuade me to concentrate on SATA’s ‘strengs’ and avoid his ‘weaknesses’ forget it. In fact i already talked about Sata’s strenghts’, the greast being that of being a ‘commedian’.
But let me tell you that you will never persuade to stop looking on Sata’s weaknesses and focus on his strengths, that wont happen at all.
#82. Chewe,
No one is happy to see zambians suffer, and the MMD may not even be doing what is expected. But to think that SATA is an alternative is unimaginable. I may not agree with everything MMD is doing, but I cannever pick on SATA as an option, No, no, no. Far from it!
#82. Chewe
You sound familiar with dirty.
why do you keep rasing the issue of ‘dirty’.
I wish i was in position to help you.
Fine!
take it easy man…and take it slow on your hatred man…really you need to take it easy and look at both sides of the coin…
Fine i say dirty on your body,because of your fithy and nasty vomits from your beak against Sata.From the days when i was at secondary,people used to call me,the smartest boy in school.We Chinangwa iwe.
PF, guys you are imbarasing us!!! Please avoid such acts, you cause such an act at the court them what? Thats crazy, let the law handle things..
Fine!
i RESPECT YOU MAN AND I ALWAYS VALUE YOUR DISCUSSIONS…BUT SLOW DOWN ON THE HATRED MATE.
Since Rupiah Banda became the president of Zambia:
1. Salaries of Mps, cabinet ministers and himself where increased
2. Over 300 miners or more have lost their jobs(Kansanshi Mine to axe 298 jobs)
3.Unza & CBU tuition fees have been increased
4. for the first time in about five years Zambia has a no Bumper harvest
5.The price of mealie has gone up
6. The kwacha has depreciated
7. Inflation is 19%
8.”Plunderers” are becoming bold: Xavier is back, Chiluba has a new found confidence.
Zambians, this is just the begining of the worst to come I can bet on that, Zimbabwe part 2?
Now that the copper high bubble has burst, can someone tell me what alternative economic plan Sata and his PF have come up with to justify their empathy for the suffering majority of Zambians. The truth is that not long from now; a lot of Zambians will start losing their jobs. This is no time for meaningless demonstrations; this is the time to think hard for solutions to the problems we will encounter not long from now.
I believe that “political Dogma” is a dangerous, nonsensical concept. When I say “political Dogma” I do not mean political analysis that uses theory and strives to be factual or even speculates about the future in an informed manner. I have no quarrel with political analysis, or even with such political analysis that is described by its authors as “political Dogma” like in the case of Fine!, either as a matter of course or as a way of impressing the gullible. What I do oppose is the belief that just because an individual made a politcal mistake once, should be haunted by it all his life, as in the case of Fine on SATA!
Sata being ‘seasoned’ should know he is wasting his time and money agains the intelligent crooks he left in MMD. Has he forgotten ho w he used OP to move things for his party then? What makes him think he can win a court battle now when Mazoka, who had a stronger case failed-in a country where Chief Justice is an appointee. Sata is for the archaives now. He should have worked with HH. MMD crooks, please spare Zed
PABWATOOOO
#7 execellent points. when the plunders riggid the elections it was ok, when the plunders increased their pays it is ok. pipo do you know how much MPs are getting paid by sitting at NCC meetings. as zambians we need to get together force this plunders to stop making their pockets heavy while a common man is suffering with no food in the mouth. slepping presido am the 1st to say merrry xmas and sad 2009 for you.
A silent ‘revolution’ executed through the people power is playing out in the country.It is coming out by pressuring leaders to make decisions and take the road they would not have chosen, like sharing of power and supporting the recommendations of Justice Philip Waki on post-election violence. It is also discernible from the forced price cuts for essentials such as unga and petrol, as witnessed this week. It casts the picture of a Kenyan voter — caught in the circumstance where there is no official opposition and rising cynicism on politicians — rising up to be heard.Kenyans pressurised Members of Parliament to eat from the sweat of their brow through paying tax on their fat monthly
contd,Kenyans pressurised Members of Parliament to eat from the sweat of their brow through paying tax on their fat monthly cheques. Despite their defiant silence and Speaker Kenneth Marende’s declaration that only those ‘sufficiently philanthropic’ can do so, the legal process for taxing them is on the table. The voter simply warned those who resist would meet their political Waterloo in 2012’s elections.When Prime Minister Raila Odinga and Agriculture Minister William Ruto visited Kibera last week for a symbolic PM’s ‘homecoming’, they were confronted with chants for the reduction of maize meal. The Cabinet took action and prices came down almost by half.
contd, When power tariffs soared to the skies over a year’s period, again the average Kenyan’s loud remonstrations seared the ears of the leaders and the President ordered a reduction, through slashing energy tax. This week, pump stations’ fuel prices fell by about Sh15 a litre, first because of shrinking global prices, but more because of public pressure on The Government to return price controls on the commodity if the dealers held on. Previously, prices hardly fell by the same margin as in the international market. Dealers always retained the old prices, arguing they were clearing the old stock secured at a higher cost.
contd, “We are going to see more of this as Kenyans exercise their powers. In the next level they will consolidate these powers. They are no longer going to be taken for granted,’’ argued Wainaina.
Former Kabete MP Paul Muite said ‘real’ change could only come when the citizen is part of the process. He said what is happening in the country is ‘commendable’ and healthy because Kenyans are now demanding their rights.”Change will never come from a few people. Kenyans have realised that successive governments have been of the rich, for the rich and by the rich,’’ Muite said.
Contd, The former lawmaker said the beauty of the ‘revolution’ taking place in the country is that it involves all Kenyans and there is no issue of tribalism. He said everybody is being hurt by the high prices irrespective of tribe.Muite believes that once the citizens have a proper taste of their power, they will continue to demand more and more, especially good governance. source eastandard dot net
PF you lost grip of your self. We were 100% behind you but this behavior is absolutly horrible. This is typical Kaponya for you.
“New Zambia” there is one thing I have observed in your writing. Nowhere is there a mention of violence in the Kenyan demonstrations, and that’s how it should be. However, when Sata calls for demos, it’s accompanied with statements such as “we will make government ungovernable”. Look at the damage done on the Copperbelt. You don’t have to break stuff to make your point, those are colonial tactics.
Carefull with the way you open your mouths against Sata,you speak rubish against him we give you what you deserve.we are everywhere at bus stations you wil find us,unza,Cbu,the army,in offices we are there,most of the civil servants.we are all over nipabwato fye!
# 103 NA muma farms we are found
I work on a farm in mukushi farming block before 2009 maize will be US$ 450 per ton and maize meal i will leave it to you MMD cadres.
Lets go PF lets go, if those MP’s think they are popular in their constituencies let them resign and testes their popularity, why clinging to the party which has expelled them. Viva PF and Hon SATA , we ‘re solitary behind the boat. Nipa bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaato fye
Even on this blog, we are the majority! Nipabwato chabe.
I feel bad about our 95% our people wallowing in poverty but these villagers are to blame for voting unwisely, so let the chats sufer with the high prices of mealie meal so next time they will vote wisely though the MMD (Movement for Mad Dogs) rigged the last elections.Viva Pabwatooooooooooooooooooooo
N#107 thats correct ni pa bwatttttttttttttttttttto fye though VJ and kafupi rigged the last elections, VJ and kafupi should concentrate drinking their ARV’s instead of concentrating rigging the elcctions
Am i the only one who has noticed that the most pathetic discussions on LT happen wen there is partisan politics. For that reason i never engage in such topics. but u all reserve the rite to ur opinions just like me and i will forever respect that.
No. 86 Spectator If ever there was hatred it spews from you look at your blog at number 69 where you show hatred towards FINE. You are the one who is blinded and biased through your hatred for anyone opposed to Sata. In blog 77 do you have to call FINE a six year old? Come on grow up.
No. 103 Chewe A coward like you will never give us his true identity so that we can see if he can give us, “what you (we) deserve”. Why are you hiding behind a psuedoname if you are such a big bad tough guy?
No. 87 Chewe Did you know that A f.o.o.l amongst i.m.b.e.c.i.l.e.s will always look smart?
No. 107 Chewe You say even on this blog you are the majority but unfortunately you are not the majority amongst the voters. That is the majority that counts and it is with RB my friend. That is why he won and Sata lost.
Guys think twice do you think pipo who vote are cadres?not at all genuine pipo vote for what they think is right.A Mannger who voted for sata can be found in such an audience.It is just thugs we see in the picture.Look at Sata he looks like a thug too.No wonder he lost the election becauce a thug can not be president of the counrty.
Stup!d PF bloggers don’t be ashamed of your own cadres saying “anyone can wear PF chitenge”,thats rubbish!You hide under different flags but in reality you’re just like those pipo shown up there.
ba Fine naimwe nikwisa mubomba pakuti mulelanda pali kateka wesu,sata.
Thats typical thugs of PF! I shudder to imagine what our country would be like to ruled by thugs like these with their chief thug SATA! God forbid.
PF mentality is backward and will take the country backward also. People should be allowed to voice their political opinions but within the law. When you start chipping away at the rule of law you are only making a rod with which to hit your own back. We all benefit from living in a country where there is no anarchy. Look at what is happening in Somalia, the Congo to name but a few. If Sata had vision, he would see that it is this thuggish behaviour that puts potential supporters off. This is even more so as regards rural voters who are not from his northern heartland.
Viva PF Viva away with people from the village. This is not MBala ala! :d
Honestly even if its democracy mwe bantu sure, I really wonder. I do not blame pf supporters but their thinking capacity. How can you vote for a party which has no written manifesto whereby you cannot track or question what they promised yesterday. Their manifesto is in Sata’s heard even his committe members do not have any record thats why when you ask them how are you going to put free money in people’s pockets they say Sata knows. Even Given Lubinda the secretary general does not have any record of their manifesto and if you ask him something sometimes of what they promise he cannot say anything.#cont.
I am from the north but I cannot say in the name of making a change I should settle on Sata please, its like saying for a change am tired of eating everyday and then let me change for roten meat. If thats what you mean by change then I would rather be stuck with rb because sata is one of the founder members of mmd’s poor policies. Mwanawasa tried to build the economy but the time was too short, so we need someone to continue from where he left but not sata. What makes me wonder is sata was No. 3 in the chiluba regime of economic plunder, humanising, mismanagement of resources etc what new thing can he promise today that I can believe, forget.
Can you imagine this sata man without any manifesto he went to Northern province during one of his ralies and promised youths there that when he becomes president they will not be doing anything just enjoying drinking beer and he will be giving them free money. I really wondered as to what if he won the elections those youths were going to be on his neck demanding for that free money to buy beer and if he failed then he would have denied saying those words because there is no written record, chaos was to be inevitable. Even if all wise people are dead sata would not be my choice for change he can just divide the nation with his roten mouth.
As for sata this is the closest he has gotten to power and thats where he ends. If is means change let us change for something better and not for worse. How can a normal human being, who understands the sufferings of Zimbabweans say he supports Mugabe. Thank God people of zed thought twice not to vote for him because he was going to be an embarassment to SADC. Can you say Mugabe speaks for the poor people of Zimbabwe when they are dwelling in poverty. We need to stop this other Mugabe from ruling. #fine you are right what an intelligent person. Of course zed cannot accept to be ruled by grade 4s in the name of sata.
As for Sata to be president GOD FORBID PLEASE. BaSata mukulima kumunshi if you are not ready start parking now, I already have money for fuel for you Ba mudala. For presidency forget.
#120 – just what kind of society do you want Zambia to be? In one breath you are supposedly for poor Zambians and in the next breath you think that villagers and rural dwellers who are mostly poor should be ‘done away with’. Your thinking is completely warped. You claim MMD are anti democracy because according to you and without any evidence they ‘rigged’ the votes and yet when people exercise their democratic right you want to do away with them. I think that PF supporters need to be schooled on the basic tenents of democracy. Perhaps then they will stop their thuggish behaviour and see Sata for what he really is – a power hungry populist without a proper vision for Zambia who will
only bring division and suffering on our beloved country. Some of us are proud of where we come from (Mbala) but that does not mean we insult anybody simply because they happen to disagree with us. Perhaps some of you PF supporters would do well to learn that and you never know, you might even convince us to support you. But as the PF stands now under the leadership of Sata, I just to pray to God everyday that he never ever sets foot in State house.
SATA NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO God forbid. This man is a thug and he will rule by the thugs. What democracy? If only our courts and police had capacity I would have loved these thugs to be caged for their behaviour. But wait, dont blame these thugs for they are just following their leader. A party with no manifesto, a party with no agenda except tax rhetoric – what a nonsense. Sata please can you reign in your thugs and atleast let the world know that a grade 4 like you can sometimes think.
Ba Sata mukulima kumunshi. I will also add money for your transport. Yeah for presidency forget.
Sata go and farm. I am ready to pay for your fuel to wherever your farm is. We are sick sick sick and tired of you. Please, we want peace. Leave us in peace and contribute to the country.
Go and farm. If you want I am more than willing to pay for your fuel. ~X(
Thee goes the the justice system :d
Sata the only voice and hope for the poor
Free Market Capitalist
Which farm are you talking about ,y dont you become a real capitalist in Zed rather than making irritating noise.Are you benefiting from the current state of affairs.
At 70, Fine states that Kaponyas voted for Sata in town.This is simplistic and grossly misleadig.The implication of this statement is that educated people in town never voted for Sata and rushed to rural areas to give RB resounding victory in those areas.Further,it is a fact that relatively, the highest concentration of literate citizens is in urban areas and therefore,if Sata won in these areas then he is the more likely to have been voted for by many enlighted citizens opposed to RB.This is a simple law of probability.
goodness gracious me, wat the devil is that? do they even understand wat the NCC is?
Most loafers,uneducated band lawless are pf anyway.Even among lawyers Mumba kapumpa has never ever won a case in court and he is pf.All they are doing is wasting time and money instead of doing meaningful activities for the party or the gvt
mr Sata should concede defeat ,its only proper and its about time he is very greedy and i believe he is simply inculcating a culture of insurbordination typical of him*-:)
pabwatoooooooooooooooooooooo :d/:d/:d/
132. EYE FOR DETAIL,
What you said is the biggest problem of PF. You lack analysis, even of the slightest kind.
Sata winning in town does not imply he was voted by the educated, not at all.
If you did not lack knowledge you would have been aware that 70% of town dwellers are uneducated.
You would also have known that 98% of Sata’s rallies are attended by the uneducated.
It is therefore shocking that anyone would ever think that winning in town means you have support of the elite.
Anyway, by PF standards even grade 4s are educated. So the statistics of illiteracy are from different from those of Central Statistics Office (CSO).
Please this SATA and that CHILUBA are very useless – empty tins make a lot of noise. I love Zambia but I hate imposters. Trust us we shall deliver for Zambia and zambians will once gain be proud of their leaders. Chiluba is nothing anyone can talk about as a leader. Sata is the same. They are both empty headed, illiterarte, with huge inferiority complex and unwilling to learn but want to show they know it all. Unlike Obama, he is modest, enlightened and not afraid to say other people know better than me. The word is together we CAN an not me me me like these two old egocentric batubulus>>