FORMER Finance and National Planning minister, Ng’andu Magande has said that he was not involved in any clandestine activities involving the issue of Zambian Airways while he was minister.
Mr Magande said in an interview in Lusaka yesterday that he was ready to answer queries from the police and other relevant agencies on the matter.
He said he would cooperate with the security agencies that had instituted investigations on the matter as he had nothing to hide. He said he was ready to do so even by yesterday.
“I am ready to give information on the matter at any time, even today,” he said.
Mr Magande said that he did not have any personal interest in Zambian Airways apart from the fact that he was a minister in a Government which was encouraging investments, especially by indigenous people.
He was reacting to President Rupiah Banda who said on Thursday that he had information that the Post Newspapers had wanted Mr Magande to stand as presidential candidate last year because he had promised to write off Zambian Airways debts.
Mr Banda had said: “I have a document to prove that Magande was going to allow them to get away with this money. The Post has attacked me from the time that you chose me as presidential candidate up to the time I became the president.”
But Mr Magande said that was not true and volunteered to give information on the matter, adding that if he was involved in any underhand activities he could not have been kept by late president Levy Mwanawasa.
Mr Magande hoped that even President Banda should be given a chance to be cross-examined on the matter.
[Times of Zambia]
The guilty are always afraid.
Just keep quiet and the truth will prevail.
This is a circus right?
The truth will come out but the president should not make himself a front in leading this matter… the only explanation he (the president) is doing this is to try to appear he is working. There are more important things he should be looking at like how he will devise the policy of inreasing and maintaining high employment and controlling inflation. We have institutions that can sorth that out… Ba RBB I have nothing against you but Sir you appear not to have a vision nor a plan.
thats true nyangu i agree with you coz it’s like our president has no vision.
And how do you want him to give you his vision, perhaps on a plate?
As far as I know Zambia is the only country projected to post a good GDP growth rate in the region this inspite of a global economic melt down. By the way who has vision?
Ba Kamutanda, the economy is on auto pilot and nothing to do with the vision of the luckluster Nyama Choma. In fact, those estimates were made before the closures of the Luanshya Mines and the general contraction of mining activities including the closure of the smelters in Kitwe and Chingola. My estimate is that with Banda’s leadership or the lack of it, the economy will contract by 4%.
BAYA…. as I explained earlier and am sure is clear “There are more important things he should be looking at like how he will devise the policy of inreasing and maintaining high employment and controlling inflation”. I thought that could be a vision, just in case a vision is the ability to anticipate possible future events and developments. It is not an insult to the presidentnor to the readers. At least he should tell the Zambian people where we are being directed now that is a vision BAYA, does’nt come on a plate it is a rhetorical speech to a nation about what to expect from him. I believe that is what presidents do BAYA.
Execellent BaWishi,I can’t find better terms of expression than yours.
Magandande looks nervous. Thats not a man, who ha much credibility, if you ask me
also have you people realised how humble and rather apologetically, SHAKA is rather apologising as though he has realised that , perharps this is him gone in the limelight. As much as he was growing irritating, i have the feeling he is all but wanting to get in the ministerial peipeline quickly. Commnets such as ‘zambians pray for the president’ and also thanking him for according him to be a deputy minister, leaves a lot to be desired if you ask me.
I totally disagree with you firstly, are you a photographic analyst? secondly get the context of shakas statement,if you are a believer you pray for some one :1. to salvage them 2.to strengthen them
3. to give them wisdom etc
what this translates to is , yes RB is the president until 2011 til we change he needs prayers to have wisdom which he is lacking , needs prayers to have a vision for the nation which he is lacking
are you serious with wat you have posted?
Magande has the right to answer and defend himself in public just like RB openned his loud mouth in public, so you have no right to tell to keep quiet.
Challenging the President on his claims that he, President RB Banda, has a document proving that Mr magande was going to let the POST get away with the debt ZA has is the best option. There is no need to dohide and seek activities here. Let President RB Banda release that PROOF document to the public so that I can read it for myself and believe him on his claims instead of saying things he can NEVER or is not ready to give proof on.
This is not time to cheat people for we are now aware of what is really NEEDED to know the truth instead of mere allegations to win political mirage over ill-informed people who rely on propaganda. Thus Mr N. Magande is right here 100% for such is what is needed
Yeeeaaaaaahhh Right……if Magande is “clean”, then am Obama’s long lost brother…..LoL!!!!
He has the right to answer afterall someone followed him for an interview,i hope the he’s found innocent by relevant authorities so that the loud mouthed,untidy man called the Zambian President is shamed for acting so immature in public,no wonder he even sobbed when our beloved late President just fell into a coma,he’s not fit to be President.
RB simwamuna, boys dont cry
How many votes do the Post cast?
Lt him tell us how “clean” he is…
lets wait and see who is lying!
I can bet my last pound (which is not far in these days of the Credit Crunch), that the President is lying. Have you noticed how quiet the Government Spokesperson has suddenly become – I guess he realises that his boss has done severe damages tantamount to write off rather than salvage of the loose MMD government. Things are not goodooo!
I agree with Kangalaitoito. RB is just lying. One thing I have learnt is that lying and cheating comes easily to our leader. So far RB has told so many lies that he has forgotten what he has said. The entire campaign was a pack of lies. He assured us that no single miner would loose their job. He is a shameless lier.
It seems Magande is still a threat to RB. Why is he still worried. He must be ready to be challenged as a leader. That was a promise mere promise.
manchild threat in what capacity? I get the feeling Magande is scoring an own goal here. If you mean in 2011, i agree with you, but then again People like Chirwa, katele may have something to say about that !.
If RB had wanted to ‘shut up’ Magande he should have sent him abroad in some amabassador role! That way his integrity in all this would not have been questioned.
True. It appears both Mr N. Magande and Mrs M. Mwanawasa are giving President RB Banda sleepless nights on the 2011 MMD presidency and presidential nomination candidacy and so the man is busy trying to consolidate his grip on the Presidence to go all the way to 2016 as Zambian President.
He is panicking not to be the first Zambian President to have only ruled for one term of Presidential office. What is impressive though is that the opposition should form GRZ in 2011 however what tricks ensue in the tripartite election period based on the failures of President RB Banda in this term of office.
RB is just ignorrant, he is just chasing his own shadow
RB ignorant, you must be joking. I get it. You don’t know him do you?
RB is not ignorant as has been portrayed. Just that he is a non performer, the qualities of a leader are not in him. He is using simple psychology to occupy our minds with issues that wont improve our economy. He knows very well that if he does not do that you guys will raise up in numbers and boot him out like the way you did to Chilubas and his third term or KK and his one party participatory democracy. Remember RB is UNIP through and through.
He doesn’t even know how to find his shadow. It’s such a shame.
who has more brains fish or R…fimo fimo. Surely a man can make his own judgement than just diturbing the sleeping dog which -he can’t tame.
Magande is directly involved in the dirty activities of Zambians airways, he was duped by membe that 5thru the post he will be made President of zambia. Magande u r going in.
I don’t think Magande would have sunk so low & think The Post can make someone become President of Zambia,The Post failed to Mazoka into power,The Post failed to put Sata into power twice so who is Magande that The Post can easily put into power,The Post as a tabloid can help change voting patterns in a small way but not everyone will go with a tabloids cheap innuendo against the govt of the day.Quite alright,Magande as Minister could have been convinced by the Directors of Zambian Airways to intervene in forcing the creditors of ZA to relax or if you want pause the debts until ZA was back in profit but Magande couldn’t have forced them to do that some of the creditors are foreign based.
Bwana, dont be childish please. Is it The Post that puts people in power, it’s the people of Zambia. Even a kindergatten pupil knows that!!
JIGGA its difficult to understand you!. Maybe full stops?
Mushota :Your failure to understand what am saying is not my fault,i don’t know how old you are & your level of education.I have been as plain as i can be,i cannot simplify my English better than i do so if u don’t understand then skip my comments & leave them for those who understand the level of language used,i ain’t no teenager so i use language i see best suits my level,am sorry.
So ninshi Ka Mushota nika teenager…..no wonder to ma childish comments and a ka silly photo
TULA My Man. I think so too. This Magande guy was really duped thinkin the ka tabloid was gonna influence thins but alas to the contrary. Readin it nowadays is nauseatin as one can clearly see that the corner of objectivity in their minds is history. I wish we had more independent newspapers who would give as balanced objective news coverage. Ask Simuntanyi he will tell you…
If RB is saying Magande did something wrong, he also means Levy did something wrong. Assuming that Magande did wrong in his involvement with Zambian Airways as a minister, it’s not possible that he could have made his decisions alone. Ministers dont make their own decisions, they do consult. Does RB mean Levy’s government had something to hide over Zambian Airways? Free Advice: Dont take whatever RB said as gospel truth. He needs to be cross-examined, as Magande says. If I were RB, I would keep quiet, as a show of leadership. That’s what true leaders do: They dont just answer to whatever rubbish they hear. What RB doesnt know is that the statements he is issuing may be used in court.
JUST WATCH THIS SPACE. YOUR QUESTION IS ALSO AN ANSWER. YES LPM KNEW ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE HAD SHARES IN ZA THROUGH NCHITO. WAIT AND SEE WHEN ISSUES START COMING OUT ESPECIALLY MAUREEN. THATS WHY SHE IS QUIET SHE KNOWS MEMBE HAS MESSED IT UP FOR ALL OF THEM BECAUSE OF HIS CHILDISH HATRED FOR RB. THEY WILL ALL GO IN VERY SOON
This is now shooting in the air with allegations that are not substantiated. Let LPM RIP. The fact is RB is shooting himself in the foot. Remember that the whole saga of ZA has happened during his time as Vice President, which for your information is the Leader of Government in Parliament. Whats more, the type of Ministerial decision followed in ZED is a concensus one, meaning Cabinet sits and agree on what policy and decision to follow. Cabinet comprises the President as chair, Vice President and the full Cabinet Ministers including Attorney General. If Magande is guilty then the VicePresident who now is President is guilty. Dora’s case is different as she went against Attorney Generals…
so you think the Post is Gospel truth. Luck you…..Underestimate RB at your own peril….Ask Sata,Sondashi, Magande et al ..thats a sesonaed Zed politician…wait and c.
Boss, you are commenting on things you have very little information on. Ask us the shu shu shu and we will tell you what is going on. Its best for Magande to keep quiet or run the risk of all his underhand dealing coming in the open. These guys what to create the impression that any wrongs on their part would implicate Mwanawasa. Not true, the dirty deals and shenanigans started during the illness of Mwanawasa not before.
they have started again
Mwandi balekubepeshafye abena RB efyobaba twalibeshiba boyi Magande
I believe Magande is innocent and RB really fears Magande.Magande is a clean guy his not worried.
HI guys, Magande cannot fully claim to be clean. How about these letters he used to send to Dora, instructing/requesting her to give Zambian Airways some favours by defering the payments of what was owing, so that Govt could use tax payers money to facilitate the running of NACL, while NACL waits for Zambian Airways to honour its obligations when and if they want to in future?
How does Magande claim to be innocent?
You’ve obviously got the letters. Post them so we can see them.
Don’t look at issues while wearing rose tinted glasses.
What makes you think that when government makes correspondence between ministries they also distribute to citizens? I have no business stoking government correspondence in my drawers, how would you of all places look for govt letters from me?
I know that getting information on matters of national interest is vitall for all of us, but that does not mean that you can just meet anyone in the street and ask them to give you information. It is such kind of thinking that makes discussions even more difficulty. I will not be surprised if tomorrow you will as me to give you the letters of appointment/dismissal for Mr shakafuswa. Let me tell U in advance that I dont have access to such letters.
Fine!
Welcome back. How have you been???
I missed reading your posts greatly. You have some explaining to do.
Thank you,
I am doing fine, I hope you are too.
Not much explanation apart from the fact that I had a busy schedule.
Fine how do you know there were letters sent to silly ya then?
Oh because the president said!
I am now begining to think that you have just arrived in Zambia.
Do you know when the issue of ZA started?
Dora was quoted many times not only by the print media but also television saying that Magande had written to her more than once asking her to defer the payments of what ZA owes NACL, and on all cases she refussed telling him that the matter was purely business and not political. ZA did not provide even the most basic requirement such as audited books of account to deserve any form of bail out or any goverment favours such as defering financial obligations.
THOSE LETTERS WERE PUBLISHED NO.13.1. they were actually published by the Post as well to try to show that Dora was being unfair to them
Time to start believing the Post then.
Read Magande’s statement again and the answer is there. To recap, he says he did things in the interest of the nation to further investments of indigenous Zambians. This by the way was and should still be the same now – Government policy
There was nothing wrong with Magande asking for debt defrement. The mines and shoprite enjoyed the same facility and why should Zambian busniesses be denied
We need God’s powers over Zambia.All are at fault,the accusers and accused.Without peace in the nation there will NEVER be development.The Nation is at the mercy of International
community.Soon Zambia will be waste than Zimbabwe because of in fighting which hunting
YES YOU ARE RIGHT AND THE REASON IS FRED MUMEMBE. mMEMBE WAS ATTACKING RUPIA EVEN ON THE DAY OF MWANAWASA’S BURIAL. HAS THERE EVER BEEN THAT KIND OF HATRED IN ZAMBIA.
Bro/My Sis you are dead right!!! we really need unity in Zambia , we need to be proud of our country Zambia despite the underdevelopment ,we need love for each other. This is not to say wrong doers should go scot- free . I can foresee trouble ahead ,very soon it will be tribal wars without unity
yayayaya politics of theft issues everytime in zambia will never develop our nation.
You have the right to your opinion though.However don`t be such a pessimistic person by saying never .Give hope and rise to the occasion Zambia needs you and me
#9. Mutima Wanga, It is possible for Magande to involve himself in deals with businesses without the knowledge of LPM. This is the same with Gladys Nyirongo, Are you telling me LPM was involved in the land issues just because Nyirong served under his regime? Not at all, that is why she was taken to court after discovering. Magande is an independendent person, making independent decisions just like Nyirongo. They were not using LPM’s brain to think, neither did LPM use their s and therefore didwrong thinks as indeviduals. Mind you evil things are normally done in secrete.
I think the example of Gladys Nyirongo is misplaced. If you have really followed her issue, you may know that it’s completely different from that of Magande. Magande is being accused of writing to Dora, asking her to reschedule ZA’s bills. On the other hand, Nyirongo did not need to consult, or write to another minister for her to allocate land dubiously. There are two ministries involved in the ZA saga while with Nyirongo’s case, she was the sole player.
Therefore, when two ministries are seen to be pulling against each other, the issue becomes too big to go unnoticed by the president. Thats why Im saying LPM knew about this issue. My point: U are all accusing LPM of wrongdoing as…
The then Finance Minister,Magande could rightly have planned to intervene but it doesn’t necessarily mean LPM knew or approved of a survival plan for ZA,however he would have known had the matter reached an advanced stage warranting the President’s or parliament’s authorisation.
The ZA is quite a sensitive matter,others wanted the govt to help the airline survive coz it was ”a flag carrier” but those who thought deeper knew it would have been a waste of time & national resources trying to save a private company in an doomed industry.
Zambia is in going the goodway -these revelations and counter revelations and investigations just show that Zambia is no longer tolerant to crooked activities. In the Old regimes or these where swept under the carpet and I am optimistic that the young generations is learning that underground activities one day will resurface. It was interesting to see Membe also wants Banda to be investigated over African National Bank Collapse -they say the best defence is attack. But this is only a transition -once this generation of leaders is gone, my hope is that the new crop would have learnt lessons out of this and give us better leadership . But lets not learn their insults in the papers;
Bloggers don’t be irritatingly shallow. The Post has challenged RB to reveal the correspondence he claims he has….if RB had those letters do you think he would have kept them close to his chest all this while? Its also not wrong for Magande to say he is ready to be interrogated. Its foolish for someone to be scandalizing and criminalizing others and you expect Magande and The Post to be silent about the accusations? Be real! In any case, Can RB explain what happened to ACB bank under his directorship and ownership? The bank collapsed coz of internal borrowing and depositor’s money went with it…including The POST, it lost its money in that bank.
Yaba! Nyama soya is now attacking magande over Zambian Airways. These people must grow up and act mature for once. How can the president surely accuse someone in public in that manner. This issue is quite delicate and has to be handled well other throwing accusations in public. Nyama soya is hiding something and does not like anyone who opposes him. The issue here is Zamtel and the president is trying fight the Post newspaper and Magande to divert the attention from the Zamtel saga in which the president is involved and trying protect the guilty counterpart. Nyama soya has no credibility at all and soon he will find himself with many cases to answer like FTJ. Takwata amano mudala zoona.
EVERYTHING YOU HAVE SAID ARE BASELESS ACCUSATIONS. HOW IS RB INVOLVED IN ZAMTEL? THE COMPANY HAS NOT BEEN SOLD AND DORA WILL BE APPEARING BEFORE A TRIBUNAL. DON’T YOU THINK YOU SHOULD WAIT. IF YOU HATE RB THAT IS YOUR BUSINESS BUT DON’T TELL LIES
What are you saying? Waiting for what? if RB himself did not wait for the tribunal investigating ZA to conclude before making those baseless comments about Magande’s involvement in ZA,
I suspect you think like RB. What kind of a president is he who is threatened by pipo like Magande? This character will not bring an good but destroy our country. #17 Maybe you cannot notice the difference of leadership of RB to that of LPM because you are viewing our country from within(one of the players leading us to distruction?). We don’t hate RB but the man is even worse than a chief. Am afriad 3 years is long enough to destroy our nation.
Iwe you should be reading news after you are home and you sound like you do not know whats happening on the ground, I do hate him and have no reason to do that. YOu must realise that when someone opposes something, its not out of hate. I did not say Zamtel has been sold already. So whats your problem? Get real with your arguments.
Ba Kamutanda, it is a pity that the position of RB’s personal spokesperson is filled otherwise you would have been offered the position. Now if you look at any job anywhere in the world, if one is accused of any misconduct while carrying out their duties and an investigation is instituted, the accused is always suspended from work either on full or half pay. Once the investigation is completed the accused is either fired or reinstated. The Civil Service is conducted in the the same way as above, however, Nyama Soya has failed to do the right thing and thus fingers are being pointed at him as being involved. I’m sure you have heard of deductive conclusion?
Its shameful for someone called the republican president to behave the way RB did .The probe in Zambian Airways has already been constituted. Why not wait for the finding s of the investigations than making full of yourself in public? Magande have the right to defend himself to clear his name. The truth shall definitely come out and we will see who the liar is.
THAT IS RIGHT , MAGANDE HAS A RIGHT TO DEFEND HIMSELF AND HAS DONE SO. DON’T YOU THINK RUPIA ALSO HAS A RIGHT TO DEFEND HIMSELF/ HAVE YOU LOST HALF YOUR BRAIN?
Rupiah is(was) not defending himself but attacking his mates. What has RB’s defence got to do with Magande. If it is the Post, Shakas or Cbibomba, he should have spoke obout those only and not accuse in Magande in public in such a manner. Like that I have come to think Rupiah’s 72yrs is nuthing but a wasted number.
kamutanda…i have a hard time digesting your posts. its either you dont understand these issue or there is just something wrong with the way you are puting your points across. If people point out Rb´s weakness doesnt mean they hate him.he should prove his claims just like magande has to prove his innocence.
Mr Magande used UPND manifesto to run his former ministry ,but now the public be prepared encounter the actually MMD manifetsro which only MMD squadrons or cadets or young pioneers can open the lid and see inside the pot. However, if the RB about Magande’s activities at Finance Ministry let other people say it as well.
Bro short comment for you , you are certainly right UPND manifesto. What is next for RB UNIP-MMD manifesto.
Impressive comments from the both of you. The UPND manifesto move Zambia to some nice hieghts during the late former President LP Mwanawasa regime, but now we are in for it – MMD/UNIP manifesto to bweza the national development in retrogressive mode.
Ili ko tricky manje
Those who live in glass houses should not walk naked……RB is looking like one.
SOUR GRAPES MR MAGANDE. MMD DID NOT CHOOSE YOU TO LEAD ZAMBIA BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO LEADERSHIP QUALITIES. VINABWELA MOCHEDWA. YOU HAD NO COURAGE TO GO INTO POLITICS ON YOUR OWN AND EACH TIME YOU FIND YOURSELF IB THE CORNER YOU REFER TO MWANAWASA. ZAMBIA KNOWS A WISE MAN WHEN THEY SEE ONE. RIGHT NOW THEY DO NOT SEEM TO SEE ONE IN MAGANDE. VIVA RB! ABASH WITH VINABWELA MOCHEDWA AND SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS.
This is why RB has failed to run our country because he is a CADRE like you #24. You can’t compare Magande with RB. We all saw Magande’s capability to perform when he was finance minister. Lets wait and see what RB will achieve after these 3 years if still a president. You should learn to appreciate pipo like Magande & LPM who did what they promised the zambians on the economy. Look at how he answered the question on reducing fuel prices to half that RB used during elections. If he was a boot liker like others he could have just accepted to RB’S NONSENSE. Magande is not a job seeker. He has already worked. Lets wait and see.
Magande is a job seeker. He abandoned the late mazoka to become minister under levy. magande was an advisor to mazoka and he also used corruption to win chilanga. he was only saved by levy as president. people have short memories. magande has also a lot of scandals with mahtani and maureen. so his response is measured because RB is setting him up. magande knows that RB has more info than he disclosed. its just to let them know that he knows what they have been doing with membe.
Interesting comments. I understanding is that Mr Magande works for the interest of the Nation. His spirit of work follows what late Mr Mazoka wanted to do for Zambia when late former president LP Mwanawasa was Zambian President in his first term of office – though many people do not have this data.
Anything wrong with your mind/ head today. Magande was an admirer of Levy and he misses levy ,I doubt if RB misses Levy . Levy despite his mistakes meant well for zambia not dementing RB
Jigga your English is not written properly.You should learn to accept free advice and not behave like RB. Where is this country heading?
WHERE IS THIS COUNTRY HEADING? HOPEFULLY NOT WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE IT TO GO, BECAUSE YOU DON’T SEEM TO KNOW FACTS OR FIGURE OF ECONOMIC GROWTH. JAPAN’S INDUSTRIAL OUTPUT IS PROJECTED TO DROP BY 10% THIS YEAR THE BIGGEST DECLINE SINCE RECORDS BEGAN. ZAMBIA’S GDP IS EXPECTED TO GROW BY 4.5% THIS YEAR DESPITE THE GLOBAL ECONOMIC CRISIS.
Zimbabwe’s economy is “expected” to grow by 8.5%. lol!
# 25, Please don’t talk about Japan or you will just expose your ignorance to all the bloggers,you don’t know who you are disscussing with. If you have no idea about what you are,how can you read other pipo’s minds? Japan comparing it to zambia? Are you okey?
advisers to the president were are you??????????????
pliz help the president to talking responsibly…..you are paid by tax payers money…
Mr RB some are better left to the court….rather than politics of popularity.
RUPIA HAS NOT REPLIED TO MMEMBE FOR SEVEN MONTHS. WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?
You know what? the same mmembe that you condemn today is the same Newspaper that RB will use to cry that he is unfairy treated when his corruption charges start after ceasing to be president. We have no other reliable Newspaper in zambia.
testing 0ne two,testing one two ,hello
#2 jigga! i agree wit u! let the man have a say en let us not be judge en juror en at the same time! Like Magande said….let the RB tell us wat he found out about him instead going out to his MMD supporters….he should lay down the evidence in parliament like Mwanawasa did…legitimately!
RB is scared of Magande,he’s trying to finish him as a rival,but that aint cool,thats some masterdofology,fit for people who suck sap from trees.They ate from the same corrupted pot now they wanna smash their faces with political left overs,Personally I dont dig both of them.
Banda is a Kaponya. The guy failed ACB and will definately fail the nation. We need RB to expalin to the nation what happened to ACB.
I just want to greet you my friend how are you?If this is your pic then I will suggest that you go to your na wabwino.You look nice like Matworld.
Have a great day!
shame on me,thanks alot Maltworld though I didnt check my ID, kawalala is dead,The LT has just allowed me this once to add comments,its like am parole,and they are closely monitoring every single word I say,so am trying to be extra careful,no reactions.I need to learn more from you Maltworld,how to be Nice as nice as you are.You are such a unconditional friend,homie for real,much love bro,I think I will give you one of Ma nieces for marriage,so that we can have more NIce people in the family..lol
It is good that our country is ready to take on corrupt people. I think we are setting an example to the rest of the continent that we will not let anyone get away with corruption.
I wonder why people want to think there is nothing wrong in a private firm using Tax Payers’ money. Everyone is expected by now to know that in principle Magande wanted ZA to continue using Tax Payers’ money to run their private company, and that is wrong. When a private firm like ZA gets money belonging to NACL and forces/causes govt to use taxpayers’ money to run operations of NACL, it simply means that indirectly ZA is using taxpayers money for their private business. And nay leader wanting to perpertuate such conduct is simply wanting to abuse public funds. So, however smart Magande appears to some of you he has issues to answer. His decision to defer payments for ZA to NACL was…
you seem not to understand economics. today Citi bank and other US bank has just reached an agreement with the Us government for the to be kept afoat. South African airways recieved money from the SA govt just over a month ago to continue it operations, otherwise it would have already sunk. AIG also was saved by the US govt cause it is the insurance pride of that country though it is private. it is not corruption to help a company survive the hard times. magande didn’t want to write off ZA’s debt but to defer it until its operations were back on track. He wrote to your DS about this and everybody knows that. Is that what you call corruption?
You seem to claim to understand economics when you are far from hearing about economics. Tell me a country that gives money to a private company that isabused company funds and have no audited books. Every company that has to be bailed out aught to have clean audited books with clean business and sane management track. You will never go to any country that will close their eyes and start looking for who to bail out without demanding baiscs such as audit record and management practice. Anyway, freedom gives anybody liberty to call anything they think ‘economics’.
#31 You are right, using tax payers’ money but not abusing it. How can you make a budget out of the money you see in another person’s pocket? RB is useless, are you telling me that the $30m that ZA owes other institutions is the only money that RB can use to improve Education and Health services? Whenever something like this comes up this RB starts issuing statements about how that money could have been used, are you truelly saying this is the only money that the government has? Where are these fellos taking the money they Recover from FTJ’S Corrupt charges(recovered cash)+ the Bail monies that these chaps pay all times?
This is intersting my dear friend. I am wondering whether you are introducing a policy here that if a person has 3 houses and people want to vandalise one of them he should not bother, after all that is not the only house he has, there are two remaining.
It will be very wrong so say that government can stop bothering about abused money as long as that is not the only money they have.
Your thinking is rather strange to the universe of accountability.
#31 The government jst needed to support the continued operations of ZA somehow. We understand its a private company but a country without an AIRLINE SURE? RB was not supposed to bring personal hatred and cheap politics to those guys. They tried what they could and could not compete on the continental market. Banda is fighting a lost battle,don’t think pipo like the Nchitos have anything to lose. They are giving this RB a rope to hang himself. He is almost nothing to provoke all these men at the same time.RB doesn’t even know the difference between ZA & the post. This man will be in trouble with his girl.
Gentlemen ZA does not meet even the least of the basic requirements for any bailout or any form of government support. The most basic requirement for any government support for any private or public limited firm is ‘having audited financial records’.
How can you thing a company deserves any support when not even the slightest of basic requirements are met?
Zambians you like joking!
I tell you that Zambia would set the first record in economics if it started closing its eyes and just started bailing out any company it finds regardless of whether or not such companies have any financial record, descipline, or not. I am wondering to myself; what would happen if some of you were in govt?
i might be far from the economics in zambia but sure i can share with you what other countries are doing in helping out local companies. if you are tellingmme that this company has no audited books then, it is sad that the Zambian govt does not follow even the basic rules. i say so, cause this company borrowed from banks. and just a question, how does the govt know how much this company owes in taxes without looking at it books? that shoul be interesting accounting from the govt, don’t you think so? Just to say, there is nothing wrong to save a private company with public fund if govt see the benefits of doing so. Why should RB go and negotiate with ethopian airline and leting ZA go under?
If ZA is a mere cost to the nation what would be your point of keeping it using TaxPayers money, when the owners are busy abusing funds and cant account for it?
And by the way I told you that Audited books are a basic requirement for any form of BAILOUT. I did not say that audited books are the only way of knowing how much tax aught to be paid. I am shoked that you do not know that there are many other ways of gathering info about any organisation.
I must tell you that right now a tribunal has been set up for Siriya and also investigations have been set up for ZA.
In both cases information will be gathered, and i hope you know that they will not be reading audited books.
He is negotiating with them cause they need tax breaks, don’t you think these tax break might even be more than what ZA owes our govt? ZA had brought the cost of flying within and out of Zambia considerably low, they needed a push during this hard times. and i think that is what the EX minister was trying to help with. to call that corruption i think is wrong cause he wrote to another minister who had powers to help. he didn’t bulldose his ideas through.
Look here dear;
The issue is not about how much was being lost at ZA compared to investors. It is about business malpractice causing the govt to lose.
And your example of tax break is innapropriate because the tax break meant to attract investors so that where there was no investment it can come. Consider this:
1) Give tax break and atract 10 investors, and in the process lose K10bn in tax breaks but gain K50bn through PAYE – net gain K40bn.
2) Give no tax breaks and attract 1 investor, and gain K1bn in company tax, gain K5bn in PAYE – net gain K6bn.
In which scenario will you be happy, (1) or (2)?
Gentlemen, It is very helpful to think broader than just.
i understand you concept too. but zambia has experience of such investments.RB didn’t invite investors in this sector but just went straight to EA. he might have his judgements but i think that is not the best. we gave tax breaks before to SA investor, what did they do after the tax breaks elapsed? they left without saying bye and no infrustrature did they develop. we gave the same to the new mine owners and some have just run away. we never gave a tax break to ZA, if i am wrong please correct me.why then do we always give the TB to foreigners and not to our own? my man, EA will not develop our airports, even after we exempt them from tax.
I agree with you that SA firms left after tax breaks. Now that question can only be answered by Chiluba and Sata who made the agreements and policies at the time. They seem to have left a lot of loopholes which may not be corrected overnight by others who come after them.
Now, i know that Chiluba and Sata made mistakes in their policies but that does not make us stop pointing out wrongs that are being commited in the now, just because we have issues we did wrong in the past.
This brings me to the fact the we need to isolate issues such as the Magande and ZA issue and address them as independent issues, unless where indeed there is a link or something we can apply from the past.
it has been great debating with and we shall wait for the tribunal to bring to us what their finding will be.also wait for the time when RB’s legas will be written. enjoy your evening
i get you posting on audited books. my point though is, our banking system should be rotten to let such a firm borrow form them and even to some international lenders as i have read in one posting. how did the directors of such a comapny manage to to that? on that score alone i take you comment witha pitch of salt. as you said i just asked a question on how govt got the tax infor and make the numbers known, cause from investigation this might be proved to be wrong if the figures are not audited, it is not that i don’t know any other sources.
FINE please tell these dunder heads. Some of these chaps just yap yap without using their free God given ‘big’heads ‘
I believe you my dear you are clean.I really miss you my dear I must admit that you where my favourite minister in Mwanawasa’s administration.
God bless you.
Gentlemen is there a day when Zambians will say guys LETS SIT DOWN AND SEE HOW WE ARE CAN DEVELOP OUR NATION? ITS LIKE PART OF OUR CULTURE ALWAYS ATTACK EACH OTHER PERSONALLY INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT THE ISSUE AT STAKE. BE IT LEADERS , WHO ARE LEADING THE COUNTRY TO A SIMPLE MAN IN THE DARK OF THE COUNTRY WE ARE ALL THE SAME.
WE BETTER BE CAREFUL COZ WHILE WE ARE BUSY ATTACKING EACH OTHER THE SO CALLED INVESTERS ARE ALSO BUSY MAKING MONEY AND BECOMING MORE RICH. I HAVE BEEN IN SOUTH EAST ASIA FOR SOMETIME AND I HAVE SEEN HOW THESE PEOPLE SUPPORTS EACH OTHER AND RAPIDLY ARE GROWING. WE MUST THINK AS ONE AND MAKE USE OF EACH OTHER RESOUCEFULLY
Ba Chibwe, that is very right. However, it is important to recognise the fundamentals underlying the success stories of East Asia, as an example. That is having clear set of policies and selflessness of the leaders to think on the long term development of their countries. In the case of RB he should have continued on LPM’s policies rather than trying to create new ones – after all that is what he kept on telling the people during his campaigns. However, I do not see this happening with all LPMs key members of staff removed or fired. Unfortunately, RBs government will contiue to be characterised by personal attacks as he has no meaningful agenda. Put simply, he kills off any meanful agenda
Magande had a deep hand in the formation,loans and survival plan of ZA.Our late President had big interest in ZA through Mutembo.This nonsense of posturing Levy as the holy one is hogwash.The late had a lot of interest in ZNOC and ZA like he did in Galledou whom he engineered his deportation and took over the businesses.Follow the ZA loan under writtings DBZ, you will see some role of strong hands in irregular loan process.
amen thank you senior citizen. I have been trying to tell bloggers here the same issues. lets leave it to tribunal. many people blogging here will be ashamed when evidence is produced during the tribunal
Give us the facts rather than speculation.
Senior Citizen
You are thinking backwardly. Stay focussed. You are the only one who thinks LPM did not leave a legacy for this country. Perhaps you and RB. Learn to respect the righteous dead. If the despotic KK can be accorded honour depsite all his ill doings, who are you to smear campaign a dead man’s clean record. You are disgusting.
BA FINE:If RB had an explicit commitment to democracy ,the “elucidating evidence” will have been presented to parliament so the law of the land prevails by now.And the best Rb has on magande is only soliciting to commit a crime or marely conspiracy to plunder national resources.It seems the man is more ready to co-operate and that leaves another question,where does the truth lie?Tax payers money will be returned at what ever cost but lets not be blinded from the truth.And why is RB first communicating what he considers to be the only step to attaining justice to the wrong minds,his supporters and more over at state house,come on people this is absurd.The LPM legacy is going to clean them…
Parliament is not a court and thats why LPM did it knowing FTJ would have no chance to explain himself. Do not be ignorant. Parliament is for enacting laws. Judiciary for maintaining law and order and the Executive for executing law and policy coming from Parliament. So the tribunal is the best approach under the current law
Thi is really sad. I supported RB’s candidature from the very begining because he was in my opinion the lesser of the three evils. Now I am sad because I see the country going through a terrible economic time and all the politicians including the President are busy self preserving instead of concetrating on the issues at hand. Mr Banda kept saying that we should concetrate on issues not personalities during his campaign but now he too has fallen from that high ground. Bad company (Teta & co.) ruins good morals. Sorry your Excellency, I beg you, get on with leading. PLEASE!!!!!
I am sad, very sad because RB has let me down. It is like your own father misbehaving. This is the end of my contributions here. I will never debate again because I made a serious error of judgment in supporting and defending him all along. On Magande and Nchito, the President has boobed big time! The Post have got him right where they wanted him. He is now a trapped and these vultures are ready for the kill and I pray that he does not do anything s.t.u.p.i.d. like Chiluba used to do: arresting people on trumped up charges.
You don’t have to say that my dear.Iam sure its RB who has let you down so I would suggest that you stop defending and supporting him has you have pointed it out in you last comment,but if you stop contributing here then you are not punishing RB but pipo like Matworld who benefits from your contributions while RB will continue enjoying life to the fullest.My dear friend Iam begging you in Christ name to reverse your statement and continue posting your comments for I am In love of all the comments here on LT and Iam not ready to lose anyone of the bloggers on LT that includes you Dear.
Have a blessed day.
Matworld.
Vote Rigger
The realisation of a mistake should not make you despair. The same vigour with which you supported RBs candidature should now be used to support right causes. It is people like you who are instrumental in saying the opinions for 2011 so that the country does not experience a reeat of this. My advice to you is learn from your mistake, and soldier on. If a father misbehaves, depending on the type of father approach the father and tell him. Perhaps that’s why Shakas has been despatched – for tyring to advise wayward father.
So after closing ZA what next? Start making up names of companies like RP in the name of foreign investers and steal all that you call tax money? You know what, jelous is really bad. Even locals can run our companies. The only problem is that these chaps in government fear whites so much. They think whatever comes from a white person’s mouth is right,even these presidents themselves,i wonder what happens inside their jackets when talking to whites. As if they are not educated pipo. This RB was not elected to talk about post. What made the banks lend the money to post if it had no capacity to repay?they know how they do business leave them alone.These companies did not open today. do yo wok
If Zambian Airways was run by competent people, it would not have gone under.
We are in a society that is slowly but surely embracing capitalism and one of the rules of Capitalism is good business ethics lead to success whereas fraudulent business activities lead to short term goals and this financial crisis has surely weeded out the dubious businessmen.
Zambezi Airlines was advertising for jobs, has leased new boeing planes and will soon be servicing the Joburg-LSK and Dar es salaam – LSK routes soon. No need to bail out Zambian Airways, we can fly Zambezi and hopefully Zambezi is run by professionals. Journalists have got no business running a business as complicated as an airline.
i find this interesting. when did Zembezi airway incoperate. i was in zambi the other week and they had just three routes in zambia. why didn’t they come when the economy was good? it seems to me, there is an invisible hand. i am just speculating but i guess i should. cause right now very little money is coming out of the bank for such investments. especially after they burnt their ahnds with ZA, even proflight which has been there for some time has not ventured in such water yet whenthyen have the experience
I AM THE CHIEF
I do not know when Zambezi Airlines incorporated but I do think they have come at the right time. You see, when you start a business, one of the most crucial things that will arise is allocation of Capital. You can have 5 warehouses but if only 3 warehouses are in demand, you will be incurring losses because those other two warehouses are draining your profits. However for a new player, he/she will build enough warehouses to meet the demand.
Zambezi is servicing three routes for a reason. Those three routes is probably what brings it the most revenue. There is no point in servicing routes that bare no benefit to the company…
cont…
Profight’s business plans are different. If Proflight wants to remain in the business of offering Charter flights, let them do so. Proflight is a private business and Private businesses must be allowed to make private and independent decisions.
I would like some proof on your statement that Banks are not lending to companies willing to venture in the aviation industry.
My foot. Be real. You are lucky even to have had Zambian Airways in the first place.
Ask Mmembe and his friends “What next after closing ZA?”.
No one else closed or suspended ZA operations apart from Mmembe and his coleagues.
They know best what next.
They even refused to refund the travelling public and refused even to be asked about it and you think they know how to do business?
You guys you make me wonder.
Do you think running bussiness is the government’s job, including private business?
We are very far, i hope we are growing to avoid remaining there.
I assure you that even your own business you needs to measure your activities and perfomance. For a private firm this is done by way of provision of audit information. If you can provide this yet u are going…
#31 You are right, i need to take care of all the 3 bedrooms,there is no new policy here. However You can’t say you want to use the 3rd bedroom now when bedroom 2 of the same nature is vacant? It doesen’t make sense to me. Why not use 2 when still sorting out issues on the 3rd one?
You did not get the point. The issue is you aught to protect all of them and anyone trying to vandalise the the third house must be stopped so that you dont lose it out and remain with 2 instead of 3. this is the same with the gvt; they may have other moneys and sources of money but that cannot be a reason to leave forego monies owed to the govt just because they have other sources. whatever is owed to the govt must be recovered and protected.
the moneys ZA owes the Govt institutions does not belong to ZA, it belongs to the people of zambia and the government is empowered by the people to recover their money wherever it is stack.
Therefore ZA must pay back to the Zambians what is owed them
Sorry friends,some of you sound as if you really dont know RBB.You can not compare RBB to Chiluba.RBB is a very experienced politician and some of us who have worked very closely with him no that he is can not be compared to Chiluba.The RBB I know will not just lock people up because they have different opinions and ideas.He will not do that and will never sick that low.Please give this man chance to run the country which is currently facing serious challenges-world recession,low copper prices,unemployment and many more serious challenges.The Post Newspapers have always attacked individuals and support individuals,but the paper does own Zambia.Neither do they have monopoly of patrotism
OK Patriot, We understand what you are saying, but can the president give us some sort of a direction. It is like a bus driver just comes from nowhere jumps in the driver’s seat and starts driving without telling the 85 passengers on boad where he is going. Obviously there will be noise in the bus man!!!!!!!!!!!!!! whether you have driven with him before or not!!!!! so please can he tell us where we are going!!!!!!!
This is were the problem is. Ba president bamu Zambia don’t know were to begin and end with their powers. First was levy, he championed allegations that we are still trying to verify about chiluba’s thefts-Long after his death the country is still losing money trying to prosecute cases.I though he needed to leave it to the law enforcement agencies to do their work.Now Nyama Soya is also at it.If he has those documents why hasn’t he given them to the police or ACC? Alefwaya blackmailing? And how does he make pronouncements at a cadres’ meeting.Finshi ifilecitika muno mu calo kanshi?
Lies, lies, lies
In a country where we don’t fight fair the Zambian Dream becomes a nightmare,
It’s all hype here.Its more of poloticians and less politicians.From KK to Fred,Levy to RB, we have been condemning them and only want to acknowledge there contributions when they disappear from earth,is that fair really?We will never have a Moses until we learn to value the little we have, We need a miracle , a miracle revival to help us recollect our thoughts from this hocus pocus thinking of condemning our leaders,.Let us support them so as to bring zambia to an economical balance,otherwise will forever wallow in poverty.
I stand to be corrected, is RB a real Zambian President? OR Shadow of a President? How many provinces has he visited since he ascended to power? Mostly Eastern Province .How is ?this is not a leader who is a unifier . God save least we perish.
guys dont sprad misinformation here. RB has been to Northern, Luapula, Copperbelt and Central provinces. He has gone to eastern for the Ncwala ceremony which every Zambian President attends whether KK, Chiluba or LPM. Please lets be fair in our criticism and not become like membe the sell out
We can’t afford to support leaders who are leading us astray. We made this blunder of allowing KK to stay in power more necessary. Now see where he led us.
Lies, Lies, Lies……… You are supposed to support leadership. If you are a Christian, Pray for them.
The reason people find it so hard to be happy is that they always see the past better than it was, the present worse than it is, and the future less resolved than it will be.
Zambians are very good at criticism without given any suggestions.In 1991 we got fedup with KK but forgot what the man had achieved in Zambia and Africa.You listened to you emotions and voted for Chiluba-what did he do ? Focused on himself and his friends.Mwanawasa comes in and within weeks you were going him cabbage.He dies,you start calling him a hero.RB is in power within months and you have started calling him names.Please can you made suggestions of how best we can all develop our country instead of being critical with coming up with suggesions.Can a President develop a country by just visiting Provinces ? Come on-lets be serious.Can Zambians learn to serious and stop being petty ?
Very true my brother. why cant people wait to get facts from the investigations and the tribunal. there will be fireworks, wait and see
The only thing i can say about this topic as my first comment in Zed is that “Justice will prevail no matter what they hide…”
This politicians don’t vease to amaze me. What are the law enforcing agencies doing now. how does banda plan to close the post? did the post owe Banda the monies or the govt? i;m having trouble understanding this. beside why the ruch to fire critical opponents. i wouldn’t be suprised that Sata or hachi are arrested. Banda needs prayers for real, h e lacks the sense of wisdom. he has grown wings all of e’ sadden.
#42 I agree with you. but we should have some indicatios that should inspire the general public. Yes condemning has been the general peception in our Zambian society. also our leaders too ought to acknowledge public concerns and be more willing to make amends. Our current economic, political situation leaves alot of frustration and disillusion. Look at Obama, it hard and difficult for the country but priorities needs to be set if the general public is to rally behind the leadership.
well said ma man
It seems many people dont understand politics and the way things are done by these politicians.its all just nosense
If the RB had information implicating Magande in wrongdoing a rabble of MMD cadres is hardly the correct audience .What are courts of law for ? Magande should sue him for slander.
RB shud behave otherwise twalamupafulan aba chi step.
I hope RB has read all the comments on this blog. Probably he’s going to improve his leadership style, only if he can learn from his mistakes. Ba RB, shake off the pride, and learn leadership manners. Otherwise mwalasebana.
I am sorry it is your own failure to accept RB which is annoying you. Sorry Satanic Sata is not the president and may NEVER be…..
two wrong dont make a right,and two right dont make a wrong,so who is right and who is wrong?????but the fact is the trueth shall come out,just like 1 man said bola ni 90mits
watch and seeeeeee,
iwe Bwezani 1. you voted for yourself,you cheated the electorate na ba VJ bobe but manje you guys are behaving like ma angels,we know whats going on come 2011 no mo sangwapo pa zed,shake off your pride and really learn leardership manners olo munangena yachibaaka pa state house, emulate ba LPM he tried to sow rightousness though he was a root of corruption and the almighty God will reward him for that, magande shut your mouth you were part of these investments nanga ni chani mwayamba nje nje nje.
This is unbelievable!!! Why all this lies and disrepect for leadership. How did RB vote for himself??
#56 I suppose you are a close relative of RB or some what a cadre of MMD because you seem to be bitter when ever RB is constructively criticized , by way we criticize him because he is a public figure if he were still in some village in chipata he would not have been an issue .
Ma hestero…..that name is quiet on this one. I wonder what he would be saying if magande was a bemba. Shame on you.
Please let the sleeping dogs lie.
Tetamashimba usually opens his mouth on controversial issues like what is happening in the MMD – the Zambian Airways saga and the Jeff Kaande scandal. But, he is uncharacteristically quiet, why?
He knows that these are legal issues,and he cant be backing people with a blarred vision,
what would you do if i told you i caught a fish with no spine and is got eyes on the tail,thats when you begin to suspect that am going “nuts/bananus”. the best is to keep quite and take an underground investigation on me,at least to be sure
The whole mess is comin from the rot in shushushus. FTJ made sure the OP (red brick) was rotten and weakened. The end result is shaky structures. The final straw came with the hand picking of RB by Levy. This culminates into in-fighting even in the OP. Little wonder The Post has access to any doc, be it State House or Ministry of Defence. RB can’t see this. It’s very difficult to build an intel network that has crumbled……
true. the current DG is also weak
If our nation is to develop let’s learn to work with leaders of the day.some comments i’ve been reading can nt be said to be constructive critism but are jst aimed at pouring redicule on the president.
Its sad that RB was called a failure before he even started working.why nt give him a chance to prove himself.he has been attacked in numerous editorials in the post but has only responded once.
Let’s provide critism which will develop our nation.
I applaud you sir for your sensible contribution. We need ‘constructive criticism’ NOT these insults we are hailling at RB. Thank you!
hey pipo of zambia,what do you expect from a person who was just picked from the farm and was not even dreaming to be a d.c,all what you expect is destruction and corruption.the man doesnt have a dream for this country.he speaks without thinking.he thinks he can destroy membe and magande.banda please think again.chiluba failed and is in court because of membe
If indeed Banda has evidence that is wholly admissible in a court of law, why did he not insttitute legal action against Maganda as soon as he came accross this incriminating evidence? I smell a rotten fish here, and I am sure its one with a big nose!
you right let me take a wild guess,aha “AKULU MPUNO”
From the infighting Rupiah has sparked by forcing Mabenga out and starting a war or words with Magande, his quest to cling on to the MMD presidency and try to run come 2011 is doomed to failure. He can enlist fellow Ngonis like Zuma to atttend Ncwala but if this rapist could not protect Ndebeles from Mugabe, how will he save Rupiah from electoral defeat!
Rupiah told a lie in Eastern Province yesterday that the ANC of South Africa is 103 years old, it is 98. I was on 8 January 1912 in Mangaung in Bloemfontein when Lubosi Lewanika and four other Kings of Africa sat and formed the South African Native National Congress. In 1923 the organisation changed its name to the African National Congress (ANC). So by any account, the age of the ANC cannot be 103.
Its bad!
Viva ungoni, the warrior spirit will never die. Zuma is perfectly at home with Ngonis. Whatever others say, Ngonis will ever remain Ngonis.
Ngalama Mwanasilundu says:
Whatever your opinion for bringing in Lewanika in this issue. Read your history, Ngonis will ever be the brave people that they are. Read your history well and you will discover that Ngonis though small in number have helped to shape this country’s history.
Which other people fought and bled for this time as early as the 1800’s? The History of Northeastern Rhodesia will tell how Nsingu with 5000 other Ngonis died fighting the British. Whilst the Bembas were conquered without resistance, Ngonis fought to their death. Dont be mistaken. The Lion skin worn by Khosi Mpezeni has more significance than can be told by a non Ngoni. Respect must be granted were it is due. The fact is that every well groomed Ngoni knows that in him is the great warrior spirit which if provoked will come to the fore.
I abhor with great disdain the cheap and careless attitude exhibited by most bloggers on matters that are of grave importance. Whilst this era embresses unfettered freedom of expression, it is non the less at risk to the consequencies of misinterpreted liberties and rights.
I SEE THAT ALL THIS ISSUE IS FINALLY ABOUT GETTING MAGANDE D..ESTROYED SO THAT HE NEVER CHALLENGES RB AGAIN AND TO CLOSE THE POST SO THAT ALL DIRT IS COVERWED UNDER THE CARPET AND FINALLY TO REMOVE MUTEMBO FROM THE TASK FORCE SO THAT CHILUBA IS FREED AND RB BOUNCES BACK IN 2011. AT LEAST AM NOT A BLIND CITIZEN LIKE OTHERS AND I THANK GOD FOR GIVING ME THIS RARE WISDOM.THIS IS THE GAME PLAN WAKE UP ZAMBIANS.
Anonymous,
Your last two postings do not make sense at all. Calling Ngonis brave is silly because we know they with Buthelezi sold out to the boars, you recall KwaZulu Natal Bantustan? I am of Sotho decent aand need not remind you that in 1858 Moshoeshoe defeated the Boers in the Free State-Basotho War. He also defeated the British force at Konoyana. As for you Ngoni “litotos” with your Zulu masters, he defeated you twice in 1851 and 1852. Talking about bravery, please shut up because Ngonis have none at all.
Hear, Hear.
Anonymous, if you truly think you are Ngoni, go to South Africa and plunge yourself into an impi of xenophobic Zulu warriors and see if there will be a piece of you remaining for your relatives to bring back to Mtenguleni. Besides, you chaps fled from Shaka because you were small tribes he was bent on exterminating. You language now is nothing similar to IsiZulu, all you have in common are names. At least the chaps in Livingstone and Mongu speak SiSotho and can mingle in Joburg, you Ngonis are just stinking makwerekwere to Zulus.
Hear Hear
I have absolutely nothing against RBB but i have everything against the current president of zambia,as far as i can remember,all his done since his inauguration is just sit and cause tension amongst the people in his government and in his thinking he thinks he can run a country by causing tension and confusion,Dont worry yourself magande,the so called President is so out of ideas and to be specific,his got no vision,no plan, his heading for perish,
My fellow Zambian,Citizens pray for at least the least of wisdom,You will be able to see and tell that you have to vote wisely next time, that man in the presidents sit is nothing but a simple example of a huge mistake
Banda ki mwana anja. Waza wake Banda ni cileya…
Please LT, the presentation of the blog is now very difficult to follow. We need to read every comment independent of another. Please consider my plea
I see people are all emotional about ran away from shaka and the rest is history. Every1 in the east is so pround to have Zuma fron SA brace their ceremony. Thats nice, I would have loved King Zwelethini himself there. Zuma in his usual promising heaven and earth to his audience.By the way, forget what he promised you, typical JZ giving you what you want to hear. His aganist SA spending for Africa by the way, his rhetoric here flamed the xenophobic fires here in SA and being a populist in a xenophobic nation will not bother to solve your problems as Thabo Mbeki championed Africa. Before we get carried away, Lets wait for enquiries about ZA to conclude these matters.RB like NM be questioned.
“I have a document to prove that Magande wanted to…” I did not see the TVZ version of Mr Rupiah Banda’s address. But if this is what he said, I feel very insecure to live under a president who will threaten perceived enemies in such a way. If He had such a document why go public and of all to cadres? Why didnt he just hand that doc to the ACC? All does just want to shut up all critics by such threats? To tell the truth Iam very scared
My impression is that President RB BAnda is just trying to position himself to stand for President under MMD in 2011 by crashing any one who is a threat to his intentions. One time on his last year campaign trial, President RB Banda indicated that he will seek a second term of Zambian President office in 2011 – just wait and see.
I apreciate Magande,s hard working for Zambia but in this case i hold no grip to relate him to zambia airways issues.
I was taken back to the UNIP era, when i heard the cadres shouting on thursday at State House, that infact RB inherited Levy’s term. He is just finishing it with the MP’s Levy left. His first term is 2011 whether Zambians like it or Not. Now this is a circus. The biggest of all of them.
What do fellow zambians say, please comment on this if you can.
‘“I am ready to give information on the matter at any time, even today,” he said.
Mr Magande said that he did not have any personal interest in Zambian Airways apart from the fact that he was a minister in a Government which was encouraging investments, especially by indigenous people.’
Great stuff Mr Ng’andu Magande. YOUR APPROACH uis the only way Zambia will ever be developed. We can NEVER hope to see the Chinese and Indians develop Zambia for they have their own interests. To the best of my knowledge all foreigners can only complement our activities as indigenous Zambians in developing our one and only country for ourselves.
Let President RB Banda live up to his claims by…
Africa is going down the drain, look at these men.RB is just taking out his enemies the KK way. RB learnt from the best. The sad part is he might be MMD candidate 2011, but if the poll register is updated, MMD is history. When has getting credit for a comapny that has liquidated became a crime, tell me. ZA is NOT a parastatal, WHAT IS THE FUSS ? Fellow zambians … ZA asked to helped GRZ refused so how are they supposed to survive. RB is really a petty man, making a mountain out of a anti-hill. He should be telling the nation WHAT HES DOING ABOUT THE FIN CRISI? What is the plan? How is plan executed? NOT ZA .. B/Fast, Lunch, Supper, etc
Where in history is it written that the Bembas were conquered withour reisitance? If you have read history (Which I can rightfully conclude you have not) then you should even know why Bembas and easterners call themselves trible cousins. The Bembas defeated the Ngonis and that is how they settled in eastern province and could not proceeed to Tanzania. Get your facts right b4 misimorming pipo.
BORROWING MONEY FOR SINKING COMPANY IS INDEED NO CRIME,BUT IS THIS MONEY USED AS AGREED AND SIGNED WITH THE LENDERS ?OR DOES THE LENDER COMMIT ACRIME OF DIVERTING THIS MONEY TO SOMETHING ELSE e.g HUMMERS AND MAKE THE LENDERS LOOSE THERE MONEY?
Magande, a special free advice to you. RB and friends what u to be answering back. One false move they will have u expelled from MMD. mark my words.
“2011 END OF AN ERROR”
“MAGANDE FOR PRESIDENT”
RB the Coward….cannot rule with fear!!!!
Apparently the rot runs deeper than anyone could have ever imagined!!
Who gave concession to the airline not to pay PAYE, landing and departure tax to NAIC?