The Patriotic Front has threatened to write to the Southern African Developing community SADC, the African Union AU and the United Nation UN on whether the ruling MMD should go ahead and field President Rupiah Banda as its presidential candidate.
PF Secretary General Winter Kabimba has said that the party wrote to the Law Association of Zambia (LAZ) to intervene in the matter of President Rupiah Banda’s parentage and his eligibility as candidate in the 2008 presidential elections as well as the forthcoming general elections but wonders why LAZ has been mute about the matter.
Mr. Kabimba said that in the absence of a response from LAZ, the party will take up the matter and write to SADC, AU, and UN before president Banda satisfies Zambians that he qualifies to stand as a candidate.
Speaking during a media briefing in Lusaka this morning Mr. Kabimba said that it was time the MMD started looking for an alternative Presidential candidate.
He stated that as a constitutional democracy, the eligibility of anyone to contest the presidential elections in Zambia is a fundamental question.
The PF secretary general said that the matter at hand was not political but was a legal issue of fundamental importance adding that no one should be allowed to evade the legal requirement in the constitution.
QFM
Cheap. I see PF is not ready for the polls.
Please, we have heard it all before from PF.
– RB impeachment bid
– Dora Siliya 48 hour ultimatum
– PACT
– Red Card Campaign
– Honking
– Now Parentage issue
It is getting boring now. YAWN.
Can you tell the Nation on what you are going to do that you have not done when you were still in MMD and what you have not done that RB has managed to do Mr. Sata? We are tired of your attacks on opponents and the like!
We have roads that lead no where, we have hospitals without drugs and doctors, we have a president who willfully promotes corruptions by appointing corrupt ministers like dora. We have a president in Rupiah banda Who enjoys media abuse and propaganda. MMD’S TIME IS OVER. They tried to tell lies about Mr. Sata through that disgruntled journalist Chanda Chimba III but the more the tell lies about him the more we believe in him. RB cannot end his speech without Mr sata he is BP to Rupiah. Wapia bakabwala.
#2 Mr capitalist,
You left out Printing ballot papers locally.
It is painful to agree with you but I think our PAWATO is not really ready. When I heard that they were holding a press briefing this morning I though we shall get the surprise list of candidates and alas, to just hear the same 1996 rubbish used against Kaunda in this age sure. A lot of people were really disappointed , I hope PF is reading the signs, they might just alienate people on the fence if they start focusing on non issues. RB is the same candidate they competed against in 2008. he is the same Zambia who has held various port folios and why now claim that he is not Zambia NOW.
This is exactly what SATA orchestrated against KK. I think PF are towing a dangerous line
not a dangerous line but foolish step. its like PF strategy is to eliminate the competition. This is such a poor campaign strategy, why not just tell the people what you will deliver.
Koma nkhani yashupa. Seems they have run out of ideas. #1 It is good you have reminded us of the impeachment process that never was by the ‘man of action’ who could not do the maths!!
They have just realised they cannot and will not beat RB on merit.
Lets be serious! If you are ready to crash him through the polls, it does not matter which side of the border his parents came from. Parentage shouldn’t be an issue here! I thought we are a sovereign state, do we need to involve all these organisations to resolve this simple issue? What about our courts of law, are they inferior? Please continue telling us what you are going to do for the nation if you are voted into office. This is cheap politiking! What are you afraid of?
Therez no smok without fire,may b mr Rubish z nt a zambian.so dot critsyz PF ure jst scared ba MMD.
PF, full of fools.
#6 you are right on the money. Truth be told, in 2008 they thought they could beat our President because he had no record to stand on. Now our president has delivered and the country is on the ascendancy and they clearly know they can’t beat us in the ring and they want to win the fight outside the ring.
The fact is PF leadership know that they are getting buried this year and they cannot win this year’s election and to save face they want to either boycott or cause anarchy by involving the international community on a non issue.
Of course their supporters believe PF will win but the leadership knows the truth and they know they are losing. JUST like the UPND-PF PACT. We told you it can’t work and the rest is history and so shall be this election. PF losing big . even to UPND
When our super KK wanted to bounce back into State house in 1996, the MMD through the Late FTJ ( MHSRIP) used the same clause to bar him from contesting. The beauty with law is that you refer to the history. RB ‘afisa nji’ concerning his parentage? His father comes from Malawi period!!!!
I guess telling people that you’ll perform 90 miracles and that your wife is much more beautiful than Dora Siliya has not yielded any positive results. So try a different strategy right PF?? PLEASE. If you’re not ready, pull out. Simple. Agony is being a PF supporter because no matter how much you campaign for him, PF somehow finds a way of slapping you in the face. PF de-campaigns themselves.
Why waste time on nationality issues this time around, just tell us if you are not yet ready for elections. Meanwhile, Zambians real change is here, let us support real change for a better Zambia. I wish all the 20HH candidates the best. As i encourage the old folks to retire before we retire them. Let the best candidate win this year.
Ba Sata, the Tanzanian.
Yes because our Judiciary is corrupt
Is PF ready for these elections or it already knows the results that is the reason why it is now concentrating on trivial issues! RB had been there since UNIP and I thought you were in the same band-wagon. All of a sudden you want RB to be out of ring so that you take advantage of the polls. Cwe-cwe-cwe-cwe Viva RB Viva MMD. Pa nkolokoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
WE HAVE 5 DAYS TO GO BEFORE NOMINATIONS……..LETS JUST PUT IN AN URGENT APPLICATION TO THE CHIEF JUSTICE WHO IS THE RETURNING OFFICER FOR PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS……..5 DAYS, NOT 5 WEEKS OR MONTHS!!!!……….
Actually PF can save Zambia the noise and just don’t nominate that Tanzanian …. 20HH
@ #14 Chief Assistant Bootlicker
Is going all the way to Eastern Province to tell voters (who lost loved ones at Nyimba) that “my wife is more beautiful than Dora Siliya” a sign that someone is ready for elections?
My advice to PF, Pull out if you’re not ready. There is still 2016. The same people you like to call “Under 5” have outwitted you.
PF ya lala ya lala…PF ya lala ya lala…I believe you remember such songs during our secondary school days, when someone is timid about a whole situation this happens. Dont blame Kabimba its the party that is not ready for elections and want to try confusion…….
What a waste of time, what has happened to the issue of printing ballot papers? can someone tell me?
I have read previously on this blog that this Winter Kabimba has not won a case in his entire law career, is that true? If that is true he will lose this too!!!! ha ha ha
Really discouraging and pathetic that they have to resort to this to ‘install’ Sata into plot one! What happened to the PF being ready and popular? Tellingly, Sata has this one chance to be Presido and the clock is ticking….
Why isnt America wasting their time tracing Obama’s heritage? PF bloggers you see now, you are the ones who are busy saying your compains are issues based when you are busy attacking people. I would rather vote for a foreigner than a homosexual. Sata should be the one to be caged before he messes us up, Zambia is a christian nation so better have a foreigner leader who fears God than have a leader who is an advocate of imorality. Meanwhile we appreciate what KK, Chiluba & RB have done for Zambia but let these rest, HH is the best man for Zambia come 20th August 2011. KK, RB & all the veteran politicians we need your advice for a great Zambia as we support HH to plot 1 for all Zambians including those who are not going to vote for him like Sata in this year’s election.
PF IS NOT SCARED OF MMD, MMD ARE THE ONES SCARED, NO WONDER THEY DONT WANT THE USE OF PVT….RB IS NOT A FACTOR ITS JUST THAT LAW IS LAW AND WE HAVE TO FOLLOW IT IN OUR RUNNING OF THIS COUNTRY.
Just meet at the battlefield instead of this parentage non-issue. Even when you have an even better chance to win people will not buy into this scheme.
@Mr. Capitalist – 3 E’s steering economic growth
Where are u living brother?Sometimes i feel pity for u .Mr president Sata on 20th september will win elections.I know, u lke weste your time on internet thinking 20 people of this blog will make your young candidate win elections.I’m telling u, i’m in Zambia and based in CB.Mr sata will win this year elections for yo informations.I’m young ready to vote for PF leader this year.The man has support from women,men,young ,old everywhere.
Ime guys you should learn to respect The Constitution of Nation.You want to simply disrepect your own constitution done by the very MMD. We must be serious as zambians.Breaking your own Laws! Someone wants to question some of these constitutional illegalities and you opt to demonise him to suit your selfish interest. We can’t develope like this. This is a constitutional imperative and we not question about it. Africans! No I think Zambians we are failing to govern ourselves on premise of constitutional law and order. Our constitutions is in total abeyance.
PF, you are a bunch of noise makers. Why didnt you do this in 2008? Can you base your campaign on serious issues, tell people how you will development the country and stop being a “cry baby”.
Are we ever going to have a Zambian as president apart from Mr Levy(MHSRIP).
KK-Malawi,FJTC (MHSRIP)-DRC,RB-Malawi.We need to be serious and focus on important issues.RB has the interest of the nation at heart and wants to see “Z” develop.
Chwe, this is PF conceding defeat. Can you just get into the ring and fight. Dont use under hand methods
My free advice to PF, please try 2016 if you want to win election. I encourage you to concetrate on organising your political party in 2011, especially on the presidency, i think you need a president with a human face & not a person who is a threat to UBUNTU.
OBAMA’s parentage is kenyan and is presidor so wats wrong if he came from malawi but his a zambian citizen? to hell poor finishing.
I feel soooooo sorrryyyyyyy for these poor starters and finishers! What is the Supreme Court of Zambia position before you engage international bodies who will ask you this same question? Wynter Kabimba, what kind of lawyer are you who doesnt know what came first between an egg and a chicken??????????? God please bind any semblance of PF victory!
My understanding is that PF was hoping that there would be some defectors from MMD so they can adopt them in their list of candidates. Unfortunately on F.O.O.LS such Masebo and Mangani (double M) managed to do that. Honestly these folks are really stuck;
They were calling for election date , not its parentage, next is ballot papers . I remember in 2008 when they impounded a truck in Livingstone on allegaations that it had brought in ballot papers and that the drivers of the named 2 trucks had letters for VJ.
Given Lubinda magestically walking into Mulungushi and instructing ECZ to stop announcing results,,,,, the list is endless.
In a nut shell, this is a sign of failure by Pa Fwaka party.
# 8 – CHIEF BOOTLICKER…….YOU SAY PF WILL LOSE EVEN TO UPND??????????………YOU’RE A BIG DREAMER MY FRIEND……..WHY NOT DREAM ABOUT THE WORLD COMING TO AN END TOMORROW?????? SOUNDS CLOSER TO REALITY THAN PF LOSING TO SPOILERS IN THE NAME OF UPND LED BY AN UNDER-FIVE………NGATAUKWETE IFYA KULANDA, GO IN THE BUSH TO EAT INTOMBOLYA NE NKUPILI !!!!!!!!!
On November 15, 2001, Mr Nsanda was quoted in the Times as having said Mr Sata told him that he was a Tanzanian whose name was Zondwa and that he was just using the name Chilufya as an alias.
This was when Mr Sata approached Mr Nsanda shortly after he lost his bid for the MMD presidency, to organise 600 youths at the stations to cause a riot around Zambia after which the two would have run into Mbeya District in Tanzania where Mr Sata had promised to help Mr Nsanda to have his identity changed just like he had been using Chilufya as an alias name instead of Zondwa, which was his Tanzanian name.
if a zambian cant be a good leader why not pick a refugee who can manage the country. you who are zambians by birth all you do is kalijo bringing others down. foreigners will continue to lead you.
My gosh you MMD and under-5 guys are panicking! Hahahahaha
All PF is doing is swaying attention away from it being caught pants down for not being ready for the elections. As usual talk talk and no substance. We want real issues.
It is clear PF would take the nation backwards and not forwards and are very vindictive. No wonder its leader didn’t attend FJTs funeral.
Should the nation always be engaged in squabbles? First it was vs. FJT and Sata vs. KK. During the Mwanawasa era it was him against Sata and Miyanda all squabbling. Surely the nation deserve better than this Winter.
Panicking Fools..PF
maybe PF has serious info for them to want to wrtie to SADC and the UN.
if the man is not eligible he needs to be caged at chimbokaila
When it matters most, PF, have done it again – press the ‘self destruct button’!
That is Zambian politics today its on you the next day its on the other guy just like that its a football game everyone wants to score please its don’t kubeba
No. 12 You are right Sata ni Mwachusa from morogolo.
Ba PF stop nkhani za mu kachasu! just give the list of MP’s standing this year mwe bantu…..Ninshi nkanshi????
Uko fyayambako p.f awe mwandini but God loves zed am sure he will give us a a serious leader and not a joker!
#25 I have salient points to share. Levy was not Zambian either actually his farther came from Malawi and worked for the Muzungu who worked for Rhodesia Railways. They settled in Chisamba first a railway siding and later kafulafuta another railway siding where his father retired and as you may know a lot of Ba Chawa or Malawi Moslems are settled with their Chief Chiwala they all asimilated as Lamba. Levy’s first wife was Malawian. Sata is simillarly from Tanzania. His first wife the Head Teacher was Malawian. He is a Mwachusa.Anything else you would like to know?
So only HH is zambian from your analysis mwamoneni!!!!!!!!!!!! or i’m ahead of myself.
Mwanawasa’s first wife was my secretary at Works and Supply in Lusaka. She was Lozi. She was Prisca.
Levy’s first wiffe mother to Patrick was malawian, he didnt have a wife before her but a few concubines here and there. :-(
every on this blog is wrong. i am non partizan and i think PF has a legitimate point. lets not ignore it. Rupiah is not a messiah there are more liberal members in MMD than he is who ca foster sustainable development. talk of development. what sustainable development has he done? mobile hospitals? very incompetent leader. he is old i can only vote if some one new comes in. PF has raised a serous issue. corrupt people change laws to suite themselves. Chiluba MHSRIP changed the law that only a zambia citizen by birth and decent is eligible to stand for presidency and i don’t think Rupiah is exceptional. stop playing backyard politics here and look at the big picture
Who ever will win we should learn to rispect the consititution. It was MMD who harrased Kaunda on the same issue, because Kaunda was in the opposition it held water. So even PF should not waste time but just concentrate on the campains otherwise persuing this issue will be chasing the wind. It will not work unless the Judiciary was not like we know in Zambia. Don’t waste you energy on this issue just go choose your candidates and campain or else!
# 21 donchi just go and Campaign time fkor such is gone why did Sata not bring up this thing some time back now tht his seen his losing thts whn he want to bring in cheap talk
71. The Commission has arrived at a decision regarding allegations of violation of
Article 13 by examining closely the nature and content of the right to equality
(Article 2). It cannot be denied that there are Zambian citizens born in Zambia
but whose parents were not born in what has become known as the Republic of
Zambia following independence in 1964. This is a particularly vexing matter as
the movement of people in what had been the Central African Federation (now
the States of Malawi, Zambia and Zimbabwe) was free and that by Zambia’s own
admission, all such residents were, upon application, granted the citizenship of
Zambia at independence. Rights which have been enjoyed for over 30 years
cannot be lightly taken away.
To suggest that an indigenous Zambian is one who
was born and whose parents were born in what came (later) to be known as the
sovereign territory of the State of Zambia may be arbitrary and its application of
retrospectivity cannot be justifiable according to the Charter.
72. The Charter makes it clear that citizens should have the right to participate in the
government of their country “directly or through freely chosen representatives…” The pain in such an instance is caused not just to the citizen
who suffers discrimination by reason of place of origin but that the rights of the
citizens of Zambia to “freely choose” political representatives of their choice, is
violated.
The purpose of the expression “in accordance with the provisions of the
law” is surely intended to regulate how the right is to be exercised rather than
that the law should be used to take away the right.
73. The Commission believes that recourse to Article 19 of the Charter was
mistaken. The section dealing with “peoples” cannot apply in this instance. To do
so would require evidence that the effect of the measure was to affect adversely
an identifiable group of Zambian citizens by reason of their common ancestry,
ethnic origin, language or cultural habits. The allegedly offensive provisions in the
Zambia Constitution (Amendment) Act, 1996 do not seek to do that
For the above reasons, the Commission,
Finds that the Republic of Zambia is in violation of Articles 2, 3(1) and 13 of the
African Charter;
Strongly urges the Republic of Zambia to take the necessary steps to bring its laws and
Constitution into conformity with the African charter; and
Requests the Republic of Zambia to report back to the Commission when it submits its
next country report in terms of Article 62 on measures taken to comply with this
recommendation.
Guys ba PF former pact i am one of you but guys lets jst tell the pipo on wht we ar going to do for them nt to start asking whr RB comes o whse handsome thn the other for it jst shws hw power hungry we ar come Guys lets grow up we dont need change bt wht we ar looking for is development
This is very easy. I am very disappointed with PF. It just proves that you are now just scared of losing to RB. Why are you are afraid of meeting the man at the polls next month? Poor tactics wont work. Forget, that’s anothe loss for you. The truth pains and you know it!
Perpetual Fools (PF) already complaining ………….. just wait for the results then you put up your usual tauntrums.
# 45 kangwele tru thanks
MMD are u worryd of who 2 replace wth RB?LAW is law y do u gyz maniplt LAW whn ours is diffrt 4m USA?
No foreign organisation will intervene in the interpretation of our own laws and intent and therefore, this pursuit by PF is frivolous and a waste of time. It does send the wrong signals as highlighted by other bloggers here, that PF is far from ready. If they were confident of beating MMD then it does not matter who is at the helm of MMD. I am begining to think that this year will be another one of disappointment just like previous elections since 2001 – “look nice from far but at close range far from nice”.
To all PF cadres please file those campaign materials because they are the last by PF. Its make or break for PF, here are my points;
1. PF has to win to survive
2. Might just be the last for Sata and RB
3. If Sata retires both naturally and volunterily, PF is buried.
4. Standing on the last results will not count has there is a breed of new voters, so for all parties ni kaya.
5. No one else would unify PF. I know its a bemba party but wait … power hungry members are all over even the new ones will fancy their chances.
Wynter, your own dad thinks you’re a quack! What more can I say? LAZ is quiet because this is a non issue; Musa Mwenye is sympathetic to PF but even he knows that this is utter rubbish. We have 5wks to go before polls and you wankers want to waste more time on this cr-ap? Focus on a country wide capaign and quit the clowning around!
I am a strong PF supporter but this is out I know its politicking but let’s not go there PF please and yes its campaign time but after being ruled already its ok but yet again having said that Obama came out and went to his father’s birth place and it was all over the net hence no one questioned further…..and one fact why he is president he was born in USA….Ba President Banda was born in Zimbabwe hence we have supporters wanting more of MMD than 20 years in office its like copy and paste from Zim… still having said that let the man stand and voted out !!
THIS NATIONALITY ISSUE IS A NON ISSUE. PF ARE PANICKING AND ARE TRYING TO HIT RB BELOW THE BELT. BUT IT WON’T WORK COZ RB IS THE MAN!! HE IS WINNING AND THEY KNOW IT. PF IS NOT READY FOR ELECTIONS. PLIZ TRY 2016
If I was Wynter Kabimba, I would not want to bring up the issue of parentage after my own father publicly disowned me and is now campaigning for a rival political party and am hated so much that I can not even dare to stand in my home area!
This is desperation at its highest level and with such desperation all Zambians ought to be carefull
PF has run out of ideas. Abash with such cheap politics bent on dividing a nation.
Zambian politics at their best.. one is punch drunk, the other is a foreigner, the other is said to be a toddler no older than a five year old, and these are the goons aspiring to lead our country!!! eish !!!
ATASE ABA BA KWINDI…………………………. THEY ARE NOT READY BAMAMBALA BAKATUBI
pf is not ready period
Lawyer problem!! PF has Wynter and MMD has George – TOTAL JOKERS. Last minute legal KO is not the way sir coz you sound desparate or maybe you donchi know what time it is??Just show us you A Team and lock horns!!
The desperate appeals by the PF party are just the kicks of a dying horse. By calling on those external organisations, does the PF think that such bazungu will rein in on Banda not to run for the election?, me think NO. Sata is just desperate to become the president of Zambia and that’s why he’s resorting to such school-boyish nonsense. The poor old man should by now be preparing for his electoral Waterloo instead of concocting all kinds of silly reasons aimed at stiffling a free and fair poll. Infact this further shows that Sata and his team still exhibit a slave mindset of rushing to bazungus for salvation as if the latter also don’t have their own problems!
Guys you see wht # 53 is calling us “Perpetual Fools (PF)” this is because we ar acting like call boys let talk abt wh we ar going to do aft 20th spet 2011 whn we mke up govtment
hehehe..ba PF ..nifwaka iyo..pantu even sata is a mwachusa..mwapya..heheheheh..why are u wasting your time and courts time..?
Madvise to my fellow patriotic fools, plz after the election of which you will be walloped badly, plz plz continue saying, “Donchi kubeba” we mite consider calling for another election jusdt to please u guys ama poor finishers ;)
RB must be celebrating at this. PF is approaching ‘YIELD POINT”. IT means it has reached its ultimate load/stretch limit and beyond this point may attain permanent deformation which is not reversible.But alas! for alabi has more coming and i want to look at these peoples faces as two weeks before the elections he slushes down fuel prices and the dollar gets resized. Boy, this game is not for the faint hearted, and cycle mata knows this. Meanwhile we may need some more heart surgeons as results start flowing in as I ndolic, will sit on my rocking chair knowing very well which direction they will go. First going this way and then that way for GOOD, JUST LIKE ALWAYS
The headline says ‘PF threaten’, I bet in the end this will be a lot of hot air as usual and they wont even bother to write to the international organisations who incidentally have more pressing issues to deal with such as famine which is threatening 35 million people in the East Africa. Why the UN and AU would want to fight the corner of Satan who famously accused their representatives of ‘just coming to Zambia for a holiday’, because they declared the elections in 2008 which he lost as free and fair is beyond me. So now Satan thinks that the AU and UN are credible organisations after he insulted them?
RB ufisanji? Tell us where your parents come from? The same clause was used against KK what is so special about RB no one is above the law. Let him come clean on this one just like OBAMA did when his issue came up he produced evidence. We need to see papers for his parent’s origin.
RB and WilliaM Banda will go back to Malawi together
PF must be ashamed of themselves for being so trivial. It shows clearly that there is no hope in hell for them to win the elections this year. We do not want time-wasters who rush to divisive mechanisms when they run short of ideas. Balefwaya ukufilila munsenga. We wont allow this nonsense to deter people from focussing on the important aspect of electing leaders. We expected you to announce the winning team instead of this rubbish. Who do you think will belive you? Maybe chaps who you give packs of Shekisheki will follow your thinking. Please be serious and face the facts as they satnd. This is a total self-decampaign move. Do not be surprised if you are beaten lamentably. I always wonder what sort of advisors the PF leader has. Avyakulolavye.
RB is NOt ZAMBIAN. Period. Why is it that Zambia is always ruled by people who are not Zambians except LPM. Why do we allow such a disaster always befalling us. RB was bOrn in gwada, Zimbabwe of malawian parents. RB is related to Aleke banda a former cabinet Minister in Malawi they are fist cousins full stop. Dont accuse PF. It’s not PF that is questioning RB’s parents. It’s the people that grew up with RB. As usul zambians timid to follow up and question him. Typical cowardice in us Zambians. This is a collective disease we have.
I know it pains that he is ‘not Zambian’, according to you and other ‘zambians’. But why not wait and beat him at the polls so that you rub it in nicely – that way you will have assuaged your bruised ego :-) And perhaps throw him in jail since you will have evidence, to the hilt, that he not only uttered false information about parentage but actually also participated in the polls!
WHO IS A LAWYEER? HOW ACURATE ARE LAWYERS IN THERE PROFFESION? AND WHAT IS THE COMPOSITION OF LAZ? AS A LAY MAN I SEE CONTRADICTIONS IN THIS PRFFESION.
ya ya ya ya ya :d:d:d:d:d:d
the last kicks of a desperate dying cobra lol elo ba UN ba zachita chani manje lol
Analyzing recent articles from PF they seem not to realise people are more interested in issue based campaigns. PF have less than 50 days and voters need to know their policies in detail instead of them clinging to irrelavant issues such as parentage. RB campaign speech was based on issues which was impressive. One would also like to know who are PF’s potential goverment officials apart from Sata?
Yaba seriously we are still on this route. Kabimba don’t you think there should be a genuine reason why even Mwenye who is liberal and sometimes sympathetic to the opposition has ignored this fight??? Campaign service delivery to the people time aint there to waste on such tactics
real issues please, ine ubunangani mwe.
Kabimba’s qualities at law are questionable. Has he tried to find out the origins of Sata? Who does not know about sata? PF should equally start looking for a candidte to replace Sata. This citizen issue is neither here nor there. Stop being childish,Kabimba. Githulika alias Chitulika is Mwacusa name.
This is the grand moment when Musa Mwenye should demonstrate the best of his legal profession to offer candid legal advice to the PF relating to citizenship of Zambia’s top profile personalities. If RB’s Zambian roots are to be verified thru the Courts, the PF lawyers will be referred to previous similar legal case in which the late Mr Mushota represented MMD to prove that KK was Malawian. It’s a puzzle that Kabimba as a lawyer opts to ignore a constitutional provision that all persons who resided in Northern Rhodesia by 23hrs 59mins 59secs on 23rd October 1964 automatically earned the Zambian Citizenship. This provision applied to KK said to be Malawian; to Chiluba said to be Congolese; to Levy Mwanawasa whose father is said to be a Yao of Malawi; to RB and Sata of Tanzanian roots.
We may speculate that Kabimba and Lubinda want to hijack the PF by employing this citizenship trickery to cleanse the PF by hitting hard below the belt at their own DICTATOR Sata. Zambians know that Sata is a known Mwakyusa of Tanzanian origin. Lubinda cleverly tarnished Sata’s presidential integrity by insinuating that Sata’s foreign policy was hostile to its neighbouring state, Malawi. PF must be serious on the elections, by fielding its team of parliamentary candidates. September 20th is only 49 DAYS away from today, yet PF have not published their team. May be PF’s realisation of losing the election has prompted them to opt for playing a spoiler’s game of sowing seeds of confusion. Young voters must vote wisely. The stakes are between HH and RB.
The PF leadershiip has has succeeeded in cofusing their own party cadres and potential supporters.
We all know that RB is not Zambia, so lets not waste time over this issue. He might (RB) think he is a threat. Lets just wire him through the ballot.
My prayers are working. I have been praying that God should save us from the trash of leadership in PF. Indded God is answering my prayer. Blogers, do not blame Kabimba, It is GOD whi is confusing PF so that we do not vote for them Believe me or not, we are yet to see more confusin emerging in PF as we go to date of voting.v In fact, i sense that someing worse may hit PF and that wil be the end of the party. Just watch the sapce. There is no way God can alow this man called Sata to rule Zambia. All his evil works are there for every one to see.
pf. finished now. will not vote for u oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
PF…… JUST BOYCOTT THE ELECTIONS :d
BOYCOTT THE ELECTIONS SO WE REMAIN WITH UNDER5 MU RING HA HA HA HA HA
Clowns doing what they know best! What a bunch of losers! Does Sata, Scott and Lubinda think themselves more Zambian than RB? If Sata was President and died, his VP Scott will become our President! Hypocrites!
I think they are just not ready for the elections!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PF realease your line up for the 20 sept 2011 polls, stop being childish, you dont even have a Presidential candidate and let alone MPs to stand in the elections.RB IS A ZAMBIAN.
Though I a PF follower, I do not support the idea of questioning the origin of RB. We have all come from somewhere. This is irrelevant. Focus on real issues. Yes, this was started by Chiluba Kafupi, RIP on KK then it turned against him and had to involve the likes of Silwamba and Malambo to defend him.
I thought Sata was very confident of winning this year’s elections. Some PF supporters were claiming RB will be thrashed at the polls. Now all of a sudden RB is not a Zambian and should be disqualified. What are you afraid of? Surely Sata will win! Where is your list of Zambians you have adopted to stand as MPs? Which UN will entertain such nonsense? The UN has more pressing problems and issues to attend to than listen to a man bent on fanning genocide through tribal politics. I dare you, write to them and see if they will even reply!
Just as I have stated in one of the threads at LT today, all of you PF Kaponyas should team and convene a meeting on which you can compose a campaign song. The chorus about FLY-OVER bridge and Cleaning UTH. Let us be real; just go back to your roots, the basis on which PF campaign policy has always been founded. “I am a MAN OF ACTION, I built the FLY-OVER bridge, I CLEANED UTH I am COBRA, I am SATA” and all the PF cadres should say “PABWATO, PABWATO X 3, MAN OF ACTION X 2, 90 DAYS X 2? and all should conlude by saying MONEY IN MY POCKET X 3? – Ends the song.
I can assure you that this song can sell you manifesto a great deal as we know that what PF cadres know about PF manifesto is ‘man of action’, fly-over bridge, and the famous 90 day money in your pockets.
I wish winter understood law, now he doesn’t.
What he is talking about does not need a lawyer to understand that he is misguided by anxiety and fear.
His fears are understood, because he knows that PF means man of action, and man of action means SATA. And since SATA is losing this election means chances of PF are dwindled, and if PF chances dwidle now, it will be worse in 2016 when SATA’s popularity will be overtaken completely by age.
RB’s Parents were Zambians, and that is what is on record. Now Wynter, or winter or summer, whatever he calls himself has the task with eveidence to prove, first of all before the Zambian courts of Law, and a verdict passed that RB’s Parents were not Zambia. Then after that he can bar RB from standing and if RB refuses, the seek help outside.
Movement for Multiparty Democracy (MMD) member Nason Msoni has charged that revelations by former Ambassador Milton Phiri that President Banda is not qualified as Republican President should not be ignored.
Mr Msoni says it is prudent for the MMD to seek for true and honest answers from President Banda who he says has several times admitted and stated that he was born in Zimbabwe.
The MMD member has added that what appears to be more serious is the allegation that both his parents hail from outside this country.
He says these allegations puts in danger the sovereignty and security of this country.
Mr Msoni further says it is shocking that people who are not bonafide citizens of this country should cling to power and fight for the presidency of this country at all costs.
Mmembe is the one who has pumped air into Sata over this nonsense. Anything that Mmembe says is gospel truth. He ranted at court that he would prove that RB’s parents were not Zambian, hence all this hot air now. Lets wait and see.
Can someone explain WHY bo sata doesnt attend TRADITIONAL CEREMONIES??? why why why????
Part II Citizenship
Article 4 [Citizens of Zambia]
(1) Every person who immediately before the commencement of this Constitution was a citizen of Zambia shall continue to be a citizen of Zambia after the commencement of this Constitution.
(2) A person who was granted citizenship of Zambia before the commencement of this Constitution subject to the performance of any conditions following the happening of a future event, shall become a citizen upon the performance of such conditions.
Article 5 [Children of Zambia]
A person born in or outside Zambia after the commencement of this Constitution shall become a citizen of Zambia at the date of his birth if on that date at least one of his parents is a citizen of Zambia.
Can summer or autumn or winter please explain why his president doesnt attend traditional ceremonies???
Sata is a professional alarmist and thinks Zambians are so dim. ‘You can fool some people but you cant fool all the people all the time.’ Even the issue of barring Kaunda was instigated by Sata when he was minister without portifolio in the same MMD he is now attacking. Mwaloba zero on this issue. The hat trick of loses is now getting on sata. Should we bring up health issues also because ba sata has a pace maker!
I would say only in Zambia bt donald trump tried to pull the something similar with obama
Ooops. What happened to the homo issue? It seems like MMD is now on the defensive about their leaders citizenship (William and Rupiah Banda). Will there be deportations after the elections? Sounds like. On top of corruption cases, it seems someone will also be answering charges about fraudulently and lying under oath. Did the president commit Perjury? Not in the eyes of MMD cadres. What about in the eyes of the legal fraternity? Yes, yes yes!
This leads me to ask, Why is it that worst dictators in the region are always from Malawi and Zimbabwe? Oh, cadres, please accept that this is very true. At least for once.
Anyway ba Levy screwed up. Brought the two Bandas back (William and Rupiah) and both are foreigners from Malawi and both are ruffians and both are liars.
Sorry MMD cadres. Campaign issues just changed.
We seem to have a lost soul out there :-)
Stupid *****s!
Just look at Wynter’s lips! The man is also very sick. They call GK red lipped snake..
Conveniently some bloggers are failing to deny what a Senior PF member in the name of Willie Nsanda said concerning one Zondwa Sata a.k.a Michael Chilufya Sata that he hails from Tanzania according to Sata himself!
There is no doubt Banda’s father was Malawian and given the fact that Banda was also not born in Zambia, he is not eligible to run for president, period.
Pathetic Front
The law is the law. No one is above the law. if rupiah qualifies, then he must be allowed to seek re-election, but if he does not, sorry MMD
we cannot ignore what the law provides. We are not going to break the law just to accommodate one rupiah bwezani banda…NO…
can you imagine if it was sata with questionable parentage? MMD would have a field day!
Let us all play by the rules..Simple
some bloggers need to get their facts right. rb was born in SOUTHERN RHODESIA as zimbabwe was NOT in existence then. now, it’s northern rhodesia which is non existent, but thankfully rb took one or both his parent’s zambian nationality, otherwise he would have been stateless
PF are doing it again – embarking on self-destruction. They hav no one to file for nominations as mps. They’ve tried to wait for defectors from MMD but none are coming their way. Water is fast filling the boat. Proper panic station. Wise up and ditch them.
@46 Mwamoneni, “Sata is simillarly from Tanzania. His first wife the Head Teacher was Malawian. He is a Mwachusa. Anything else you would like to know?”
Yes mate, Tell us why Mr Sata’s first wife left him. :-) :-) :-)
Popular Fools (PF) and Popular Failures (PF), indeed!
Ba Kalos2121, (1) Regarding the 1996 election, the Supreme court of Zambia ruled that Dr Kaunda was qualified to stand. Unfortunately KK made the mistake of boycotting the elections. Read the verdict, that is why even Musa ‘LAZ’ Mwenye has “remained mute”. (2) You and your PF were calling for the election date to be announced more loudly than anybody else, up to a few days ago in fact. Assuming that the international community take up your case (i) they will refer you back to the Zambian judiciary, (ii) you will not have elections for the next five years and therefore RB would remain de facto President for another five years, (iii) All this would be agony for a party that has promised change. (iv) Would you wait to 2016 for more money in your pockets?
KK is contesting again? Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Naizada yama. Campaign just changed focus. Wina azalila this year.
That is why RB has scoffed at PF, they are exhibiting the highest form of legal ignorance. And please mwilatusebanya, and don’t waste the time of the international community, they have enough in Somalia, Madagascar, Famine in East Africa, debt crisis in USA, drug war in Colombia, they would ask who do these PF *****s think they are when their country is under excellent leadership?
Now tell us Kalos 2121 and your PF, should we postpone the elections until the matter is determined at the UN in the next five years? Andyour Kabimba, is that the best legal brain that you have? What happened to Bonaventure Mutale, have you chucked him out because he tells you the truth?
#123, is that your zero option now? Yazanda ba MMD. This is not about who is the best legal brain, it is about RB’s illegality and ineligible to be President of Zambia. If you have any more questions, please go and ask RB’s father. He is the one who was born in Malawi, and it is not my responsibility yama.
Red lipped Wynter, Masebo and others too numerous to list, nayikosa! Lets see if George Kunda qualifies to be the only red lipped giraffe around!
Mr Sata, YOU REALLY NEED TO REVISE YOUR ADVISOR CADRE, You have indeed made good inroads & secured a good & very significant head start in PF & your campaign. All that has been DOWN TO IDENTIFYING WITH WHAT BEEN LACKING & BEEN VERY RELEVANT TO THE ELECTORATE – it is WHAT HAS WOOED THE SUPPORT FOR YOU & PF!!SO CHARACTER ASSASSINATION & MISINFORMED LOGIC OF GETTING THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY (african or othewise) TO SORT OUT A VERY NEBULOUS NATIONALITY ISSUE is something that will LOSE YOU AN OTHER ELECTION, just as last time WHEN YOU THOUGHT INVITING MUGABE WAS ANOTHER VERY GOOD IDEA!!!We EXPECT PF TO BE SMARTER THAN THIS IN 2011, Don’t get SWEPT AWAY BY THE EUPHORIA OF THE WIND OF CHANGE!! ZAMBIA NEEDS THIS CHANGE, But a CHANGE WHICH COMES WITH THE MERIT IT DESERVES!!
I think there more important issues than this, if pf can win then we can take Rupiah to Court for ruling Zambia falsely. Those who are comparing Obama to Rupiah , I think that is a displaced comparison.
How many Pastors do we have on this blog?
Let’s thank God for his answering one prayer point: removing any chance for pf to form govt. Our next prayer point: casting the pf demon out of Zambia to remove any chance for insanity ot prevail. For those who can fast please do just that.
Let every well meaning Zambian vote for the candidate they think uses brains and analyse issues before they speak. I will vote for HH whether he loses or not. Believe me Sata is harmful to this developing nation of ours. I thought the man would do wonders on the investment policy in this country but am convinced there would more harm than good in this man. MMD have done great to bring investment but they have forgoten the people.
I DONT WANT TO BE RULED BY POST FOOLS PF THIS SATA FOOL IS JUST CAMPAIGNING IN LUANGENI IS THAT ZAMBIA U FOOL THAT HOW U LOSE
But didn’t the same MMD say Sata was Tanzanian & sent a team of journalists to go & find out?
Ba kembo mufwayafye filemiwamina mweka like the way u enjoyn our tax money alone ba kolwe!!!!
Mr Sata’s problem is that it pains him that RB made it to President when they were together in politics many years ago. Especially that the Presidency bypassed Mr Sata and followed RB to his farm. That is the bitterness of the cobra. It’s all a personal ego and jealousy which Mr Sata has drawn his blind supporters into.
132 wasosa, the other time it was degree clause, Sata never complained.
Considering how biased LST has become,I wouldn’t be suprised to discover most of the people commenting here are sponsored as a way of decampainign and campangning for PF and mmd respectively
Banging on RBs parenatge as a campaign issues at this late hour is cheap politics.How on earth can this so called lawyer bring up this case which is a none starter and use it to advance his cheap political mileage?Lets get the facts right ,Kaunda was not disqualified and Chiluba whom the opposition took to court on a similar grounds won the case.This Wynter cannot win a case in court apart from the court of public opinion peddled by his propaganda news paper the post.