The Patriotic Front has vowed to use what it has termed reasonable force in defending itself from violence by suspected MMD cadres.
The PF says it has no apology to make over the statement issued by its Secretary General Wynter Kabimba and that it will use appropriate means in self defence.
The PF has accused Inspector General of Police Francis Kabonde of failing to protect them from attacks and provocation from suspected MMD cadres.
PF Vice President Guy Scott has told a media briefing at their Party Secretariat that asking their members to defend themselves does not constitute a terror plan but common sense.
Dr Scott was disputing a Zambia Daily Mail story headlined ‘PF Unveils Terror Plan’.
And Chilanga PF aspiring candidate Geoffrey Chuumbwe says PF cadres will no longer seek Police protection and urged members not to fold their arms and watch when they are attacked.
Matero aspiring candidate Miles Sampa has accused suspected MMD cadres of removing PF posters and says tactics of intimidating the opposition will not work this time around.
And Chawama aspiring candidate Edgar Lungu says PF members should defend themselves to the best of their ability while Professor Nkandu Luo who is aspiring for Munali says the PF cadres have in the recent past been attacked by suspected MMD cadres but police have allegedly not acted.
PF Lusaka Province Chairman Davies Chama says the party has talked for too long and that they are ready to be arrested for defending themselves.
Others who spoke include PF parliamentary aspirants for Kabwata constituency Given Lubinda, Sylvia Masebo for Chongwe constituency and Obvious Mwaliteta for Kafue constituency.
With the 7 guns at your disposal, you can say anything for now.
All leadership is GOD given let us not kill each other. Who ever you are suporting will bring about God chosen presindent. Remember GOD is not moved by your emotions
WHAT COMMON SENSE R U TALKIN ABOUT, THE ENTIRE PF LEADERSHIP RISKS BEING CAGED SHOULD THEIR BE VIOLENCE IN ZAMBIA…….WATCH THIS SPACE
Last kicks of a dying horse indeed.
This is the end of PF, it will take miracles for them to win this year’s elections. Approving violence will make them lose some voters and prove the widely held notion that PF is a violent party.
Poor finishing for PF
Do think think with your head or something else? The laws of Zambia clearly recognises self defence. Should you be attached just because your are in the opposition and the Police have failed to protect you? You should think before you blog. You shall reap what you sow. If the MMD want violence and the Police cannot protect innocent opposition memebers, they need to defend themselves.
Politics has always been and must always be a battle of brains for brains and not of stones and machetes on human bodies. The PF formula is out of sync!
you seem to be an ***** who does not remember that MMD brutalised people in Mufumbwe, drove a car into a crowd after losing the election and shot un-armed people in Mumbwa and Western province. If yu have nothing good to contribute just shut up instead of using your politics of hatred.
The Statement is very clear here If attacked and provoked from MMD cadres defend yourselves. if you have been to school you will understand.
No one should encourage violence. It don’t matter what u call it. Self defence or not. Once u tell people it ok to fight U r saying lets do this then. There will be blood on the streets of Lusaka I assure you.
You are right guy scott, if the police are not protecting them, then its just common sense to use appropriate means to defend themselves. e.g fists!
Goodbye PF, you have lost the elections before the 20th of Sept.
mashimba are you still alive?I thought you had died due to your political promiscuity
Only a fool will sit down and get bitten to death….. Who started the fight for PF to say that they have to defend themselves….. Lets call a spade- a spade.. They are no double stands and if we have to fight violence, lets fight it in totality and not just blame someone trying to defend himself
Foolish huy Scot and we all know that Pf stands for violence. You have spoiled your chances to win an election by advocating to viciously fight. Viva RB.
MMD cadres on sunday were attacking PF members at town centre.I was there myself.Police is useless in Zambia.Really Africa will never develop with such behavior in Zambians.MMD has been beating people in markets minibuses and some st–pid People saying PF is wrong are very use–less .Do u know what happene on sunday where MMD cadres were beating people who who wented to attend PF rally.People were scared.
IF YOU WANT PEACE, DONT ATTACK PF CADRES. MMD VIGILANTEES, PLEASE KEEP A DISTANCE FROM PF AND KEEP YOURS HANDS FOLDED. I HOPE WILLIAM BANDA HAS GOT IT CLEAR!!! DONT PROVOKE PF, THEY WILL FEAST ON YOU, THIS TIME!!!!!!
If a thief comes into your house, do you remain arms folded?
MMD cadres should not start fights if they are afraid of the response. Viva PF
My goodness, this Political Party really knows how to push the SELF DESTRUCT button, just at the right time. This is really amazing. How can a Party just fail to read the mood of the nation and use common sense they claim to have.
Before Guy Scott called the briefing, NGOCC, SACCORD, ZEC, AVAP and FODEP where on record denouncing what Kabimba said over the weekend. And these are PF’s strong allies and sympthetic to their cause and one would would think our educated friend Guy Scott would be more tactiful about the response to his allies and BOOOOMMM!!! He just goes overboard. Shocking !!
Talk about taking self destruction to a whole new level. This is really it people. Absolutely jaw dropping. I feel sorry the blind followers.
You are a fool. Do you want people to just fold their arms while MMD vigilatees attack them? Use your head, not your stomach to think. What Guy Scot said is constitutional. Every individual has the right to protect themeselves
Iwe bootlicker, you are an intelligent guy. Have you not seen how violent your MMD has been in the Mufumbwe by elections and your william banda behaviour at bus stations? Dont talk out of the need to defend. Talk out of the need to be rational. Arguing just to defend is neither scientific nor productive. Use the intelligence I know you have, or shut the f.uck up and let reason prevail.
“MMD Chief Bootlicker”, living up to your name. lol
You’re a joke! lol
Lets defend ourselve guy…MACHETE = MACHETE, PUNCH = PUNCH…50=50. MMD think its their own country…mwaloba ilyauma…
Guy Scott can fan violence because when it erupts, he will run to Britain where he hails from. Zambians, lets not allow violence to become the norm in our society. Two wrongs will never make it right. Surely, if you are provoked you can use other means than resort to violence. If you quarrel with a fo.ol people will not tell the difference. If PF is violent why should they be thought of as the alternative to violent MMD?
You people who are against PF members to defend themselves when attacked, I want to ask you one question supporse it is you who are attacked and you report to police and no action is taken what can you do? In the past this has been the trend unless if you are pretending not to be in Zambia and following our political violence development in the last two and half years. Mumbi threatened to gag rape Nawakwi, how far has the case gone? Kunda said Nawakwi will fall in a ditch, what did he mean and who condemn him? William Banda said he will use any means possible including juju.
With the likes of Guy Scott, Sata, Kabimba, Tekere Willium Banda…Zambia is in trouble indeed.
When the MMD youth League Lusaka branch a few weeks ago said that they have unvailed a 14 pont plan that they will use from the time the statement was issued until after the elections and that included attacking opposition members that provocked any MMD members and also attacking those that were seen to be siding with the oppostion, THAT WASN’T A PROBLEM AT ALL.
“IT’S VERY AMUSING INDEED! ZED POLITICS IS WROTTEN-ALA ZED POLITICS YALIBOLA—————————–Makaka
INDEED YALIBOLA. MMd is not condemned for volence, insults, and all stupid things they are going. When others talk more especially PF its an issues. NAMA SUPPORTERS BA MMd BALIbOLA
pf chaps are just voilent characters
The MMd are very few in numbers in urban areas, the poor masses they exploit by giving them oney and citenges and tujilijili to dance for them would easily turn against them if things turned sour, they shoud ask Gaddaffi and hoe the same people in Tripoli are celebrating his down fall.
We can not, as a pople be held at ransom by a reckless corrupt system, capable of being bribed into withdrawing recognition of a rival country, the Western Sahara so that Morrocco gives them dirty money for campaigns, you cant hide anythign in this day and age!!!!
Tell us more…
his indirectly citing violence most pf members are naturally violent the mmd is a very peaceful party with peaceful people and would not do anything to harm anyone pf caders are the problem here
I fully remeber the headline I think in the then Weekly Post or the current Post “DON’T LET THAT GUY GO SCOT FREE!”. That was when Mr Gut Scott then Minister of Agriculture slaughtered his swine and paid himself compansation. How I wish Chanda Chimba The 3rd could reproduce that. Good God, I miss CC3.
PF is a party of violence and they will not win the next elections…period!
you’re a spiteful *****. period!
ifwe ni HHHH fye, the peace maker!
This Guy Scott is a muppet, eh!
At his age you would be forgiven for thinking the man would statesmenlike, but alas. You can spin this however you wish. To average Joe he is advocating violence and the reasoning? Police are pro-MMD. Really, Guy Scott?
And PF think they can win these elections. Each time they speak they lose 1000s of swing voters. These guys have gifted these elections’ victory to MMD and they claim to be ready.
You *****s, it is not long ago, don’t you remember, when Kabonde was hiding from the MMD cadres? Muli mbwa sana ayi…
ANYTHING IS PROPAGANDA FOR THESE APPARENTLY BRAINLESS NINCOMPOOPS IN MMD! WOULD YOU STAND BY AND SEE YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS BEING ATTACKED BY CRIMINALS WITH PANGAS WHO FOR ALL INTENT AND PURPOSE INTEND TO STEAL AND KILL YOUR KIN AND KITH? COMMON SENSE FOR ME DEMAND THAT I DEFEND MY KITH AND KIN WITHIN REASONABLE FORCE! IF HOWEVER, I JUST GO ABOUT ATTACKING OTHER PEOPLE WITH DIVERGENT VIEWS LIKE WILLIAM BANDA AND CHALWE THEN I AM A CRIMINAL! SO MMD WATCHOUT WE WILL NOT TOLERATE YOUR ‘ALL MEANS INCLUDING JUJU’ WITH OUR HANDS FOLDED! VIVA PF, VIVA MCS, PABWATOOOOOO!
Most PF cadres are sickly Kaponyas. This violence you are advocating for will just backfire on you. Don’t forget Sata the thug has his match in William Banda his fellow thug. William Banda and his Williamites are equal to such thuggery.
On this one I blame the Police for not protecting its citizen especially when it involves MMD caders. MMD caders thinks they are above the law.
LT always feeding us shite sources from ZNBC and sodding TIMES, can’t you balance things up you chaps!!!
Lets go ka friendly this year
No normal person can trust a person who has seven guns. God loves Zambia and this time, it has been “prevention is better than cure”! WE LOVE PEACE.
iwe are you a hired gun? try another tactic tafelebomba you are killing us with boredom
And no sane person would stand by and watch while they are physically attacked!
The way of peace they do not know; there is no justice in their paths. They have turned them into crooked roads; no one who walks in them will know peace. . Isa. 59:8
PFand MMD are both led by old leaders in their terminal stage of life. Each one of them wants to have the last piece of cake before death . A post election violence between the two parties is most likely. Zambia needs a neutral person to win so that we dont see any spill of blood.
NANGA MWEO MULIYE MANJA??????
Only in a state with complete systems failure can citizens be asked to resort to self-defence. Our leaders regardless of their parties are better advised to minimize comments that are likely to set our beloved country on a bad path. PF would do well to preach peace than eye for an eye.
# 23 jane nafuti nafuti, I RARELY INSULT BUT YOU ARE SUCH A CRIMINAL IMBECILE THAT YOU NEED TO BE REMINDED THAT NO PF CADRE HAS EVER THREATENED TO RAPE DEAR EDITH NAWAKWI! NEITHER DO PF CADRES HAVE A 14 RULES OF ENGAGEMENT, BUT MMD SYCOPHANTS HAVE AND HAVE DONE THE THREATENING OF RAPE! RESPECT YOURSELF YOU HALF BRAINED DIMWIT!
chiwamina Ba galu ba MMD..U pretenders deep dwn yo hrts u knw that u r violent the MIGHT PF..Tule wina fye fwino..
STOP CENSORSHIP LT, I MEANT; # 23 jane nafuti nafuti, I RARELY INSULT BUT YOU ARE SUCH A CRIMINAL 1MBECILE THAT YOU NEED TO BE REMINDED THAT NO PF CADRE HAS EVER THREATENED TO RAPE DEAR EDITH NAWAKWI! NEITHER DO PF CADRES HAVE A 14 RULES OF ENGAGEMENT, BUT MMD SYCOPHANTS HAVE AND HAVE DONE THE THREATENING OF RAPE! RESPECT YOURSELF YOU HALF BRAINED DIMWIT!
we will die for the good the MMD thugs think that this country belongs to them this time nikafwafwa ba swine to MMD
Guy is the real swine!!!! lol
IF PROVOKED & ATTACKED PF members have the RIGHT to defend themselves with or without what everyone else is saying.
Why are people not condemning MMD terror campaign?
Tukayipoone fye limb kuti twakwata chance ya ku lootinga
Can someone please attack Gay Scott so we see the corresponding ‘reasonable force’ that he will unleash. This would help PF cadres to tone thier responses ‘appropriately’ as he described. iI am not joking, please MMD cadres, if there is anone viloent among you, please attack Gay.
you are de FO OL swine iwe
be proud to be black u whiteman if u bring trouble here u wil go to yo homeland living us with mabvuto. so pliz live zambia for zambians and pf dont own zambia mind u. u are not saints but demagogos
WARNING tO ZAMBIANS!!!Ballots should be tested:
seems MMD used the technology where by in places like eastern,Northwestern,southern,western and some ndola rulal when u vote sata or HH the vote will appear on MMD after some hours.These ballots should investigated and tested properly before UPG rigs election thru technology.Let them test ballots from each box and try to vote candidates to see if the ink won’t change.We are in a technology era and that is possible.I’m an IT specialist and that can be done in the world.ECZ can transport such ballot boxes in places where MMD is popular and some rulal areas .Ballots should be checked properly.They should test them for two days if they can’t change.we should get those ballots and test them by voting different candidates.
STOP CENSORSHIP LT, I MEANT; # 23 jane nafuti nafuti, I RARELY INSULT BUT YOU ARE SUCH A CRIMINAL 1MBECILE THAT YOU NEED TO BE REMINDED THAT NO PF CADRE HAS EVER THREATENED TO RAPE DEAR EDITH NAWAKWI! NEITHER DO PF CADRES HAVE A 14 RULES OF ENGAGEMENT, BUT MMD SYCOPHANTS HAVE AND HAVE DONE THE THREATENING OF RAPE! RESPECT YOURSELF YOU HALF BRAINED DIMWIT
:x:x ZAMBIANS GO FOR HHHHHHH the PEACEFUL Man.
We honestly need change. Can UPND and PF come together, its not too late you know. Please let us talk to our two leaders. You know they are the only hope of change. I can only imagine how MMD will Dance!!!
Part 1. William Banda gives last warning to PF cadres. The Movement for Multi-party Democracy (MMD) in Lusaka province has given the opposition Patriotic Front the last warning to stop disturbing the operations of the party in the province.
Provincial chairperson William Banda said that his party has for a long time tolerated the provocative behavior by the PF cadres but warned that it will no longer withstand it.
Mr. Banda said that the MMD has refused to be provoked and attacked by PF cadres who are fond of accusing the MMD of being violent when in fact not.
Speaking in Lusaka recently, Mr. Banda stated that if PF cadres continue with their behavior, his cadres will not relent to the situation but will fight back.
CAN SOME ONE LOOK UP THE WORD DEFEND
GAME OVER! PF is finished now even before 20th September 2011.
AND ALSO THE WORD PROVOKE
Has anybody bothered to provide evidence of MMD cadres attacking PF supporters or is this another Mpombo or Membe like episode where PF make allegations that they can not substantiate ie- James Banda is corruptly involved in a $100 million arms deal but you fail to attend the courts to back up your allegations or UPG is corrupt but offer no evidence whatsoever when afforded the opportunity to back up your claims with hard facts but instead get yourself worked up into a diatribe against a govt official who is ratified by parliament?
This year’s elections shall be so peace that, on the polling day pipo will be joking and chating, then the following day they will biz in their fields while listening to the results. And after all is done we the Zambian pipo shall enjoy our land. Nomba ninshi
Tomorow 10:00hours all PF youths in Matero should come here at buseko market to receive pangas for free. Guy Scott please thats not what we told you to say, tell them the truth, we shall not only attack but kill some. If we kill five hundred, they will give up. Please PF youths come tomorow but we have to be careful not to kill our own people because most of the supposed MMD thugs ni ba DONCI KUBEBA. Matero PF youth Chairman
Zambians need protection.MMD is too violent.Vava opposition.
We the citizens of zambia, call upon our gallant officers in uniform to defend us from the PF thugs and cage them.Gay scott is one son of a ***ch who would easily run to scotland if chaos reins in our nation.And not forgetting Satan who would easily run to his native Tanzania.
Any sensible politician with the country at heart will not advocate for retaliation! What Guy Scott is saying is unreservedly irresponsible. At a time when they are expected to table down their issues in campaign, they decide to talk violence. At Scott’s level, one would expect utmost restraint. It would be understandable if such statements were coming from Judge Ngoma and other such pf stooges, not a party vice president of the main opposition. Shame on pf.
Boma ni boma,balikumapo i mbama yakukutwi wapya.
Kill each other for what? Come on be really. These guys who push you to fight in the name of deffending yourselves have a hidden agenda. They actually stand to benefit when you yourself wallow in jail after the fight.
When a party has no issues to talk about, they instead begin to use unhand methods. Surely by this reckless statements, pf has lost many followers.
Pf are empty of real issues, thus this cowardly resort to violence. Shame on pf. Just the other day Sata was threatening an innocent businessman in NW. Fortunately the businessman of Indian origin did not succumb to that intimidation but reported him to the police. Now, around such a time, it is pf’s normal strategy to intimidate and threaten people. This has been Sata’s method ever since giving birth to pf.
umusungu bringing violence to zambia? fusek
These condemnations would have been justifiable if PF members were the ones attacking MMD cadres, but they are just defending themselves from unwarranted & unprovoked attacks.
Strangely no one has condemned MMD for such attacked on PF members..WHY?
What type of society have we become if we can condemn victims for defending themselves?
The police is impotent to provide protection to PF members, the only option left is… BRING IT ON!!
OFFER no apologies for self defence
guy scott to hell with your support for violence we refuse violence
MMD Chief Bootlicker: “…..How can a Party just fail to read the mood of the nation and use common sense they claim to have….” No, they never claimed to have any common sense. They got none!
so what is this Scoty saying now..iwe Scot..mu komboni people are fighting and ur saying ur not fueling violence..u PF chaps are just hooligans
The stupid cadres will go out there and fight and get killed. Meanwhile these same leaders will continue living and partying with their families to 2016. I personally don’t care if soneone chooses to die on behalf of the other – it’s their loss. So maybe I should encourage everybody to actually forget about the elections and just fight, kill each other. The one who wins takes over government. I won’t be there fighting anyway. I’m tired of advising a country full of fools and i d i o t s… They say give enough rope to a fool for him to hang himself… C’mon, go ahead and hack each other. After you are all dead, there will be enough food for me, my family and your leaders to live on!!!
Jojo (JM) says:
Tue Aug 23 at 3:07 pm
Last kicks of a dying horse indeed”. Indeed and understandably so. Their frustrations are reaching a boiling point and about to explode. And now it must be the Sarah Palin style!
So this was their ‘plan B’ after Ng’oma failed to cough up a sample ballot.
Kunta-Kinte: The cadres have a retribution because they too will be denied to priviledge to chew the bones from the master’s table! And being hungry, they truly must be angry and ready to bite to kill!
Vote RB or HH
#60 Where is the evidence to back up your allegations? Why is it that pf are always fond of making allegations that they can not back up with hard evidence? There are international observers in the country now. If pf supporters have been attacked, why not take them to the international observers who would compel the police to act? This policy of making baseless innuendos and rumours just shows how desperate pf is.
The story itself is clear. PF members are NOT the perpetrators but victims who are being condemned for defending themselves.
No one is saying that PF members are provoking the violent MMD cadres.
The point is why do you in MMD commit and condone violence and then turn round to pretend to be victims?
Be warned PF is not just going to sit with arms folded if PROVOKED by violent MMD cadres, SORRY, NOT anymore
If MMD declares war be sure that PF will fight back decisively because that is the only language you understand better
NO APOLOGIES FOR SELF DEFENCE…THIS TIME KUITOBA…..MMD MUKOSE…NO RETREAT NO SARENDER…LETS GO PF
WE THE PF MEMBERS WILL DEFEND OURSELVES AND WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY DEFENDED OURSELVES LIKE DURING OUR LUSAK PROVINCE CONVENTION AT GARDEN MOTEL WHERE POLICE WATCHED HELPLESSLY AS MMD LUNATICS SENT BY WILLIAM BANDA PROVOKED AND INSULTED US UNTIL PF CADRES OUT NUMBERED THE MMD THUGS! MY ADVISE TO MMD SYCOPHANTS AVOID UNWARRANTED ATTACKS AND PROVOCATION OF PF AND ALL WILL BE PEACEFUL. TRY TO INTIMIDATE PF NOT TO CAMPAIGN FREELY AND YOU WILL GET A RUDE AWAKENING! MMD SYCOPHANTS YOU SHOULD STAY AWAY FROM US! VIVA PF, VIVA MCS!
Its seems MMD cadres are extremely dull that they can’t differentiate between self defense and violence. Even crazy MMD bloggers at LT will defend themselves when attacked. The majority of you guys hate Sata simply because he is a northerner! Shame on you losers and shame on MMD
WE SHALL SORT THEM…THEY HAVE GONE TOO FAR….
#72 What evidence can you provide to back up your allegations that mmd supporters are using violence against pf supporters? Up to now, no one including your Membe at your vuvuzela, the past has provided any independent verifiable evidence to back up your claims of violence being perpetrated by the ruling party supporters. By the look of things, pf support is crumbling, why would MMD resort to violence? On the other hand, violence would be a blessing for pf as it would de-legitimise the whole election process, the same process which pf has been at pains to try and postpone due to its lack of preparedness.
Evidence: MMD cadres threatened to rape Nawakwi. Police supported.
And you wonder why the US Government is issuing Travel Restriction to its citizens travelling to Zambia in September because of all these numb head leaders in both parties and their brain dead blind pathetic followers!!
#74 William Banda is published as telling MMD cadres to fight PF and he was personally warning them “last chance”. Why no “terrorist” label for William Banda? I wonder…
The point here is not fanning violence on the part of PF. Bafikala please learn to use your heads you MMD riffraffs. We shall defend ourselves to the bitter end when stretched over. Akanyelele kalasuma nga wakekalapo ne fimatako ifyaba heavy. Viva PF tuleponona ngamwatubala ba swine!!!
This tells you of the calibre of leaders PF has.
How do you tell cadres such message??
Where is leadership in such utterances??
The problem is that their is no difference between Cadres and their leaders.
These are people who can never lead a country to any meaningful development.
Why are they decampaigning themselves.
Zambians must understand who a true leader is.
No father or mother will ever tell his kids that when provoked they should always fight back.
Only an ill-minded parent does that because in assence you are training your children to be fighters.
I have also seen foolish parents who start fighting also each time their children fight, that is foolishness.
YOU ..Why should everything be partisan to you morons, the MMD has blood on its hands and lacks steadfast leadership…be objective and put your silly party card aside for a once. Always writing paragraphs of drivel use your money in that Internet Cafe wisely!!
#74 your thinking betrays all intelligence. Do really know 1+1 = ? Hope u know the answer.
Very very busy in my office this afternoon as I tried to concentrate on a extremely important assignment. Outside was passing a vehicle for a named political party playing very very loud music, songs I could barely hear because of poor sound quality. Do our politicians truly believe that we are so cheap and stupid and that we would vote for them for making noise?? I hear no debate on issues that affect us, it is always them and them only. I would like to see a time when those aspiring for the highest office in the land have live debate on what plans they have for the poeple of Zambia!!! For the job that I have there was an interview and I had to impress the people on the panel. You cannot become President of a country by accident!!!!
If it means butchering them please do so starting with William Banda.
@72 and @74 if you two had a brain you would be called HALFWITS!!
Why is it that when William Banda threatened violence against PF last week everyone was quiet but I’m surprised that today when PFG says it will defend itself even Pixie Yangailo issues a statement condemning PF. What kind of double standards is this? When MMD instigates violence why is Human Rights Commission quiet? What a disgrace! If MMD doesn’t attack PF there will be no need for PF members to protect themselves. If the police protect all citizens equally regardless of what political party they belong to, there will be no need for PF members to protect themselves.
Those condeming PF for self defence, do you live in Zambia or you are Movement for Mad Dogs supporters. William Banda has attacked pipo more than anyone else in Zambia, he has demolished pipo’s houses, he has made many zambians poor and yet no one condem him. SHAME ON YOU ALL. Instead of voicing out to MMD to stop attacking pipo, you are all adding salt to the already wounded pipo.
Violence must be denounced regardless of who perpetuates it.All cadres should know their limits in campaigns whether they are MMD,PF,UPND,ADD,NGP,HP,FDD….Leaders of these parties should state categorically that they dont entertain violence.Thanx
Wielding p angas u pf gain no sympathy, no votes frm peaceful zambians.
Acher NO 82, I FULLY AGREE WITH YOU OTHERWISE ANY CADRE WHO IS ATTACKED MUST DEFEND HIMSELF/HERSELF!! PERIOD!!!!!!!! IF I AM ATTACKED I WILL HIT BACK AND HIT BACK VERY VERY HARD!!!!!
Morocco bribes Rupiah with $7 million for elections–Middle East Online
27 days 10 hours 14mins remaining i cant wait.
Donchi kubeeba… Kubaponona fye nga batumpa…
On a different note, is Rupiah Banda watching what has happened to his mentor and friend, Muammar Ghadaffi? All his North Africa dictator friends and business colleagues like Ghadaffi and Mubarak are gone. You can stifle freedom, resentment and peoples’ wishes, but you cannot stifle their will. The Muchawa Rupiah Banda should learn from the picture showing in his best friends’ countries.
let them fight & arrest them thugs..just b4 elections so that many of them won’t vote…!!hahahah
They say the best defence is attack!!!!
You Panga Freaks (PF) are so dead. We shall start sorting u out nicely on the 23rd of September. Watch this space. Be afriaid. Be very afraid
#88 KALOS2121 – mwila tumpa bawishi. If you were born yesterday that’s your fault. You can’t insult us and liken Gaddaffi’s political system to our democracy. If your father is a Ka-muchona and you were not there in 1991, don’t insult those who were there and sacrificed their lives for this stupidity I’m now seeing here on this blog-site. Just go and vote. Don’t start trouble you will be the first to die, and life will continue after you. We had our revolution in 1991 that brought all these freedoms you are now enjoying insulting each other and your leaders on the computer. Before 1991 just what you have said would have earned you a hot piece of iron through your ar**sehole! Don’t be too excited, this is just an election – and you are not even a candidate.
Ala yama I I do not appreciate your inclusion of parents as the way to intimidate people. You don’t even know what you are talking about. The people who brought democracy in Zambia are today sidelined for the benefit of your Rupiah Banda. Tell me, did you even do anything for the MMD in 1990, 1991 or even thereafter to vomit your nonsense about sacrifice? Were you on that Kaunda list to torture or even get rid off if he had won the elections? Sometimes, you novices and pea brains take democracy and freedom for granted because you never even sweated for it. You don’t me. The people who know me and why I hate UNIP in MMD attire will tell you why. So, please, do not excite yourself easily on things even your entire clan never fought for. Let people who worked for it discuss them.
MMD is is the most violent and primitive party in Zambia. Only a f.ool cannot find ways of defending themselves when attacked. If criminals are killing you —what do you do? Just watch them?
kikikiki, so naba Kalos2121 epo baba? Not worth a comment, kikikikiki.
Wapya baisa mwaponoka ba MMD,atleast they have warned you and kabonde IG will not protect you this time.
They tried the courts and failed, they tried stealing ballot papers and failed. Now they are trying to get arrested, all in a bid to postpone the elections which they are not prepared for, or to discredit the electoral process. I am impressed that the police have not reacted so far apart from issuing a warning, instead it’s the NGOs who are normally sympathetic to PF like SACCORD, NGOCC, ZEC who are criticising PF. Talk about implosion in a party, this will be the mother. By the way, I ask again, who is in charge of PF? Is it Mmembe or Sata, is it Guy Scott or Lubinda, or Kabimba? Certainly PF does not look like a party that has a leader, even if we know that Mr Sata is a violent man, the Chawama hacker.
What I wrote on # 88 is the truth. You MMD cadres have tried to intimidate the opposition just exactly the way William Banda did in 1991. Today, you have flipped MMD back to UNIP and you want to do the same. Kabimba and Scot have a right to their statements, just like William Banda, who is a foreigner for that matter, had to say what he said few days ago. I have looked back into that statement and the postings there. I HAVE NOT SEEN YOUR CONDEMNATION of that statement. Why? Who are you scaring? Probably you have to check your own record as a party. Check the violence you have perpetuated since the change from true blue to UNIP MMD. Everyone in Zambia have a right to life and self defence. If you cannot stand other people’s defence tactics, don’t start fights. It is an eye for an eye.
When you corner a dog, it will bite you in order to get away. When you sense danger you react according to the laws of nature which don’t rule out self defense. We must all use logic before commenting. In short we must be analytical.
iwe we chimusungu wikatuletela inkondo muZambia, iwe walikwata ukwa kupululukila kuli ba nsamya banobe. nacho chi kabimba chilesapota efyo tafyakwatila amano fi pf……
Probably you should remind yourselves that the Mufumbwe violence was perpetuated non other than Rupiah and William Banda. Sata was not in Mufumbwe. The attacks on PF cadres in Lusaka West was not by Sata, but by Rupiah Banda and William Banda. Why don’t you start condemning those acts first? What is so special with MMD cadres’ lives that is different from other parties? Why should MMD think they have the monopoly to brutalize other people? Why is Chalwe, their ra pe advocate still be walking the streets of Lusaka? The nonsense about courts should not even be mentioned here. Which fool does not know that courts in Zambia are 150% MMD run? Which fool here does not know that Zambia has no judiciary? The High Court is at State House. The other place is just a building with walls.
Some of you fools have said Kabimba has never won a case. Yes, who can win a case in courts that are adjudicated by Rupiah Banda?
The position taken by PF is the only option considering that MMD has always thought they have the monopoly to fight others. In more than all the incidences, PF have asked the police to defend them, or even stop MMD cadres from attacking them, what has been the outcome? Why should PF lay on their backs and be screwed as always? Are they not Zambians? don’t they deserve the human dignity afforded to them by their creator? Why should MMD think Zambia is theirs to rule at will? If MMD believes in democracy, let them not attack others. It is democracy. What Kabimba said was if they attack you, defend yourselves. Why shouldn’t they do so?
In fact, what Kabimba must tell PF cadres is that, if someone throws a stone at you, throw rock back at them, if they slap you, punch them, if they call you a name, insult them. No one should be abused by anyone at all. People should learn to be respected. You don’t respect me, you should expect nothing different from me. If you call me chatile chobe, I will pull your pants down and literally show your pip to the world. If you want to be respected, respect my being. If you walk in my house with a knife, expect a bullet in your head. That probably teach will teach those minions to respect other peoples’ lives and dignity. So, MMD cadres, go ahead, go and attack PF cadres. They are ready for you this time. Why should we blame the defending side and leave the aggressor? That is nonsense.
Surely we are all reasonable Zambians and w should not condone violence. I would expect all reasonable Zambains to respect each other. If the problem is with MMD side, then the police should not be seen to favour them. The same if it is PF. Let us all remain reasonable, and those in authority must surely not show sides. I say this because, elections come and go – but Zambia must remain. Let us all do the right thing – and the right thing is to protect every one no matter their political affiliation, and not take sides. This is the most reasonable thing to do by all.
# 94, Katie Good, yes eponaba. What do you want to do? Blogging can be your profession, it is not mine. I have a lot important things on my plate to deal with. I know you MMD cadres you want to monopolize blogging on LT, but other people are busy working on very important things in their lives. Did that take care of your silly question?
The source of the story is not credible. Maybe am wrong . I thought anythingf produced and reported by ZNBC is junk from the PF pespective?
What is the issue about? defending yourself is not a crime. Boma should pursue pepetrators of violence, William Banda and MMD. Every human being, nangu ichinama, has the right to defend himself against violence. Uwaputuka umutwe lwakwe, bonse tulefwaya umweo nokulya bwino. Takuli uwapata umubili wakwe. The onus is on ECZ and Boma to protect all Zambians, no ”colour bar” blue, green, yellow, bonse ni one Zambia.
when the thief comes to steal in your house handover everything to him even that which he has not seen give it out to him. In addition encourage him even to come and steal from you the following day. in this way you are going to have peace.
Read Ecclesiastes 8v11
( because SENTENCE against an evil work is not excuted speedly, therefore the heart of the sons of men is full set in them to do evil.)
So please let the police service , the ACC, THE courts e.t.c work independently without any interferance.
Another sign that Zambians as foolish as Zimbos! Why attack each other when Sata and Rupiya are sleeping safely? You thugs grow up and be real
Zimbos are not foolish only very sleepy!!
RB pays lip service to the issue of peace for not sorting that out that, he should go. Viva HH
Finally I got it. Zambia is a Christian Nation and PF cadres are faithful disciples of Jesus who shout turn the other cheek when attacked! This teaching can only make sense in Zambia; across the Zambezi we defend ourselves! Is it not time for MMD to turn another cheek!
@ CHOMBA uli wano sana . Good man nomba you should be campaigning for your candidate even on the streets
LT stinks. Who is funding you?
But MMD people are swines ai..so you i.diots when someone attacks you will just sit [email protected] goodie you are really a useless bitch all your comments luck substance always saying bull shit even when the commonest of senses is required,think before you bring your clitoris on this blog,by the way you can see that many MMD supporters have appeared after parliament was dissolved,that just tells this i.diots are trying to defend their jobs,mwanya a galu imwe this is a year of [email protected],good points mwana.I wonder if zambia was really a British colony because the level of english comprehension is pathetic-especially ba MMD.
@Kalos Ulishimbi walasa good points, you just hammered the nail on the head. Can MMD cadres here dispute all the facts and points you have raised from 103 to 110? of course not coz you just told them truth man, thumbs up.
Real statesmen consider a descent welfare of the common man as uppermost goal. The PF led by a Mwachusa and Briton does not care if blood is shed on the indigenous Zambians. Since PF know that they have no chance of victory, the PF had plannedd to spoil the broth because Sata & Guy Scott have their own respective countries to return to. Hence the evil plot (DONCHI KUBEBA) to (a) raise parentage issue on RB; (b) discret the credibility of ECZ; (c) deceive Zambians of secret printing of ballot papers which had been hidden, yet data on names, photos & symbols were not yet available; (d) PF & Post ganged up to acuse UPG of corruption; (e) PF/Post waged war to discredit integrity of ACC Director. All tricks failed. Last resort is for PF to fan physical violence. Scott is a useless white asset.
Iwe Chi #115 You are an asshole how dare you insult us when we saved you sorry ass don’t talk using your asshole.
Do you think you will give William Banda your right cheek after he’s slapped you on the left. The answer is a straight NO!!! MMD will be beaten and beaten squarely, as we will not torelate bullshit nomore.
if u were in town pa weekend after the PF Rally u would not be saying Guy Scott of PF is inciting violence.
it happened again during the no third rally and it is always happening…those of you condemning from abroad please come home and experience it yourselves.
Who will lose if pf started off an all out war? War in Africa will never be confined to politics, it is always tribal. And so even those pf cadres who are being incited will end defending their own regardless of their political affiliation.
Who will lose? Consider the population dynamics and you will understand!
MMD cadres have been terrosing PF for some time now. What they want now is to create a sense of fear among PF supporters so that they do not attend rallies or go to vote. The police should put Zambia first and stop this violence being perpetrated by MMD.
In war, tribal alliances are the basis for the goal. Retaliatory acts only fuel more attacks. No war monger will rely on political affiliation to strategize! Safety is always in tribal alliances and the cleansing begins! Motivated by looting of property , a spark is all it takes! Consider Lusaka dynamics and see why certain individuals should be careful because they are the ones to lose most! Tribal dynamics will over-ride political affiliation if a war must be waged effectively! Who will lose? So be careful what you wish for before you lose all!
There will be kerfuffle this time around if they continue to attack PF.
If trouble erupts Guy or is it Gay Scott will run to Scotland.He should not incite violence! Infact, deport him now!
If you live in a glass house dont throw stones,And if you cant take blows brother dont start the fight.
Donchi kubeba meaning…. ssshhhhhh HH has gained a lot of ground but dont tell them. Pretend as if they dont exist. When you hear someone suppoting HH discourage them and call them tribal
When some lowly MMD youth chairman included a statement in his 14 point rules of engagement to say the will use force when provoked. everyone condemned him including the PF, civil society , general public and most importantly the MMD leadership. Many in the MMD leadership came out and condemned the statement clearly stating that it was not the official party position. It is worrying today that a party leadership which includes intellectuals like Prof Nkandu Luo, Given Lubinda, Masebo e.t.c can come on TV and defend and advocate violence. No zambian lets reject these selfish *****s that do not have zambia at heart. i would rather vote for even milupi if change was that important to me than these gumcums that will stop at nothing to distabilise the country. Shame on you PF
Its very clear guy Mad Dogs (MMD) started all that shiiiiii.ttttttt. U cant just sit & watch been killed or beaten to death. As a normal person you need to defend your self. Chapwa
The utterance to ‘defend themselves’ in the ears of those it is ultimately targeted against is enough provocation. Such utterances are to be condemned in the strongest terms.
It surely is common sense. In politics you dont turn the other cheek
No a single person has a permanent political tag written on him. Tags remain etched in tangible things, origins, facial, ethnic, race etc etc. ‘Stronghold’ is essentially not political but a war terminology denoting strength.
The entire PF,starting from Sata down to the cadres,is a bunch of violent thugs.Mind you,Guy Scott would like to see blood because it would bring FRESH SWEET memories to him as he would be reminded of the colonial days.This white fool would simply fly out to his own in Europe whilst we are killing each other.
Sata,Lubinda,Luo,Kabimba,Masebo,Mulongoti and all these other guys supporting violence do not seem to understand the repercussions.Take it from me,PF is losing the elections hands down.Reasons being your stupid and careless talk.For instance,the homo-sexual and violence issues have greatly contributed to your down fall. Bye bye PF.
Reality seems too far from wimps completely swallowed in petty issues that add no value to our body corporate. Instead of dwelling on real dynamic issue driven politics, here we are, they are instead engaging in shadow boxing in kids gloves and ineffective pangas in broad day light.
I ask, how will Sata’s 7 domestic airguns help to protect his estate around lusaka from being looted when the chaos begins? Some of his own supporters will be more than happy to occupiy as their own those Kabulonga, avondale, Rhodespark houses he has illegally appropriated for himself. Think!
Without a just cause no ingrate will be rewarded in the chaos he broods.
If they they attack you, HAMMER BACK at the law provides for self defence!!!
If you’re not provoked, you campaign peacefully. What’s wrong about that???
There is no morality in what Dr. Scott is saying and he should go back to the stone age where he belongs. Two wrongs do not make a right! And who in his right frame of mind can attack a PF cadre? You must be joking! These guys are well known for their violent behaviour hence the name Kaponya. Maybe they have reformed. CriminaIs are now possing as cadres and attacking innocent people. I am just disappointed with the police for not arresting those panga wielding PF cadres, are they waiting for instructions from somewhere? Police sould act now!
Who doesnt know that mmd cadres are a stincky violent bunch.RB knows and has heard our cries and decides to bury his head in the sand.ZNBC and others alike usually twist the stories to suit their masters and we know this.and every body knows this.Can RB come in the open and issue a categorical statement against violent from all corners without reservation, in the same manner Mwanawasa did on the same subject.LPM never liked impunity even in the ruling party and that is why I voted for him twice.This time I have changed and I will go Pawato mwebantu
Michael ‘PANGA’ Sata and his dawgs will hang from their bal.lls come 20th September until they are pronounced “STONE COLD DEAD”
Importing Zimbabwean soldiers is a MMD terror plan
We shall teach those Zimbo Popos a lesson !
The essence of normality is the refusal of reality… And the reality is MMD is winning period
#145, in MMD is winning in your dreams and wishes. Period!!!
I do not understand all this fuss about advocating violence. Surely, what we should be telling everyone is that no-one should attack another person in the first place. As for MMD, please if you live in a glass house, please do not throw stones. If anything noone wins from violence in whatever form.
Encouraging self-defense is in no way advocating for violence!
Well, if this ‘self defense’ talk is not a diversion from real issues, then I don’t know what it is. Self defense talk before telling the people what you plan to do for them is all but cow dung.
Please for one pf grow up, talk issues, not throwing stones and wielding pangas you are accustomed to.
pf is a total disgrace.
AM AFRAID TWO WRONGS DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT. PF LEADERS ARE A REAL DISGRACE. SCOT IS WHITE AND WANT US TO START KILLING EACH OTHER WHY???WE WANT PEACE TO PREVAIL IN ZAMBIA. IF YOU KILL PEOPLE WHO THEN ARE YOU GOING TO LEAD?ANIMALS,TREES OR WHAT?? THINK TWICE DON’T BE CARELESS. IT IS A BAD FATHER WHO TEACHES HIS CHILDREN TO FIGHT BACK AT EACH OTHER WHEN THEY DIFFER, IT IS GOOD TO SUFFER FOR NOTHING DONE WRONG.IF YOUR BROTHER HIT YOU ON THE RIGHT CHEEK GIVE HIM THE LEFT AS WELL. EYE FOR EYE WAS CANCELED BY THE DEATH OF CHRIST ON THE CROSS. ZAMBIA IS A CHRISTIAN NATION. SATA IS CATHOLIC IS THAT WHAT THE CHURCH TEACHES? NO!!. LETS NOT BE POWER HUNGRY.
Fact is, the ruling party must lead by example. Period!!!
Normally they are the first ones to start violence. They shall reap what they’ll sew!
the question and answers are very simple what do you do if you are attacked?
the question and answers are very simple what do you do if you are attacked? then what do you do if the one who protects you says i wont be protecting you. and what do you do if you dont receive justice and lastly who starts this nonsense?
pf is a lost cause. Zambians are just fed up with that type of politics. Lusaka has opened up and this time around pf will not have it easy. Chwe chwe chwe chwe!!!!!!!!!
I find it quite suprising that PF cadres are the only one’s getting attacked. I think these attacks are mere figments of their imaginations. PF should just concede defeat and exit from the elections if they cannot stand the heat in the field.
The Key words are provoke & defend
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