UPND Leader Hakainde Hichilema says Zambians have been calling for inclusion of the 50-plus one percent vote for the winning presidential candidate, a coalition government clause and an independent electoral commission.
He says Zambians have also been agitating for a proportional representation system of government to be included in the constitution.
The UPND leader says Zambians also want social and economic rights such the right to education, health, employment, housing and water to be included in the constitution.
Mr. Hichilema says if these progressive expectations of the Zambian people are included in the new constitution, then the UPND will vote for the new constitution.
He says the UPND will not vote against a constitution if it is manipulated and does not meet the expectations of the Zambian people.
Mr. Hichilema was speaking at a media briefing held in Lusaka on Thursday.
Meanwhile Mr. Hichilema says it is unfortunate that some sections of the media want to dent his image when he constructively criticizes the PF government.
He says the UPND will support good PF government policies and programs, and that being in the opposition is not meant to bring down the government of the day, but to offer checks and balances.
[ZNBC]
Sense.
No HH lied, this guy is full of his wishes, Zambians want 50+1 but no one wants a coalition government!!!
What propoptional representation is HH talking about? I think this guy is running out of ideas. When people ask him to sit back and reflect on the electoral defeat, they actually mean well. He is not thinking rationally.
HH even America has two parties to achieve that ideal. You splited votes and you want someone to have 50+1. You re a spoiler.
America has more than two parties, we kaponya we
America has two main parties, HH should just go back to the rock or ngombe he crawled from
HH go go go!!!
The things he says the new constitution should include, are they not things the PF have already mentioned over and over? Maybe except this proportional representation system, whatever that is… The man seems to want to create room for the possibility of a U-turn in case it becomes an option, while still appearing cheeky to keep up appearances while available options and choices play out.
O.k., some sense from HH. How I wish you (UPND) and MMD provided us with a good constitution when our resources were wasted on the NCC.
pls leave HH alone in bemba we say ulelosha tabamulesha kukanwa.he is mourning and capable of saying anything.he never thought sata would be his president.bro HH calm down.
I agree with you HH but I also remember that it was your party together with the MMD that crafted a flawed constitution that had removed many of the same issues you are advocating for and later backed out from the final vote. 50 + 1 is something that is definitely required and I hope that we finally get a document that is a true representation of people’s aspirations and not just a self serving instrument for people who cannot see beyond their noses. Zambia will continue to exist beyond our lives and we owe it to ourselves and the future generations to have a system that works and transcends beyond individual needs.
No bro, i think lets be honest. UPND and other few progressive Zambians in NCC voted against that constitution even before it came to parliament. But because MMD had planted most of its people in the NCC, these guys lost and as per democratic rules, the majority won. This is the danger about democracy if you have a whole population that is ignorant and it votes for some1 headed for the sea, all of you will drown.
OLYPIA YOU HAVE A SHORT MEMORY, IT WAS ACTUALLY SATA AND KA CHILUBA WHO MANIPULATED THE ZAMBIAN PEOPLE 10 YEARS AGO AND MADE SELFISH ORIENTED CONSTITUTION BY REMOVING MANY CLAUSES IN OUR CONSTITUTION DURING THE THIRD TERM , THIS WENT OWN EVEN TO AS FAR AS DELCAIRING KK STATELESS, THIS HOW SELFISH THE GUY IN STATE HOUSE IS, HE ALMOST SET FIRE OR CAUSE GENOCIDE IN MY MOTHER ZAMBIA. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE YOU HALLUCINATE
The idea of proportional representation is a very good idea. The PF government needs to study this proposal further because I believe, it can be the answer to many of today’s political problems.
Every tribe in Zambia should be given a proportion of representation in the governance of the country so that all people can be fairly and equally governed. To me this would mean that every group or tribe is represented weather small or big in terms of numbers.
This idea would be more practical in Parliament. In the current set up, not all tribes are represented in Parliament and therefore it would be a good idea to insert a law that ensures that a particular number of seats are allocated per tribe. This would ensure that all are represented equally and fairly. This to me is Democracy.
Sir, your proposal is a call to enshrine tribalism in the constitution and is not reflective of the theory behind PR. Proportional representation refers to the principle that the outcome of the election reflects the proportion of support gained by each competing group. In essence seats are allocated to a party, based on their share of the vote. The system is flawed, and gives minority parties too much power just because they took part in the electrol process, increases corruption or deals between parties or individuals (to get their support) and can result in failure by the government to quickly deliver on agenda. It can also lead to unstable government as dissatisfied groups can pull out at anytime – something to be particularly avoided in the african context.
Middle man,,,,,,,, i dont support your ideas, we can not force people in the name of tribe to paticipate in the governance of the country if they are not willing to do so, the door has always been open, its up to an individual or tribe to elect their member of paliament, that sounds like a recipe for tribalism, Zambians problems are just the same weather lozi, kaonde, tonga , bemba just to mention a few. I have no problem to be led by anyone amongest the zambian people provided my problems and that of others are addressed. One zambia one nation, HH`s thinking is always based on tribal lines, thats a fact and cope that.
What you ar talking about is tribal balancing NOT proportional representation. Proportional Representation (PR) as a title covers a wide variety of electoral systems where seats in parliament are more or less in proportion to votes cast NOT tribes. Please do not get confused.
You either have 50+1 or PR (Proportional Representation) but you cannot have both. So far what Zambia has cried for through the Constitution Commissions is to have 50+1 not PR. So, which is HH actually wants? As others have said already, unfortunately UPND MPs collaborated with MMD through NCC and failed the Zambian people – what advise did HH give to his MPs then?
This is the most pathetic idea ever, We as a country trying to unify the tribes and to a large extent, we have done that. I dont care who goes to parliament as long as they deliver. I am not going to vote a tribe just because they need to be in parliament. Its such backward thinking that has made people like you think HH has any sense at all. Fewer powers of the president, 50+1, independent judiciary, and the right for the electorate to be able to sign a social contract with thier MP. You fail on the contract, you go!
HH went to the NCC and why didn’t he push those ideas? MCS told him to boycott the NCC as usual money was good and UPND fell for it.
The committee of experts will determine what the new constitution shall have. Pres. Sata has not mentioned that he will put this or that but will look at the past CRCs. So why the hype Mr HH? Please let us only criticise when necessary
Iwe, do you know how many members of UPND were in the NCC? With all those stooges planted by MMD do you think it was possible to get away with the correct constitution when all these guys were busy shooting it down? Dont bark wildly mwanguni.
Hi Hallo.will never start thinking like a man.He supported the MMD in the failed constitution and now he wants to talk an Angel?Opportunist. He was denying making secret deals with the MMD and now things are reviewing themselves.
Hi Hallo says this and the his minister says that.Opposing even what is self explanatory
Zambians want proportional representation? Really? Relax HH, there is another election in 2016.
Proportional representation leads to fragmentation making it difficult to govern as small parties can hold the legislature hostage.
#11 and #14, Please go and check the debates that took place during the NCC. Yes UPND participated in those deliberation and pushed for the agenda of the things HH has just listed but MMD bulldozed the process. Remember that commissioners had to vote over every clause which UPND due to its numbers could not push through the 50 + one. That said, the UPND voted against the NCC proposed constitution because some the the most important clauses were left out. Just to point out, all the issues that HH has mentioned including proportional representation is the Mungomba draft constitution. pls find time to read that document and compare it to the previous ones, you will find that Zambian have been consistent on those issues. Let us not just condemn cause it is coming from HH. HH not my cup of tea
Just to add, not every UPND MP then was in NCC, this must be clear.
UMWANA ZED YOU ARE TALKING SENSE MY BROTHER, IN FACT THIS CONSTITUTION WAS RAPED BY SATA AND KA CHILUBA WHEN THEY TRIED TO BAR KK, WE HOPE HE HAS LEARNED FROM HIS MISTAKES OF MAKING A CONSTITUTION BASED SELFISH MOTIVES OR HIS FAVOURABLE PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCE, IAM GLAD THAT SATA HAD A GOOD CANE OR PUNISHMENT OF HIS SELFISHNESS BY CRAFTING FRAUD A CONSTITTUITION WITH KA CHILUBA AND THIS MADE HIM STAY IN OPPOSITION FOR YEARS BECAUSE HE REMOVED THE 50+1%. I REFUSE TO FOLLOW BLINDLY JUST BECAUSE OF ICHIMWELA,!!! NO NO
But should HH want to go to bed with a party which bulldozed him? And why is he insisting on the coalition govt clause? The chap knows he cannot win elections. With the revelations that he stole a Lima Bank house , more will be exposed of this chap, please ba UPND tetimwafwaya umuntu umbi kashi?
when is HH going to shut his mouth shut?
HH you are the man, make sure PF shld be given a hard time inparliament of wherever.
Thumps up HH
Hakainde, you better shut up. Your party was working with the MMD to come up with that useless draft of the so called NCC. Are you sure that the contributions from your members is what you calling people driven constitution? Badala stop day dreaming and come to reality that you have lost the golden opportunity to lead this country through the pact. Let some one take over from you if your party is to be of any value to Zambian politics.
HH your problem is you never wanted to associate with PF when you had the oppotunity. Your main concern was to be presido. It is now almost impossible for you to win anyone’s heart. However keep on counter checking what we are doing but with caution and humility. At least now you know that PF didnt need a pact with you to win elections and hope you have learnt a life lesson.
Has HH gone through the PF Manifesto and has he looked at how the PF intends to address the matter he is talking about? Why does he want a coalition government clause today? has he realised that he has no numbers to take him to state house? why did the UPND took part in the failed NCC if he wanted to have those issues addressed? the oasis forum protested and the PF joined them but he went ahead and even at NCC UPND did not talk about coalition government,they did not talk about the issues he has raised instead they wanted a degree and age clause and allowances.I am not going to hear from him but wait for the PF to implement what they promised us,the pact we have is between PF and the people of Zambia.
Critics will always be there .. . . .unfortunately we know alot is destructive criticism but as long as you yourself offer constructive critism then I would advise you not to mind those offering destructive critism. We need a functional opposition like the one MMD had in PF (although alot of their critism was destructive – full of insults, assasination of character even looks . . .hmmm. Some adults can really be childish. .. .. talking about who could win the “ugly competition” and who could scare children . .. We don’t want those types of attacks from either parties. We want mature, contructive criticism and support for the ruling party when it is called for. Remember it is one Zambia one Nation (“wamona ne shobe” bit of humor from Solwezi)
Number 24 is advise to HH
HELLO MR. BITTERLEMA
when is HH going to congratulate Sata for winning the elections instead of yapping all the time, please HH your jealousy will kill you
he congratulated him the day after he won. He was one of the first.
You\’re a real deep thinker. Thanks for shranig.
HaHa stop dreaming. which Zambians wanted proportional representation in parliament?
just win an election and stop dreaming
At times i want to belive u but i find it total difficult to believe you on moral ground .Basically, your criticisms are of national building but with a hidden self agenda.If to-day Michael, awards your company a contract as RB did, you’ll stop all what you’re talking about Cobra and PF.We do believe you are laying ground for the 2016 elections but do slow down and look back,even how you ascended the leadership of UPND.TRIBALISM is nice when it is practised by you but becomes immoral with others.????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????:”>
HH, Your MPs took part in the last constitution which the same MPs failed in Parliament. You were quiet, why did’nt you ask your MPs to support your proposals at the NCC. Why coming out hard now because its Sata in office. There is something wrong with you, where do you stand?
HH,dnt gv up. keep on checks and balances,its health for Zambian politics.
DONT FIGHT SATA, FIGHT THE PIPO WHO PUT HIM THERE. HH IS A DOG WHO WILL LOOSE POPULARITY BY END OF YR
Hh plz shut up mbuli masako iwe.Have some manners you tribalist
Dont just blame HH for his sentiments. He is just fufilling his role as president of probably, the most vibrant opposition party now in Zambia. Should the opposition go to sleep, PF will take Zambians for granted so we need to monitor and Evaluate them on a daily basis. I would also encourage other party presidents to emulate HH!! Zambians, let us refrain from behaving like people without heads..
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh stop it!!!!!!!!!!
HH is so full of himself. He goes to the extent to lie on the wishes of Zambians. Zambians want to see 50+1, but then it is not very feasible unless we adopt the United States Electoral College Model proportionating votes out of a hundred based on provincial population( Number of people/ Total population X 100). HH lied that Zambians are interested in the provision of the formation of a coalition government. I think no one likes to have mixed governance views, this guy is as selfish as people accuse him to be!
YOUR BLIND ROYALTY TO SATA WILL NEVER TAKE YOU ANY WHERE JUST TO REMIND YOU WE DONT EVEN NEED THE UK SYSTEM TO HAVE A MAJORITY WIN RULE, IT ACTUALLY EXISTED IN KK TIME IN 1991, SO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT THAN DISPLAY YOUR IGNORANCE IN PUBLIC
I do agree with HH that Zambia needs a people driven constitution. The Mung’omba commission did a pretty good job and that constitution should the basis for change. However, I do not agree with the idea of proportional representation, in a country where we have politicians with no ideology. What we have seen post 20th September demonstrates the nature of our politicians. We can’t expect democracy without an ideology driven opposition. HH for one has been a political chameleon. How does one take him seriously?
@ MUFUMBWE, spot on. Excellent! I like your extrapolation of these issue. HH is using rhetoric and as it stands, he is a disgruntled, dislodged and desperate political figure. He actually appears more damaged from the post election trauma than the MMD. I am happy that you have mentioned the fact that politicians in Africa as a whole have no set of beliefs but simply little developmental policy. Nowonder every president in Zambia almost only achieves one thing except Kaunda, Chiluba- Privatisation, Mwanawasa- Anti- Corruption, Banda- Nothing really. HH is the most disliked politician in Zambia!
This is the next President of Zambia. I see it coming. Very clearly. If you don’t like what I’m saying just go to the toilet, you will feel better.
50 + 1 will not work for our Country, these Leaders that we have all very selfish, they all just dream of plot one than the interest of Zambians. This is why the Pact never worked because HH is very childish, power hungry and full of tribalism. Unlike Mazoka, he was a man of the people. If you are faithful, step down as UPND Party President, Have you seen John McKean? To be Republicans President after a loss from Obama?
Mazoka would never let to be challenged by anyone within his Party.
HH is displaying double standards. He should thank Sata that he is willing to give the people of Zambia a people driven constitution.
@Njenje, please use statistics to justify that. I think Felix Mutati (Soon to be head of the MMD) is likely to be the leading opposition leader. HH cannot win an election in the Copperbelt, Lusaka, Northern, Luapula, Eastern provinces against Pres. Michael Sata. Besides, there are those provinces that tend to follow the ruling party such as Central and Western provinces. I think HH has got to make way for better leadership in his own party. He is the most disliked politician in Zambia right now, there is no serious media support for him and trust me, the media can win an election, ask RB!
#37 #38 – every politician has been a chameleon – including Sata. Don’t close your eyes to reality just because the guy you support is in power. HH here is not criticising Sata, he is just saying the same things which himself and Sata have been talking about for the past 2 years and have been dogging Rupiah Banda about when he was still president. HH is not agitating for Sata’s removal, he is doing his job as opposition. You are saying HH is chameleon and should not be taken seriously. Well, if Zambians were serious they would not have voted for Sata because he has done all the evil things that politicians do. Even Kaunda and Chiluba earlier this year said that Sata was not to be trusted as a leader. Comprenez? Stop being too biased, it will kill you.
If HH talked about this during the last failed constitution, am sure we could have saved a lot of money and time, had he listened to the PF then, this whole issue would have been buried and forgotten. I wish he would have something and what was his position on the last failed constitution which many of his MPs benefited from. This chap is never to be trusted and he simply gets carried away by the wind. The first he came on the political platform, he made a lot of sense but not any more. He is too desperate to lead!
@ Njenje- Do not include me in a topic I did not speak of, I did not offer open support for Michael Sata, I was offering criticism of HH. HH is lying on his statement. The statement is all about himself and towards the Zambians it is full of empty rhetoric. He said that the Zambians are interested in 50 + 1 and the provision for a coalition government. We can all agree to the former but we cannot attest to the latter. People are educated enough to know that coalition governments are barely a death of the smaller party in the deal and that citizens get a half- baked deal. I think to attain the 50 + 1, we need to adopt the electoral college Model and do a calculation (Population in Province/ Total Population X 100) to know how much is province is worth.
We need a pipo driven constitution not a politician driven,i would like to know what the Post Newspaper stand on the constitution ,do they what the 50% + 1 vote for president,and the famous Bill of Rights……..
#42 LUCIFEROUS – who is talking about winning an election. I thought we just had an election? I’m talking about the future, mate. HH is not the most disliked politician in Zambia, he may be the most disliked politician among Bembas. Stop speaking for every Zambian. Sata got votes in urban areas because that is where he had his support, but this will change now that he is power – don’t forget that. All those other tribes who voted for him will start looking elsewhere and I’m not sure Mutati another Bemba will get as much support countrywide. MMD is going for dead, it will no longer be the same party. All the media you are talking about are in Lusaka and CB and its those run by Bembas – including those in northern and luapula. There is life outside that map and people are also planning.
#44 LUCIFEROUS – Listen, 50+1 by its implication carries with it the likelihood of coalition government. Today in the UK there is a coalition govt between liberals and conservatives because of 50+1. Read the draft constitution – the problem is you probably have not read it. You can’t have 50+1 and not allow for coalition govt unless you are a country of *****s. What it means is that MMD and HH could have easily got together, add their votes, and take government – because Sata didn’t get 50% of the votes. That is how David Cameron and Nick kicked out Gordon Brown. Simple. People don’t actually know this, but that is where Zambia is headed. In most cases we will be having leaders from provinces putting together their votes to take govt – unless there is one outright winner with 50+1.
@ Njenje, if you are talking about the future, you are also talking about elections because they fall in the near future. When I say HH is the most disliked politician in Zambia, I look at the three main parties and see who was beaten by a very convincingly large margin, and we all know who that is, HH. About Sata and the urban areas, what do not get is that Sata has the ability to appeal to people in Lusaka and Copperbelt even if his key policies fail- he has many loyalists! You appear to be too tribalistic, what a shame. I think we need to realise that Mutati has got a better chance at being president than HH. He can defend his record in government and he is as educated as HH is. I think MMD has offered better opposition via George Kunda in one month of opposition than HH has in 5 years!
Point of correction, …… Sata has many ‘tribalists’, …. not loyalists
50% nonsense, be reality hh!
HH is in deed an under five because it is to early to criticise Sata. He should at least wait after 90 days or the same people who voted for Sata will start hating him. He may be blamed for frustrating government efforts to deliver their promises to the people, Shut up and learn HH.If i were you, i would wait for my time. Plot 1 is difficult place to be and it is enough pressure for any president.
@ Njenje, actually I retract the comment I made about you being tribalistic, I did not read the context very well. To an extent FM might not do well against Sata but I think that if he can trim down the margin, he can give Sata a run for his money. I think if MMD can hold onto Eastern, North Western and Central provinces, I think Felix can stand a chance. I believe the Copperbelt can be split and so can Lusaka and the Northern provinces. I think he is reputable and can woo urban area voters. I think Felix’s biggest advantage is that he is not so ‘disliked’ in areas where Sata is strong.
I am just in love with this youngman called HH. He is the brains, viva HH
Where is HH maestrooo mwebantu. Is he around, or…!!!
what is checks and balances. the opposition is there to provide no single room for rerrors for the govt. what the british house of commons session, then u will understand y HH should zip his mouth, govt makes u turns coz the opposition is alert. most things r said but r done when the opposition steps on govt toes. i know we r still developing democraticaly.
Sata has apologised to Angola president, now can he also apologise to SA and zambia for the $27,000 confiscated in SA?
We shall not forget that baba
@Luciferous Calyptus , you elaborate nicely about your seemingly saviour HE MCS. Allow me to take you back to ten years in the past…and reflect on the behaviour portrayed by Sata which can award him the name of a chameleon too! the man openly rallied behind chiluba supporting the third term ideology..Was this in favor of many Zambians?? this is just one of the many wrongs done by MCS which we still hold fresh in our minds. Dont burst your mouth in jubilation and the way i see things, what ever tribe you are, you are a self confessed tribalist and people of your calibre might never have been to school. By the way, which school have you been to if any? We cannot afford having the rulling party un opposed and Mutati your uncle, step father, son-in-law whatever, will never head Zambia.
CLIF 100% SUPPORT YOU.
CLIF STOP REASONING WITH ACADEMICALLY UNBALANCED THUGS, YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME, THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS TO LEAVE IN AN OPEN SOCIETY, ALL THEY TREASURE IS TO SEE THINGS IN THE NAMES OF BA YAMA. etc. FORGET ABOUT THESE TRIBALISTIC BEGOTS.
The reason for calling for a coalition government is in an effort to do away with a re-run whenever possible because a re-run is expensive. As long as we have more than three big parties parties participating in elections, no single party will emerge with 50% + 1 votes. Even in the past elections when PF has emerged winner, they were far from 50%! I hope you get it haters.
We also want the degree clause to be included.
@ Cli Chif: I have not openly declared support for the president. Secondly, on Mutati, I just think he has a record he can defend in government. I think the extreme view you have of saying that he does not stand a chance to be president does not hold ground and can be taken as a sentiment of hate. Felix has never stood on presidential ticket, he deserves the benefit of doubt. As for you making outrageous remarks about my education, I am way educated and I have a double digit paying salary, probably more than yours. You appear uneducated because you speak with emotion and distraught! I discuss issues better than you and we can ask any independent person to assess the two of us!
@ LUCIFEROUS AND CLI CHIF- I think Luciferous Calyptus is a better blogger. He talks about issues in a detailed manner and clearly he is not emotional. Cli Chif, what basic school didn’t you graduate from hahahahahahaha ndiwe chipondo!
Cli Chif: You clearly are out of touch with reality, I will respond to you once you quit involving emotions in your sentiments. I do not need to understand rocket science to know that Mutati is capable of being president. As for my support for Sata, there is no eveidence that I have outrightly declared support for him!
YA BA!!! I think that HH is in trouble. I don’t know what he has to do to convince Zambians that he can also be president. I have tried to defend him but it doesn’t seem to work — these bloggers are determined. So I give up. God will decide anyway!! Good luck to the poor guy.
@ LUCIFEROUS – okay I get your point. But do you honestly think that that even if FELIX MUTATI was given the charisma of Obama he would beat MCS on a good day? I agree that right now FM is probably the only guy MMD can sell successfully, but the problem is that he is not known much outside the line of rail. So the question is WHO within MMD is credible enough to sell him. The PF has gone out on a campaign to discredit MMD by throwing suspicion on everything MMD has left behind, so even RB will find it very difficult to convince people that they should back FM. MMD is in a quandary. Unless PF make a serious blunder, I can see them winning the next elections again. The problem will onyl come if Sata will not stand…then it will be open sesame!!!
@ LUCIFER, I THINK MANY SANE BLOGGERS HERE WILL SEE THAT YOU ARE SUCH HATEFUL OR TRIBAL ORIENTED BEGOT, YOU CANT REASON ON AN ISSUE IN A MORE CIVILISED MANNER ,@@ 34 CLIF IS 100% RIGHT, IF I CAN RATE YOUR IQ ON A SCALE OF 1TO 10, I WILL GIVE YOU ZERO, I TAKE IT U ARE BENIGHTED ,IGNORAMUS ON MOST OF THE ISSUES OR MAY BE YOU ARE ACADEMICALLY UNBAKED, IF YOU REMEMBER IT WAS SATA AND KA CHILUBA WHO RAPED OUR CONSTITUTION AND REMOVED 50+1 DUE TO THEIR SELFISH INTEREST, YET ZAMBIANS WILL KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON SATA, THIS IS THE CLOSE THAT MADE SATA STAY IN OPPOSITION FOR DECADES, WE HOPE HE REDEEMS HIMSELF FROM HIS EVILS
@@@ CLIF STOP REASONING WITH ACADEMICALLY UNBALANCED MINDS OR THUGS, YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME, THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS TO LIVE IN AN OPEN MINDED SOCIETY, ALL THEY TREASURE IS TO SEE THINGS IN THE NAMES OF BA YAMA. etc. FORGET ABOUT THESE TRIBALISTIC BEGOTS.
Some of you are not sincere in your comments, you luck capacity to analyze, you are bent on malice and without due seriousness. You think these are just jokes.
@@ OCTOPUS & @@ CLI-CHIF, YOU GUYS I LOVE YOUR REASONING, YOU ARE 100% AND AS FOR @@@ OCTOPUS@@@ , YOU ARE MY MAIN MAN I LOVE THE WAY YOU REASON ON ISSUES YOU ARE OPEN MINDED, I SEE YOU CONDEMNED HH OR RB ON MANY ISSUES, WHILE I ADMIRE YOUR STANCE ON PF KAPONYAS, I ADMIRE YOUR COURAGE AND THE WAY YOU CHALLENGE PF BLOGGERS, ONE THING I LIKE ABOUT YOU, YOU ALWAYS BACK YOUR COMMENTS WITH FACTS, THANK YOU FOR REMINDING US THAT SATA WAS ACTUALLY THE ARCHITECTURER OF THIS FRAUD CONSTITUTION WE NOW. KEEP THE GOOD WORK MAN. AND AS FOR @@@ LUCIFEROUS, WELL BLOGGERS HERE WILL JUDGE YOUR INCAPACITATED BRAINS
For UPND to survive they must replace the arrogant tribalist HH . Mazoka sold himself well because he did not bring the issue of tribe.People have not frogetten how HH hounded out people like Patrick Chisanga and Sikota. Worse still people have realized that the reason why he is desperately trying to form an alliance with MMD is because he benefited in dubious liquidation deals, the Lima Bank is now surfacing, ,more will come. How do you expect people to vote for him especially the many miners on the Copperbelt who were thrown on the street like street kids. HH is not only a tribalist but a crook.
@ OCTOPUS PAUL BWALYA and @ GEORGE KUNDA (67), Thanks guys for your acumen and please continue refining the conversations on this site. We truly need zambian think tanks at this juncture as we are in a hurry to shape ZED for the benefits of our people. No need to snooze. Keep it up!
# 12 MIddle Man and others like you – What you are talking about is tribal balancing NOT proportional representation. Proportional Representation (PR) as a title covers a wide variety of electoral systems where seats in parliament are more or less in proportion to votes cast NOT tribes. Please do not confuse the two.
@ Cli Chif: Totally agree, when it comes to charisma, I think FM lacks that one quality and I do not know about his ability to woo crowds. As for Mutati going up against Sata, I agree, I think he currently is a lightweight and I think a PF leadership change may favour him.
@ OCTOPUS PAUL BWALYA: It is unclear that your allegations of tribalism are actually of right ground. Stop using your right to opinion to speak like a dog just infected with rabbies. Clearly, everyone can confirm that my mindset is smarter than yours and that you are reacting angriliy because you have lost the contentious issues about who is a clearer thinker. In your sentences, there is more emotion than sense and that indicates that you need psychological help. You do not analyse things, you clearly are an octopus.
Please HH calm down. You will soon run mad if you dont reduce the pace of ranting. Which Zambian wants govnt of coalition….you are a lier HH. Thats why people have lot trust in you now…too much ranting.
what is paragragh five saying cant make sense of it.Editor do your job.
Zambia has too many political parties that a 50+1 majority win is a pipe dream. (day dreaming indeed- mwailasha.
@ GEORGE KUNDA, I will take you and OCTOPUS on, clearly you do not have real understanding of what ‘incapacitated’ means. For you to use a name of a politician, you have a low self esteem because the man you purportedly admire has his own flaws. @ Cli Chif, I like the 50 + 1 analysis, I think it is a good aspect. However, I think we have to adopt the electoral college model because it can avoid the possibility of elections being decided in rural areas and can indirectly offer 50 + 1, I am just not so keen on the 50 + 1 because of the cracks it has proven in countries like the UK. The austerity plans are not going as planned. Also, it appears the Lib Dems are suffering for popularity.
@ GEORGE KUNDA, OCTOPUS- I THINK LUCIFEROUS KNOWS MORE ABOUT AMA POLITICS THAN IMWE. YOU GUYS ARE EMMOTIONAL NOWONDER HE HAS HAMMERED YOU, YOU ARE QUITE SCARED OF HIM NOWONDER YOU TWO ARE MAKING PACTS AGAINST HIM, I THINK HE HAS THE BEST BRAIN OF THE 3 OF YOU, AMILASANI!!!! VIVA LUCIFEROUS, BY THE WAY? WHY CHOOSE A NAME OF A POLITICIAN!
HH you are now useless, you cant even be objective move on and accept.
@ OCTOPUS- ‘Bigot’ not Begot, it is clear who has been to school isn’t it!
Ah ati ba octopus na ba george kunda…..chi luciferous chamimenyani!!! knock out, no matter vamene muzakamba, ichi chi munthu chili na ammunition ikali, mu usinga ma knife cheve chili nama rocket launcher kekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekeke…
HH want to behave like a know it all chap! Even if we put the 50+1 he was not going to even be they becuase the chap was wired badly! had it not be for souhtern province he was going to even be behind Tilenji! HH Stop make your useless contribution and look after you family!!
The main issue here is that a new constitution should come up. 50+1 is a must. we may opt for reruns or coalition govt, depanding on what we what to acheive they are both costly options. As for these calling for HH to go to sleep at this are not being fair to the nation. what they or what we need to do is to help this man become a better opposition leader as we need checks and balance for us to extract the best result out of PF. PF will only delivered best of all times of result if they take in corrective cristisms. We should be under no false impression that they (PF) won’t make mistakes in the process, hence we need someone to keep them under check
@Luciferous Calyptus, i also want to buy your good thoughts regarding the 50+1 pitch. It might just remain a hot ideology which Zambia cannot afford. If we keep insisting, economic implications during re-runs will be heft and teriible. Is this your thinking? @ BOBBY SLAYER, I started with Primary school and then Secondary school, later on, Varsity! Whats your comment now pal. please keep your wrath for the 2016 tripatite elections campaigns and lets analyze issues for now. I believe you are a well meaning person with good orientation. Careful, lest you jeopardize yourself.Chez man.
@ BOBBY SLAYER: Thans for your support but it appears Cli Chif and myself can see eye to eye on key issues, we are not looking for a winner but just good views, regardless how different they are, OCTOPUS & GEORGE KUNDA, I guess we can focus on the issues at hand and avoid the ‘tribalistic’ accusations. I am being neutral, the biggest shame about our political arena is that the leaders rarely talk about actual issue, trust me, they do not even sit and analyse each others statements like we do!
@ Cli Chif, thanks for that. It’s very true and it is appalling to learn that 50 + 1 might be a faded hope. I think I would push for the electoral college model though. I think we need to press the PF government to enforce 50 + 1, and we will see how they will react to something they themselves wanted in place now that they are in power. This will be interesting.
Probably this is the most sensible comment you have ever made without dragging the debate on tribal lines, am glad your brains are slowly being refined
@ SHI MUSONDA, the support is good, it is good to note that Bobby Slayer has got less to offer, what is funny about bootlicking is that even the person whose boots you are licking can acknowledge that you have no leadership qualities. Fellow bloggers, it will be an interesting ride, the Budget is likely to be our most important debate as well as the constitution. I think instead of the NCC rubbish, the president must take his proposals to his fellow oppostion leaders, get theirs, send them to discuss with their people, meet and discuss, compromise and provide something that is really a product of all Zambians, Zambians are 100%, your votes were only 20, 36, 43 per cents.
HH would you please shut up? The PF govt will give us a new constitution but not at your terms. Why did you not tell your MPs who sat at NCC to do what you are talking about today?
Mwanawasa won in 2001 with 29%, In 2006 with 42% RB with 38% or so, why talk about Sata with his 42%, that how things have been the past 10years. Sata is not the first to go thru with 42%. in fact he got more but was drippled. Where as the other three times ruling party got less but dribbled to get 29%, 42% and 38%. So leave sata alone. More people wanted him that any other single individual.
HH go on talk your mind.
It appears to me that HH really believed that he would at least beat Sata in the just ended election. He seems so bitter that a Bemba is at the helm. He colluded with Nyama Soya to frustrate the wishes of the people on the constitution. Now he is pretending to be a champion of the people’s constitution. He was happy when MMD were conspiring to exclude Sata from the election. At least be consistent and have conviction. Sata, for all his faults, made a decision and stuck by it, even when MMD vuvuzelas were attacking him.
Hello bambuli. Let there be opposing views to promote democracy. If all of us support PF all the way kuti batumpa abena Kambwili. Remember the likes of Lubinda, Fr Bwalya, Kambwili, Oasis Forum etc harrassed Mwanawasa’s MMD government. HH should keep on barking even more louder to keep PF awake. Forsake with your cowardly loyalty to PF.
HH want to behave like a know it all chap! Even if we put the 50+1 he was not going to even be they becuase the chap was wired badly! had it not be for souhtern province he was going to even be behind Tilenji! HH Stop make your useless contribution and look after you family!! NO cooalition govt here! only parties with the majority vote should RULE!! Let HH go elsewhere if he wants that! What he is doing now are the last kicks a dying horse!
Shut iwe ka hh, you could have been VP but you blew it. Now get on with it.
I agree with 94 .HH you are spoiler baba. U think u are telling kids with your change of goal posts . Umuchinshi niwebo wemwine . U dont know where u stands . How many pacts have u gone thru ? Every pact u go in there is an agenda : i,e, to lead that pact ? meaning that as at now UPND cant stand on its own and win elections . remember Zambians are stupid and will not accept a clause of : govt collition . Each party should sell itself and convice voters period .HH u are real MAMBARA/CROOK . Why cant u be consisted in what u say ? Bushe mwebantu DONT we have TONGA chap who can be at the top of the party since UPND is full of tongaz support .when are you going to change attitute towards political circles ? plz b like chief NALUBAMBA .
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