Government has said that the resolutions of the Barotse National Council for Western Province to secede from Zambia are irresponsible and unacceptable.
Vice President Guy Scott who presented a ministerial statement on the matter in parliament today said Government will not abdicate its responsibility as custodian of the interest of the Zambian people.
Dr Scott said that secession is a serious issue which should not be connected to the Barotseland agreement or failure to restore the agreement.
He said that the resolutions of from the seven districts in western province for secession were a stage managed and orchestrated affair with no proof of adequate consultation.
He added that government insists that the resolutions by the BNC to breakaway from the rest of Zambia would have to be considered by all the people of Zambia through a process that involves elaborate and credible consultation.
The Vice President said the resolutions of the BNC have severe consequences and ramifications if not correctly managed.
Dr Scott has further stated that government will rise to the challenge of protecting the lives of people and property.
He has since appealed for calm in the country and continued dialogue with the Barotse Royal Establishment.
And Dr Scott said government is ready to engage with any serious and well intentioned party on the Barotseland issue.
He pointed out that the fact that the Barotse National Council was allowed to peacefully take place for two days is evidence of the PF Government’s attitude towards freedom of speech, freedom expression and freedom of expression.
QFM
THESE COUSINS OF MINE ARE TROUBLESOME MWE
Dr Guy sir! Are you aware that these pipo are tribalistic and selfish? Let us let them to go as they mess us up with their corruption of neptism and tribalism.
We cannot just allow someone to split up a nation. Othrwise Zed will be split up into little chiefdoms. This is nonsense coming from irresponsible people who are intent on causing war. Ba Litunga there is no oil in your province don’t be fooled old man.
Very unacceptable indeed.
There was no WIDE CONSULTATION when the agreement was signed in 1964. There is no need for one now. Its up to the Litunga to decide and he has decided through the BNC. Fortunately, the decision is in line with what you Pathetic Fronts promised us. So there will be no problem to honor our wishes!
How do “Fortunately” and “Pathetic” work here if this is in line with what was promised you?
wila fisendela pa high roofers, iwe chikamba. We all have a stake in this issue.
you actually out of your mind think twice
:-? maybe you lozis should pack up and head back south where you came from. leave us zambians alone, mwe ba chimbwi imwe \:d/
KE KE KE KE KE KE KE KE KE KE KE. BAROTSE IS VERY SEROIUS ABOUT BEING ALONE. PF THIS IS NOT A SIMPLE MATTER. LET THE MALOZI GO. WHY FORCE MATTERS. KE KE KE KE KE KE
This non-sense should not be encouraged, Unity is what we should be preaching if we know whats good for us.
In Zambia, a sense of déjà-vu has struck some Africa observers, as President Michael Sata has now gone six days without speaking publicly to the nation while allegedly receiving some type of medical treatment in India.
I really sympathize Sata for his reckless, irresponsible and dangerous talk that has triggered this serious development. Lies will find you.
But you people, may I ask, where is the Litunga in all this? He has been silent since this whole issue came to the fore.
…N Where Is Kaunda? Tell Him To Intervene Before He Dies.
Lewanika… U live imn the past?? Jx coz there was no consultation that is nt justification for the lack of consultation today. That agreement was signed by lochner n a clearly primitive Litunga. The pf government did not promise u seccesion.. The barotse agreement involves self administration n not secesion. Pantu mwa zinkimana
and by the way, when is the AFCON TROPHY getting to Western province?
….bululu you’ve made my day…I’ve not laughed like this in a weeks!
Eish…..Will they manage? What does this mean?
I commend CRZ for providing the necessary counsel to our country men… by country i mean western province. By consultation the Vice mean consulting GRZ. We have had four presidents before Sata and none of them entaintained this nonsence.. And dont expect Sata to do some diffirent..
#4 you are a nincompoop,a qualified fool!!The chiefs who gathered there did not consult there people and the views they presented were personal and irresponsible indeed.The Litunga cannot decide on behalf of all the people in western province to seperate from Zambia.Western province is not a village where a few disgrantled chiefs cannot gather and make decisions that affect everybody in western province.Even the british government,the AU,UN and SADC will not intertain these resolutions.This is a non-starter!!
I wonder what unity people a busy taliking about when there is no equal representation in Cabinet, foreign missions, and positions of influence on account that other tribes have t marry more bembas to be appointed. I guess the problems is like the nuclear war. Every one will threaten But no-one will fire. Engage the lozis and ensure that lies by politicians are reduced.
Cheers
ITS TOTAL STUPIDIT ON THE SIDE OF THE FOOLISH LOZISZIS
It is this kind quality leadership on Barotse Agreemnet that has made the issue to degenerate to this level. Scott is a very dull guy.
Arrest these treasonous *****s already. The time for talk is over.
For sometime I thought comedians were restricted to the Bembas, Tongas and the Ngonis my word I was wrong the Lozi’s are competing favourably. What was that nonsense map we saw in the front page of daily mail? Day dreams. These guys have realized that we have enjoyed the peace for a long time they want war. When they say they will not throw a pebble they are lying. Just recently their own youth through stones and fought running battles with police last year. The situation in South Sudan is very different from the Zambian one. This independence was fought for an people lost their lives. Our Colleagues in their wisdom want to cecede. A good test for PF Govt. SATA don’t hide in India come back and sort out the mess. Otherwise let it be life as usual.
Don’t plead with the Lozis let them go. But it is a bad idea for the country. They want to be 55th country in Africa
Aluyeni Malozi, dont just bring problems to Zambia when things start to go awry in your arid Kingdom.
All this is stemming from selfish Lozis who will never do anything for the poor people of that province.
Mukanyela amuye kafoo. If Barotse means nothing to Zambia, then let them go, the fact that PF gov does not want them to go it means kuli kantu
Its true the previous governments never tolerated this nosense but this freedom of speech in this democracy is the cause of all this.The BNC is abusing the freedom of speech currently prevailing in Zambia. Just arrest these tribalists and lock them up before they go too far. It has been irresponsibly staged by few selfish people.But why no comment from the Litunga?
i have owez thot that lozis were educated but, am dissapointed, coz i have come to learn there are the dullest in the country. they were cheated by lochner now let them not blame us now. zambians own western province, not lozis.its zambia one now
If President Sata has reportedly been discharged from Hospital, the Indian Doctors must certify if a long flight will not adversely affect the funcioning of his vital organs. Let him return to Zambia soon to provide leadership to his Govt on how best to resolve the volatile impulse which has evolved in Western Province as a result of PF false promise that it would restore the Barotseland Agreement of 1964. However, the PF must (1) apologise for not fulfiling its promise; (2) assess the level of polarity the BNC enjoys on this succession bid; (3) assess the geographic limits of Barotseland and the fate of Nkoyas and Mbundas; (4) consider the impact of this succession bid to the integrity and securithy concerns of Angola, Namibia, Botswana and northwestern parts of Zimbabwe.
We dont like you, but we still want you to be around us so that we can continue feeling superior over you. We are scared that if you go, you can develop more than us losers and we will feel very bad about it, so lets all still be in one country so that we can all be losers. Why do you want to go your way you Lozies? Who will your children tease and call greedy and selfish if you leave? Please stay, we enjoy fooling you together with your tonga cousins, At least that makes our day coz there is nothing else we can do with our time. We are losers…lol
You got a point there.
Very easy, for the purpose of this secession Barotseland is western province. Forget those complicated boundaries that you are thinking of crossing other countries and other provinces. As for the Nkoyas, if they don’t want to be part of Barotseland, they can relocate to Zambia or what has remained of it after secession, same applies to other Lozis who may find themselves and their mansions stranded in Lusaka and Kitwe. But don’t worry, Zambia respects property rights and allows foreigners to own property in Zambia. kekekekekeke kikikikikikiki hehehehehehehe
carefull Scott, you were born in Livingstone, right? Now thats barotseland, okey!
Kina nako bana bahesu! What difference does it make, whether in Zambia or Barotseland, better suffer with dignity for which we have always being known and strive to attain, If other tribes choose to be governed by Monkeys and thieves then its their own indaba! Kina Nako bana Bahesu! Kina Nako!
So where is Barotseland? The whole of Zambia or just non-Bemba parts? Plus half of Angola… My countrymen but some of them they know how to tell jokes ka… Donti kubambila
Anyway ba Scott SOSA!! At least some sense
And the Registrar of Societies is watching this illegal group. Have they not violated their code of conduct by advocating for rebellion, violence and succession from Zambia? So you just do targeted deregistration?
The MPs from western don’t seem to be in a hury to resign as demanded by BNC.
At least Guy has opened his mouth today
Now this is the abuse of freedom to its worst level. Even this white man with a clandestine or untold origin is now able to comment on such sencible issues. What gives him the audacity to do so as he cannot, in the first place, just define his job description. The fact that pipo have, up to now, still let him act DUMMY and continued ‘esturqueing’ the monies at the pain of the suffering tax payer does not mean he is legitimately VEEP. He or they had all the time to comment on this issue, alias the report of the COI is all still with them. Why the heck keep all this silent. You must do your job right, brother. If not, then somebody else will do it for you!!
This is not how countries or nations are created ,the Barotse issue is such a boring show fit for Zambia one comedy.Well the cat is away in India,the mice can have their fantasies,he will be back,just wait, by the time he will be through with you,you will wish you ancestors came from Kola.Lozis please grow up ignorance is no defence in law,do not allow yourselves to be contaminated by tribal and ethnic evil demons,we are one,i do not want to be changing pasports for my nieces and nephews and one step brother please morons!
The group that met are a bunch of failures who want to destroy our Nation. Kindly Publish the list of people who attended so that we know who is behind this Non sense!
They can have mongu as their country, let them be> am sure we shall have enough space to breath. They are finishing land here. selfish *****s
This guy Scot is very reasonable, i like his response n with such then we have a way forward. He is neither emotional nor siding, such are the leaders we need in such an impasse.
Funny how Guy Scott can say that those calling for the secession have not consulted the people of the province – I thought that pf was allergic to consultation judging by the way they have unilaterally decided to create a very costly new province called Muchinga and by the way they have ignored the pleas of the people of Southern province not to appropriate ITT and Chirundu.
I tell you what, Zambia will be much better off without Loziland, and I hope & wish the Tongas should join Western Province.
And Barotseland will be the most peaceful country in Africa. Give them independence tomorrow, period.
After almost 50 years of peace and we are about to have serious unrest. Only in the PF regime can such atrocities happen. What a shame.
Ladies and gentlemen. I hope the masses now have a clear picture of what we are going through, including those that took this for mere ridicule.
I myself, am Nkoya, REAL, TRUE NKOYA. I grew up on my father’s farm in Kankwanda. The poverty in this place is even far worse than which our dead fathers left. Through my struggles and zeal to rid ignorance off me, I have travelled the country at great length and have seen what is happening or has been going on in the other parts of the country from one regime to another. Building up some historical trends and making a comparative developmental scrutiny with other provinces, Western Province has really benefitted the minutest of shares( if at all it ever did) from the national cake.
Please, fellow Nkoyas in Kazo, Kalumwange, Munkuye, Burton
Katunda, TBZ, Tateyoyo, Njongolo, Sishamba,Kaoma, etc…let us not be cheated by anyone who has been corrupted to decampaign the BNC. This will but lead us to jeopardy. Of course, what makes you think that the Northern Rhodesian gvt will have you into consideration, because of going against the resolutions of the BNC, when you were not or have not been counted for all the past close to 5 decades. All we have to do is to amicably try and resolve our lukewarm relationship with our Luyi brothers. We, all up to now, very well know our brothers’ problems which we can easily forego. I have always told my friends and relatives that better to encounter a devil you know that the one you do not.
To my fellow few elite Nkoyas (I am using the term few as it is unrefutable fact that there are only traces of literate Nkoyas all because of segregation from gvt), please let us preach the right evangeli to our people and not just open our mouths in any way. I was at the BNC during all the 4 days and I came to the conclusion that the Indaba was well accommodating and inclussive of all the tribes and regions. If people from as far as North Western and Southern came to attend and air their views at this very important issue, why shouldn’t we the very berieved be part of the funeral and be seen mourning.
Should any Nkoya want to be in touch with me, please feel free to use my email [email protected]
This isnt a problem, only a genious ud resolve this one, lets see you *****s who thot it was so simple.
#37 Shokoto, with your name like female insult, What EVANGELI are you trying to bring-forth? Let me email you a right verses for your fellow Nkoyas. I will let you read from The Egyptian Book of The Dead, then compare with the Satanic Verses.
You are too illiterate to understand the Quatrains.
@ Nostradamus, my good friend in natal. I really agree with you. You are well educated and I am illiterate. I would love to put my hats off to you for making your preconclusions about my literacy or illiteracy levels to which I feel I should not be held culpable but the same issues hereby, being debated could easily give us a better responce as to why you might be more educated than I am. For sure, I do not have the same education as you do but I challenge you I am wiser than you are. Seek ye wisdom first and the rest shall be given unto you. Through wisdom I knew the Lord, through wisdom I know how to handle mentally or rather differently abled people like you without ushering any vulgar chauvinisms. So, mi good friend, sit back, relax and weigh my words then come back and tell me who is
Hey registrar of societies!, have BNC paid up? In full? lol
@38 Nostradumus. In my persuit not to offend your feelings, I challenge you not to brag about other people’s works, but bring forth even just a single script that you have produced, if you do not mind an article. I have three books on the market. So take the challenge!!
so i we mune Guy Scott , why then do u contradict yourself that the BNC peacefully engaged themselves (as part of their constitutional right of freedom of speech) and at the same time you blame them for having settled for a secession!!!!!!???????? , and you call that irresponsible decision on their part????? In any case its you who is being irresponsible and disrespectful towards them.The people of Western Province have had enough of being hoodwinked by all the govts which have come into power and go without getting any benefits. You cant afford to lose human lives for crying for a better life. Mind you even other provinces, they prefer to be be autonomous and deliver the services to the needy than having to wait for weird decisions that are made in Lusaka.
I would love to work in Baroteland and earn big dollarhhahahahha!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Barotse gooooooooo….
But this shud be the simplest of all. let them go period
This is interesting… will triple citizenship be allowed in Barotse? I hear in that the sand hides gold, diamonds, oil and uranium. That’s why the Barotseans have never allowed their province to be exploited by infestors. They have been waiting for their own independence in order to exploit the resources themselves. Nakumbwa ine!
Yeah,wewe Nostradamus umenena ukweli kwamba zambia ivunjwe na Walozi wapewe nchi yao.Walozi ndio wenye heshima na bidii zaidi ya makabila yote zambia.Makabila wengine zambia ni wachafu,walevi na wenye uvivu mkubwa especially Bembas.Barotseland ikipewa uhuru mimi nitarudi afrika na na kuwa mwananchi wa nchi hiyo mpya sababu zambia ilivyo sasa ni basketcase.Down with zambia nchi ya wajinga.
Apparently consultations have been going round since 1964, or should I say 1969. Every full-blooded Lozi who was born before or after 1964 is aware of the Barotseland Agreement of 1964 and the history of Zambia, despite the efforts by KK to erase it from the history school books.
Now Guy Scoot wants to dialogue, yet it was his President who was issuing irresponsible statements… probably too late now, don’t you think?
I’m Lozi but some glaring issues which are troubling from the BNC resolutions (at a risk of giving talking ‘amour’ to the enemy) are:
1. Why hasn’t the Litunga signed the resolution to give unwavering legitimacy to the resolutions? He is the one who signed the BA’64.
2. Why didn’t the Indunas from the 7 Districts sign the resolutions to give ‘people power’ to the resolutions?
3. Why is it that only the Barotse ‘politicians’, with the exception of the Ngambela, signed the resolutions as representatives of their political organisations,, instead of the BRE? We all know that these guys are disgruntled and have been advocating for cessation for a long time and their organisations may not be recognised locally and internationally? Are they even registered in Zambia?
The BRE on the other hand are a de facto political Barotse organisation with the purported mandate of being Barotse people representative
4. Why is it that the resolutions of the Council is all about BA’64… granted it was the most important one but what about other developmental issues and their ‘solutions’ that the Ngambela alluded to in his opening remarks?
Those who want to break away from Zambia, coz not every Lozi is for that idea, let them do so on a condition that they leave Zed as it is and perhaps go elsewhere outside the borders of this great nation. This is ONE ZAMBIA, ONE NATION! Nothing less nothing more.
No.13 Moonga Mulanga
Just discuss issues like No.9 (Doda sparxx). It doesnt hurt. No need to call me names. Thats my view and you have yours.
AHAHAAHAHAHAH INTRESTING I THOUGHT THAT UNITARY STATE MEANS TWO COMING INTO ONE WHERE IS THE OTHER ONE?????
JIGA MINYOLUI DOES THAT MY DEAR ITS A SYSTEM!@!@!THE LITUNGA DOES NOT RULE BAROTSELAND THE NGAMBELA DOES!!
KK must say something about this before it is too late. He has the details first hand. Lozis must also calm down…things have changed we have married their women and given them names like Muyunda Chanda. Think naimwe ba fi-ka-la and stop men wearing those long dresses, that is colonial mentality. We are now in 2012.
Watching the ministerial statement by Guy Scott on ZNBC TV last night one gets the impression that he is fed up of the unnecessary and self inflicted anguish that donchi kubeba have brought upon themselves by a bungling leadership. He mentioned old dogs not able to learn new tricks in reference to some people’s off-the cuff remarks, but what struck me most was when he said that after cabinet deliberates on Barotse COI, a ministerial statement would be issued by himself or “whoever would be Vice President at that time”. Now coming from a muzungu you have to read between the lines.
when you look at all these comments,you might think that there is pandemonium in western province.am here and life is as normal as it can be.infact the most of the lozi here in mongu are against it.so let’s just work and make zambia a better place for all of us.long live mother zambia.
You PF guys, when the UN Secretary General came to Zambia Ban Kin Moon, these are issues you should have been discussing, not gay rights, what a missed opportunity, you dont wait for fire to start, stop it before it starts.
@king deceit ,i 100 % agree with you.his beeing put under pressure to resign but last night i was impresed with most of his answers.
@Dodo.Why discussing over non starter issue?If Barotse agreement just covered western province by this time govt would have given u yo province.But Barotse covers parts of Zimbabwe,Botswana,Namimbia and Angola.Do u know that u’ll be killed by Angolans u lozis if u start being silly?U put our country at rist coz of freedom of expresssion.Do u think these countries will entatain yo nonsense?What about other parts of Zambia whom u didn’t conquer?When did u conquer North-Western,Southern,CB,Central and Lusaka?U’re crazy in yo thinking!!!UN can’t support such nonsense which will cause war among these Five countries just to satisfy yo selfish interests.What u’re fighting for is tribalism with HH sponsoring the nonsense.This is why HH is a bad leader coz he is too desparate to rule.
:(( I am sad, my Pipo why now? It hurts so much to see no development in my province even after so many years of independence!. Could someone interprate the questionable agreement to the rest of the world i.e if it’s still legally binding or not! What was it that was promised? Is this the right channel to address the same? What is wrong with what we have and how do we demand for development and , who is responsible? There is no need of calling each other bad names even when they have different views from you! we aren’t like that at all! Lozi people need help and kindly advise and give siggestion ,you may save us from doing wrong stuff but if you condem,insult use abusive language then you aren’t.What does our current constitution say…
LOL. I am laughing because Guy Scott will have no job when King Cobra returns. However, I note his honesty in the following comments that he made:- that the Barotseland Agreement of 1964 was Unique and no other ethinical grouping has such an Agreement!, that “you can’t teach an old dog, new tricks;” that “what Kabimba ans Sata said about the BLA was nonsense because Cabinet has not yet deliberated on it.” WOW!! I can only conclude that Guy Scott is FED UP with his PF KAPONYAS. Muzungu ni Muzungu!!!
King deceit, I share your views. The muzungu is not sure what will happen when the King arrives. Or is it because he is a ceremonial VP and see himself suffering for other pipo’s mistakes. I would rather ask for a ministerial position and avoid an heart attack.
Am totally against the Barotse issue, for your info, am Lozi and married to a ngoni . its so suprising how this issue has brought so much hate among the pipo of Zambia jst becoz of a few selfish people in western province, am now being insulted by workmates, friends becz am Lozi they are now saying all bad things and iv become a laughing stalk…. Which is bad , we are one people created by ONE God and a reminder that God does not look at our Tribe , Colour, etc. I hope the govt brings to book these selfish culprits who have caused this confusion. Gob bless us all. One Zambia , one nation.
SOUT UP SCOTT, IT IS AFTER ALL YOUR ANCESTORS THAT CREATED THIS PROBLEM…YOU SWINE.
I MEAN, SHUT UP SCOTT..IT IS AFTER ALL YOUR ANCESTORS THAT CREATED THIS PROBLEM…YOU SWINE.
Lozis are too blame for this mess. You do not need to a bemba to appointed. If you not Lozi and you marry a Lozi, my friend you are trouble, you called all sorts name – manyukunyuku…
And ask these men of God workers! they will tell when you posted to Western Province, just the first day you there, they will ask you to speak their language before you even learn it… All this has an impact of development to an area. upto now, subject to be corrected, there are no shops for foregn people like Indians in Western provice. So please open up and development will surelly come to our province.
Corrected version!
Lozis are to blame for this mess. You do not need to marry a bemba to be appointed. If you are not Lozi and you marry a Lozi, my friend you are in trouble, you are called all sorts names – manyukunyuku…
And ask these men of God workers! they will tell you that when you are posted to Western Province, just the first day you are there, they will ask you to speak their language before you even learn it… All this has an impact of development to an area. upto now, subject to be corrected, there are no shops for foregn people like Indians in Western provice. So please open up and development will surelly come to our province.
kilemuo manyukunyuku fela
The Lozi’s will never cease to amaze me with their pride, selfishnes and tribalistic tendencies! In the 47yrs of independence western province is still many miles behind partly because they dont want manyukunyuku to take development to their province. And now they think they can even secede just bcoz their government representatives were able to burry billions under ground. Thieves
I had a bad experience in 1992 during my first visit to Mongu; I went in a shop and asked for the price of cooking oil in nyanja, since I didnt know a single word in Lozi. To my surprise the shop owner skiped me and attended to the next customer who was able enquire in lozi. At first I took it as a joke, until I came to discover that the tribalistic harbits were extremely high, such that even foreign businessmen/women were extinct in mongu. These very educated but tribalistically primitive people are living in a dreamers paradise; they hold very high/influential positions but still fail to take development to their province and then turn around to blame the government. Instead of developing their province with their billions, they are busy planting billions in Lusaka West.
People of Zambia,
The so-called King Cobra, SATA is not as kind as his jokes and lies.
He has a great sense of humur only for his interest, not that of the audience – I hope we all know.
SATA does not care what happens to you as long as what he says and does gives him his projected interest.
The fact that a snake may glitter in your eyes does not make it an onament.
What Lozis and all Zambians must know is that SATA is capable of doing anything including turning into a fully flaged dictator; and that can be very easy for him because Zambia has got resources and so big nations can easily back him up for their own interest. Aha, dont pretend you guys, you have seen what happens in the middle-east!!
Now that SATA is already in Power he can easily use terrible iron against lozis.
IRESPONSIBLE IS WHAT YOU SHOULD CALL SATA’S CAMPAIGN STATEMENTS AND ANY OTHER STATEMENT THAT COMES OUT OF HIS MOUTH