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United States (US) Ambassador to Zambia, Mark Storella, says national leaders hold the key to the reduction of new HIV infections through medical male circumcision.

Speaking during a Medical Male Circumcision Workshop for Members of Parliament today, Mr Storella urged Members of Parliament and other leaders to go for male circumcision and thereby encourage other citizens to do the same.

He said male circumcision is a huge intervention in the fight against HIV and AIDS as it reduces the risk of HIV infections by 60 per cent.

Mr Storella stated that the circumcision of 1.9 million people by 2015 target that Zambia has set for itself could translate to 339,632 new infections prevented if combined with other methods of protection.

And speaking when he launched the workshop, Deputy Speaker of the National Assembly, Mkhondo Lungu, said the workshop is meant to provide a platform for Members of Parliament to share information on male circumcision in HIV prevention, and also explore ways of how MPs can use their leadership positions to increase the numbers of people undergoing male circumcision in their constituencies.

Mr Lungu expressed gratitude to the US for increasing funding to Zambia for male circumcision from US $ 5 million to US $16 million in 2012.

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  1. Can I still go for circumcision at 70 years? And just HOW is circumcision a huge intervention in the fight against HIV and AIDS? How does it reduce the infection? Just HOW?

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  2. I guess the public health people have researched this, but it seems to me that circumcision as a means to prevent the spread of HIV merely breeds a false sense of security. Ok, there may be a smaller chance of contracting the virus statistically, but ultimately it still comes down to behaviour and seriously wonder what kind of “message” our married MPs would send the nation (not to mention their wives!) if they go for circumcision as a way of preventing HIV. Sure, hun I got drunk last night and whored around, but don’t worry, my fellow is cut! 

    Surely the Ambassador has better things to do than promote this kind of nonsense! 

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    • hahah looks like you guys are scared to do it jah? its an intervention not only for HIV but cervical cancer because the human papiloma virus is found in the foreskin which causes the cancer. spare you wife the gruesome disease of this cancer by going for circumcision . its easy and hygienic,

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    • Ba bongwe  don’t be cheated by bogus researches, why then don’t the Europeans encourage their citizens to do it!!

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  3. Ifyabupuba ifi. First, in whose capacity is Storella speaking?
    Has he been circumcised already? Second, this notion of “get curicumcised” to prevent HIV/AIDS is just another unworthy cause in the fight.

    You already know how these “civic leaders” of ours think. They’ll go around and continue sleeping with hookers live, they are already doing it anyway. Education is the primary key here. If people are made away of the risks and repurcussions that come with having unprotected intercourse, then behaviour will surely change.

    So, NO, Storella, just continue funding those NGOs and focus on what your real job is instead of yupping marubbish. Some of us are educated enough to know the difference between sh!t and bullsh!t.

    Next please!

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  4. This is part of their strategy to reduce conception during sexual intercourse as males will find it nearly impossible to ejaculate. Part of the wider move to rollout population control in developing but resource rich nations of the world! those that get the cut will see a serious reduction in libido, and women will suffer abrasions from the hardened penis. Climaxing under normal sexual activity will become harder to achieve for men. Namyeba mwebantu besu. Mwanva?

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  5. Hope Storella himself is circumcised .Personally that’s the last thing i can do.I will surely go intact to the grave not ifyakususulako umubili.

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  6. This iz what DONNOR MONEY can do to both the donnor and the reciepient! Lord Jehova God Almighty help us…

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    • #16 Nubian Princess. If we all developed the habit to bathe/shower regularly no disease would hide in the “flaps” if I can borrow your word. I also hope you know that even the circumcised ones would still get HIV and other STDs if they do not use protection. Mainly, it’s all about observation of hygiene and more importantly correct moral behaviour conduct.

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  7. Next he will be telling people to start nyengaliing each other in the butt! Why get circumcised when people are already married…to more than one wife?

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  8. Who is this chap Storella?
    Has he gone for the chop himself, this type of advice is killing our people like flies some think once they are chopped the don’t need condoms and are at it like rabbits. Iwe Storella why don’t you tell those chaps in the States to get chopped if you have the balls.

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  9. NUMBERS THREE FOUR AND TEN IN AMERICA ALL MALE CHILDREN ARE CIRCUMCISED IMMEDIATELY AFTER BIRTH UNLESS THE PARENTS REFUSE

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  10. Its of no purpose for as there already sick i.e Wynter, Masumba, just castrate them to reduce the spread as for Sata i hear his tool doesn’t function.

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  11. This is a very wise move.Uncircumcised penises have foreskin which ‘secures’ a lot of dirt and germs. If not cleaned properly it is easy to pass on the dirt to the next person you sleep with. Most  luvales are circumcised, ask them!

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  12. Storrela has overstayed in Zambia and has become irrelevant, he should be reminded to sometimes zip-up and know his role.

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  13. Have it cut and let me know so that i pregnant your wife,for me the uncut is very sensitive and nyele too much, unless i dont know what other benfits cutting has but the reasons u are forwarding are not true.

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  14. Nomba ngawazembulula ubwamba nomba ninshi olo chaba shani ? Ala bane ngoli wafiko ninshi uliwafiko.Inkama kusambisha.A ka warm shower in the morning limbi napakulala filyafine.Pantu ngolesamba ayo amanyami mulelandapo bane kuti yafuma kwisa ? Mukwai abelefwaya kuti baya.Ichikankala kuichigilila kumalwele…imipila nayo yalichipa sana muchalo chesu

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  15. It’s unfortunate that third-world countries are being used as testing as well as dumping ground for any rubbish/nonsense. Many of these projects that are being sponsored now will have long-term damaging effect.What africa needs now are proper social, educational, and economical amenities, and full independence in making proper decisions for our countries.All this talk of family planning, contraceptives, circumcision, donating of mosquito nets etc…somebody is gaining a lot at the expense of poor local citizens.Is it really circumcision that is needed now?

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  16. I did not know that Storella is a doctor.
    Next, he will be advising Zambians to drink Aloe vera juice.
    SHUT UP!
    Who gives these Western diplomats the authority to say such things honestly?

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  17. @Mushota#27
    Hey baibe, baibe, do not worry about the practice of circumcision because your ‘man’ himself did not undergo through the practice. And on the other hand, we here in this part of Africa we start following this right of passage at an early age. A male person who has never been circumcised is not regarded as a man but he is always regarded a boy no matter how old he is. The wife of an uncircumcised male person is treated a most junior female figure in our culture. Besides the fore skin traps a whole range of unknown and known diseases.

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  18. I have enjoyed the very objective (and sometimes funny) comments by most bloggers here. Indeed most research results discard a lot of data producing negative results so that they can achieve what they have already set out. This circumcision versus AIDS debate is being peddled almost like a religious dictum on the verge of becoming mandatory!!! Shameful indeed… the idea is to lie to you of the safety of circumcision and then let you get the AIDS and drop off like flies! Don’t say I didn’t say so… Keep your skin or chop it in spite of Storey-tellar

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  19. am turning 76 next month, will it make any difference if i go for circumcision considerng the years am left with.? 

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  20. @Mushota#27
    Enjoy your christmas and please send me your details because I want to buy different flavours of South African chocolates for you. Come on baibe, I do not want a lovely woman like yourself to have a black christmas or end up staring at that unfriendly person who sleeps next to you. Mushota, do you that Nick hates all black people including you? He pretends that he loves and he does that because of your education and all the bills you settle in that apartment. You must use him too. He must become the hunted instead of being the hunter. Please, you must know that I am the one who truly loves you, and I have my own money which is too much for all my basic needs or even for other people’s needs want to visit me.

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  21. But Honestly those who are circumcised balilowa and they are clean no any odor.i love the circumcised one mwee.

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  22. MEN – DO NOT GET CUT.  I am a circumcised American male, and I am ashamed that America is exporting this disgusting surgery (circumcision) to Africa.  It’s all for $$$.  They don’t care about your health or your sexual enjoyment.

    Their studies are rubbish.  I don’t care what biased quack doctors supposedly “prove” in the laboratory–we already have a large empirical sample.  European men are mostly uncircumcised, and American men are mostly circumcised.  But circumcised American men have a higher HIV rate than uncircumcised European men, despite similar hygiene and sexual habits.  Conclusion: CIRCUMCISION IS BOGUS.

    DON’T GET CUT.  IF YOU’VE BEEN CUT AND HAVE SUFFERED SEXUALLY AS A RESULT, PLEASE E-MAIL ME AT [email protected]

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  23. @BOOM & WHATEVER#36
    Oops, excuse me, the last sentence especially the last part I omitted a word known as ‘who’ therefore it should be written as follows ‘other people’s needs who want to visit me’
    In the third sentence I left out a word, for example, it should have been written as ‘Mushota do you know that Nick hates all black people including you?’
    In the fourth sentence I also left out a silly word or I should have written the construction as ” He pretends that he loves you and he does that because of your education and all the bills which you settle in that apartment.’
    Mushota open your eyes he is painting a picture before everyone as if you are buying love from him. Stop wasting your youthfulness on people who belittle you.

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  24. As for the pros and cons, I can’t tell you any benefits of circumcision – I really don’t believe there’s any solid basis for believing it’s beneficial. I do have a list of reasons to stay intact:
    Circumcision (loss of the foreskin) makes the following changes:

    Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
    Neonatal circumcision is often done with inadequate pain relief. The child is subjected to intense pain for up to 15 minutes. This pain may leave a child with post-traumatic stress disorder, which is debilitating even for adults who can receive therapy for it. For a baby, it could lead to all sorts of hidden but significant psychological problems in later life.

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  25. Life Threatening
    About 500 babies per year die from complications of circumcision – usually from blood loss, infection or anaesthetic problems.
    Sensitivity Loss
    When the foreskin is removed half the penile sensitivity is instantly lost, BUT at the same time the glans is exposed, making it SEEM more sensitive. After that, the glans keratinizes, making it very slowly get less sensitive – so slowly that it’s hard to notice a difference. This is not ‘healing’ – it will feel better, but only because it’s being so badly damaged that the nerves are being deadened. In the end, there’s a big difference (up to 75% sensitivity loss). Nerve endings don’t grow back, and a penis that has lost so many cannot possibly feel as sensitive as it did before. 

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  26. But like the proverbial frog cooking slowly on a hotplate and not noticing the difference in heat, a man who gets a circumcision might think that his penis feels the same, but he just doesn’t notice the difference because the process takes so long.
    Failure to Heal
    A circumcised penis can never ‘heal completely’. The penis has been permanently damaged. 
    Size
    After neonatal or childhood circumcision, it’s believed that the growth of the penis is retarded; causing the adult penis to be smaller than it would have been if the foreskin had been left intact.

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  27. Further Damage
    After the glans is exposed, the ‘pearly penile papules’ around the corona (rim of the glans) tend to disappear. These structures are poorly understood, but may increase sexual pleasure for either the male or the female.
    Loss of Function
    The foreskin is an entire mechanism, including skin, muscle, mucous membrane and supporting structures. Cutting it off is not only excruciatingly painful, but it cripples the penis, destroying a large part of it, including the penis’s only moving part, making the whole organ incapable of ever functioning the way nature intended and making sexual intercourse that much more difficult.

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  28. AFRICAN MEN–please stand up and tell America that it’s wrong about circumcision.  Please help us.  Circumcised American doctors put out bogus studies about how circumcision doesn’t impair sexual pleasure when it clearly does.  AMERICA NEEDS A COMPLETE TURNAROUND IN THINKING WHEN IT COMES TO MALE CIRCUMCISION.  SO MANY PARENTS HERE DO IT TO THEIR PRECIOUS BABY BOYS WITHOUT EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT–IT’S SICKENING.

    AFRICAN MEN–you can be the ones to open America’s eyes.  Please e-mail me at [email protected] if you or someone you know has been sexually damaged by circumcision.

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  29. No Advantage in Terms of Cleanliness
    Many people have been led to believe that circumcision is cleaner. But a circumcised penis is no cleaner than an intact penis. Both need to be gently rinsed clean while showering.
    Circumcision is a Woman’s Problem Too
    The circumcised penis usually gives less pleasure to the woman because the foreskin that gives the uncircumcised penis its gliding motion is no longer there. As a result of this, and as a result of the loss of sensitivity involved in a circumcised penis, the man has to push harder and more roughly to get the same feeling that an uncircumcised penis would give. All this, combined with the roughness and dryness of the keratinized glans, results in a less comfortable and less pleasurable experience for the woman. 

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  30. Cowards, cowards, cowards ……….Lets march boys to the slaughter house. The skin is needed to make bio – women’s-handbags and shoes. Imagine the shoes and hand bags will be elastic by mere rubbing. When you see those nice women’s shoes and handbags just know that you contributed the material.

    Okey, on a serious note, its quite healthy and hygienic ……….

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  31. First of all, what will my wife think of me? We are disease free right now. That will be an indication that after circumcision am free to sleep around. That’s what we get for donor money, they dictate what you must do…..

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  32. Listen, all you people talking about hygiene and all, bwishe ba fikala imwe tamu samfya bwamba? Gentlemen (excuse me ladies) if you wash your dickson in and out and around your head area, and not forgetting under your amatole, you will not be stinking. Shower everyday and hit those areas I just mentioned, and your woman will thank you, trust me.

    Circumcision is just preference. When you decide to f.u.c.k live, whether you’re clean or not…chances are, you’ll pick some STD or something from tha glory hole. PROTECT YOURSELVES, chapwa.

    Don’t be baiche imwe.
    Need I say more???????

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  33. Listen, all you people talking about hygiene and all, bwishe ba fikala imwe tamu samfya bwamba? Gentlemen (excuse me ladies) if you wash your dickson in and out and around your head area, and not forgetting under your NUTZ you will not be stinking. Shower everyday and hit those areas I just mentioned, and your woman will thank you, trust me.

    Circumcision is just preference. When you decide to f.u.c.k live, whether you’re clean or not…chances are, you’ll pick some STD or something from tha glory hole. PROTECT YOURSELVES, chapwa.

    Don’t be baiche imwe.
    Need I say more??????

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  34. Zambians and the conspirency theory!lol.Anyway you cant blame.We went through too much with the british.We are a very suspiscious people.

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  35. ***Hygiene???? Are you serious?

    Gentlemen (excuse me ladies) if you wash your dickson in and out and around your head area, and not forgetting under your NUTZ you will not be stinking

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  36. ***Hygiene???? Are you serious?

    Gentlemen (excuse me ladies) if you wash your stick in and out and around your head area, and not forgetting under your NUTZ you will not be stink. Remember, nutz sweat as well.

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  37. The hygiene argument is stupid.  The average intact (uncircumcised) female genitalia, when compared with the average intact (uncircumcised) male genitalia, produces more smegma, is more prone to HIV infection from heterosexual contact, emits more of a natural odor, has more dark, moist areas and therefore is more prone to infection.  Yet even the mildest forms of female cutting in Africa is called “mutilation” by America, while America is telling men, “CUT CUT CUT.”

    Absolute stupidity, through and through.  Shame on America!

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  38. The problem is that most Zambian men love to have sex like gay men; dry and unprotected! That is why Zambia is among the countries with the highest infection rates. HIV statistically is spread by men not because of their circumcision status or promiscuity but anatomically. So listen up, have it circumcised so you avoid all those tears from friction, make sure your girl is nice and moist before the do, use a condom if you sleep around, and if you are gay please stay gay and stay away from the women!

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  39. Shame on Mark Storella, he should be sent packing. He is nothing but a shill for big farma. They spent a quarter of a billion dollars on this garbage.

    Circumcision does not protect against HIV infection. It is a crime against humanity that these dirtbags want to circumcise every child in Africa, which is what they are doing.

    If you want to know more about the bias and fraud that lays at the foundation of this phenomenon, google: doctors opposing circumcision hiv statement

    The trials were stopped when the ‘researchers’ had the results they wanted. They are also long time advocates of circumcision, even withouth the issue of HIV.

    What these individuals are doing is very dangerous, and I wonder whether people understand the political risk involved.

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    • It’s horrible, just horrible.  I was appalled when I heard about the proposed infant circumcision campaigns.  They can’t convince the men, so they go for the young.  Absolute bastards.

      I hope and pray that Africans will not put their babies under the knife!

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  40. Why am I reading this?  Why is male circumcision not classified as male genital mutilation(MGM). Double standards!  I hope those going for this procedure won’t end up with surgeons cutting and throwing the wrong piece away! Wishing you the best of luck! Good night!

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    • It’s not called MGM because Americans do it.  Americans can’t go out and say, “Yup, we’ve performed MGM on nearly two generations of our males!  And we’d like to spread it to the rest of the world!”

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  41.  Making it a taboo to compare male with female sexual mutilation is the biggest scandal of the controversy. In both instances the most sensitive and most erogenous zone of the human body is amputated and severely damaged. In both instances, what counts primarily is the cutting of human sexuality. The imposition of control by the patriarchy.

      Also, unfortunately it is / has been circumcision that has MADE for no end of anti-semitic sentiments. Freud found that it was the chief reason for unconscious anti-Semitism. And the myths surrounding it are at the core of the “blood libel.” Thus, It’s time to eliminate the Brit Milah because if that is the chief reason for being anti-Semitic or anti-Abrahamic [Islam too practices the rite] then why hang on to this left-o

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  42. Jesus was circumcised. So you christians make your own decision.
    For ladies out there tell us. What is better? circumcised or not circumcised?

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  43. Research before you comment, it seems you are very ignorant about the advantages and disadvantages of MC

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  44. “If you want the donor money from USAID, then go and bring chains of fore-skins, starting with the only 1 white one you have”.
    Prof. Chirwa come and save us!!!

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  45. The Mutilation of the Father Revisited On the Son
    The thought of permanent loss of sensory function is so painful that men who have been circumcised often deny their loss in order to avoid facing the painful feelings. Circumcised males may experience a wide range of emotional dysfunction resulting from loss. This frequently results in circumcised fathers adamantly insisting that a son be circumcised and circumcised doctors recommending that their male patients be circumcised.

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  46. My thoughts on the matter are complicated, but this issue tends to attract fanatical bloggers getting hysterical on the issue. Here are my thoughts: There is good, randomized control trial evidence to back up the assertion that circumcision reduces female-to-male HIV transmission, in addition to many other studies and correlations. Other factors, such as multiple concurrent partnerships, STIs, etc. all affect transmission, but they are not the whole story. However, I also feel that such an alteration of the body should not be done when someone is too young to consent. It is not the same as female genital mutilation, which has no health benefits and which definitely reduces sensation, especially when the procedure is more drastic.

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  47. I haven’t seen conclusive evidence that male circumcision reduces sensation, but if it does so, it does it on a much more minor scale than female “circumcision”, which isn’t surprising as female circumcision is done to limit sensation, and females tend to have less power in many societies. Asking those who’ve undergone male circumcision, the circumcised men I know find sex pleasurable, and do not have problems with impotence. They find it easier to clean, and I’ve had relatives who were not circumcised who had to be in puberty due to foreskin tightening problems. For those that are screaming about Europeans having a lower HIV prevalence than Americans, if you look closer at the data, HIV prevalence is greater in populations with lower rates of circumcision.

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  48. Some states have opt-in circumcision while others have opt-out; “99% of American men are circumcised” is inaccurate. My tentative opinion of the matter is this: Voluntary Medical Male Circumcision is one part of HIV prevention. Voluntary is key, and there needs to be more research done on the safest procedures and adverse events. I believe that circumcision should not be offered to boys until they are at least fifteen years old and can give informed consent. Let African governments and scientists lead the way on this, and keep donor politicians out of it. There is no need to denigrate either circumcised or uncircumcised men, so let us not attach a stigma to either status. This is a sensitive cultural matter, and public health officials should design programs with that in mind.

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  49. This is another occupation, another Iraq, but African will not say anything , they are known to be yes people….those who stood against the colonial masters are all died those living are living dead. Let see how many Zambian Men will stand against this no sense.

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  50. Zambia is one of the very few African countries that do not practice male circumcision as a tradition. It is true that uncircumcised dicks are dirty and smelly because of the smegma. One tends to pity the women who sleep with uncirmcised men. All the smelly smegma is deposited in them. Sad indeed!!!!

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  51. I think that we must also tell the Americans that being gay is wrong. it is not just for them to be telling us to cut our skins off our penises while they are practicing an abominable activity in homosexuality. we are okay with our foreskins, and we do not accept same sex having sex. we keep our norms, and they keep theirs so that both societies are happy with what they have.

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  52. All male histeria above must start reasoning and go for MC so as to prevent HIV and HPV transmission leading to AIDS and cervical cancer respectively. By the way, I am married to a circumcised gentleman from North-westen Zambia and the nonsense about less sensitivity is absolutely rubbish. We have a set of twins, so go figure about fertility myth. Anyway, gentlemen go and have MC done as it is for your own good. Stop listening to rumour mongers with no imperical evidence. Just here in Africa, have you ever wondered why west Africa has less HIV prevalence rates compared to Sub Saharan southern Africa? It is because of MC! If you were married to me, you would stop getting some until you are ‘cut’. Drastic situations calls for drastic measures! VITENDENI VIMA SKIN CHABE!

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  53. My wife has never regretted my being circumcised. In-fact she pleads for me to ejaculate.Uncircumcised guys go for as less as a second during sex.

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    • How did you know that uncircumcised go for less than a second, YOU MUST BE GAY!!! Don’t live on stories but see it for yourself. Ejaculation has nothing to do with circumcision, it’s all about how you perform that matters.

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  54. MundiaM, fact that you have twins is no evidence that you both enjoy circumcised sex. Even a rapist can give you twins. If my wife told me to get circumcised before we have sex I will tell her to get circumcised herself since has more area in her genitals that are smelly, moist and attract viruses. Circumcision should be voluntary not imposed just because NGOs want to meet targets with the american money

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  55. ” Here are my thoughts: There is good, randomized control trial evidence to back up the assertion that circumcision reduces female-to-male HIV transmission, in addition to many other studies and correlations. ”

    This is completely the opposite of the facts. I have all the relevant articles on my blog. Google:

    “150 MPs to undergo circumcision” maravi
    “Were we fooled” maravi

    From the NewZimbabwe article, “150 MPs To Undergo Circumcision”:

    ” According to the latest Zimbabwe Health Demographic Survey 2010-2011, the HIV prevalence rate among circumcised males between the ages of 15 and 49 in Zimbabwe is higher than that of uncircumcised males. The prevalence rate among the circumcised is 14 percent while that of the uncircumcised is 12 percent. “

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  56. 60 MICHAEL ROLOFF,

    ” Making it a taboo to compare male with female sexual mutilation is the biggest scandal of the controversy. The imposition of control by the patriarchy. ”

    ” Also, unfortunately it is / has been circumcision that has MADE for no end of anti-semitic sentiments. ”

    I think there is a concerted global effort going on to divide gays against blacks, blacks v. muslims, now blacks v. jews. On some level, this is connected to the battle over Africa’s resources, and keeping Africa (and the West) divided.

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  57. Now a few Jewish individuals (i.e., ‘the Jews’ can be easily blamed for it) who are fanatical about circumcision created the scientific trials and have money made available to them to circumcise every child in Africa. There is nothing in Jewish religion that allows for that – unlike Christianity and Islam, they don’t recruit. Something else is going on here.

    I can’t get the Rockefeller connected (Trilateral Commission co-founder – check out their website) Zbigniew Brzezinksi’s book “The Grand Chessboard” out of my head when you look at what appear to be psy ops to fan the flames of ethnic hatred around the world, to balkanize the world outside of the France-Germany-Poland EU they he wants to see created.

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  58. This is also interesting, from a caller to a radio show, available on Youtube, who alleges outright fraud.

    (YOUTUBE) UN HIV Circumcision Study A Fraud – The Atheist Experience #603

    1) He said they got 1/3 way through the study, and their results were not favorable in their eyes. In other words, they determined that anyone who has smegma is less likely to contract HIV. That would be any man with foreskin and any woman with a labia. So apparently they stopped everything 1/3 of the way through the study, and switched the whole process. And what they did was basically take about 1000 uncircumcised Kenyans who were about 70% HIV positive, 1000 circumcised Kenyans who were 20% HIV positive and put them in a room.

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  59. 2) And when the European fact checkers came along, they said “Wow, 70% of the uncircumcised Kenyans are HIV positive.” OK so they took this to the UN, they took this to the World Health Organisation, which basically bought it up. They said basically the next day, the UN now advocates circumcising Africans.

    But the thing is, they never completed their study. They even admit that in their writings. They also said that it would be unethical for anyone to try to disprove them. It would be unethical. In other words, if you went to try to disprove them in East Africa and did a similar study, you would be scorned in the medical community.

    Well he told me there are 4 ways in which you can know that this is a lie.

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  60. 3) Number one, you look at the history. Every twenty years physicians come up with a new excuse for circumcision. And within a decade it is always disproven. HIV is the latest one. I would recommend that you guys don’t buy into this right away.

    Number two, they don’t want anyone else to do a similar study. That’s proof that they’re lying.

    Number three, most other legitimate medical organisations are contesting and challenging the WHO now. Like the American Academy of Pediatrics, which basically won’t put it in their yearly literature, saying it’s bs, and they don’t want it to be used as an excuse to circumcise American infants.

    And number four, the WHO said it so you have to question it.

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  61. 4) And you know I didn’t believe this at first, but when I googled

    hiv circumcision fraud
    hiv circumcision debunked

    there’s apparently a lot of doctors, there’s a lot of doctors in this study, a lot of them totally disagree with the findings.

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    Even the JAMA warns against giving credibility to studies that were ‘stopped short for benefit’.

    And the ‘60%’ protection. What they do (these are not the exact numbers) is have two groups of say 1500 subjects each, and in the uncircumcised group 64 people start testing positive, and the circumcised group 40 people start testing poisitive. And voila, 64/40 = 1.6, and circumcision protects against HIV infection by 60%.

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  62. some people are ignorant sure..MC is the best as it reduses cervical cancer and the chances of contracting HIV are low..even if u clean your foreskin 1000000000000 times a day..as long as you sweat,after a few minutes doti will accumulate there…some of us from NW province who are curcumsised didnt encounter any problems sexually..u will say its not a good thing and you can insult storella because you are still kids,u dont know anything about MC..and you wont know untill tikalize ngoma wen you grow up..

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  63. Continued…

    The difference looks huge, however the numbers were insignificant to begin with, and could have flipped if the survey was allowed to continue to conclusion. That is why the trials were ‘stopped early for benefit’.

    It was and is a fraud.

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