The opposition UPND in Southern Province has charged that God did not create a special tribe to rule Zambia.
UPND Livingstone District Spokesman Neto Habalwa told Journalists in Livingstone that there is no tribe in Zambia that is more special than others.
Mr. Habalwa argued that some political opponents rush to accusing the UPND of tribalism because they cannot compete with the party’s principles, ideologies and its vision for Zambia.
He said the tribal accusations are a cheap ploy by some politicians to demonize the UPND and reduce its chances of forming the next government.
Mr. Habalwa said the UPND realizes that its huge support in the Southern Province maybe misunderstood hence the decision to start penetrating other regions.
He said the senior party leadership is aware that to win a general election, the UPND needs to get votes from across the country.
Mr. Habalwa appealed to Zambians to be fair when judging the UPND and the Tongas in general using the tribal card.
He said it is a fact that Tongas are not tribal compared to other regions adding that Zambians should look beyond tribe when choosing their leaders.
Only a tribe created by lucifer believe they are more special than others.
Israel was more special than others, do you think they were created by Lucifer? Argue with intellect and not emotion.
not even tongas are a special tribe to rule zambia
are you sure of what you are saying bwana.
why is that when it comes to politics we ve to knw our tribes?
chachine bosses
Habalwa
Even amongst the Tonga themselves there the plateau ones, those from the valley, the Ila, the Toka-Leya( like Habalwa himself) etc. Even their posts in the bantustan party are streamlined accordingly. So nothing new here.
Zambian leaders are chosen through a democratic process. If UPND want us to abandon this process and adopt another in order to accommodate leaders from their province, let them suggest to the nation how Zambian presidents should be chosen. PF has MPs in CB, Central, Lusaka, Eastern, Western, not forgetting Luapula and northern provinces. How did they manage to do this? Why is UPND failing to have MPs in a number provinces? What strategy do UPND use? This statement has come abt bcoz they have seen that PF has penetrated North Western, meaning HH will never be president. Very Useless Party
Why is it that UPND always talks about tribalism when we want to work? Mr Ubwalwa, sela tubombeko! Its not time for trivial debates, move with the times and just work on your numbers and a more national representation. Mazako tried his best but U5 said only a Tonga could replace him. Now what do you make of that if that’s not tribalism? U even hounded out your tribal cousin Sakwiba!
Bwana Habalwala please ‘sela tubombeko’. Political parties gunner support from their strong holds. Even in the USA they talk about it about it but in hushed voices. The moment you come out in the open like you have done, to talk about 47%, numbers, publicly then you are as good as Romney, a big loser. Prove me wrong in Luapula.
bwafya. I would rather drink kachasu than making such a childish statement
Statements like this heading are misleading,am not Tonga but being an intellectual i wanted to vote for HH until he moved to cohabit with RB who we were trying to remove hence doubted his consistency with good governance and saw greed in him meanwhile his friend sata was busy and looking promising,Democracy is about how you arrange your facts promises and which numbers you command,for along time to come this is the method we are going to use to choose our president any other suggestions ba UPND? #5 , 6 & 7 your so accurate keep it up.
Stanyoko
lol
Well if you have a TRIBAL PARTY identity its up to you to fight that. And you have to fight VIGOROUSLY cos in politics a tag sticks hard
Indeed.
Mdala, leaders are chosen based on how much they campaign and how much they appeal to the voters. Just go flat out and pander to the aspirations of most Zambians, average Zambians. No one will give a chance if you will go about talking tribes, who is special and who is not. invent or come up with a lie that yopu shall build houses for every Zambian family within 180 days and you shall connect electricity to every household for free. Or that you be paying every youth K5m even nif they are not working. Just some simple message that will win the hearts of Luapulans, Muchingans, Northerners, CBens or Kopalas and Lusakans. This tribal conciousness is gonna do. Drop it and never mention it, but recruit them, Bembas, Ngonis in your ranks.
Gibberish
sorry folks. Too many mistakes in my post. …tribal concioussness is not gonna do. People are not nominated by tribes nor are they chosen based on tribal camps. Storngholds are there , just as we saw in the US as well. But you ought to win the hearts, or convince those of swing states or swing minds. Just look at Luapula for instance, go there and tell them that you are going to bring all of HH’s cattle to Luapula and employ them in the butcheries while kachemas will be machines. is it so difficult for you to be crying about tribes imwe ba guy…..?
LEKENI TUMWANGE UBUCHI …. JUST JOIN PF IF YOU WANT TO BE A PART OF THE RULING PARTY. VIVA PF!!!! WE ARE OUT TO ACCOMMODATE ANY WELL MEANING ZAMBIAN THAT WANTS TO BRING DEVELOPMENT TO ZAMBIA. BY THE WAY; PF IS THE SPECIAL TRIBE FOR NOW! AFTER ALL, IT HAS TONGAS, BEMBAS, LOZIS, EASTERNER…KAONDES….ETC AS ITS MEMBERS. SELA TUBOMBEKO!!!!
BA UPND ARE YOU EATING YOUR OWN VOMIT? MR HABALWA, IS IT A QUESTION OF YOUR SHORT MEMORY OR YOU SIMPLY DON’T KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON IN YOUR PARTY? IS IT NOT YOURSELVES AS UPND THAT ADVOCATED FOR ONLY-A-TONGA-TO-TAKE-OVER-MAZOKA POLITICAL STANCE? DON’T TEACH ZAMBIANS INCLUDING TONGAS ABOUT BEING UNTRIBAL. LET ZAMBIANS INCLUDING TONGAS TEACH UPND THE SIDE EFFECTS OF BEING TRIBAL. THE WORST PART FOR YOUR PARTY IS THAT ZAMBIANS CEASED TO TRUST UPND, HENCE THERE’S NO WAY ZAMBIANS WILL ELECT YOU IN OFFICE. AT LEAST NOT IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. ZAMBIANS ASSOCIATE OR THINK ABOUT UPND IN A TRIBAL CONTEXT.
Peeple please do not insult when answering my humble question. Just contribute fairly. QUESTION: IN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS, WHY DOES HH FAIR SO BADLY IN LUSAKA AND THE COPPERBELT? I say this becasue these places have the most educated Zambians and they are also the most diverse in terms of culture, religion, creed, tribe race. etc.
When UPND was formed it embraced all people of Zambia. Enter HH it became a tribe party. So UPND has to work hard to get the message across that all are welcome otherwise it will remain a southern province party and not for all the country.
even in the Bible,only selected tribe rulled and are rulling Israel !
Zambians,when are we going to stop thinking so low.We need leaders and not tribes mind you it is one Zambia, one nation ,one leader and that leader is the one chosen by people.It is not a business venture or otherwise where you must be talking about who is next in the line of leadership no.If you continue preaching such un progressive “good news” as per say ubo buwelewele all Zambians must just learn to net work as a people more especially if you want to be a president or a leader in any context.
BEMBAS are the most tribal oriented biggotis myself inclusive and Sata himself this can observed from the senseless appointment of bembas in most key positions it high time we stop this tribal cad Sata is a chief actecture of sowing seeds of tribal division and Hababwa it’s high time u stat seeing Zambia as one nation it doesn’t matter one. Tribe ruling u as long as they have the mandate from the people
FOOL!
UPND did not understand the political setup of Zambia…go on and form a Government without a Tribe you openly hate….my foot! Not in my time! Seleniko tubombeko bane
Reality. Get back to Mazoka findamentals. UPND diverted from those fimdamental in words and deeds. Very hard for you to get back to the Mazoka funamental. Your pride for whatever seems overriding in your ambitions. You can have all resources but wrong perceptions and above gtound semantics can, will or shall ruine your ambitions. Take not of your own perceptions and also those of others (parties and electorates). Can you imprpve your image by your current strategies and tacts or need some changes?
In absolute agreement. And yet, why did Mazoka fundamental die with him? It did seem to me that not even his wife, Mutinta, had an idea how to retain the valuable relic or even merely gain an appreciation of its worth!
Upnd had the presence in Southern,Central,Lusaka,Western and North Western Provinces.
Take a look today, Upnd is just confined to Southern province and has lost grip in all other province just like what happened to Anc under Nkumbula.
This is a sign of extiction from the political landscape of Zambia.
Tribe has nothing to do with political competition as Upnd percieves politics.
Its the brains,strategy and plan which win the election.
A politician who invests his hope in tribe to win an election is a hallucinator and has set grounds for continous rejection through the ballot.
Upnd is a reject for tribalism
But whats wrong with non bemba tribes? mmd was up for grabs and there was hope that a non bemba will scoop the presidence but alas a bemba pastor took it – Mazoka was near to the presidency but sickness ruled otherwise – Nkumbula was more educated than KK but with no national political influence – hh very rich and intelligent but politically shy to move out southern province – Miles sampa suggested intermariages and mixing tribes they cried for his head – the list is endless – why is it that non bemba tribes fail to perform politically at presidential level?????????why?????
Why??????????? Iwe Bwalya. Let them just mix freely and stop being conciouss of tribe. Kufipanga fye and you mingle freely. Be creative and invent a nice message to hoodwink the gullible voters. Tell them they shall have an egg a day, or more money in their pockets…kekekekeke.
Excellent question to ask and one worth pondering. However, allow me to turn it around and ask it this way: “What’s wrong with non-Bemba politicians?” None of the non-Bemba politicians, to this day, appear to be well cut-out for the terrain. Mazoka did win the presidency. Alas, he got out-winked by Chiluba, a Bemba, who was keen to hand-over the presidency on a silver-platter to Mwanawasa. By near divine providence, RB also got it on silver spoon from Mwanawasa but it got whisked away from him after only a brief three year tern of what was not a seriously failed presidency. Kaunda, Chiluba and now Sata, none of them endowed with either the brain power or basic education to have afforded them the advantage over their non-Bemba opponents. Why? ?What is wrong with the non-Bemba?
Mr. Habalwa your message is simple and clear, and it cannot be clearer than what you have told the nation. You are not citing anything from anywhere or whoever, which brings me to the next point, majority of these bloggers and a sizeable number of voters in Zambia are arguing against what you deem to be the truth and of which it is the truth. Their arguments are based on metaphors as meaning that they relate their arguments more than usual to similar events or more to preconceived ideas which are ingrained and it is difficult for these critics to depart from neutral grounds, thus they choose to pursue politics along tribal lines. The PF is in the forefront in projecting this stance. Habalwa you are clear, correct & UPND is for every Zambian, and everyone is welcome to join
Doom for you!
true as yo name THINK NOT !
your part cannot be imposed on us!!!! ati upnd is for every zambian!!!!kwii? ??? why did it fail lamentably???and it has been failing!!!!!
this habalwa is one tribal dude. ive never heard the other parties talk tribal the way upnd does crying foul. jobs are given on merit, not tribal. what ever sata does you see it tribal. sata sees a qualified person and appoint him/her but you see them as bemba, why? you have an uphill battle which you wont win. abash upnd and haolwa
Come on guys….we must be discussing electric and bullet trains now that we have Prof. Chirwa at ZRL. Not ati I am Tonga or Bemba. Those who can not garner enough political support can excel in another area, ya shani kekekekekekeke, awe mwe……….
# 23 you are in South Africa and as such we forgive your ignorance about UPND.
And you are in the US so you can’t be an authority on UPND.
true Habalwa..the bem,bas are the most kolwes..tribalistic *****s..
IWE BWALWA SELA TUBOMBEKO!YOUR THINKING IS WRAPPED!UPND HAS BEEN TURNED INTO A TONGA PARTY BECAUSE OF HH’S CONSTANT REFERENCE TO HIS TRIBE.WE ALL HEARD WHEN HE SAID”UPND IS ME AND IAM UPND,I WILL BE THE LAST TONGA STANDING”THIS STATEMENT IS POLITICAL SUICIDE,TOTAL NONSENSE.HH HAS FELD TO ACCEPT DEFEAT AND HE HAS DRAGGED UPND INTO BITTERNESS.BEMBAS ARE OUTGOING AND DONT MIND WHERE THEY LIVE,THIS IS WHY EVEN KAPONYAS HAVE ADOPTED BEMBA AS A THIER BUSINESS LANGUAGE.GET A LIFE MAN!!!
True, mmm. That is the way it is.
Zambian leaders need to do their research before making statement which are not correct. Zambia had only one bemba president and he is Sata. Kaunda was not a bemba, even if he grew up in northern province. Mwanawasa was lenje, RB from eastern and Chiluba was a lunda from luapula. I do not see any tribe dominating the presidency, UPND should man-up and start telling the truth for once. Too many alarming false statements will not win them sympathy from voters in other provinces.
Isn’t Sata Bisa? Truth be said, would it not be correct to argue that Sata is just as Bemba as he is Bisa? And might not the same argument be extended to Chiluba? Aren’t Lundas from Luapula just as Bemba as are the Bisas from Mpika? And if Sata who is Bisa and Chiluba who is Lunda are both Bembas, what is it that would make Kaunda, born and raised in Chinsali, not to qualify to be Bemba? Admittedly, that would be splitting hairs, most akin to saying that a Mbunda, born and raised in Mongu is not Lozi? The question is who is a Lozi and who is a Bemba? In my view, all the three, Kaunda, Chiluba and Sata are Bembas. That’s the reality.
Sata is not Bemba he is Bisa. The point is that Kaunda, Chiluba and Mwanawasa spoke Ichebemba because they grow up or rather worked in regions where Bemba is used as a language of communication. Zambia is a young and growing democracy which has had four people in the high office representing I guess only four tribes. We have 70plus tribal groupings some with minute numbers other with large ones. The spirit of One Zambia One Nation should be promoted not only as a motto but also as a way of life by all political parties. We have a Bisa President next we may have a Lozi, maybe then another Lenje, followed by a Tonga, then Kaonde, then a Tumbuka, then a Bemba, then a Namwanga, a Mbunda, a Nsenga and so on and so forth…So tell me about Tribe I will say…Tiyeni tikakumbe kandolo
Pa nsaka tapabula fibuba! Octopus Paul Bwalya and Think not are classic examples!
If bringing God into it then perhaps the Hebrew lot are the chosen tribe, haha.
I think the Prez is Bisa so not sure about the thought process. Quit thinking in tribes or colour for a start. Zambian is Zambian. Next we’ll fight over which blood type dominates :)
@ 27 sata is Bisa/Biza not Bemba. Ther has never been a Bemba president but Bemba speaking Presidents in FTJ and MCS
Does it mean that everyone who cry foul about the Bembas are all stupidos? you got me thinking, if there has never been a Bemba president but other tribes as you have listed, am guessing every zambian should know this, why the attack on the Bemba tribe for decades in the political life of Zambia? does this imply that all these making noise about tribalists Zambians in power are the worst empty tins ever? this should be cleared cos twanaka nabo bakabonge babula amano always crying foul, or does it mean that everyone is claiming to be Bemba apart from the Tongas and the Lozis? this must be rectified or else bonse fikopo!
Stop talking so brainlessly, you muppet!
F00l we see where you are coming from. You will have the same problems as in Rwanda. Fool
@Dada Man#25
We also forgive you in that you have allowed your cosmopolitan identity, that is your Americanised approach in seiving lies from facts. Insomuch as we are aware of flawed approaches from comrade HH of the UPND, mere ignorance on the part of the general public should be eliminated so as to make everyone aware that even the PF is also flawed just like any other party. Therefore, if our UPND leadership has made speeches which are biased against other tribes, those utterances should not be treated as a life sentence in the court of public opinion. We cannot afford to condemn UPND as a party which should be confined to Southern province because this very same party has a lot of members with divergent views and are also very innovative. Note that such aspects are necessary.
you comment is mature , thank you
I agree with Kantanshi
If Zambians have the right to choose a party they want to belong to, why can’t UPND understand that people have not chosen them for many reasons. Its scenical to judge everybody as being tribal just because they choose not to be UPND. We don’t want to be part of your part, it is our right to choose what we want. Is it hard to understand that?
@ 27 SK I reckon you are just being oblivious to reality. Isn’t Sata Bisa? Truth be said, would it not be correct to argue that Sata is just as Bemba as he is Bisa? And might not the same argument be extended to Chiluba? Aren’t Lundas from Luapula just as Bemba as are the Bisas from Mpika? And if Sata who is Bisa and Chiluba who is Lunda are both Bembas, what is it that would make Kaunda, born and raised in Chinsali, not to qualify to be Bemba? Admittedly, that would be splitting hairs, most akin to saying that a Mbunda, born and raised in Mongu is not Lozi? The question is who is a Lozi and who is a Bemba? In my view, all the three, Kaunda, Chiluba and Sata are Bembas. This reality may be too hard for you to accept.
its sad for you to see them as bemba and not democratically elected presidents. so what do you want the electoral commission to do? say now we want all of you to vote HHwho isnt bemba? thats democracy the majority wins. quit the tribal thing and get yourself a selable slogan like the 90days, donchi kubeba etc. pipo might take you serious and vote for your candidate. you are doing more damage by using the tribal stratergy to win pipos sympathy. UPND/HH will always lose the elections
You want to group them as one so you can probably take a poke shot at them more easily. Through the questions you pose I can see how you are being troubled with accepting that the ‘truth’ you have created is actually false. The people in Luapula do not answer to Chitimukulu the Bemba King(or Chief whatever you want to call him) in any way. They have their own Kings. The Bisa and Biza also dont answer to Chitimukulu cos they have their own Kings. When you bring in Kaunda I will tell you that Iam a Ngoni who grew up on the Copperbelt and therefore speak more Bemba than Ngoni. Are you saying Iam Bemba? or Lamba? Awe nakana mukwai ba Mei
We urge all our fellow brothers and sisters where ever they may be to embrace tolerance of divergent views and to use their clear consciousnesses when making responsible decisions about their views which they hold towards UPND. Let us approach everything in the political arena with our collective consciousnesses and do away with hearsay and uncritical general views held by biased political opponents of the UPND. Our greatest enemy is our inability to wash our empty shells and to fill them with unbiased visions which are designed to develop the nation across its wideth and length. We allow ourselves in the crime of continued subjugation and all that we are doing is turning this subjugation inwards against ourselves in lieu of fighting this distress caused by few selfish entities.
@ Think not, the way you have explained your argument here, is what should be embraced by UPND, if they can break it out to the people of Zambia the way you have done it, believe me you will start getting more people. Zambian people need just to be told what your agenda is, leave Bembas, Lozis, Tongas out of your vocabulary, preach unity; leave politics of personal and tribal attacking even if PF is doing it, ignore them, its called manifestation of political maturity, people eventually will see what UNDP is about, then you will start regaining political fortunes, it might not come now, but make it your long term strategem. Every politician should have a strategem and thats what UPND Lacks now. Thats my advice.
Two regions are tribal in Zambia, namely northern province and eastern followed by luapula. UPND is 100% a peoples party thus is a big threat the murderers and plunderers.
ki ki ki ke ke ke! Clive Chirwa is not from ruling tribe. vote for him then you can have a magnetic levitation train. Monze to Lusaka in 30 minutes.
Clive Mulubwa Chirwa. Ask him about his parentage. You will be shocked out of your socks. Zambia’s demographics has changed but our mindsets are still stuck in the 60s…
The mazoka massacre #35 There you go again. I am from Luapula and I can assure you we are a very accommodating people. You will never here our people talking ill of outsiders residing in our province. This is very common in Southern Province where Bemba speaking people are often threatened with expulsions. Infact we have a chief whose father is Tonga who succeeded to the throne because our tradition recognises only children born from a woman. This cannot happen in Southern province. My advice to UPND is to tone down and convince the Zambians to vote for you.
33 @Mei Matungu- Simple arithmetic is that win CB and Lusaka you are home and dry. Forget Bisa, Lunda etc. Just work hard. Sata worked for 10 years convincing people to vote for his PF.
Probably the secret is in your words: “Just work hard.” Otherwise, even “simple arithmetic” can be as hard as calculus to power-hungry politicians who are more apt to get lured by dead-end short-cuts.
Childish statement indeed. Please UPND guys you have lost it coz you like always coming against one tribe Bemba. You think by demonizing the Bemba tribe then all other tribes will feel sympathy so they aline with you (UPND), but this is a miscalculation in that people get distanced farther from you (UPND). For a change, when making political statement dont mention the word TRIBE, may be this will help to clear your party of tribalism that was created by your folly when you said ONLY A TONGA CAN TAKE OVER FROM MAZOKA. You will ever die with this tribal tag .
Peace and Prosperity to Mother Zambia.
I wish UPND can get the sense of what you are saying. I have always advocated that UPND are their own undoing after they adopted a non-working philosophy following the death of Anderson Mazoka. I further would underscore your observation that focussing on the Bembas is not a winning strategy for UPND. Their ill-fated rationale as I see it, is that since Tonga is as gigantic a tribe as Bemba, UPND can also make it on a Tonga ticket the way PF has made it on a Bemba ticket. Alternatively, if Bemba tribalism can work so can Tonga tribalism. This is nonsensical. Simply abandon tribalism altogether. This was the Mazoka strategy and it worked.
## 36, The Tonga chief in Luapula is Chief Chisuka a thing which cant happen in southern province having a Bemba chief. So, you guys in UPND just be flexible in the way you associate with other tribes, dont be only Tonga -inclined. Otherwise you will continue ruling southern province.
Peace and Prosperity to Mother Zambia.
Let educate you Habalwa (your name sounds like beer)… while you are busy politicking and abusing innocents, the Bembas are busy excelling in all areas – yes, even those you accuse them of being notorious at. For a long time Kaunda excluded the Bembas in favor of his in-laws, the Easterners and Malawians. The Bembas quietly went on to root themselves in other areas of endeavor. That is why you will find Bemba being spoken by non-Bembas on the streets of Jozi, in Lilongwe, in London – everywhere. Now that you are feeling their weight in the areas you thought were not important you think they are in State House. You ain’t seen them yet! SELAKO BABOMBEKO!!!
Truth hates #39- I didnt want mention the name but thanks. Actually I am connected to the chietanancy except we are from the male side so we are excluded. Point is we are a very friendly people . Even Malawians who came for fish some years ago are now part of us. All HH needs is shed off the tribal mark like Sata did. Sata was never popular in Luapula but after making frequent visits he won us over.
Sata is not Bemba he is Bisa. The point is that Kaunda, Chiluba and Mwanawasa spoke Ichebemba because they grow up or rather worked in regions where Bemba is used as a language of communication. Zambia is a young and growing democracy which has had four people in the high office representing I guess only four tribes. We have 70plus tribal groupings some with minute numbers other with large ones. The spirit of One Zambia One Nation should be promoted not only as a motto but also as a way of life by all political parties. We have a Bisa President next we may have a Lozi, maybe then another Lenje, followed by a Tonga, then Kaonde, then a Tumbuka, then a Bemba, then a Namwanga, a Mbunda, a Nsenga and so on and so forth…So tell me about Tribe I will say…Tiyeni tikakumbe kandolo
In 2001 when UPND did well in 5 Provinces under the arguably non-tribal Mazoka, WHY did the predominantly Bemba regions of Copperbelt, Luapula and Northern vote so low for him???
That is the time when I became convinced of the Bemba’s tribalism and extreme hatred against the Tongas. Of course Easterners were out of touch with reality and Eastern Province had been a UNIP stronghold.
There you go….I think you guys are very much enshrined in tribalism. If so, then do you think the tribe you hate to the bones can vote for you??? Nope, thats why I say UPND will ever rule southern province period.
This is why zambia needs the swahili languauge like Tanzania.Once somebody says to you they belong to th swahili tribe it becomes very hard to pin them down with tribal bigotry since they appear very neutral.In zed we see everybody thru the tribal prism and we can learn about creating a tension-free,non tribal society from our east african brothers.
Wabeja basa! talk about the Chaga in Tanzania, bosses bakali same same naba Bemba they control everything, polical, social, economy, umuchaga nga akupokela umwaume nishi kwapwa, kwata, labako, in business they are bad boi ask me i know all about Tanzania, only Tanzanians are not as vocal as Zambians are in such issues, ne sukulu lyalilundapo, ifingi nashako, next time humans are racists in all forms, tribalists whtatever, some tribes are more ilportants than others, thats just the way it is, and shall will ever be, so lets just accept, not nomubemba ni ziiii….. ok.
#17 WELL SAID. IN FACT EVEN IN REAL CORPORATE OR PRIVATE LTD COMPANIES, THE NEXT CEO IS ELECTIVE AMONGST THE DIRECTORS OF THE COMPANY REGARDLESS OF TRIBE. EVEN DURING HIRE OF EMPLOYEES THE COMPANY HIRES QUALIFIED EMPLOYEES AND NOT ‘QUALIFIED TRIBE(S). I WOULD ADVICE PEOPLE WHO JOIN POLITICAL PARTIES TO JOIN BASING THEIR CRITERIA ON PRINCIPALS, BELIEFS AND VALUES OF THE PARTY AND NOT THE TRIBE OF THE LEADER OF THAT PARTY. FOR UPND- THIS IS HOW IT USED TO BE IN MAZOKA’S TIME. TODAY HH HAS TRIBALISED THE PARTY.
@Kalok#47
You are accentuating the Bembanisation revolution to an extent that whatever respect was left for your sort has been forced out in the other continuum of this argument. I am an academic and a proud person of Tonga ancestry. I have worked in different parts of the globe and frequently travel alot on account of the nature of my profession. Still linked to beforesaid statement I wish not to extend my apologies for disclosing that Bemba is not spoken on the streets of Johannesburg or London by so many people except a few visiting Bembas arguing or conversing about their own daily issues. This fact qualifies you as a liar who would stop at nothing when armed with the desire to lie so as to satisfy your unjustified anger directed at Tongas.Most Tongas are educated and hardworkers
Always its Tonga is most educated tribe, Tonga is most hardworking and finally Tonga is most failed in elections for plot one. Why not for once stop this tribal boast…shaaa.
You travel on duty so you never see what I have witnessed. It is a big statement to say someone is lying – a bigger one yet to imply this assertion is against a tribe. While the subject matter comes from one Habalwa hailing from Tonga-land, my example went nowhere near there. If you examine my statement it was a historical fact that tapped from the Kaunda days. Academics can sometimes be insulating… you gotta admit that, sir.
You do sound learned all right. Why not help mother Zambia craft a more ideal constitution that will help balance things out in the political arena?
Good evening
Why not talk about the development of Zambia and the empowerment of Zambians in general instead of issuing such hypothetical statements, Mr. Habalwa?
Everyone is born with individual talents and capabilities. It is not ethnic identity or tribe but personal virtue that makes the difference.
Mr Hamalwa, just come up with a simple and appealing slogan like “sela tubombepo”, “dont ku beba” and good promise to the people. Andy Mazoka appealed to all Zambians. HH and his henchmen appeal to dogs.
Mr Hamalwa is right. Bembas and Tongas also want lead. Sata is Bisa, Chiluba was Lunda, Kaunda is Tumbuka. What is the issue here?
Who has contacts for the Fundraising for the deceased student in Czech rep? You people don’t really care.
Big Man,,
You keep hitting the high mark with your comments(from the bottom). All of us online have read the article about the fundraising for the deceased. If you really wanted or had the capacity to donate you would have called UPND and confirmed the account details which are in the article. From your statement we can all articulate that you have read it from the watchdog as you have made indirect reference to it. You dont need attention sir but just act if you can.
Thanks
Ya ileumfwika bwino ati sela tubombeko.lol
Hahahah ati Sela tubombeko…iliko bad .
Peace and Prosperity to Mother Zambia
Mr Hubwalwa !!!!!
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#39 Mei
If Chiluba was a Bemba chief who can prefer Mwanawasa, a non-Bemba, as Chief of Zambia, how do u associate Bemba with tribalism?
Are “Chiluba” and “Bemba” synonymous? Or are you not aware of what Michael Sata did for being by-passed by Chiluba in his preference for Mwanawasa, a non-Bemba? Or why did Kapwepwe break ranks with Kaunda to form UPP? The fact of the matter is that you do have Bemba moderates like Chiluba and Kaunda and Bemba extremists like Sata and Kapwepwe. On the whole, Bembas are tribal.
Lets just accept that some tribes are just born to dominate others.The Hindus dominate India,the Tutsi dominate Rwandan life,the Shona dominate Zim and the kikuyu dominate kenya politically and economically and they’re soundly resented for that double fisted grip on the nation-state of kenya.The Bembanistion of zed is no different from the above examples.
Have you forgotten that there was a genocide in Rwanda and a similar one in Kenya? How about the Gukuraudi massacres in Zimbabwe? Isn’t that one of the reasons Bob wants to cling on to power for dear life?
Mazoka did so well when he stood as a Presidential Candidate. Mazoka had a bemba vice President by the name of Patrick Chisanga, Lozi -sakwiba, Mambwe- Bob Sichinga . His party included people from different tribes. Now if you look at the current UPND. President Tonga, VIce Tonga, Management committee all tongas. Tell me who is not Tonga. MPs all Tongas from Tonga Land. Sata lost drastically in all the provinces including Bembaland where he hails from. It is just the way Sata did when he realized that Politics in Zambia was all about winning swing Provinces like CB, Lusaka and Northern that includes Luapula Province. HH should do the same if he wants to be President. By the way does anyone has a record of when HH visited Northern Province or compaigned from there?
NO ONE DOES. INFACT HE FEARS EVEN TO FIELD CANDIDATES FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT BYE ELECTIONS IN THESE PROVINCES.
When did Luapula become a “swing” province?
Last year. Sata worked hard in Luapula through kennedy Sakeni. Katele was the Pillar for MMD in Luapula. Things are changing and i know soon there will be a wind of change in Zambia. Zambians are becoming knowledgeable and doing away with old Politics.
@63. Hindus are not a tribe. Hinduism is a religion. The Prime Minister of India is a Sikh. The President who left office early this year was a Moslem. The successor is a Hindi. Hinduism is practiced amongst various ethnicities in India. It is the majority religion. The Barratiya Janata Party is organised around the Hindu religion. It held power in the 1990s but people avoid it now as they find it extremist.
Hindus are tribe,they speak Hindi and practice hinduism as a religion.Other big tribes of India are Gujaratis,Bengalis,Punjabis,Sanskrit,Maithili and Kashmiris.
Hinduism started off as a tribe although nowadays you can be Hindu without being of that ethnic group. In Africa and Asia there was no division between religion and ethnicity. Religion wasn’t something you practised on a certain day. It was an instrinsic way of life. Its the European cultures that brought about the scenario of a religion separated from ethnicity
Calling people from one tribe as thieves is a very disrespective stance. By teaching children, relatives and clans that one tribe is of thieves is a calamity of thinking. This stance has made that tribe’s people to naturally fend off that offence for ever and ever. It will take a very long time like the Israël and Palestine wars.
Are you suggesting the use of a more politically palatable term, and not “thieves”? I thought this was all due to a reputation they have built over the years, as in “na tola fye?”
loads of coments on tribal issues whay can’t i chaps be like Eygptians or Americans who stand and fight for matters affecting them thand this bitching.
loads of coments on tribal issues whay can’t u chaps be like Eygptians or Americans who stand and fight for matters affecting them thand this bitching.
Well, Mr. Habalwa, does the UPND have a councillors let alone an MP in any of the following provinces?? Coperbelt,Northern, Muchinga, Luapula and even Eastern Province??? If you dont have parliamentary representation in the five out of ten provinces and even your presence in Central, North Western and Western is neglible concentrating only in Southern Province, how else do you want people to characterise you??? In addition, how on earth do you really expect to win a Presidential election. We are a democracy where votes for the President will have to be won on competition for ideas in a democratic market place and am not sure we ready to adopt a Bantustan tribal rotating system for the sake of it!! Stop insulting other tribes, go campaign and convince them and transform your leadership!!
UPND needs to shed off the tribal tag. Pronouncements that only a Tonga must be it’s president is political suicide. The party organisation structure is composed of Tongas at the apex of the chart. It’s more popular in Southern province. It’s president actively campaigns only in Southern province. How do you win national elections if you employ this regional strategy? The joke is that these guys turn around and declare they are not really tribal in-spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. If you aren’t popular in at least 5 swing provinces, Lusaka, North, Luapula, CB and Central, you are politically dead.
I appreciate this open and frank talk. Let the UPND come out in the open and have it’s linen washed in public in defence of its record.
Think not #53, it appears you travel on duty so you never see what I have witnessed. It is a big statement to say someone is lying – a bigger one yet to imply this assertion is against a tribe. While the subject matter comes from one Habalwa hailing from Tonga-land, my example went nowhere near there. If you examine my statement #47, it was a historical fact that tapped from the Kaunda days. Academics can sometimes be insulating… you gotta admit that, sir. I have travelled on commerce and at leisure and most of what I relate are experiential from the ground and not from duty-travel that can sometimes be like an organized tour avoiding factual evidence.
Ba UPND tribalism yalipitilila sana! As long as you have HH for presidence, forget about about UPND forming government. HH ascended to UPND presidency on tribal campaigns and tag. Remove HH
The mazoka masaccre # 42, Those are the tactics that failed to get Romney to the White House…
Enka Rasha # 64, interesting point. There is also a note to raise on the “Bembanisation” matter. There has been no coercion of any sort for people to adopt the language. If you look at the other side, there is actually active exclusion (I was consistently discriminated against in some Western bloc on account that I could not and should not speak their language)… Some things are resolved by a simple shift in mindset and attitude. Two simple gestures that terrify people facing change in my view…
Actually God created a tribe to rule- then it was Israel. Among the many other things you know not about God is that he took tribes to battle and sided with some over others and that he allowed man to practice polygamy for a considerable length of time.
Awe champonya pamusao! That shows you that God is a creation of man. That is why he is so flawed in their narrations of him. How can God take sides? If you listen to the Moslems God still allows polygamy
LISTEN AND LISTEN TO ME CAREFULLY, INE PAMONGA MWINE LUBEMBA, ZAMBIA AS A COUNTRY HAS NEVER HAD A BEMBA PRESIDENT, OUR FIRST PRESIDENT DR KENNETH KAUNDA WAS NOT A BEMBA BUT A SON OF DAVID KAUNDA A MISSIONARY FROM MALAWI WHO SETTLED IN CHINSALI,THE SECOND PRESIDENT DR TITUS MPUNDU CHILUBA FREDRIC WAS A LUNDA ORIGINARY FROM MWATAYMVO THEN MWATA KAZEMBE HENCE MORE RELATED TO THE LUNDA PEOPLE FROM NORTH WESTERN ZAMBIA, I CAN NOT TALK ABOUT RB, WE ALL KNOW, OUR CURRENT PRESIDENT, HIS EXALLENCY, MICHEAL CHILUFYA SATA IS NOT A BEMBA, BUT A BISA BY TRIBE, THIS IS JUST A BEMBA RELATED TRIBE.HISTORY,THESE WHERE BEMBA SLAVES. THEY WHERE THE ONES PROVIDING GOOD WEED (IBANGE) FOR THE CHITIMUKULU TO SMOKE.
Let provinces be assigned electoral votes
Zoonest says-Ba Hamalwa ba bwala sana to hell with his tribal United Party for National Developmnt us call it Useless People No Development
UPND must understand democracy. It is by numbers.
UPNIP, MMD and PF have been in power because they won by majority.
Do not jump to tribalism. Work on democracy by winning the majority vote! it is simple.
UPND should work on convincing Luapula, Northern , Muchinga, Eastern and central provinces that they are capable of ruling Zambia. Southern province alone will not give them the mandate to rule. Numbers Numbers Numbers. Majority rules not tribes.
@Katongo you are right. UPND have no strategy to win elections and govern Zambia. Get into the provinces mentioned by KATONGO.
1. Move lots of Tong men in these provinces , produce children as many as you can .your tonga numbers will increase and you will win the elections in 2025.
Iwe Mwine Lubemba #77 Didn’t the Bisa emanate from one of you Bemba offspring’s royalty Nkolemfumu or something?
To Mei @ 40 You want to group them as one so you can probably take a poke shot at them more easily. Through the questions you pose I can see how you are finding it hard to accept that the ‘truth’ you have created is actually false. The people in Luapula do not in any way answer to Chitimukulu the Bemba King(or Chief whatever you want to call him) . They have their own Kings. The Bisa and Biza also dont answer to Chitimukulu cos they have their own Kings. When you bring in Kaunda I will tell you that Iam a Ngoni who grew up on the Copperbelt and therefore speak more Bemba than Ngoni. Are you saying Iam Bemba? or Lamba? Awe nakana mukwai ba Mei
The truth of the matter is that UPND mislead itself that there are a lot of Tongas in Zambia and as such by using Tribe they could get into State House. Now that the tribe formular has failed they are crying the loudest. Get this facts guys only Bembas can use Tribe as a tramp card becuase they are many, mainly because any one from Kabwe going northwards believes he or she is Bemba. If given a chance a lot of Tongas could want to change. On the other hand Bembas will still want to be BEmbas This is a fact of life.
Mr habalwa you your self and your presdo u are all trabalists. Remember when true tonga bull Mazoka may his soul rest in peace died who was suppose to be UPND presdo ? answer is Sakwiba Sikota. But tongas said no tonga as upnd presdo no upnd remember this saying which had a high trabalist tag chasing away all the other tribes and what has changed to day? Please tongas appologise to other tribes and open up
@truth not, ati most tongas are educated, this was your statement and you call yourself an academic. wen I did my bachelors in economics and statistics and did my msc in econometrics I never came across a tonga who posed as a challenge. All I remember was tongas moving in groups at unza and most if not all of them were at school of education. Is it the caliber of austin mboozi