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VJ doubts PF- MMD merger can be realized

General News VJ doubts PF- MMD merger can be realized

Edgar Lungu and Vernon Mwaanga
Edgar Lungu and Vernon Mwaanga

Veteran politician Vernon Mwaanga has described the hinted possible merger of the ruling PF and opposition MMD as being an over statement.

Dr. Mwaanga does not think any merger between the two political parties can be possible with the current state of the MMD which appears to have three wings as was evidenced during the January 20th 2015 presidential election.

He says the decision for the MMD to merge with the ruling PF cannot be made by just one person or a small group of people without extensive consultations being involved.

In an interview with Qfm News Dr. Mwaanga has observed that if there is going to be a merger of such a kind it will require major decisions to be made by appropriate organs of the former ruling party for such a decision to be taken.

Dr. Mwaanga notes that this is why he wonders which faction of the MMD the ruling PF is said to be in consultations with.

Asked what would be the impact on the country’s political landscape if the MMD and the ruling PF merged, Dr. Mwaanga has declined to speculate.

37 COMMENTS

  1. Dr. Mwaanga does not think any merger between the two political parties can be possible with the current state of the MMD which appears to have three wings.

    who cares about the so called three wings..let each wing find a party to merger with. infact no one likes the Zambia political ARENA with ama political parties IZAMDA. KUWAYAWAYA FYE.!!!! ATI DEMOCRACY???

    • M or A? MMD is in a fractious state without a center of power. Its current state makes it impossible to realize benefits of institutional realignment that would invoke a base shift. I consider this announcement as hasty and idealistic to say the least. Whoever is leading the bargaining talks on the side of the MMD must be re-analyzed if he or she really commands the respect and support of a wider institutional membership at the base of the pyramid? PF got to be very careful because they may just find themselves bargaining with individuals who have zero support of the party. Such political merchants are many and may just be a very simplistic lone wolfs chasing for positions with zero dividends to PF. Such would not offer any seismic shift in favor of PF. MMD is not RP or NCC.

    • Joining forces in order to rescue our fledgling democracy and the nation in a dangerous state of polarization is a democratic and progressive option as long as it is not done on the basis of just embracing a narrow fractured group of ethnic and sometimes religious bigots whose main intention is to secure themselves jobs at the expense of their bigger than them institutional membership’s interest. Doing so risks a situation of dissatisfaction in both PF and MMD where the majority may remain unperturbed and resolved in realigning themselves. This may be in the opposing direction against those merchants considered detractors and behind distractions. Any decision by the PF should never ignore the main cleavages in the Zambia’s current over growing division between and among tribes.

    • That will be the Fall of PF. I think we have forgotten that People Voted for PF to get MMD out of power.

      If PF becomes MMD then whats the solution?? UPND.. So Lungu has to be smart else he will be out of Office come 2016.

    • THIS IS AN UNDERGROUND MOVE USED BY EDGAR CHAKOLWA CHAGWA KALE LUNGU TO STEAL PF TO CHIPATA. PF HAS GONE TO CHIPATA! BEMBAS HAVE LOST PF TO EASTERN PROVINCE, THAT’S WHY IT IS NOW MIXED WITH MMD, ALSO GRABBED BY EASTERNERS. UPND IS THE ONLY PARTY FOR ALL ZAMBIANS. COME ON EVERYBODY, JOIN UPND AND MOVE ZAMBIA FORWARD.

  2. In zambia we only had 3 people who were borne politicians and these are-VJ,FTJ and Sata.the rest are man made politicians.coming to this merger,this is the worst insults to PF who worked hard to unseat MMD few years ago.infact in accounts we call this take over.MMD got 15000 votes while PF got atleast 800000 votes.can sure this be a merger?after this take over PF/bembers will disappear and only MMD will be visible.this could be the first time in world history to see the former rulling party being taken over by the party that unsat it.

    • This is PF strategy to remain in power for good like ZANU-PF. Can’t Zambians see the dictatorship lessons EL is taking from his ‘school’?

  3. twenty first century politics is highly dynamic and persons with static minds and theories will only be surprised as what is happening. its high time zambia took a different step in shaping the political system in the country. in order for the 50 +1 to be realised we need to reduce on the participants. we only need two opposition parties at any given time to be providing chechs and balances not what we see today. vj should just encourage these mergers because they mean well for our political system and growing democracy.

  4. MMD is in a fractious state without a center of power. Its current state makes it impossible to realize benefits of institutional realignment that would invoke a base shift. I consider this announcement as hasty and idealistic to say the least. Whoever is leading the bargaining talks on the side of the MMD must be re-analyzed if he or she really commands the respect and support of a wider institutional membership at the base of the pyramid? PF got to be very careful because they may just find themselves bargaining with individuals who have zero support of the party. Such political merchants are many and may just be a very simplistic lone wolfs chasing for positions with zero dividends to PF. Such would not offer any seismic shift in favor of PF. MMD is not RP or NCC. All the best.

    • yes VJ knows once the merger takes root that will be the end of UPND and the ruling of PF for the next twente years.

  5. Misuse of terminology. How can Shorprite Checkers merge with a ka grocery in Misisi Compound? If Shoprite are interested in a ke temba in Misisi, they would just buy it out rightly.

  6. This will not be a merger . It is PF taking over the MMD shell. The Bemba block in MMD will go along with their eastern allies running PF. The pragmatic MMD outsiders who supported HH in the recent by-election will join UPND. That’s it. MMD will be dead and gone, worse than UNIP which still exists in name only.

  7. If PF can be absorbed by MMD tribalism will vanish and the Zambian people will enjoy peace, that peace they used to enjoy during UNIP, MMD and UNPD .

  8. PF is a Bemba party which has now been taken over by RB and easterners. The Bembas in PF are not happy and are scheming to take over their party back under the control of the north. RB is trying to outsmart them by diluting it so that it losses it’s original identity and become something else_ stollen property.

  9. That is the fear of VJ. HH is killed forever.
    All those against the merger know that HH is finished.
    VJ just encourage UPND and Rainbow to merge.
    Mmembe is busy promoting a BID Rainbow. Who cares

  10. I KNOW THE MAJORITY BEMBAS CANNOT SUPPORT A TONGA PRESIDENT,THIS IS SIMPLY TRIBALISM, I HEARD A GROUP OF BEMBAS IN A BUS TALKING ABOUT HH THAT HE IS GOING TO CRY EVEN IN 2016 ELECTIONS. I REALIZED HOW DEEP THIS HATRED BETWEEN TONGAS N BEMBAS IS. BEMBAS WILL DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO BLOCK ANY TONGA BECOMING PRESIDENT OF THIS COUNTRY. THE NORTHERNERS AND THEIR TRIBAL COUSINS IN EASTERN BLOCK HAVE DECIDED TO BE TAKING TURNS AT THE PRESIDENCY OF THIS COUNTRY.

  11. BEMBAS ARE NOT CONSIDERING A TONGA PRESIDENT,2016 IT WILL BE EDGAR LUNGU AND NOT HH,WHETHER LUNGU PERFORMS OR NOT THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE .THE ISSUE IS SIMPLY NOT TO ALLOW A TONGA TO BE PRESIDENT,ATI A BA TONGA BALAYUMFWA SANA. SO THIS IS SIMPLY PUNISHING TONGAS,,FOR KU YUMFWA KWABO. SO HH JUST FORGET THAT BEMBAS CAN SUPPORT YOU. THIS IS THE REASON FOR MMD N PF MERGER ,IT IS TO BLOCK A TONGA PRESIDENT HH,PERIOD.

  12. THERE ARE VERY FEW BEMBAS WHO WOULD TALK ANYTHING GOOD ABOUT A TONGA,EXCEPT A DEAD TONGA. TODAY YOU HEAR BEMBAS TALK ABOUT HOW GOOD THE DEAD ANDERSON MAZOKA WAS AND YET THE SAME BEMBAS STOLE MAZOKA’S VOTE IN 2006 ELECTION. SO A GOOD TONGA TO BEMBAS IS A DEAD ONE. LOOK AT THE WAY THEY VOTE IN LUAPULA,NORTHERN,MUCHINGA,CENTRAL,COPPERBELT IT IS CLEAR THAT A TONGA CANNOT MANAGE TO WIN. THE 2015 ELECTION THREATENED THEM AND 2016 THEY ARE COMING WITH A KILL PATCH AGAINST HH,A TONGA PRESIDENT. ATI A BA TONGA BALIKWATA A KA PATULULA.

  13. @JL
    THAT IS WHAT AM TALKING ABOUT THE PROPOSED MERGER IS NOTHING BUT SIMPLY A CARTEL OF BEMBAS AND THE EASTERNERS TO BLOCK ANY TONGA OR SOUTHERNER FROM BECOMING PRESIDENT OF THIS COUNTRY. THIS IS HOW BEMBAS ARE USING THEIR NUMBERS TO BLOCK ANY TRIBE THEY DON’T LIKE TO ASCEND TO POWER. I HAVE NO DOUBT JL IS A BEMBA AND THIS A TYPICA OF BEMBA THINKING. I HOPE ONE THEY KNOW THAT THIS KIND OF THINKING IS DANGEROUS BECAUSE OTHER TRIBES MAY REACT IN AWAY TO SURVIVE THIS DISCRIMI

  14. It’s the only way to say thank you to RB by merging MMD with PF and thereby “hopefully” win the 2016 elections by a larger margin. ECL has been told that with the help of RB in the just ended bye elections, PF would have surely lost, so he has believed it and he is in a hurry to do something lest he loses power! If PF is strong, why merge with a seemingly weak, fragmented MMD party? I am aware that by end of 2015 or early 2016, the PF Veep will be from MMD so as to strengthen the merger. SG Chama has been indirectly hinting that should merger happen, ECL should not be subjected to party elections, only central committee….so what is in it for MMD really? To whose benefit is the merger PF or MMD members or is it their top leadership to benefit only? There’s more than we can read…

  15. I Feel sorry for PF appointees who have been forewarned that if you don’t follow ECL’s commands then “get out and leave”. There cometh a day when ECL and Chama will announce the merger and those who will object will be reminded to “get out or leave”……that warning was not from without. Wake up so called “PF founders”. All of you are just quiet and scared..2 parties with different ideologies, manifestos and structures to just fuse in like that? Without consultation of so called senior party officials who are scared to get out or leave? When you ate called job seekers, you call it malice. Where are your principles, values, ethics or morals..your manifesto or constitution? STill SCARED ka?

  16. PF must be discussing with the legitimate leader of MMD, and there is none at the moment. So is PF merging with a shell?
    PF must be careful otherwise they will be importing total chaos with very little time to mobilise and campaign before 2016. Surely PF wants to learn from last by election where they nearly lost because they spent 60 out of 90 days quarreling instead of campaigning.
    If PF is serious about merging with MMD first ask them to put their house in order. We don’t want to give another chance to HH this time, he has proved himself not to be the leader Zambia was looking for. H.E. Edgar is doing just fine.

  17. What you should realize is the fact that there are two factions in Pf. There is pf cartel and these are the plunderers which now defecting to for rainbow party . the other group of Pf is the one lead by Edgar and mean well for the Zambian resources. The merging of Pf and mmd means well coz the gap which the plunderers are leaving will be filled up by mmd to say the least.

  18. VJ just wants MMD to join his tribesman, HH. When he jumped up to support his tribal inclinations, he never said MMD cld not merge with HH. Now that the bigger & stronger of the 3 factions carried the day when they worked with PF he is still trying to mislead pipo. The truth of the matter is this:- MMD is finished. The 3 factions talked about will be swallowed, the bigger 1 by the party with a Govt purse. the other 1 by HH (as is VJ’s wish), and the other will either remain in oblivion or will hand itself to the highest bidder. That it. VJ just take care of yo failing health. Yo HH group was pointing fingers at others health, instead of just looking around them

  19. VJ is just scared of mighty PF!!he knows very well that if majority MMD go to PF,his tribal leader HH will have no chance,hence the panic!!!Mighty PF cant merge with MMD but just absorb it.JUST PREPARE FOR COLOPA.COM IN 2016!!!GO PF GO!!!

  20. Indeed Bwana Mwaanga your priority at this critical moment in your life should be your health. You don’t look healthy at all. Try some rest.

  21. PF + MMD = Patriotic Movement of Multi-Front Devourers built on and driven by stolen opposition party’s ideologies and vision

  22. Dr.Mwaanga? Doctor in what- Mandrax dealing? Anyway the truth is that MMD is finished. Let Mumba and his cohorts (including even Muhabi Lungu) join PF and Mutati, Pande, Musokotwane join UPND, simple solution!!

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