Paramount Chief Chitimukulu Kanyanta Manga has said that he did not issue the statement that was released to the media quoting him as telling Patriotic Front Secretary general Davies Chama not to destroy the lovely relationships with the Tongas.
In a statement to Lusaka Times, Chief Chitimukulu described the article as total nonsense saying the article was authored by people with little intelligence and great foolishness because Bashilubemba and indeed himself could never be part and parcel to establish hegemony or ascendancy of the Tonga tribe over others.
Below is the full Statement
FREEDOM OF STUPIDITY
By Henry Kanyanta Sosala
No one can limit the freedom of expression of another person since our ability to express our thoughts and ideas is a basic right. However, freedom of expression does best when it is controlled by self-discipline, by deference and respect for others. And some of the media houses have some clever fools who because of freedom of expression have become champions of snapping, snarling and the use of foul language without any restraint whatsoever, and they have therefore become swollen-headed as the unchallenged heroes of sarcasm.
And to them some of the attributes of the ‘’freedom of speech’’ include ‘’freedom to offend’’ and ’’freedom of stupidity.’’ This is not actually stupidity in the classical sense, which is usually thought as of a very low IQ. This kind of foolishness must be distinguished from the ‘’mental retardation.’’ And this kind of idiocy has been identified with inferiority complex arising mostly from highly questionable family background.
This kind of stupidity comes with the supposed access to public media, popularity, success or displaced ambition. And according to Robert Sternberg, the stupid expert, such stupid persons believe that because they are so smart; the world does and should revolve around them. They are gripped by the omniscience fallacy. They are convinced that they know more than everyone else and can influence public opinion to their advantage and that others are just big idiots whom they can easily manipulate.
Here are contents of what was termed BREAKING NEWS:
DO NOT DESTROY OUR LOVELY RELATIONSHIP WITH TONGAS, TRIBALIST DAVIES CHAMA TOLD OFF BY CHITIMUKULU
Bashilubemba have distanced themselves from comments made by one PF Tribalist Davies Chama. The Royal Establishment wants to make it clear to all Zambians that if there is any tribe in the history of this country that sacrificed a lot for our independence are the Tonga people. They did not only sacrifice their wealth, over 10,000 heads of cattle were sold to buy ait tickets to send Zambian delegation to London to meet the Queen to negotiate for independence. Liso Mungoni and Nkumbula for ANC surrendered the Presidency to KK during the Choma declaration on merit to pave way for independence.
“Bane bushe takwaba abangalembako history ya independence yesu for our young generation to know,” the chief wondered.
We can’t take away anything from the Tonga people. Tongas have a justified reason to keep the democratic rights of this country in check to ensure their investments in our independence is worth while. We must value their contribution, lets face it, in the history of our country no tribe has been this United for one purpose as the Tonga people. Zambian democracy from Kaunda to Lungu has been kept in check by our Tonga brothers, deny it or accept it.
We therefore request political parties such as the Patriotic front to settle there political scores without involving the Bemba people. Comments from Chama are uncivilized and can only come from unprogressive mind that want to take is in delirium. Young man we have come a long way, politicians can’t divide us.
The clan is nothing more than a larger family with its patriarchal chief as the natural head and the union of several clans by intermarriage and voluntary connection constitutes the tribe no politician can break this bond, I have several Tongas married to Bembas and vice versa. Ultimately, we actually all belong to only one tribe, to Earhings.
There is only one superior tribe in Zambia, that’s the Zambian Human race which is blind to province, regionalism or colour. Emphasized CHITIMUKULU.
All the above is absolutely TOTAL NONSENSE, and this article was authored by people with little intelligence and great foolishness because Bashilubemba and indeed myself can never be part and parcel to establish hegemony or ascendancy of the Tonga tribe over others.
And unfortunately, the worse part that this article has generated is confirmation of what other people fear if the Tonga were in power. There is a terrible distortion of facts that sets the Tonga far above other tribes, for example, Liso Mungoni and Nkumbula for ANC surrendered the Presidency to KK during the Choma declaration on merit to pave way for independence. This is far from truth. Mr. Harry Nkumbula was the President-General of Northern Rhodesia African National Congress, Mr. Kenneth Kaunda was the Secretary-General and Mr. Simon Mwansa Kapwepwe was the National Treasurer. Goodwin Mwangilwa wrote:
‘’On 24th October 1958, the crucial day that the conference sat, the young Congress men took Nkumbula to task for his accusations against Kaunda. Kapwepwe then broke with Nkumbula by announcing his resignation. He told Nkumbula, ‘I have discovered you cannot lead up to independence. I must step out. Mcpherson writes, ‘Between 15 and 20 fellows from Chipata, the North, the Central province and the Copperbelt rose and followed Kapwepwe. One hour after KK walked out with one or two more’.’’ (Kapwepwe Diaries).
And that was the end of Mr. Nkumbula’s journey to State House. Dr. Mbita Chitala in Not Yet Democracy wrote:
“In August 1971, Kapwepwe resigned as Vice-President and formed United Progressive Party (UPP). UPP posed the most serious threat to UNIP’s hegemony. And on 25th February 1972, Kaunda announced that the one-party state was essential to preserve unity. On 13 December 1972, Kaunda signed the legal documents that ushered in the Second Republic.”
It was then that UNIP decided to absorb all the institutions into itself and that was how the Choma Declaration came to pass, it was the swallowing of ANC (a moderate party) into UNIP and Mr. Mungoni Liso was appointed a Member of the Central Committee. And there was no Chinsali Declaration because as Dr. Chitala pointed out, ‘’UPP posed the most serious threat to UNIP’s hegemony.”
And on the issue of Mr. Davies Chama, I cannot see why we should jump on it at this point when it has died down and I totally refused to comment on it when it was fresh.
In closing, I wish to express my deep disappointment for a group of disgruntled individuals to put the name of the Bemba Royal Royal Establishment and indeed myself into such embarrassing disrepute. And I also wish to emphasize that the distorted article has sent very wrong signals to many Bembas since it is a clear deliberate political gimmick to put a wedge between PF and the Bemba Royal Establishment, just coming out of deadly deadlock.
How come most statements which first appear in the media purporting to come from The Chitimukulu are later trashed as hoax/false. May be the Bemba Royal Establishment (BRE) must re-align its PR department. There are so many people out there claiming to speak on behalf of Chitimukulu. This is not the first time.
Who’s fooling who? This is throwing dirty water in an already murky river.
The bottom line for any civilised society MUST be that anyone can be president irrespective of tribe.
Progressive people consider what one brings to the table rather than what background ones comes from.
Davis chama must be checked!!! this tribal mess will turn into some serious war…..,,, witch chama and beer drank vampire kabotolo must start thinking like normal people
Kikikiki,some disgruntled UPND supporters took the false statement as an endorsement on HH for 2016……….,mukose.
Who’s fooling who? This is throwing dirty water in an already murky river.
Progressive people consider what one brings to the table rather than what background ones comes from.
We MUST learn to accept the fact that anyone can be president irrespective of tribe.
‘And this kind of idiocy has been identified with inferiority complex arising mostly from highly questionable family background’…….aka kasapato pali ebo kalingile nomba nshabalumbule…….all I can say is that he should seek psychological and spiritual help as he’s not the first one to grow up without a farther.
No way can this article be the chiefs’ because now its clear that its meant cause a lot of divisions in Zambia.
All I can see that stands out in this article is the word “STUPID and STUPIDITY” all the way through. Having followed the Chitimukulu the great ‘s wisdom or lack of it, his messages are always subtle but to the point and devoid of demeaning words such as stupidity.
This article has been writen by a BRE self imposed spokes person paid by PF knowing very well that it will take time for Chitimukulu to allowed to clear this PR mess if PF machinery will even allow him at all because he hs proved to totally damaging to the popularity of the party since its ascendancy to power.
Folks not to worry PF has run out of lies to tell the people.
What ever any PF minion…
No way can this article be the chiefs’ because now its clear that its meant cause a lot of divisions in Zambia.
Folks do not to worry PF has run out of lies to tell the people.
What ever any PF minion says the direct opposite is the absolute truth. By tomorrow we shall hear the Chitimukulu himself exculpate himself so he can be vindicated once and for all.
What ever the case that statement by who ever coined on behalf of the Chitimukulu has hit home in PF circles and send a clear message that the people are not happy with PF at all.
Viva UPND , HH and his team.
This is a false article. it cant be authored by an intellectual in bashilubemba kanyanta sosala. far from it. the language itself says its authored by the same kind of person it is talking about; it is issued by the types of sunday chanda not the chitimukulu. we will wait for his response over this. the trick is to cause so much confusion around the first article which was more factual and less devisive. if it is by some mental disease that has befalling the chitimukulu, im sorry the nearest hospital he should seek attention is chainama.
Alaa, so the battle lines where drawn on 24th October 1958. Only Barotseland and Southern province remained in Choma. The rest left, went back north and thats what influenced the voting patterns now….?
If i was the Chief, no offence intended. I would stick to the first article because it was more unifying. What wedge between PF and ShiluBemba is he talking about? Stay impartial My Chief.
Iam failing to come to terms with the unpalatable stupidity language from this Ka shilubemba chief. I see anger and more tribalism from this statement. Infact the first qouted statement is full of maturity than the stupidity this chief is Hallucinating. Infact his statement makes no sense but fueling more tribalism. Was this ka chief paid to come with this verbal stupidity or its Just a Hoax letter again as it qoutes nobody. Iam so disappointed with this man????????
This is utter nonsense and another fabrication by a PF henchman. The Chitimukulu cannot write such nonsense. I saw the transcript on ZNBC and it contained extracts from the first article. PF will cause civil war in this country.
Between the two articles the first sounds plausible because its reconciliatory & unifying unlike the divisive & demeaning second article. 1st was in fact a recorded video from the horses mouth (BRE spokesman) not text & even surprisingly aired on ZNBC not Muvi or Prime TV! It only had wisdom nothing to do with establishing hegemony or ascendancy of the Tonga tribe over others.
Since there are two conflicting statements & one published only on Lusaka Times, His Royal Highness Chitimukulu is the only person who can put to rest this tribal hatred circus by physically appearing on Live TV disputing or confirming one of the sides of the evolving tribal hatred.
South Africa’s King Dalindyebo goes to jail
A South African king who is a nephew of the late Nelson Mandela has begun a 12-year prison sentence for kidnapping, assault and arson.
King Buyelekhaya Dalindyebo reported to prison after his legal attempts to overturn his conviction failed.
The case against King Dalindyebo was related to a dispute he had with some of his subjects about two decades ago.
He comes from the Thembu clan, to which Mr Mandela, South Africa’s first black president, belonged.
He is the first monarch to be jailed in South Africa since minority rule ended in 1994.
King Dalindyebo, 51, ascended to the throne in 1989, and has about 700,000 subjects.
South Africa has 10 officially recognised monarchs representing different ethnic groups and clans…
Oh dear, now I’m confused. After all the praise of the Chitimukulu that first article generated, and only to be zeroed out by this garbage spewed forth, it leaves you rather confused, if not concerned and worried. There has to be a hoax between the two, and reading between the lines, I suspect this second attempt has Mr Davis Chama’s blessing himself.
For starters, the first article never promoted any Tonga hegemony or even claimed to do so. It was an attempt at appreciation of a people’s contribution to present Zambia. So where did this article derive it’s vitriol and venom from? And notice the reference to the ‘deadly‘ standoff… Is this referring to Mr Sata as a casualty? Shocker!
Chitimukulu for president
Oh dear, now I’m confused. After all the praise of the Chitimukulu that first article generated, and only to be zeroed out by this g@rbage, it leaves you rather confused, if not concerned and worried. There has to be a hoax between the two, and reading between the lines, I suspect this second attempt has Mr Davis Chama’s blessing written all over it.
For starters, the first article never promoted any Tonga hegem0ny or even claimed to do so. It was a positive attempt at an appreciation of a people’s contribution to present Zambia. So where did this article derive it’s vitri0l and ven0m from? And notice the reference to the ‘de@dly‘ standoff… Is this referring to Mr Sata as the casualty of the standoff? Sh0cker!
Oh dear, now I’m confused. After all the praise of the Chit!mukulu that first article generated, only to be zeroed out by this g@rbage, it leaves you rather confused, if not concerned and worried. There has to be a h0ax between the two, and reading between the lines, I suspect this second attempt has Mr D@vis Ch@ma’s blessing written all over it.
For starters, the first article never promoted any T0nga hegem0ny or even claimed to do so. It was a positiv and good attempt at an appreciation of a people’s contribution to present Zambia. So where did this article derive it’s vitri0l and ven0m from? And notice the reference to the ‘de@dly‘ standoff… Is this referring to Mr S@ta as the casualty of the standoff? Sh0cker!
The initial article that was supposedly attributed to the Paramount Chief had a flow of thought. It was also sensible and sounded more authentic and uniting. This new so-called article from Bashilubemba is more provocative and undiplomatic. It also sounds more personal in its attack on HH and I think GBM. If it is really true that the Chitimukulu wrote this, then all the wisdom most people attributed to him will be withdrawn and more other tribes will lose respect of him.
From what I have noticed in the past, the Chitimuka has a healthy relationship with HH and I doubt he would say these above things in this article. Mr Chama is the one who has been dividing the nation. It makes more sense for any chief in Zambia to rebuke him (Chama). Thats why the “original” article seems to make…
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Mr Chama is the one who has been dividing the nation. It makes more sense for any chief in Zambia to rebuke him (Chama). Thats why the “original” article seems to make more sense.
wapya munzi. UPND can do anything to get HH to state house.
HH is losing in 2016
HH if not stopped in 2016, he will destroy this country – and GBM and C. Banda are being used as tools for this purpose
The first cut is the deepest, those changing the understanding in a different dimension is their opinion. We believe every chief is a chief for all zambian, let us do away with hate speech.
This looks like the Chief’s writing. Those of us that have followed him and his past articles know his writing style. It is kind of scholarly with references as in the one above.. The previous one was highly suspicious and a deviation from his writing style.
I would not be surprised if that article that made headlines was authored by someone who is disqualified by the new constitution to be a President, Running Mate , MP or even a Councilor because he does not have a Grade 12 certificate.
@Bootlicker
It was claimed the statement was authored by some BRE spokesperson on behalf of the Chitimukulu. Bottom line is there are just too many self-appointed BRE spokespersons, some of whom reside in Lusaka and Copperbelt. Time and again we have seen uncouth characters masquerading as envoys, sent by some powerful Chiefs, loitering around government and parastatal offices looking for job opportunities, contracts and business opportunities.
We only have fools in PF. who are they reporting this trash to? We saw that news on ZNBC which is a PF campaign tool. This PF ‘s desperation but as Zambians we have resolved to vote for the one you hate one HH.
YOU ARE THE ONLY ANALYST ON THIS BLOG I FOLLOW AND MOSTLY AGREE WITH DUE TO IMPARTIALITY DESPITE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE YOUR OWN POLITICAL INCLINATION. YES, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THIS IS BY AND LARGE MWINELUBEMBA’S WRITING. AS YOU HAVE SAID ONE NEEDS YOU HAVE ORIENTED HIM/HERSELF WITH HIS WRITINGS BY ACTUALLY HAVING READ A NUMBER OF HIS ARTICLES. TO SUBSTANTIATE HIS FACTS, MWINELUBEMBA INVOLVES A FEW REFERENCING AND QUOTATIONS FROM OTHER AUTHORITIES AND HIS WRITING IS TYPICALLY, SCHOLARLY. AS SHILUBEMBA HAS IMPLICITLY, POINTED OUT, IT’S THE SCRIBES WHO WILL FERN CIVIL WAR IN ZAMBIA DUE TO THEIR CARELESS WRITING FOR MONEY FROM POLITICAL PARTIES- ESPECIALLY OPPOSITION ONES. I RARELY NOTICE PROFESSIONALISM IN OUR SCRIBES.
MOST OF THEM USE THEIR PAPERS TO HAVE A GO AT THEIR PERCEIVED ENEMIES. THIS IS CONTRARY TO THE DICTATES OF JOURNALISM PROFESSIONALISM. I USED TO READ A CERTAIN PAPER A LOT. BUT I STOPPED DUE TO THE SAME. THE OWNER JUST USED HIS PAPER TO INSULT EVEN THOSE WHO PAY GOVERNMENT TAX.
Iyo lwalinya kwena eee.
come 2016, lungu and his team of fools will leave state house. you no this that pipo have decidede. your cheap politics wont change our discussion.
Keep on dreaming, its your right – which people are you talking about. Mukaloba ilyauma. Besides why do you guys like insulting every time – why not just say “Lungu and his team will leave”, anyway Mwinelubemba has said “And this kind of idiocy has been identified with inferiority complex arising mostly from highly questionable family background.” and further said “And unfortunately, the worse part that this article has generated is confirmation of what other people fear if the Tonga were in power”. Guys please change, stop using insults every time. You don’t insult someone just because he does not agree with you.
I knew that Chitimukula can’t be so stu—-pid to write such tribe artical.Indeed UPND is a danger to other tribes.The coming of HH into politics tells it all.If u want to vote 4 UPND under HH then u’ll c how pipo will be chased from govt institution as long as they don’t belong to one tribe.I don’t hate UPND but i don’t like the way HH talks n how he came into politics.Background of everything is important.No way HH gonna change if he becomes president.He believes in tribalism.He told the nation that Mazoka was killed coz he was a Tonga.U can’t trust such a president.GMB is with HH coz is so dull and has no grade 12 certificate.His l IQ is too low.HH thinks tongas are blocked to become president of Zambia.That’s wrong to have such a leader.There are great tongas who will be…
You are a useless OP this is why this country is in trouble
For the reasons you have so ably articulated, Please let’s try HH.
OP SPOT ON. “UWAKALEMA TAKALEKA” OR ALTERNATIVELY, “BAD HABITS DIE HARD”. HH IS PART AND PARCEL OF THIS TRIBAL BELIEF AND THAT MAKES HIM UNFIT TO OCCUPY PLOT 1. IT IS UTTER STUUPID ON THE PART OF CITIZENS/VOTERS NOT TO QUESTION THE WEALTH OF A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS SO DUBIOUS AND HAS NEVER BEEN DECLARED. LET’S HONEST WITH OURSELVES HH’S SOLE PRESIDENTIAL AMBITION IS TO COME AND FORTIFY HIMSELF IN THE CONTEXT OF HIS UN EXPLAINED WEALTH SO THAT NO ANY INDIVIDUAL OR GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS COULD QUESTION HIS SOURCE OF WEALTH. NO WONDER HE IS ALWAYS FRIEND OR TRIES TO BEFRIEND THE POWERFUL ANGLO-AMERICAN CONGLOMERATE. THE OTHER AMBITIONS COME SECOND OR DO NOT EXIST AT ALL.
THERE ARE A LOT OF WISE AND INTELLIGENT TONGA MEN AND WOMEN ALLOVER ZAMBIA, SHOULD IT BE A NEED, WHO CAN WISELY LEAD UPND TO THE POINT OF FORMING UP THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT. I DON’T THINK ZAMBIANS ARE SUCH ID!OTS TO LET HH DESTROY THE COUNTRY BY ELECTING HIM INTO POWER. ZAMBIANS ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIND OUT WHETHER UPND IS NOT TRIBAL BY NOT ELECTING HH AND LET GBM TAKE OVER NEXT YEAR AND SEE IF UPND WILL REMAIN INTACT.
I knew that Chitimukula can’t be so shallow to write such article..Indeed UPND is a danger to other tribes.The coming of HH into politics tells it all.If u want to vote 4 UPND under HH then u’ll c how pipo will be chased from govt institution as long as they don’t belong to one tribe.I don’t hate UPND but i don’t like the way HH talks n how he came into politics.Background of everything is important.No way HH gonna change if he becomes president.He believes in tribalism.He told the nation that Mazoka was killed coz he was a Tonga.U can’t trust such a president.GMB is with HH coz is so dull and has no grade 12 certificate.His l IQ is too low.HH thinks tongas are blocked to become president of Zambia.That’s wrong to have such a leader.There are great tongas who will be presidents of…
Study hard and get a grade 12 certificate, your writing is pathetic
The first article sounded like a senior traditional leader’s counsel. This one is very suspicious and far from the language a senior traditional leader’s counsel. It appears to be too tough on the Tonga and utterly insulting and Knowing Bashilubemba, he could not have issued such a statement. Friends, let us respect our traditional leaders and leave them from our political squabbles.
God is watching!
Why didn’t you tell us to leave our traditional leaders out of political squabbles when the first fake statement came out. Why do you guys always change goal posts when it suits you.
The first statement was authentic and first released by radio Mano but this one is just an in house make by Lusaka times and stinks of grey journalism. I doubt if the Chitimukulu will be happy for attributing him with such vulgarity, you have insulted Ba shilubemba with your immature journalism.
• THE BEMBA ROYAL ESTABLISHMENT-BRE HAS DISTANCED ITSELF FROM THE COMMENTS MADE BY PATRIOTIC FRONT-PF SECRETARY GENERAL, DAVIES CHAMA AGAINST TONGA SPEAKING PEOPLE.
Establishment Spokesperson, James Mulenga, who goes by the title; Washanga Impika Shalubemba told Mano News today that the Bemba Royal Establishment is enjoying a cordial relationship with the Tonga people and Government at large.
Mr. Washanga charged that the Bemba Royal establishment will not allow itself to be dragged into…
I knew that Chitimukula can’t be so shallow to write such article..Indeed UPND is a danger to other tribes.The coming of HH into politics tells it all.If u want to vote 4 UPND under HH then u’ll c how pipo will be chased from govt institution as long as they don’t belong to one tribe.I don’t hate UPND but i don’t like the way HH talks n how he came into politics.Background of everything is important.No way HH gonna change if he becomes president.He believes in tribalism.He told the nation that Mazoka was killed coz he was a Tonga.U can’t trust such a president.GMB is with HH coz his l IQ is too low.HH thinks tongas are blocked to become president of Zambia.That’s wrong to have such a leader.There are great tongas who will be presidents of Zambia but not HH coz the way he thinks
I knew that Chitimukula can’t be so sha—llow to write such article..Indeed UPND is a danger to other tribes.The coming of HH into politics tells it all.If u want to vote 4 UPND under HH then u’ll c how pipo will be chased from govt institution as long as they don’t belong to one tribe.I don’t hate UPND but i don’t like the way HH talks n how he came into politics.Background of everything is important.No way HH gonna change if he becomes president.He believes in tribalism.He told the nation that Mazoka was killed coz he was a Tonga.U can’t trust such a president.GMB is with HH coz his l IQ is too low.HH thinks tongas are blocked to become president of Zambia.That’s wrong to have such a leader.There are great tongas who will be presidents of Zambia but not HH coz the way he thinks
@Moscow watch your tongue.dont poke fire if you can not quench it.Lets preach peace fellow Zambians.happy new year Zambia and happy new yrs in coming president HH.
I knew that Chitimukula can’t be so shallow to write such article..Indeed UPND is a danger to other tribes.The coming of HH into politics tells it all.If u want to vote 4 UPND under HH then u’ll c how pipo will be chased from govt institution as long as they don’t belong to one tribe.I don’t hate UPND but i don’t like the way HH talks n how he came into politics.Background of everything is important.No way HH gonna change if he becomes president.He believes in tribalism.He told the nation that Mazoka was killed coz he was a Tonga.U can’t trust such a president.
Salibe mwine Lubemba! That’s true Bemba wisdom; full of wise counsel. We shall always remember the schemes by some party to demonise anything Bemba and give them the dose of their own prescription Nega Nega formula!
I knew that Chitimukula can’t be so shallowwwww to write such article..Indeed UPND is a danger to other tribes.The coming of HH into politics tells it all.If u want to vote 4 UPND under HH then u’ll c how pipo will be chased from govt institution as long as they don’t belong to one tribe.I don’t hate UPND but i don’t like the way HH talks n how he came into politics.Background of everything is important.No way HH gonna change if he becomes president.He believes in tribalism.He told the nation that Mazoka was killed coz he was a Tonga.U can’t trust such a president.
The fact that you keep posting the same post repeatedly shows that there is something wrong with the article you are supporting.
Dear me me. all those UPND bloggers must be feeling sick in the stomach after jumping UP aNd Down over the previous article. What must be sickening is the realization that your leaders can sink so low to fake a story just to get your party into good books. That is a sickening feeling. Would be interesting to see what you say now. I would be surprised of the recording of HH telephone call emerges on the INTERNET at some point. This show seem to have just began. I don’t think Mumbi Phiri can dare HH to sue for nothing and by the way Times of Zambia has not apologized. The plot Thickens indeed
@Observer,I hear you………their phones must have been tapped and so the recording can’t be released because of legal issues……..just speculating.
I don’t hate UPND but i don’t like the way HH talks n how he came into politics.Background of everything is important.No way HH gonna change if he becomes president.He believes in tribalism.He told the nation that Mazoka was killed coz he was a Tonga.U can’t trust such a president.GMB is with HH coz his l IQ is too low.HH thinks tongas are blocked to become president of Zambia.That’s wrong to have such a leader.There are great tongas who will be presidents of Zambia but not HH coz the way he thinks
Hang yourself if you wish.
HH’S POLITICAL CAREER ENDS THIS YEAR AFTER THE GENERAL AND PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS AND HIS SHADOW PRESIDENCY WILL BE TAKEN OVER BY GBM. AND ALL THE TONGAS WILL BE VOTING FOR GBM.
“Bashilubemba and indeed myself can never be part and parcel to establish hegemony or ascendancy of the Tonga tribe over others”. Why not just say establish hegemony or ascendancy of one tribe over others! My take is that the first article was influenced by GMB and this one by Sunday Chanda. I feel for the Chitimukulu he has to please both sides.
I knew that Chitimukula can’t be so sha—llow to write such article..Indeed UPND is a danger to other tribes.The coming of HH into politics tells it all.If u want to vote 4 UPND under HH then u’ll c how pipo will be chased from govt institution as long as they don’t belong to one tribe.
indeed its a freedom of stupidity
ITS THE “RETRACTION” THAT COULD BE A HOAX AUTHORED AS IT HAS NOT BEEN VERIFIED EITHER…
Every one now wants to portray as Chitimukulu.
The first statement was authentic and first released by radio Mano but this one is just an in house make by Lusaka times and stinks of grey journalism. I doubt if the Chitimukulu will be happy for attributing him with such vulgarity, you have insulted Ba shilubemba with your immature journalism.
• THE BEMBA ROYAL ESTABLISHMENT-BRE HAS DISTANCED ITSELF FROM THE COMMENTS MADE BY PATRIOTIC FRONT-PF SECRETARY GENERAL, DAVIES CHAMA AGAINST TONGA SPEAKING PEOPLE.
Establishment Spokesperson, James Mulenga, who goes by the title; Washanga Impika Shalubemba told Mano News today that the Bemba Royal Establishment is enjoying a cordial relationship with the Tonga people and Government at large.
Mr. Washanga charged that the Bemba Royal establishment will not allow itself to be dragged into…
Tongas and thier chiefs should quickly realiz that much has it was going to be good to have their own as president the path of only them is dangerous. Why should HH take southern as their own ? in one zambia one nation. Trikish doesnt last long
This man usually sounds intelligent when he writes. This feels so disjointed and childish. Maybe let him just make a recording, in fact a video so we see him saying whatever he wants to say. Otherwise if the original was a fabrication even this denial could be a fake.
If this article is true then am vindicated….I really doubted seriously “that wise article (the first one) coming from the northern part, it was going to be a myth to me….I cannot remember any wise counsel that has ever come from the north. I remember how PF in opposition was physically wiped by the chitimukulu then. He is known for always siding with the govt…………”
Ba PF what is this thrush now?
I am Sampa Bwalya, a close friend and relative to the Chitimukulu. at no time did the Chitimukulu issued the above useless and clearly deliberate attempt to sway the citizens.
The truth is that Mr Chama, Mr Sampa Kelvin have again come together to stir tribalism to its highest level. This desperation by the PF will cause this country to be in flames. The PF Leadership is extremely desperate.
After accusing the Tonga Chiefs, they have now decided to accuse the Mwinelubamba. I challenge ZNBC to play the full video about what the Bemba Chief said concerning Chama’s dangerous tribal remarks without editing it as we saw on ZNBC two days ago . The truth brothers and sisters is that Mr Chama was heavily condemned by the chief over his tribal remarks. Mr Chama…
I am Sampa Bwalya, a close friend and relative to the Chitimukulu. at no time did the Chitimukulu issued the above useless and clearly deliberate attempt to sway the citizens.
The truth is that Mr Chama, Mr Sampa Kelvin have again come together to stir tribalism to its highest level. This desperation by the PF will cause this country to be in flames. The PF Leadership is extremely desperate.
After accusing the Tonga Chiefs, they have now decided to accuse the Mwinelubamba. I challenge ZNBC to play the full video about what the Bemba Chief said concerning Chama’s dangerous tribal remarks without editing it as we saw on ZNBC two days ago . The truth brothers and sisters is that Mr Chama was heavily condemned by the chief over his tribal remarks. Mr Chama and Kelvin Sampa are just under…
Hahahaha. Do you believe this? PF is so desperate. This comes from Pf( People’s Fault).
This is just a fake story created by Davis Chama and Kelvin Sampa. the Lusaka Times are being boght as per the leaked intelligence storry.
Hahahaha. Do you believe this? PF is so desperate. This comes from Pf( People’s Fault)
The PF is so desparate that they are now writing their own articles and accuse the chiefs of saying them. Dont be surprised when u see this on Tumfweko, ZNBC, Zambian Reports, and on Times of Zambia and Daily Mail. The PF has now resolved to be paying K50,000 to each of those who publish the propaganga like the one above. I challenge the Lusaka Times if they have not received K50,000 from Davis Chama and Kelvin Sampa to publish this propaganda.
just like you guys have the watchdog
Ba Lusaka Times, please be fair and stop blocking comments against the PF. We know u have been paid to publish the propaganda. You are now pro PF because of money. Shame on u guys. You have driffted from yo principles of balancing news.
look who is talking about being fair, that is what your watchdog does as well. bane he who comes to equity should come with clean hands.
This is pure propaganda from Davis Chama and Kelvin Sampa. Next you will see it on Tumfeko and Zambian Reports including Chilufya Tayali.
Lusaka times u are so stupid
I am a PF member but i can confirm to u that this is just propaganda by the desperate PF. This has just been written by Times of Zambia editors
Paid for by Davis Chama and Mumbi Phiri.
Chitimukulu
You have earned my respect. Continue with your non-partisan stance. Your rebuttal is timely as it is well structured. I hope the Watchdog, whom you have described so appropriately but not named will take heed of your counsel with their tails between their legs – those sons of bitches.
But why did watchdog write what they wrote becoz that article sought sought some kind of recognition for TONGAS contribution to what Zambia is today! But then to whose benefits? Tongas or or the Country? Becare! the weapons intended to destroy your enemies may end up destroying you
PF desperation and propaganda at its worst. Very soon they will start killing people. Thats the problem wen u steal alot, u feel u cant leave the position without shedding blood.
The truth which was heavily edidated by ZNBC says the Chitimukul condemned Chama.
It’s all BS really! Don’t matter no more who ever says or did not say St.
Ba PF we know power is sweet especially wen u are stealing as it is now. But please lets not resolve to cheap propaganda as u have done now and as u did to Chief Hamusonde. It is dangeros guys. Just lose with respect and not resolving to propaganda.
You bloggers, please listen to me with your both ears.
This article is NOT from the Chitimukulu but from Mr. Chama, Ms Mumbi Phiri and Kelvin Chama who want to divide the country on tribal grounds.
Chitimuku never said that, it just fabrication from desparate PF politicians.
Its shamefull that ba Lusaka Times are being paid K50, 000 to publish such useless and worthless articles
Ba PF naimwe, what kind of propaganda is his? This is total rubish. I dont buy propaganda despite beina PF supporter
I have always known the type of English the Mr. Sosala uses. And this is the one. Not that propagated english that was written by an *****ic UPND cadre.
For me Sosala is the Most educated Chief in Zambia.
The PF propaganda members will makes the part lose elections.
Abantu balayamba utumwenamo as pro
With this level of desperation from the PF, i am concluding that the PF will lose the 2016 elections next year.
Whilst the previous article had a unifying tone this one gives me shivers. Let us not go that route, this is a dangerous route that threatens our togetherness. I doubt this statement is from the Paramount Chief. Very sad developments that needs to be checked and nipped in the bud. Clearly the quality of leaders we have pose a great danger to our society and integration.
let just the will of God be done next year.
When we challenged the wisdom in yesterday’s article some people called us names! There was wisdom in that article just there isn’t in this one either!! Both article appear undiplomatic and aimed at smear campaigns against UPND and PF but unfortunately using ethnicity. This cannot come from the Paramount Chief even yesterday’s article lacked the merit to have been authored the Paramount Chief who we know had been a columnist for the Post hence a prolific writer who could not just people unconnected ideas and thrash them for public consumption. In the mean time, one way to reduce on this tension is to know the TRUTH about the issue of what HH complained about against Times of Zambia.It is over 120 hours, waiting for HHto punish those fanning tribal divisions in our beautiful country!
I have never laughed on LT blog…..but this article attributed to ba Chitimukulu has made me laugh. That’s all I can say…..interesting elections results ahead in August 2016:)
I used to like the Lusaka Times, not any more, they are now a mouth piece of the so called elite rulling party, I am not a fan of the perpetrators of violence and tribalism that has become the heartbeat of the LT and pf. good bye.
This tribal talk could easily explode into something nasty, if it is being perpetrated by politicians may the Republican President please strongly condemn it unreservedly and with the contempt it deserves. Unfortunately, I have this feeling that it is the tribal talk is part of the electioneering strategy and could be coming from the intelligence community within the ruling party. This is because the PF Secretaries and their media have been the most persistent perpetrators of the tribal talk. As Zambians we are fed of such retrogressive politics! !
HH is coming to end corruption and this is the problem people have with a Tonga president. they prefer the rot going on under PF continues at the expense of the majority poor. But they stollen enough and should allow a real president to rule and develop the nation. the nation has reached its max to allow more corruption hence ba PF now getting loans to pay loans. even at an individual level its unacceptable.
But there is nothing in the so called statement about refuting the story. Instead, the statement seems to be talking about foolish journalists maybe those at Times of Zambia
I told you, the first story was authored by GBM.
Now article is from Chitimukulu.
the phone number for chitimukulu is 0962302655 call n stop yo rubish comments
I phoned that number. Noone answered!
The fact that you keep posting the same post repeatedly shows that there is something wrong with the article you are supporting
This is utter nonsense and another fabrication by a PF henchman. The Chitimukulu cannot write such nonsense. I saw the transcript on ZNBC and it contained extracts from the first article. PF will cause civil war in this country.
Zambia is bigger than Tonga and Bemba let us preach everywhere. One Zambia one nation friends.
Pure fabrication Yet again
lie the story was aired on dean nbc 21:00hrs news this new artical is false the guilt always runaway even if theres no one chasing them.
PF are desperate kuya bebele out goes ECL and in comes HH
if voting was on facebook Tongas under zambian watchdog hh could have been at state house.
President lungu is actually well liked. This retraction works well for him, knowing that the Chitimukulu is allied with GBM.
Bashilubemba is a respected personality in Zambia and an intelligent one for that matter who cannot use such language for public consumption even the less educated Chiefs would not sink this low. The PF humiliated him now they are stooping low for his support. PF time has come to pack your bags
The*PF spin doctors at work. I’m now convinced more than ever that Zambia is headed for a deadly tribal bloodbath.
DONT CHEAT YOURSELF. THERE SHALL BE NO BLOOD SHED IN ZAMBIA. IT WILL ONLY BE THERE ON FACEBOOK AND ONLINE MEDIA. THE REALITY ON THE GROUND IS THAT SUCH DIFFERENCES DO NOT EXIST. THE BATTLE IS JUST BEING FOUGHT BY A FEW INDIVIDUALS ONLINE..
ECL the best prezdo we have ever had………………BRAVO ECL BRAVO TEAM LUNGU
you are all just boys..(said in a deep long drawn voice) Boys who think insulting and calling people names makes you win elections. If the election was on facebook next year…UPND would win with a landslide
As a sensible person I can see that this statement by the Chitimukulu now makes more sense than the nonsense peddled earlier. But of course my less gifted brothers, UPMD cadres, will cry foul because any sensible thing is nonsense to them and vice versa.
But what have I always said about UPMD and its leaders? I repeat, they always shoot themselves in the foot when it matters most. Look at HH, it is more than 72hours now and he has not sued the Times of Zambia. What does that mean? It means that he did phone and utter those tribal words to the tonga chiefs. And the chief must have warned him that if he sues he should be ready for the consequences because as chief he will tell the truth. And the result? Of course HH has shot himself in the foot once again, and many more shots into his…
Well then LT, publish my comments, you bloody chakuti…..
You are terrible not sensible!!!
I used to admire this bemba chief but his seemingly love for the limelight and publicity is working against him so badly. Crafty and mischievous people are taking advantage of his careless involvement in politics to use his name in any way they want. Why can’t he take a leaf from the Litunga who never opens his mouth anyhow?
It is possible Sosala did not issue the first article. I am ready to accept that myself. Meanwhile, let war beak out. Tongas in Bembaland, please leave immediately. I have all my guns and bullets ready. Since politicians cannot sort out their foolishness in a civil way, and the army is sleeping, I will open the first bullet. Whom do I aim to kill, Lungu, Chama and Mumbi Phiri!
I think the author of the previous article was a upnd cadre. I wish the other chief in tongaland should reply. I am also waiting for hh to go ahead with the suing of the tabloids
LT are scared of war. They are part of the establishment. I called for war and they are too scared to publish. Never mind, the war has started and on my list are Lungu, Chama and Mumbi Phiri. These musat be eliminated before the elections.
Can all well meaning Zambians vote out every politician spearheading tribal politics. Which tribe is superior in Zambia if I may ask? Yesterday, our own famous Sunday Chanda even used the Article on Chief Chitimukulu to castigate HH, all of sudden we are told the chief did not say those words. Who is fooling who here? The authors of both articles on Chief Chitimukulu are known, why can’t Govt take them to task? This article has potential of dividing the nation. This is how genocides start therefore it is the responsibility of Govt to ensure there is peace and unity among ALL citizens.
HH and his perpetual UPND losers have just come to realise that whilst they been insulting President Lungu and PF Government without any reason and creating fantancies on flimsy strategy which is so shaky to win the the 2016, President LUNGU has been working quietly to bring the much needed development and now it is evidently clear that President Lungu is winning by not less than 64% of the total cast vote.
We will not forget that when Mazoka died, HH and UPND clearly made it loud and clear that it is a party for Tongas only and HH never denounced this! Munkombwe in 2015 January campaigns said its time for a Tonga to rule. And now HH has affirmed this tribal thing by castigating Chiefs that welcomed the PF Secretary General in Southern Province and lambasting them for having welcomed…
@U.spresident u are a useless debater u think bembas can fear tongas what do u mean?
Start it yourself u will regret and forget that the world is round.u will run towards congo.
#### HH IS A SECURITY CONCERN IN ZAMBIA URGENT SOLUTIO REQUIRED
UPND will never form government any time soon. PF is here to stay and we are going to be in power for a longtime to come. Ifintu ni Lungu. Come 2016 -ECL Nafuchi Nafuchi.
How can tribes take us into the developed world? They cant because Chiefs, who are very outdated, think they can determine a future that the Western world is already dictating
This new story has the correct history, not the lies in the first story about 10,000 herd of cattle being sold to send imaginary nationalists to Britain to talk about independence. If this is what UPND wants – rewrite history in order to get to State House by imagining events that didnt take place, then Zambia is in maningi trouble. Some of us have lived the life before independence, after, the first republic, the third republic and the multiparty after 1990 and are still alive now through Chiluba’s, Mwanawasa’s, Rupiah Banda’s, Michael Sata’s and now Edgar Lungu’s governments. We know what happened.
Notice the double standard by some of our Bemba brothers and sisters. The were full of praise of the first article and it’s alleged author, the Chitimukulu, praising him as the greatest and wisest chief, since King Solomon. Come the rebuttal, now the same people are condemning the same article and it’s purported author, at the same time praising this ‘new’ one by the Chitimukulu. These are apparently the intellectuals, Zambia’s brightest minds. They can’t even notice their own contradictions… They were praising just because it’s their chief who was talking. You wondered why the country is stagnant.
Bufi!! who is doing what you have said? Name them
The National Chapel and the 18.10.15 national prayers for a reconcilliation are likely to prove to be a sheer waste time and resources because the architects are powerful hungry and witches who do not believe in God Almight. Are we mocking God? Funny Children. Jesus come back. N0nsense!
Oh dear, now I’m confused. After all the praise of the Chit!mukulu that first article generated, only to be zeroed out by this g@rbage, it leaves you rather confused, if not concerned and worried. There has to be a h0ax between the two, and reading between the lines, I suspect this second attempt has Mr D@vis Ch@ma’s blessing written all over it.
For starters, the first article never promoted any T0nga hegem0ny or even claimed to do so. It was a positive attempt at an appreciation of a people’s contribution to present Zambia. So where did this article derive it’s vitri0l and ven0m from? And notice the reference to the ‘de@dly‘ standoff… Is this referring to Mr S@ta as the casualty of the standoff? Sh0cker!
THIS IS CLEARLY AN ATTEMPT TO LIMIT THE DAMAGE THE FIRST ARTICLE CREATED FOR DAVIES CHAMA AND THE PF. THE TRUTH IS SELF EVIDENT. THIS SECOND STATEMENT WAS NOT WRITTEN OR CONSTRUCTED BY THE SAME PERSON THAT MADE THE FIRST STATEMENT. BESIDES IF THIS WERE TRULLY THE CASE THE BRE WOULD HAVE MADE SURE THEY LEFT NO STONE UNTURNED AND WOULD HAVE CALLED A PRESS CONFERENCE TO DENY THE FIRST STATEMENT. ITS OVER BA PF YOUR OLD TACTICS WILL NOT WORK.
BA PF KUWAYAWAYA FYE!!!!!!
THE BEMBA ROYAL ESTABLISHMENT-BRE HAS DISTANCED ITSELF FROM THE COMMENTS MADE BY PATRIOTIC FRONT-PF SECRETARY GENERAL, DAVIES CHAMA AGAINST TONGA SPEAKING PEOPLE.
Establishment Spokesperson, James Mulenga, who goes by the title; Washanga Impika Shalubemba told Mano News today that the Bemba Royal Establishment is enjoying a cordial relationship with the Tonga people and Government at large.
Mr. Washanga charged that the Bemba Royal establishment will not allow itself to be dragged into tribal talks.
ENDS…..
This is according to radio Mano, that was Tuesday. These are the people on the ground. Like I said earlier I doubt a man who resisted Sata would write such drivel. However If we confirm this this rubbish was written by him then I am afraid I might have to start calling him names.
His excellence Mr Changwa Lungu please put an end to this tribal warfare that you are being advised will win you an election. It is a dangerous path. It will not bring prosperity to the nation of Zambia. Mr Hakainde Hichilema if you truly made the statements to which this current debacle is attributed, please applogize and replant your political move. However Mr Lungu it is undeniable you have the instruments to put this to an end.
Only 4 posts from people currently in Zambia. Surely you live in developed countries and still thinking tribes. Strive to create an environment where anyone with potential can thrive.
Yesterday his subjects were praising him hahahaha. Okay let me state this, this only makes president Lungu look really really good. See what I stated about a person that remains silent and not join Kambwili, Mumbi and Chama noise.
Viva President Nawakwi.
We are relived. The idea that Bemba’s can be so manipulated by one person is not a good thought.
Chief’s right about Media Pyschos using their freedom of speech to deny others of their proper opinions and proper self representation. Much as it doesn’t do one good to entertain such folk by issuing media ‘self defence,’ it is relevant in this case. We were certainly beginning to see him in a disappointing light especially since the history leading to him taking up his rightful place. Why would one bite the hand of the one who put things right! Well done Sir. But why are you sitting on a Crock??
To coin a new phrase, ‘Media Pyschos’. Mind you they can also be called Media Psychos depending on your dyslexia!!
To coin a new phrase, ‘Media Pyschos’. Mind you they can also be called Media Psychos depending on your dyslexia!!
Its all hogwash! Such reduces the integrity of a chief as it opens them to ridicule and loss of respect! They are not politicians who are out to win some and lose some but they stand to guide their subjects on co-existence in harmony! Politics must off itself from traditional royalty and governance and traditional rulers must not fall prey! Most traditional leaders worth their salt speak through an appointed courtyard representative! Recipe for abolition of chieftaincy and chiefdoms is nigh!
THERE ARE A LOT OF WISE AND INTELLIGENT TONGA MEN AND WOMEN ALLOVER ZAMBIA, SHOULD IT BE A NEED, WHO CAN WISELY LEAD UPND TO THE POINT OF FORMING UP THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT. I DON’T THINK ZAMBIANS ARE THAT DULL TO LET HH DESTROY THE COUNTRY BY ELECTING HIM INTO POWER. ZAMBIANS ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIND OUT WHETHER UPND IS NOT TRIBAL BY NOT ELECTING HH AND LET GBM TAKE OVER NEXT YEAR AND SEE IF UPND WILL REMAIN INTACT.
The well organised pf minions have now evily started using chiefs as their laders to dig their six feets under right in state house! I told you country men & women previously that as we go towards the general elections, the likes of these pfools lunatics sangomaz wil do anything just to be embraced by the majority. Now its the oposite thing, as God wil never be mocked! Patriotic Zambians are really tired of their percieved & thwarted 25 evil plans against the inocent HH. They’ve actually now started decampaining for themselves & thats how God works! The Zambian majority have probably seen for themselves & they wil respond through their ballot boxes this august period! Mean while, HH aleisaaa..
I have had a lot of respect for this Chinyanta but he is now worrying me. He has already forgotten that it was these PF faggots who sent police to chase him like a hyena from his palace. He must be a sick Chitimukulu to forget that easily. May be GBM did not know that he was sacrificing for a wrong guy!