President Edgar Lungu has said that he is ready to dialogue with any opposition political party on condition that they accept the outcome of the 2016 August 11 General Election results.
President Lungu said that he will not dialogue with anyone who does NOT recognise him as head of state and the decision of the people through the ballot.
The Head of state has also called on stakeholders asking him to dialogue with some opposition political parties to first engage the same political parties.
President Lungu said that he is concerned that people are calling for dialogue amidst the recent suspected arson cases by some political party members.
The President said that he is saddened to learn that the Kafue District Education Board Secretary’s office has been set ablaze by suspected political party cadres.
President Lungu was speaking during the Labour day celebrations in Lusaka on Monday Morning.
Meanwhile, fire has swept through the store-room and other sections of the Kafue District Education Board Secretary(DEBS) offices. The fire has destroyed everything that was kept in the store room, which include old computers, books and building materials, as well as leaving other parts of the DEBS office damaged.
Kafue District Education Board Secretary, Thomson Lungu said that the fire started around 02 hours in the morning hours of today, however quick action by the Fire Brigade saved the rest of the office building.
Mr. Lungu was speaking when Lusaka Province Deputy Permanent Secretary, Josphat Lombe inspected the damaged building. Mr. Lombe wondered why some people have resorted to burning public property constructed at a huge cost. Mr Lombe has since urged the police to investigate the matter and bring the culprits to book.
Kafue District Commissioner, Joseph Kamana has disclosed that two containers of petrol were found at the scene. Mr. Kamana said the incident must have been planned because some windows of the store room were first destroyed, before the fire was ignited.
And the Ministry of general Education has regretted the incidence and is calling on authorities to bring to book the people who are behind the fire. Spokesperson Hillary Chipango has however praised the Zambia police and fire department for their quick intervention.
Who are these poor terrorists causing Lungu sleepless nights, huh?
I hope these people who ever they are or tribe, province they come from don’t graduate to pressure cooker bombs.
Let’s be honest here. The president calls the shots.
They have to succumb to the highest almighty his excellency President Lungu.
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Ok so it is true this all saga is about recognition. Mr Lungu you are exposing yourself as having a hand in this trivial treason charge slapped on HH. Free HH
We are giving you next week to release HH.The real JIHAD will start.We are capable of swing Zambia of balance in 20 minutes.take or leave.
“The fire has destroyed everything that was kept in the store room, which include old computers, books and building materials….”
I smell a rat here. It is possible that the computers and other things were first stolen by insiders and then set the room on fire. We are dealing with very crafty people here. The police should investigate this case thoroughly.
Why is it that EL does not want the petition to be heard, If the Con-court had done its job all this could have been avoided, I think there is something that he does not want us to hear, EL should have urged the courts to deal with the petition quickly so as to defuse the tension but he asks for recognition, that initself speaks volumes about this man, He stole the election.
Sad stories continues. Those conditions we heard them before after death of Ba Sata, with Guy Scott fight.
Isabi likonka amenshi.
Umwana Kasembe.
Ba Edgar, I am sorry to compare you with Linda Kasonde, dispite all the hate, she still accommodated dialogue.
Lungu has wisdom. HH has cockiness.
Lungu has Wisdom and leadership. HH has GBM.
This f00lish drunk president is pathetic. IMF has refused to give Zambia any help until the huge political risk posed by Kaiser ‘s advice to stupid and drunk president Lungu is removed by first releasing HH and let his court case be concluded.
We in UPND will not accept any f00lish conditions at all. Release our leader now or face the consequences of not getting any financial help.
PF is broke and things are tough for Vas co da lungu. No money so he can not travel abroad any more.
Lungu should release HH now or else azagwa.
All these PF stooges commenting here will not be getting their salaries on time in the coming months because IMF has refused to give Lungu money because it fears Lungu will use the money to destroy the opposition and democracy.
Mwanya muzanya manzi tu PF.
PF is busy sending people to set alight government property and then accuse UPND.
Next they burn central bank after stealing all the money and then blame UPND.
Unfortunately majority Zambians including those sympathetic to PF know that its the PF cadres under the leadership of Kaier and Kennedy (the new KK)behind all these fires.
Release HH imwe bachimbwi
A weak leader hiding behind police brutality.
Please fix the economy NOT your political opponents.
Talk with a person from prison really….
Lungu didnt win that election, even ECZ knows it and that’s why he is so desperate for recognition. Mr. Lungu sir, unfortuanely only PF cadres and yourself have been able to accept the rubbish of the worst election in living memory. You are in statehouse illigally, sober up. From this statement one knows, Lungu is not ready for recognition.
When was sick there was jubilation . Ailing dictator ailing dictator. Now sata is dead ati sata mubotu sata mubotu.
Ecl collapsed at stadium .there was jubilation. What kind of people are we. Why . Why kkkkkkkkkkk.
Just accept ecl is president. If the queen recognised ecl. who are we.
@ Laughing matter, get some sort of formal training at any level. It’s never too late. Sata was a huge spender without systematic paybakc periods on infrastructure. Ask your same drunk ECL whom you worship like he is a god in your life, how much money he found in government. Coupled with lack of vision, ECL is as helpless as you are. The IMF has just turned away their proposal, investigate why. If you have no capacity, allow me to pump crtitical economic and governance analysis in your waterly head. The anwer is clear as why IMF turned away the ECL government borrwing proposal…Very soon you will be eating each other’s bumz..mukose bafikala!!!
Hell NO, the druunken master aka ‘Chagwaa’ wont blackm@il us into recognising him-he must first of all stop interfering with the Judicially and let the Petition be heard, squarely and fairly .
No petition, tabled in the courts of law , no recognition…….it as simple as that….!!
Why can’t you just be straight forward that you want dialogue with HH? Leadership is about being a true man than going round in circles. It takes you and HH to shake hands. stop your boys from harassing others as we are all one and equal Zambians.
OUR POLICE SURELY THEY CAN’T EVEN GUESS WHERE THE NEXT ARSON WILL BE CARRIED OUT? ONE WOULD THINK THAT ANY POLITICALLY MOTIVATED ARSON OR SABOTAGE WILL MAINLY AIM AT GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS (INFRASTRUCTURES). SO, IT IS EASY TO GUESS ROUGHLY WHERE THE NEXT ARSON OR SABOTAGE WILL BE CONDUCTED. IN SHORT ALL GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS IN THE SOUTHERN, WESTERN AND MAYBE NORTH WESTERN PROVINCES MUST HAVE BEEN GUARDED WHEN THESE THINGS (ARSON ACTIVITIES) STARTED TO HAPPEN.
This one is very petty, he’s legitimacy is the contention and now he wants them to make him legit before they talk about he’s legitimacy!
HOWEVER, THE CONDITIONS SET BY ECL FOR TALKING WITH ANY POLITICAL PARTY ARE SPOT-ON. THE PRESIDENT CANNOT TALK TO ANYONE WHO IS NOT ACCEPTING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH HIM. THEY MUST RESPECT AND THEREFORE ACCEPT THE PEOPLES’ CHOICE.
He has been invited to South Africa by zuma, who can’t even address workers on may day, he was booed till he left the podium.
Free senior headman Mooya(HH).
HH committed a crime, recognition is a different subject!
Rainman & the Magna Carta: I make it Rain on command,
If, according to to you, “Lungu didn’t win the elections and ECZ knows it”, why don’t you furnish us with unquestionable and unimpeachable proof that Lungu didn’t win the 2016 elections? If you can’t, can you please keep your mouth shut!
ACCEPTING THE OUT COME OF THE ELECTIONS BY THE OPPOSITION WOULD CANCEL OFF THE REASON FOR DISCUSSION. IN ADDITION GIVING SUCH A CONDITION IS AN OPEN ADMISSION THAT THERE WAS INDEED FRAUD AND LUNGU WANTS TO LAUNDER THAT FRAUD BY FORCING THE OPPOSITION TO ACCEPT THE FRAUDULENT VICTORY. FOR ME I SAY NO. LET’S JUST HAVE FRESH PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS.
Wanzelu,
Quote : “Release our leader now or face the consequences of not getting any financial help”.
Only the courts can release HH if he is found to be innocent. If he is guilty, the only person who can release him – through a prerogative of mercy – is the man he has refused to recognize – Edgar Chagwa Lungu. How is that Mr. Wanzelu?
@Peter
In your statement about the police not knowing which building to be set alight next , you have just made it obvious that its the PF cadres behind the arson. Remember when ever its PF cadres behind some criminal activity the PF police just ignore the crimes and not even arrest the perpetrators at all.
Remember shiwangandu saga when the PF thugs stoned a helicopter and police did nothing to arrest the culprits despite having evidence and pictures of the culprits.
PF cadres are untoucheable under Lungu. When they run out money they will start stealing from their PF bosses as they will be only ones with money in the near future.
You PF f00ls release HH or else.
Mr Lungu President, that’s not the way forward. If you are calling for a Seminar or Workshop with the UPND, yes you can put a CONDITION BEFORE MEETING THEM. But if you are calling for a DIALOGUE, YOU CAN’T PUT CONDITIONS SIR. PARTICIPANTS IN A DIALOGUE ARE ALWAYS DEEMED EQUALS AND NO CONDITIONS ARE SET BECAUSE EACH ONE OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN A DIALOGUE GOES THERE WITH A POSITION. I EXPECTED YOUR POLITICAL AIDE, MR KAIZER ZULU, TO HAVE BRIEFED YOU ON THE MEANING OF A DIALOGUE. BECAUSE THE RESULTS OF THE AUGUST 11, 2016, ELECTIONS, RECOGNITION OF YOUR PRESIDENCY, THE DETERMINATION OF THE PETITION BY CONCOURT ARE PART OF THE UPND AGENDA ITEMS FOR THE DIALOGUE.
Rainman, you smoke too much weed or you are naturally cantankerous like all upnd zealots.
I thought the culprits where caught parked outside chimbokaila prison in a Toyota saloon car.
Lungu can dialogue with himself! Let him declare a state of emergency instead. Lungu will prove to the world what a tinpot dictator he is. A little man scared of the shadows.
let languish in prison so that he be taught a lesson,when comes out he learn some thing and he have a story to tell those who hve been there.like GENERAL KANENE
Mr President please let the Presidential Petition be heard to settle the issue to confirm / disprove that you were legitimately elected. After that there will be no problem for anyone to accept the legitimately elected President.
Which petition ? You concentrated on non-entities for 14 Days without touching the main issue. Afterall thst so-called petition is aimed at benefitting 3 provinces only ! Ifyabupuba
Mr Kapeso no matter how hard you try, you cannot legitimise theft, the petition will clear the air
Which petition kaili !
@3 Kaleya, HOW WILL LUNGU ALLOW THE PETITION TO BE HEARD WHICH HE DID NOT START NOR STOP? The petition was a legal matter that held up governance for 3 weeks till it could no longer be entertained as it had run out time! If that is the matter to contest, YES that THAT IS WHY HH WENT TO THE HIGH COURT so WAIT FOR HIGH COURT TO RULE and ask for LUNGU FOR CREDIBLE DELIVERABLES NOT MATTERS OF JUDICIARY AND LEGAL ISSUES!!
There is no petition about election results but on whether not being heard was not a denial of his rights to be heard. This matter is in court under Judge Chitabo
Be in the know bwana
Kikiki the chap is feeling pressure. Why would we accept that condition when the main reason there is no dialologue is because we have refused to accept your illegal presidency. So what will be point of dialogue when the condition of it defeats the purpose of holding the dialogue. This man is dull
@ Nez I am non political, but cannot refuse the common sense of your reasoning.
He is being brainless. Must be long term effects of alcohol abuse. He cannot even see that his own argument is illogical and nonsensical, and contradicts itself.
And he is supposed to be a “lawyer” !!!!
@NEZ, Baba, not dull, but dullower, if there is such a word…..
let languish in prison so that he be taught a lesson,when comes out he learn some thing and he have a story to tell those who hve been there.like GENERAL KANENE
How do you set conditions to a dialogue…I thought he was not concerned about being recognised. What kind of shambolic leadership is this!
There are always conditions to dialogue. Which dialogue has ever taken place without TORs?
Zambian conditions are set or ironed out during talks, with a neutral chair. Let him meet with other political parties and not the one who he is busy brutalizing…. That will make him and K Zulu happy.
@Sad to be Zedian, l appreciate your sarcasm! Lungu should really dialogue with Muliokela and his wife Nawakwi who fully accept Lungu’s preconditions.
The Fire Family ( a.ka UPND) should find better and mature ways of finding solutions to national issues. What meaningful development will they offer the people in 2021 when they are responsible of burning the very infrastructure they arr promising to build ? This is shameful indeed coz its us the taxpayers that will pay for the replacement of these buildings not HH ,GBM or Edgar Lungu !
Bonny, you are ASSUMING the culprits are from upnd. Is there EVIDENCE? Is there PROOF?
It could have equally been Kaizer and his thugs!
Or are Citizens of Zambia now guilty until proven innocent in Lungus PF country?
Iwe ka David musula wobe even my 2 year old son knows that its the Fire Family at is. We will never vote you in because you have shown us how sore losers you are
bonny kapeso; have you got proof that it is the UPND that is setting the fires? we know the tricks of the PF now; you guys want to impose a state of emergency by lighting these fires and blaming the opposition; do not think we are stupid and not wise to your tricks;
The end justifies the means !
iwe ka david yes we have EVIDENCE, what did you think?
A woman comes to you and claims that she is pregnant for you . Do you just accept? Not until a DNA is conducted is when you can accept. In this case no one was declared winner.
Which case? Dream on.
A fake cheque does not become good just because it has been cashed.
Brig, yet again you are carrying a torch of hate and a flawed misconception.
Here are the FACTS
President Lungu is at his helm because of the following:
The Majority voted for PF NOT UPND
The UPND had 7 days after the the declaration of, they FAILED to do so.
Concourt are independent and have no affiliation to PF, as per evidence when UPND went crying to them and under the circumstances were given ample time to come with a case
UPND are blaming the same court who threw their case away to listen to a case which in all likelihood not expired but has no substance.
I demand you ACCEPT PF as the legitimately elected Party that formed Government.
Just because you are a little disgruntled with this Government that have largely ignored you, DOE NOT MEAN you should join the…
Just because you are a little disgruntled with this Government that have largely ignored you, DOE NOT MEAN you should join the crusade of delusional unrealistic persons to refusing to accept a president who has already been sworn.
I will always respect you BUT In this instance I am starting to dislike you, and yes you should care.
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I am on Holiday in Stuttgart but you have disturbed me.
I need answers
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Surely a fake would never be cashed because of the systems put in by banks to prevent such fraud?
@Mpendula, a Pank of Fraudsters would encourage such frauds instead as a way of survival. Lungu can dialogue with Mumbwe Fhili using those preconditions.
Election fraud is a very serious criminal case. Recognizing lungu is same as saying it’s ok to have fraudulent elections.
Fire-boys should burn
– ECZ,
– Kaizer’s houses,
– Eric Chimese’s office,
– Woodlands Police Station,
– Concourt &
– Lilayi detention centre
instead of burning markets & local courts.
Free HH
Free Mwaliteta
Free all political prisoners.
Zambia is NOT Uganda.
No conditions should be set if he is really serious and how on earth do you as president allow yourself to stoop to such low levels? Regardless, in any democracy not everyone will acknowledge or accept a president, spoken or unspoken. Even the Almighty God is not accepted by all but yet his position does not change and He unlike you Mr Lungu who is so concerned about minutia
There is no need for dialogue – and the President should not even talk about it. All he needs to do, out of courtesy, is to remind everybody that the next elections will be in 2021.
How can you dialogue with terrorists. Upnd is now a terrorist organization and UN must declare it as such.
Kiki ati terrorist group ala you guys are dull in pf. If Zambia had a genuine terror attack the pf police would scamper. If they are failing to ensure simple security of illegal lungu in his motorcade how can they protect the nation. The only terror group is pf which has terrorised this economy for their own benefits. How can kambwili from 2011 own over 200 flats and u turn a blind eye. Wake up Bro. You are sleeping Bro
Just prepare for 2021
Tell Lungu those plastic soldiers and toy guns wont save you when real iron killing machines with proper razor guns come into Zambia. Release HH or put Zambia on fire.
…had the Con Court been left to hear and conclude the petition from the aggrieved, no one would demand for others to recognise the outcome of the 2016 polls..
…some characters may end up taking advantage of the situation just to cover up their misdeed by destroying evidence thru arson knowing very well that it will be fore concluded by the authorities before any investigation is done….its possible that even PF cadres can set the fires only the police to conclude its the other perceived party before they even arrive at the crime scene…
…it sad for the highest office to add a voice of suspicion in the absence of a full investigation/report…
I agree with the president, they have to define in what capacity they want to want to meet him…..and that’s only as The President of Zambia period.
Regarding the fires, we know its UPND who are doing this, what a shame on them no wonder they will never rule Zambia except cows.
Dull dog stupid this is a kind of human we have in this government
Mumone
Its not UPND demanding dialogue here. Its PF trying to follow the church ‘s advice.
@NEZ
You are hallucinating if you dream for a day when President Lungu will step aside before the next general election. One President is at State House. Your president in a state jail.
Mr. President you are not a God fearing person but a people pleaser. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom the book of proverbs says. You know deep down your heart that you didn’t win 2016 elections but still insists to be recognised by everyone. Don’t punish innocent people God is watching.
WE ALL SAY YOU HAVE A LOT OF FRAUDS UNLESS YOU ALSO ACCEPT THE PETTITON TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER PARTY WHICH LEVELS YOU AS A CRIMINAL THUG. WHY CANT YOU ACCEPT OTHERS TO SEARCH YOU CONSCIENCE? WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID. YOU ARE NOT MY PRESIDENT AND YOU CAN NOT FORCE ME UNTILL PETITION IS HEARD.
“Our president is detained on treason charges, we have left the courts to decide his fate. If he is wrong, the law will take its course. Now why can’t Edgar Lungu do the same. He is still illegally acting as President and what we are asking is the petition to be heard and decide who won the elections” they stated.
WE ALSO SAY YOU HAVE A LOT OF FRAUDS UNLESS YOU ALSO ACCEPT THE PETITION TO BE HEARD THROUGH THE COURT FROM THE OTHER PARTY WHICH HAS LEVELS YOU AS A CRIMINAL THUG. WHY CANT YOU ACCEPT OTHERS TO SEARCH YOUR CRIMES IN ORDER TO PROVE YOUR INNOCENCE? WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF. YOU ARE NOT MY PRESIDENT AND YOU CAN NOT FORCE ME UNTIL PETITION IS HEARD DEAR.
Whoever said this country will be on fire online or not must be followed, arrested and questioned.
Firstly, this shows that the arrest of HH was about recognizing Lungu and this why he left his chopper to follow his convoy and arrest him for charges that do not make sense. It also shows Lungu is insecure about the truth. Secondly, the only condition for dialogoue should be Zambians must be told the truth about the 2016 elections. This is not HH. Why does Lungu think its HH. All well meaning Zambians want to know who won as it stands the petition is alive. Simple thing for Lungu is let the petition be heard there will be no need to demand people to recognize you. You were president in 2015, HH recognized you but because the elections were more credible. The 2016 elections had a lot of big question marks
To the contrary you dimwits, ELC was responding to those calling to dialogue with you demi god. Look how you are get ting excited. Shameless human beings especially ch I Nez.
We are ready to dialogue with lungu once the petition is heard……
This condition is not allowed. The 2016 GEneral election result was the main cause of confusion in this country,let the Isaac priscilla explain how did they allow chavula in the IT department, how did the police released him from custody, mwaliteta vs mumbi Phiri issues. The munali and kanyama issues. Do you think the Upnd will accept defeat. The icc is the only solution.
Where were the security personnel of the DEBS office when the building was set on fire. What did they say happened.
Lungu’s precondition for dialogue is ridiculous. There is no need for the Petitioners to recognize Lungu as a Legitimate President b4 their Petition is heard in Court. Lungu just needs a Concourt Declaration that he won the Election and was duly declared President. Concourt can only do this if the Petition is heard and determined. Lungu should produce a DNA Election Petition Test Certificate showing he is the biological Father of the doubtful Children. Lungu wants to be recognized as the parternal father without a DNA Test. This is a none starter!We have a Stalemate here so we need the AU and SADC to mediate the Election Dispute. Imprisoning and forcing the Petitioners to recognize the Illegitimate Lungu will never work. The Petitioners cannot be expected to recognize Lungu the Vote…
I labored today listening to the entire speech ba Lungu delivered today. What a disjointed speech it was. He definitely talked like one who is never at peace with himself! I did not particularly like the way he talked to ZCTU! I hope you guys have taken note. Someone has grown too big for himself. Is this what you call humility? Ati Mr Humble. My foot!
If you think UPND will ever recognize you after election fraud chakolwa, forget. It will never happen. Let your PF carders recognize you. You are just a blood thirst vampire. A demonic person like Lungu should not be allowed to have his way. We will never yield to your wickedness.
It’s UPND burning the offices even above thru their comments are not disputing that fact…
You can’t force us to love you boss just do your business leave us with our HH,recognition recognition,ist a forcing matter boss just release our boss HH without conditions or else kaya
Just the same way you cant force the majority of Zambians to love HH and that is why he will never be president and that is why he is now locked up!
“Only free men can negotiate. A prisoner cannot enter into contracts”—-Nelson Mandela.
Well said and spot on, Mr. President. I said it before, dialogue with credible opposition not these upnd tribalists who have no ideas for this country except bitterness, hate, insults, lies and tribalism. Elias Chipimo came up with a brilliant idea last week, Mr. President, sit down with him and Andiford Banda as these young men spend their time planning good developmental ideas for the country, not misguided politicians who think they are better than everyone else in the country!!!
“President Lungu said that he will not dialogue with anyone who does NOT recognise him as head of state and the decision of the people through the ballot.”-SPOT ON, SIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lungu can shout his voice hoarse but he will Never convince anybody that he won the 2016 Elections until he proves this in Court. Lungu claims he won the Election in 6 Provinces and Luapula Province votes made him meet the 50% threshold. Lungu has all these voting data so why not present this in Court? If this was true Lungu would have proved this in Court a long time ago.The failure by Lungu to allow the Petition to be heard in Court is clear confirmation that Lungu lost the Election and HH won it outright. Let the AU and SADC as Mediators of the Election Dispute supervise the Hearing of the Petition. An impartial SADC Court should hear the Petition and both the Petitioners and Respondents must accept the Verdict of that Court. That will be the end of the Story and Zambia can then move…
HH can never be president of zambia, period. Upnd should choose someone else to lead them.
We are considering to field GBM. Why ? because we all know that HH will come out with a criminal conviction !
GBM for UPND President
It is amazing to see that UPND supporters do not see anything wrong with the fact that the party they support so fervently does not practice internal democracy. They have not had a convention for over 10 years for crying out loud!
mr lungu dont just worste people s time you know very well that you didnt win the elections. if you did you would have let the case heard already for everyone . but you know you fear like you mislead your ministers that they were supposed to continue receiving their salaries and allawances even when parliament was no more. the concourt knows there job but you interfer alot. let the petition be heard to prove your legitimacy.
The fires and public property destruction is from UPND leaders, just in case you have short memories let me remind of this. The wife of Hakaivotela Heka is on record of pleading with UPND sympathisers who went to his house where he was smoked out of his hiding hole that “we need to fight this PF Government whatever it it takes.”
The thing is HH and his minions need to realise that he can’t manipulate Zambians with his stolen money from privatisation, He is even lucky that he has been tolerated this far. If it were in other countries HH should have been rotting in the ground by now. So UPND must NOT take their luck too far, it’s enough already and we don’t and will not need them!
As a leader you cannot say such a thing. Just say I’m ready to dialogue. That’s it. If they don’t come to dialogue for whatever reason, then the people will say the leader offered to dialogue but they didn’t come. Then people will see that as a leader you did your best.
Dispose the fake case of treason on HH and move on with governing of the nation. International community is watching with a keen interest events developing in Zambia. The PF government wish to borrow financial resources from the same international community. To put a condition of recognition of Lungu as head of state resulting from the 2016 elections as a prerequisite of dialogue is to admit that 2016 presidential election results were stolen, consequently force everyone to recognise Lungu as president. NO, THIS STANCE TAKEN BY LUNGU CONFIRMS LUNGU AS AN ILLEGITIMATE PRESIDENT OF ZAMBIA. HE REMAINS AS SUCH COME WHAT MAY.
Lungu is thinking in reverse. The main issue in the dialogue is the issue of legitimacy. How can he set the agenda as the condition for the dialogue?
Let’s go through the court process then. There is the issue of the right to be heard.
Son of Son bitch
Mr.President, MAY BE YOU SHOULD ASK PROPONENTS OF THIS DIALOGUE TO DRAW UP THE AGENDA. Then you can START THE DIALOGUE BY DISCUSSING AND AGREEING ON THE AGENDA. There are always some non-negotiable issues that can not be of the agenda especially when they are aimed at abrogating the constitution. From there people will see those who wants dialogue for their personal benefits and those that want it for the benefit of the country getting united to make progress. Some on this site say “Lungu stopped the petition” but how and where is the evidence except it was a legal matter that ended in courts! The petition issue has now acquired a new dimension that it border on individuals’ rights to be heard – ITS IN COURT CANNOT BE DISCUSSED just like the TREASON CASE!DON”T EMPHASIZE BEING…
Son of Son b1tch
PLEASE DON”T EMPHASIZE ON BEING RECOGNIZED, MAY BE YOU CAN USE THE SAME OCCASION TO EXPLAIN THAT “AS A PRESIDENT SWORN IN ACCORDING TO REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW YOU HAVE POWERS TO PRESIDE OVER THE COUNTRY TILL 2021 and ANY ONE WANTING TO REMOVE YOU MUST FOLLOW THE PROCEDURE- WIN AN ELECTION”!
Lungu is a dull and confused President. The 2016 Election was Disputed and Petitioned becoz Lungu stands accused of stealing the Election Victory from HH. The purpose of the Petition was to verify and declare the Winner of the Election. It is not only the Petitioners who want to know who won the 2016 Election. Most Zambians want to know who won last year’s election and the Winner of that Election declared the Legitimate President of Zambia. If Lungu won the Election as he claims let the Petition be heard in Court and confirm that.The UPND has stated that they will recognize Lungu as President if the Petition is heard in Court and after due consideration the Court declares Lungu the Winner of the 2016 Election. Lungu should take up the UPND challenge and allow the Petition to be heard in…
Ka Lungu kawelewele fye.. I thank you.
Bwafyaa.. enlighten me what does Constitution say as to who is to swear in the president. My understanding was that it is the chief justice. If the chief justice did not swear in the the Constitution has not been followed.
I look forward to the answer from any learned bloggers
@4 Masalamuso, IF THE CONSITUTION WAS NOT FOLLOWED AT THE SWEARING IN CEREMONY, then those who are REFUSING TO RECOGNIZE LUNGU ON THIS BASIS SHOULD JUST COME OUT AND SAY IT CLEARLY! It could have been a matter of procedure!They can even use the courts and publish that as the reason they do not recognize him. However most of the time I hear and read them saying “LUNGU DID NOT WIN” WHICH IS A DIFFERENT MATTER ALTOGETHER!
Lungu is not only a foolish but a Satanic illegitimate President. How can Election Loser set preconditions for a Dialogue? The Election Victor is now turned into a Villain. Lungu was Not Democratically,Legally and Constitutionally elected President. Lungu is illegally in State House and until the Petition is heard and the Court declared Winner and duly elected he will remain illegitimate. The International Community should slap Criminal Lungu with Sanctions while ICC should indicted him to the Hague forr committing crimes against humanity. Lungu should Release HH unconditionally and allow the to be heard without fail.
There must be no dialogue with terrorists only prison sentence please consider lengthy jail terms if peace is to prevail in Zambia.They have no vision for Zambia thank you.
If UPND terrorists continue burning innocent buildings, ECL should declare state of emergence and arrest any UPND with an oval head like HH, we said that HH is a Satamist, you see now what his followers (small shetanists) are doing. I hate UPND so much as I hate Satan himself, however I love HH and ECL, its only UPND that makes HH bad, he is a good man without UPND.
UPND stand strong and do recognise this wannabe dictator…..IMF won’t give him money and electricity tariffs are going up 75% , eurobonds due in 4 years.
As an example look what happened to the du.ll Morgan tsangari when he got tricked into negotiating with mugabe to ease western and African pressure on mugabe ….he got spat out after he was used.
If there are to be any talks demand western observers to monitor lungus assault on democracy.
Do not give in…..HH and UPND we stand with you.
IN SHORT, ECL IS SAYING THAT HE WILL NOT DIALOGUE WITH UPND, PERIOD. AND I THINK THAT IS THE WAY TO GO. UPND IS A WASTE OF TIME ON THE ZAMBIAN POLITICAL SCENE. PF SHOULD FIRST WALLOP THEM AGAIN IN THE BY ELECTIONS IN LUSAKA CENTRAL AND MUNALI, THEN THUMP THEM PANTS DOWN IN 2021.
President Edgar Lungu must not have dialogue with a terror group upnd.let them hung!!as for those fires here and there,ZP and other men in uniform can end that by increasing patrols at night.then let each and every Govnt building have a security guard.if that is done,all upnd arsonists will be arrested and jailed.
Upnd cadres think by burning some Govnt buildings then their tonga god HH will be released from Chimbokaila-NEVER!!!ZP KNOW THAT UPND ARSONISTS ARE OPERATING AT NIGHT,SO JUST INCREASE PATROLS TO END THE NONSENSE FROM UPND!!!
THE LAW MUST TAKE ITS COURSE IN HH’S MONGU SAGA-PLEASE!!
@Spaka like lilo……..Who needs who between President Edgar Lungu and HH?its 100% HH because ECL has nothing to lose.he will remain Zambian president until 2021.
If anything,ECL has never called for dialogue between PF and UPND because its not needed.
Surely how can ECL dialogue with those who do not recognize him as Zambian president?it doesnt make sense.UPND should find a Zambian president if there any to dialogue with-period!!
under current oppressive conditions there is no need for dialog.
Let HH sacrifice his freedom for the democratic rights of zambians.
We stand with you HH and UPND.
Lungu is desperate for western funds……that the kaponyas say rains on the PF caders.
UPND there is no need to negotiate.. ..you have been oppressed thus far another 5 years won’t make a difference.
Stand strong HH, UPND we are with you in spirit and prayer.
Imagine spending the rest of your life in and out of court,prison and then you pass away after being the head of state for 2 terms…
LET THEM BURN THE BUILDINGS IF THEY WANT. ZAMBIA WILL NOT LET THEM RULE THIS LAND. THEY CAN HANG. WE ARE TIRED OF TREATING THIS TRIBAL GROUP WITH KIDS GLOVES.
The objective of dialogue with HH are a bit hazy. What are the objectives? Govt of national unity? Become President? Give him a turn to become President in 2021? All non-starters – they are unconstitutional.
Maybe change or amend the constitution? No problem, HH is welcome to submit his proposals to the constitition review committee.
Lets not forget that PF can even change the constitution even if UPND mps walk out and then they tell us that HH won the election! Even if he was president he would be a lame duck as he does not have the numbers to pass laws,
Chagwa and his representatives spoiled the 2017 Labor Day Commemorations by continuing to cry for recognition! Chagwa and team exhibited poor sense of occasion by bringing in irrelevant political issues instead of articulating Labour issues. Some as usual resorted to threats. The sad observation was that for the first time, the president’s speech did not attract applause from the audience except murmurs. Most workers were quite disgusted. Chagwa must start to tame his tongue before it is too late. You can’t give what you don’t have. How can you build peace when you are not at peace with yourself?
And they are busy burning DEBS offices in Kafue. You donkeys, those offices serve the poor members of community. Why dont you burn HH’s childrens school? Too far away in America? That is the whole point, you donkeys are busy burning our children’s only lifeline while HH s children continue learning, are you grooming them to become UPND leaders for life or farm managing directors for life while your poor children remain in poverty and continue to offer cheap labour to HH’s children?
And you think those psrents whose children’s future you are burning will vote for you? NEVER! Or you dont care about votes? You want to get power by treason? NEVER!
It is PF operatives doing the dirty work trying to blame UPND……we all remember bweengwa and the GBM gym training youths with golf clubs and catapults to attack the Zambia defence forces…..we also remember the alleged burning of the VPs residence in mongu with no witnesses and no evidence……
@David,
There is no petition to be heard. You are being misled by your party leadership. If you want proof, just take a trip to the courts of law and do a search. You won’t find it.
Hi there 53.2 Facts! Sorry to have to tell you that your name you use here is actually a LIE! Ignoramus would be a better tag for you.
Firstly you have just ASSUMED I am upnd. For your information, the FACT is that I am most definitely NOT!
Secondly, if you think “there is no petition to be heard”, what was the ConCourt doing listening to all those lawyers?
Thirdly, no trip to the courts of law and a search is necessary. It is a fact of public record.
The job is unfinished. I am not supporting either side. As a Zambian I only want to hear THE TRUTH, whatever it is. Then the PEOPLE OF ZAMBIA can move forward!
Rainman & the Magna Carta: I make it Rain on command,
If, according to to you, “Lungu didn’t win the elections and ECZ knows it”, why don’t you furnish us with unquestionable and unimpeachable proof that Lungu didn’t win the 2016 elections? If you can’t, can you please keep your mouth shut!
@ Stringer, where have you been?
That is EXACTLY what the UPND HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR! They want the PETITION HEARD!
The evidence will be brought to Court and subjected to the RULES OF EVIDENCE.
The PROOF is WAITING. And that is why Lungu DOES NOT WANT IT TO BE HEARD!
Wanzelu,
Quote : “Release our leader now or face the consequences of not getting any financial help”.
Only the courts can release HH if he is found to be innocent. If he is guilty, the only person who can release him – through a prerogative of mercy – is the man he has refused to recognize – Edgar Chagwa Lungu. How is that Mr. Wanzelu?
This is Ridiculous and Bizzare! How can an alleged Vote Thief set conditions for discussing Vote Theft. Lungu the Vote Thief want to be recognized and honoured for Stealing the 2016 Election and be assured that come 2021 Election he will steal the Elections again. Lungu has failed to prove that he was Democratically, Legally and Constitutionally elected President in 2016 Election. That is why Lungu is blocking the Petition Hearing becoz he knows he Never won the 2016 Election. Instead he stole victory from HH and is clinging to power Illegally. The Vote Thief is acting Victor while the Winner of the Election is now a victim and in jail on trumped up Treason charges. How Satanic and Callous can Chakolwa Lungu be? Christians for Lungu should be ashamed of their ungodly and illegitimate…
@54 Stringer, I asked the UPNDonkey bloggers to tell us the percentage margin that they think HH won by and they have failed to answer except for Spaka who issued something close to gibberish and another donkey who simply issued what they know best: insults when they cannot debate facts. Surely they claim to have won but they cannot even estimate by how much, whether 50.05%?
@56 Choma, please tell us which independent international observer reported that HH won the election? Not even the local church group on which Suzanne Matale was a member! You as UPND cant be the only who saw the “victory” surely? Come on, answer or zip up!
Dialogue is a two way system for it to succeed they must be give and take either aggrieved party must agree to give up som3 grounds or demands. In doing so either side must respect the other a good example is when Sata was dying his “enemy” levy ordered his evacuation but for that one act sata would never have ruled
Mwazinyela ,boma ni boma
Too much police should start shooting any dogs destroying public property in the name of politics. This is total stupidity what loss can be suffered by any political party as a result of destroying a local court? Nonsense.
Let it be so for the sake of peace in our nation. God help!!!
This bum is very *****ic! You do no get legitimacy from fraudulent polls, no one does that! And blocking the petition through conniving with the courts will never give you any recognition. Like Chiluba died a stinking thief, be prepared to die an illegitimate illegal preez! Wanya mambala iwe!
Zambians should from now on stop give him the right if was on the roads because this “kamwendo munjila” is an illegitimate skank?
Dialogue with who? UPNDonkeys? The only words in their vocabulary are insults. So first wait until HH passes the language test at the correctional facility then let them line up for language correction. I think its working well for HH as he is educated and a fast learner. It will be painstakingly slow for the lower scale donkeys like the one above @ 63…..for some we may even have to donate some new genes.
SO EVERY TIME THERE IS A FIRE IT IS NOW ALLEGED THAT IT HAS BEEN STARTED BY THE OPPOSITION. WHAT RUBBISH ! STOP BLAMING UPND FOR EVERYTHING. INVESTIGATE AS TO THE CAUSE OF THE FIRE FIRST – IT COULD BE AN ELECTRICAL FAULT. THIS IS JUST INSANE !
I tried to make sence of this article.
The DC is reporting of petrol containers being found on the scene. They may belong to the DEBS office, who knows!
Then he talks of glass panes being damaged before the alleged arson.
Something is not adding up. How did he know that? Or is it his conclusion after seeing the glass panes damged due to the fire or fire extinguishing activities?
These things should have been mentioned by the Police as interim findings awaiting an investigation, not the D C.
Seems politically motivated.
It is PF operatives doing the dirty work trying to blame UPND……we all remember bweengwa and the GBM gym training youths with golf clubs and catapults to attack the Zambia defence forces…..we also remember the alleged burning of the VPs residence in mongu with no witnesses and no evidence
Lungu’s suggestion is very strange and unheard of, for a Thief to set conditions under which he will return the Stolen property to the owner. This is a case of Vote Theft which must be judged by an Impartial Court. Hearing of a Petition means the Petitioners and Respondents giving evidence to the Court on the the Vote Theft and the Court giving a Final Verdict as to who stole the Vote and who won the 2016 Election. Lungu is mistaken to think that its only UPND who want the Petition to be heard. Most Zambians want to know who truly won the 2016 Election and that Person should be allowed to govern us. Most Zambians think Lungu did not win the Election. HH won it. That is what an impartial Court should determine. Hear the Petition,determine it and declare the Winner duly elected President…
Most commentors lack an understanding of smple issues including social studies in the lower primary school levels and later civis at secondary school! What does the doctrine of seperation of powers mean?..How can the executive twist the arm of the judiciary eg let Petition be heard. Its such ignorance that comes from so called learned ( actually ignorant lawyers) and Politicians that has brought the country to this state. Is burning public property the answer to dealing with vexing issues? It just demonstrates a pipo with embecile minds…we are not in days of chachacha!..some pipo want to live in 2017 and behave as though they are in 1958!! Shame
No recognition of a political thief who stole someone’s elections without the conclusion of the petition.
BUT NO DOUBT UPND ARE SATAN.ISTS. I HAVE COME TO BELIEVE TODAY. I WILL START PRAYING AND FASTING FOR ULTIMATE DEMISE OF UPND IN 2021.
From the desperate plea for UPNDs recognition, it is now very clear that someone did not win those elections. It is making me to strongly believe they are serious legal issuers underlying the manner in which some one was sworn in (by a court clerk instead of the Chief Justice, this was unprecedented) which will affect the current political leadership should UPND get power sometime in the near future., Let the petition case be fairly heard and determined before talking should start. Otherwise we will be legitimizing an illegality.
YOU ARE EXTREMELY DULL BEYOND REDEMPTION. YOU AND NEED TO REPEAT GRADE 1. IT’S NOT THE COURT CLERK WHO SWORE IN THE PRESIDENT BUT THE CHIEF JUSTICE.
mmm, you may just be the one needs to go back to pre-school Jane. try to search for your common sense if you have any.
Who needs who at this moment, is ECL in need of HH or is it HH / UPND who needs ECL? ECL is being visited by all sorts of HH’s supporters for him to pardon him for his misdeeds. So ECL has his conditions before he can listen to any of them. So UPND it is leave it or take it. What puzzles a lot of people is why dialogue on behalf of a person who does not need to dialogue, so to the mediators you should start with HH/UPND before going to ECL.
ECL has already been recognized worldwide and locally accept for a few who thinks they have not recognized him when in actual sense they have if not why crying to him for pardon?
David don’t be dull. how do you expect a case to be deliberated if you keep on making submissions? do you know what happens when new submissions are made? the judges will need time to study the case and see if their is any merit in what has been submitted or not. HH and his team knw they had 14 days to make a case that was valid and water tight. they failed. in my opinion these advocates he is using Mushipe and Co. are just out to make a quick buck out of him. the saddest thing is he is behaving like a wounded buffalo and refuses to wake up and smell the coffee. Mushipe and Co. will ruin him. he should have realized this the time they walked out of concourt leaving him to fend for himself. he is being a drama queen. if he is serious about this whole idea that his votes where stolen he…
THIS MUSHOT THING IS A REALLY AN ADVANCED FOOL WHO SEE
This blog makes me feel like vomiting, we have a few who are reasoning but many of you are shameless on this blog. You are still talking about the August 2016 elections? Please let call a spade a spade….ECL won those elections without doubt. I personally voted for him together with the many people i have talked to, am just wondering who the Hell you voted for.?
Look at how many provinces voted for your incarcerated HH and how many voted for our beloved ECL…or maybe you are pretending to be blind to FACTS?? Let ECL rule this country because we the people of Zambia decided that he should rule PERIOD.
Your behavior is like insisting on a girl who was your girlfriend at school -PRIMARY and then you found married to another man and still want her to be your girl….utter rub1sh..move on…
The consitituiton says 14 days…what petition are people still talking about……mmmmm .Point of correction maybe, its not 14 weeks, nor is it 14 months its 14 days imweee alaah shah!
We here you. Now address your concern to those who want to be recognized?
Do you know how a Court works? In Court it is not the plaintiff or the defendant that decides how it is conducted.
It is the presiding JUDGES! They are the ones and THE ONLY ONES that determine procedure.
If the case was not HEARD in fourteen days it is clearly a failure on THEIR PART!
No one else!
A crime is still a crime even if somebody “accepts” it. Stealing an election and breaking your oath of office is CRIMINAL! Should Zambians accept such from the highest office of the land? Should we be happy and accept our hard won democracy and freedom has been STOLEN from us?
This is not about UPND. This is about Zambians RIGHTS!
In Court it is not the plaintiff or the defendant that decides how it is conducted.
It is the presiding JUDGES! They are the ones and THE ONLY ONES that determine procedure.
If the case was not HEARD in fourteen days it is clearly a failure on THEIR PART!
No one else!
A crime is still a crime even if somebody “accepts” it. Stealing an election and breaking your oath of office is CRIMINAL! Should Zambians accept such from the highest office of the land? Should we be happy and accept our hard won democracy and freedom has been STOLEN from us?
This is not about UPND. This is about Zambians RIGHTS!
It is ironic that the person that ACTUALLY clearly commiited TREASON by not handing over to the Speaker is now trying to persecute someone else on trumped up TREASON charges!!!!!
The Concourt can easily resolve this issue. It can convene and review its proceedings, decide it mis-directed itself, and agree to start the case from the beginning again.
But maybe these judges are not clever enough to understand these issues and proceedures.
My brother, it’s become foolishness to argue with a UPND supporter because they have refused to reason. They know that ECL won beyond any doubt but they pretend they don’t know. You can’t reason with a person like that.
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No sir we will not be intimidated on this one … let the courts hear the petition first . we all know the flip flop that happened in the 14 days of the petition. Simply put we will not be forced to recognize you sir. The will of the people and your mandate lies in the petition.
With or without dialogue, ECL remains the president elect of all zambians, including the incarcerated character. I just wish him God’s blessings and hope some of the bitterness will evaporate from these demented characters. See you in 2021.
We don’t need HH to run Zambia.
someone help me out. what petition is muntu wandi going on about? there is nothing to be heard. the whole case was thrown out by the constitutional court. its over. what is happening at the moment is the high court is still trying to determine whether their right to be heard was denied by the concourt.
People please, be factual with your posts. don’t mislead the nation. the petition is long gone.