Acceptance of the 2016 general election results is the starting point for dialogue-Chipimo

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-National Restoration Party Elias Chipima (2nl) attending the 2017 Labour Day Celebration at Freedom Statue yesterday 01-05-2017. Picture by ROYD SIBAJENE/ZANIS
-National Restoration Party Elias Chipima (2nl) attending the 2017 Labour Day Celebration at Freedom Statue yesterday 01-05-2017. Picture by ROYD SIBAJENE/ZANIS

National restoration Party (NAREP) President Elias Chipimo has said that the acceptance of the 2016 general election results is the starting point for dialogue among political parties.

Mr. Chipimo said that President Edgar Lungu’s call for social dialogue that exists among employees and employers to be extended to political parties should be taken seriously for all political parties who have the interest of the nation.

Mr. Chipimo said that it was important for political parties who lost the 2016 general elections to accept that there is a government in place and they provide constructive checks and balances for the betterment of the country.

Mr. Chipimo said this yesterday after the labour day celebration at the freedom statue in Lusaka.

Last week Mr Chipimo said, in a media statement, that Zambia was currently experiencing serious tension and simmering political turmoil due to the twin evils of intolerance and pride

Below us the full statement

ZAMBIA’S SIMMERING POLITICAL TURMOIL

Our nation is currently experiencing serious tension and simmering political turmoil. At the heart of the problem lie the twin evils of intolerance and pride; character traits that none of us can claim to be completely free of – if we are really to be honest with ourselves.

All of this has resulted in unrest and a heavy-handed approach by law enforcement authorities. However, no amount of brutality can quell a rising tide of anger and resentment; and when a nation struggling to make ends meet feels that all hope is lost due to uncaring leadership enriching itself at the expense of the masses, the very stability of the state is called into question.

In the midst of all this, our nation is convulsed in discussions around a treason trial. While there is no excuse for not upholding the law and respecting our national institutions, there can be no legal justification for the charge of treason leveled against the leader of the main opposition party in Zambia for failing to abide by police directives to give way to a presidential motorcade. The fact that a charge of treason for what happened on the weekend of 8th April in Mongu, has been leveled at all – confirms the sad reality that the “winner-take-all” syndrome in our politics has created a hotbed for entrenched division among our people while fundamental problems in our society continue to fester.

While the treason drama plays itself out (and play itself out it will to the ultimate embarrassment of those who came up with up the charge), we must not lose sight of the serious development challenges that face our struggling masses every single day.

Elias Chipimo
PRESIDENT
NATIONAL RESTORATION PARTY
APRIL 2017

128 COMMENTS

  1. +32
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    UPND do not accept diloge in the current violent attacks on democracy…….nonono

    What kind of democracy is this where UPND are not allowed to meet their supporters???

    No diloge no IMF funds to perpetuate a budding dictator.

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      This is the same chipimo that UPND had advocated to be a smart man and person who speaks sense.

      He has spoken – the ball in in your court.

      Please accept the erection like we all have

      Thanks

      BB2014,2016

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      Paranoid schizophrenic lungu does not allow the opposition to meet……this is disgraceful for some one who has spent 10 billion on development and is still paranoid about his job.

      Just lock up all UPND….freedom is the sacrifice they have to pay for zambias democracy…

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      I am sorry to differ with Elias Chipimo and people who think like him, including Mushota. Mr Chipimo, I know you are clever enough to know the meaning of a DIALOGUE. A dialogue between Parties with variance reasoning has an AGENDA OF ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION. That is observation number 1. The second thing is when you go into a DIALOGUE, you the participants are deemed EQUALS. This means, no-one Party out of the Participants should GIVE CONDITIONS TO THE OTHER(S) BEFORE THE DIALOGUE. Mr Chipimo, a Dialogue is NOT A SEMINAR OR ÀNY OTHER MEETING. A DIALOGUE IS A GIVE AND TAKE FORUM. YOU LOSE HERE AND WIN THERE. IN SHORT, IF HIS EXCELLENCY PRESIDENT LUNGU IS serious about having DIALOGUE WITH THE OPPOSITION OR THE UPND IN PARTICULAR, HE SHOULD FIRST OF ALL DESIST FROM PUTTING CONDITIONS BECAUSE…

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      But Mr. Chipimo do you also know that there is a case in court and you as a lawyer should be telling us that this petition be heard and the judgement be passed, then UPND will gladly recognize Mr Lungu if the ruling goes in favor of Mr Lungu.
      I am not a lawyer but I think it is right for the petition to be heard and judged. Or do you mean to say UPND has no constitution right? Free HH

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      ….because you are all deemed EQUALS, FIRST AND FOREMOST because each one of you the Participants, including the PF PARTY, will be expected to TABLE YOUR CONCERNS, DEMANDS, EXPECTATIONS ETC, ETC. BEFORE THAT RECOGNITION YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS IMPLEMENTED, IF THE DIALOGUE IS SUCCESSFUL. It’s not that simply Mr Chipimo. At International level, this is why even the RESTRUCTURING OF THE UNITED NATIONS APPEARS TO HAVE TAKEN LONG BECAUSE OF VARIOUS INTERESTS OF MEMBER NATIONS. I WISH I COULD MEET YOU MR CHIPIMO, FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION BECAUSE WHAT I HAVE SAID IS ONLY A TIP OF THE ICEBERG. THANK YOU SIR.

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      How can UPND accept dialogue when they have nothing to say?

      HH and his UPND are bent merely and purely on causing trouble.

      HH and the UPND have nothing to say, and that is why when they baked their so called petition and filed it in, even themselves had no faith in it – knowing it was merely cooked.

      And so they spent all the legal timeframe frying and braiing preliminaries while the petition which they had baked was just kept without eating it. As a result on the 14th day it stale.

      Even in the current treason case before the courts, the matter is so clearly that they have nothing to say, no defense, thereby resorting once again to preliminaries.

      HH clearly refused to give way to presidential motorcade, thereby willfully putting the life of the president in danger, so that…

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      HH clearly refused to give way to presidential motorcade, thereby willfully putting the life of the president in danger, so that he is unable to continue to lead the country, thus asuping power from him.

      In conclusion, UPND have never had anything to say, so how can they accept dialogue?

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      May I suggest that the starting point should be the electoral process that allows one player to be also referee and in the case of PF also tries to be the coach for the other team.What acceptable results could come from such a defective process and what assurance does one have that if you accept now Lungu and his bululus will not repeat their win without verification.

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      May I suggest that the starting point should be the electoral process that allows one player to be also referee and in the case of PF also tries to be the coach for the other team.What acceptable results could come from such a defective process and what assurance does one have that if you accept now Lungu and his bululus will not repeat their win without verification.

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      “First, respect for the head of state is a cardinal rule in international relations and democracies. The incidents in Western Province appear provocative. It should be possible to combine polite respect, and adherence to Zambian protocol, with disagreement and even legal challenge. I repeat that the UK, along with the rest of the international community, have recognised the Zambian government. “, says the British High Commissioner

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      “Acceptance of 2016 election results as the starting point…” or is it the acceptance of election results as rigged? To my knowledge, the one who has refused the verification of the 2016 election results is the president himself. By so doing, he has effectively declared himself to be illegitimate. All what the UPND are demanding is that the person who was legitimately elected be recognized as the president. If president Lungu rigged the election and knows that, is he not adding salt to injury by demanding that he be recognized by the opposition as the president?

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      ALL POLITICAL PARTIES, CIVIL SOCIETY, NGOs AND THE CIVIL SERVANTS MUST RESPECT THE WILL THE PEOPLE WHO VOTTED FOR LUNGU. NOT ACCEPTING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE OF ZAMBIA SIMPLY MEANS YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE OF ZAMBIA AND THEREFORE, NO BASIS FOR ANY DIALOGUE. THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE PRESIDENT AT A TIME. IF HH FEELS HE IS A PRESIDENT, YES, HE CAN BE IN A KRAAL HIS OWN CATTLE. HOW DOES HH EXPECT TO WIN ELECTIONS WHEN INDEED HE HAS NEVER WON ANY EVEN IN HIS OWN UPND KRAAL.

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      Mr Chipimo, I just seem to have so many questions to you and one is as follows: Suppose the UPND recognized Mr Lungu as the President of Zambia today, will Mr Lungu also accept the UPND PETITION to be heard by the CONCOURT because that matter is still in Court?

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      Anyone who accepts the outcome of the 2016 results is a criminal, just like those !diots at ECZ. ECZ is actually an embarrassment beyond any measure! You shouls not complain next time when ECZ takes rigging to the whole new level. This rigging was so silly, and un-intelligently done with chaps who claim to have bachelors and masters in economics failing simple maths.

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      Thought Chipimo is a smart boy, looks like the corruption has also entered him, what dialogue when the opposition are not allowed to do anything not even freedom to meet? Let Lungu show leadership by stopping his police cadres to harass people.

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      @ 1.15 Rainman & the Magna Carta: I make it Rain on command.,

      The entire world is criminal apart from the UPND and it’s supporters.

      The UK, the EU, the SADDC, the COMESA, the AU and the rest of the international community, apart from upnd, have accepted the outcome of the August 2016 polls.

      According to you only the UPND and its supporters are not criminal. May be because they believe their leader HH’s votes were found in a bin by bamayo ba Maureen Mwanawasa.

      But why did Maureen Mwanawasa tell HH not to involve her in falsehood?

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      what is 1.3 on about? what democracy are you talking about? does it mean that if UPND loses then there is no democracy? democracy is about accepting majority rule. 50 +1 people spoke. so tell me… what evidence do you have to prove otherwise? if you do and have personally witnessed this injustice. if not please shut up and get some sleep. so sick of ignorant bloggers

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      Where is your “logic” ??? You obviously use some other organ than your brain for thinking.

      Do you know how a Court works? In Court it is not the plaintiff or the defendant that decides how it is conducted.

      It is the presiding JUDGES! They are the ones and THE ONLY ONES that determine procedure.

      If the case was not HEARD in fourteen days it is clearly a failure on THEIR PART!

      No one else!

      A crime is still a crime even if somebody “accepts” it. Stealing an election and breaking your oath of office is CRIMINAL! Should Zambians accept such from the highest office of the land? Should we be happy and accept our hard won democracy and freedom has been STOLEN from us?

      This is not about UPND. This is about Zambians RIGHTS!

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      We shall discuss if you remove HH first.We are men of few words.

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      who is this David person who is getting so personal on this blog yet hides behind a computer screen because he is a chicken. David do us all a favor, stop being brave on social media and back up your words by holding a press conference to air out what feel. am sure Muvi TV will give you airtime. lets see if you are all substance or full of nothing but huff and puff! poof smoke!

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    Erection! Certainly, not a slip of the tongue or the finger on the keyboard. What were you thinking about Mushota?

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      It was a mistake. Let’s stick to the tropic

      We all make mistakes.

      Thanks

      BB2014,2016

    • +5
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      Mushota don’t quit, PF always promoted erections. With there stiff harms high. There you go, so you prefer

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      That is all Mushota thinks about. Erections! Is that what you are getting a PHD in? I have never seen such a useless PHD student who cannot provide intelligent comment that are based on moral and descent thinking. Between Mushota and the PF carder Mumbi phiri there is no reason. Both can be defined as kaponyas

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      So this Mushota whatever, is Lusaka Times your life? You seem to post on every topic and read through what people post. What do you really want in life? just a piece of advice, this is life and what you say might not matter now but be sure it will matter some day in a way.

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      Mushota has shown why she spends all her time spewing anti-HH nonsense on LT. She is sexually starved. My offer to rim her tight Bemba pussi with my anaconda still stands.

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      EXECUSE MUSHOTA- SHE’S IN A TROPICAL ZONE WHERE THINGS ARE HAPPENING AND OBVIOUSLY MAKING APPROPRIATE MISTAKES. AS SHE SAID- LET’S STICK TO THE TOPIC.

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      This stupidd bitchh accepts a lot of erections. That’s why she’s so confused.

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      Mr True Zambian, you who is so intelligent and not a kaponya , I am yet to see or read anything intelligent from you either…. what does that make you?

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    Spaka, I knew that when HH was put in corrective custody the tune would change to releasing HH, from the original hearing the dead petition. You dont have much choice left do you? Which is why now you dream of IMF giving us no deal. The deal will come as sure as daylight once both parties thrash out outstanding issues. These issues are commercial and fiscal, HH is not on the table. Then what next? HH’s stay in correction is entirely up to you Spaka, two weeks, two months, two years or more his fate is ENTIRELY IN YOUR HANDS.

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      I can assure you HH accepts his fate on trumptup charges for the sake of mother Zambia. No matter how long you mail him he will emerge a hero.

      Every one knows this is political prosecution…..they can be no diloge with violence and intimidation. No freedom of expression and no freedom to meet supporters will not work.

      The world is watching. Mean while we are preparing another petition to the IMF since you are so sure of their support.

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      We know that lungu desperately needs IMF money….electric tariffs going up….fuel up…..eurobonds soon due…..taxing ideas have all been used and no investors.

      The Chinese will not give any more money to Zambia.

      My take on this…all political prisoners will be released…..all opposition parties will have the right to meet their supporters when they like, UPND leadership will be allowed to greet well wishes in markets or anywhere … the intimidation and harassment of independent media will stop…..the IMF will release money in small doses under watchful terms….UPND will recognise lungu and the petition will be allowed to go ahead.

      Stand firm UPND.

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      IMF will not give you money to oppress your pipo try the Chinese or perhaps Russia.PF spent 10billion dollars on un verified so called un precendented Fimo Fimo.IMF wants resources spent in a transparent way which is un impossible expectation From the maka party,how shall they have maka if they don’t eat public money.Its only in PF we have seen even councilors became rich from selling state land.

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    Title should read: Acceptance of FRAUDULENT 2016 General Election Results Starting Point For Dialogue.

    Accepting that it’s ok to steal elections implies even next elections won’t be about who is the most popular candidate, but
    – who has better rigging skills
    – who has brutal police on his side to cancel rallies at last minute, shoot small girls, close Radio & TV stations who feature your opponents
    – who has ZAF on his side to cancel rallies if you are in the province
    – who has DeadNBC to spill out your propaganda
    – who has ZAF & Kaizer on his side to transport ballot papers & police to arrest anyone who catches you red-handed
    – who has ECZ on his side to give you 26,000 free votes
    – who has ECZ on his side to accept results without G12 forms
    – who has Con-court on his side…

    • +13
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      Very correct Malaoza. It’s actually accepting wrongdoing. Our society should not accept such

    • +9
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      Lungu, Lungu, Lungu ad infinitum to all your questions. Lungu is a curse on Zambia.

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      This was all Lungu’s not so clever strategy. He steals elections and the rightful winners refuses to recognize him so he locks them up on trumped up charges.

      But wait Lungu is now starting to call for ‘dialogue’ directly and indirectly using other people as though it was UPND and HH calling for it. But this all part of his overall strategy to be recognised as the winner, and because the entire civilised world is condemning his dictatorial tendencies.

      How on earth would you force someone to recognize you? Recognition isn’t forced, it’s a voluntary on the person giving it. Desperation!

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    AS LONG AS THE WORD ACCEPTANCE IS NOT TAKEN IN ITS FULL CONTEXT BY THE UPND, I FEEL THE GOVERNMENT SHOULDN’T WASTE ITS TIME DIALOGING WITH THEM. ELIAS HAS ACCEPTED, WINTER HAS ACCEPTED, ANDIFORD HAS ACCEPTED, FELIX AND THE MMD HAVE ACCEPTED AND SO HAVE THEIR SUPPORTERS!! GOVERNMENT SHOULD DIALOGUE WITH THOSE THAT HAVE ACCEPTED AND LEAVE THE DETRACTORS TO THEIR DEVICES-THAT ATTITUDE HAS ALREADY HAD THEIR FINGERS BURNT!!

    • +11
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      left PF dialogue with the small one man parties who have accepted the rigged election results and leave UPND to fight the petition through the rotten Zambian justice system

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      OK. So go ahead and negotiate with Mutati & co and see how the tension will suddenly disappear! …Wishful thinking indeed. How many of your own citizens are you going to lock up just to keep you feeling good about yourselves!!!!????

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      @Zambian citizen, those parties will accept because they were not the ones who were close to winning or ‘rigged’ as UPND claims. I don’t have facts and so I will give them a benefit of doubt to prove their case which the CONCOURT didn’t do. claiming the UPND won without hearing the case wont do just like frustrating all efforts to hear the case wont do for the PF.

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      @ine wine: the concourt gave you the platform to present your evidence, why didn’t you?? Then, mention one polling station that had irregularites which you had concrete evidence to prove, please??

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      It is ironic that the person that ACTUALLY clearly commiited TREASON by not handing over to the Speaker is now trying to persecute someone else on trumped up TREASON charges!!!!!

      The Concourt can easily resolve this issue. It can convene and review its proceedings, decide it mis-directed itself, and agree to start the case from the beginning again.

      But maybe these judges are not clever enough to understand these issues and proceedures.

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      How many Councillors and MPs do Chipimo, Mulongoti, Nawakwi, Mutati and Muliokela have? How close were they to getting into State House if the elections were not rigged?

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    PF is really playing these silly foools in opposition…they knew that UPND would never recognise the Lazy one so only way to force them is arrest their President on trumped up charges and because they are headless they are clueless and desperate. This is why democracy is paramount both on a national and party level (opposition)..it promotes continunity.

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    Failure to accept defeat resulted in HH testing Jail.SATA was a real politician he knew how to move on after losing elections.HH should learn u can not fight EDGAR as things stand.Move on and zambia will vote for u and not Tonga as a tribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Use-less Chipimo. Looks like he is an HIV-Aids person singing songs to Lungu for him to access free antvirals

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    in contrast hearing the petition is the beginning of dialog. Once the petition is head the UPND will accept Lungu As president. Come on Guys the Constitution of Zambia is clear that the President should handover power to the speaker of the nation assembly and failure to do so its treason but we are all quite after the president refused to hand over power. The petition need to be head. once more what is the fear to hear the petition in the courts of law if Edgar won these elections. Its sad to see how many of us thinks straight.

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      How are you going to hear the petition which you haven’t lodged. To remaind you the constitution says once the petition is thrown out it can’t be brought back in the concourt. Maybe try and remind your fellow tribes mate when your petition will be heard at the chuundwa chaitwa ceremony.

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      So @ ndonga, you just want the law to bend since it us upnd? Can one of you explain what 14 days means regarding presidential petition. Further, we all know that not accepting the 2016 results is just a way of making this country ungovernable or borrowing your demi god’s words Armageddon or Zambia to experience mayhem.
      That is why non of the international election observers reported on election being rigged.
      I always wonder what sort of people you are that rejoices in seeing a poor Zambian suffer and you are busy claiming that you are pro poor.

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      It is ironic that the person that ACTUALLY clearly commiited TREASON by not handing over to the Speaker is now trying to persecute someone else on trumped up TREASON charges!!!!!

      The Concourt can easily resolve this issue. It can convene and review its proceedings, decide it mis-directed itself, and agree to start the case from the beginning again.

      But maybe these judges are not clever enough to understand these issues and proceedures.

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      Hearing the petition will test and refine our electoral process,refusing to subject our electoral process to the rule of law is investing in failure that will also catch up with those supporting the nonsense now,ask Mujuru in mugabes country formerly Zimbabwe to confirm how tribalism cant serve you forever.

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      @ 11.4 David,

      You are do ignorant and very easy to deceive by HH and GBM assisted by Nevers.

      There is no requirement for handing over power when a petition is made following round one polls.

      The issue of handing over power to the speaker comes in only when the petition follows round two of elections.

      Just like HH, you must have read the constitution in one hour.

      That is why HH successfully managed to dribble himself using preliminaries as a delay tactic against himself.

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      please quote the articles, clauses, text and sub texts of the constitution that say that…. am interested in making this verification myself not based on biased hearsay

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      Hmmmmm you sound sensible but isn’t it when the incumbent has atie on the first ballot when he hands over power to the speaker? Had wegone for the second ballot yes he should have handed over to speaker. But he got the 50+1 just in the first round. Enlighten me

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    UPND are just cry babies, MMD beat Kaunda in 1991 and PF won in 2011. You need a landslide and not just three provinces.

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    How can UPND accept dialogue when they have nothing to say?

    HH and his UPND are bent merely and purely on causing trouble.

    HH and the UPND have nothing to say, and that is why when they baked their so called petition and filed it in, even themselves had no faith in it – knowing it was merely cooked.

    And so they spent all the legal timeframe frying and braiing preliminaries while the petition which they had baked was just kept without eating it. As a result on the 14th day it stale.

    Even in the current treason case before the courts, the matter is so clearly that they have nothing to say, no defense, thereby resorting once again to preliminaries.

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      HH clearly refused to give way to presidential motorcade, thereby willfully putting the life of the president in danger, so that he is unable to continue to lead the country, thus asuping power from him.

      In conclusion, UPND have never had anything to say, so how can they accept dialogue?

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      Advice…

      It is the west and IMF pushing lungu to diloge not UPND….for lungu to acsses IMF funds he will have to talk to UPND……he will have to end his crackdown on democracy or no funding.

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      @12.2 Spaka like lilo

      “First, respect for the head of state is a cardinal rule in international relations and democracies. The incidents in Western Province appear provocative. It should be possible to combine polite respect, and adherence to Zambian protocol, with disagreement and even legal challenge. I repeat that the UK, along with the rest of the international community, have recognised the Zambian government. “, says the British High Commissioner

      Now, I am wondering which West and IMF are pushing Lungu to dialogue alone when the UPND is not ready to dialogue.

      And from above you can tell that the west values one cardinal element for dialogue:
      “respect for the head of state is cardinal for INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS and Democracy.

      So, UPND must understand that anarchy will…

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      So, UPND must understand that anarchy will not win them favour with the international community. This advice I am giving should normally be paid for but I have given it free to UPND.

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    Mushoka cannot detach herself from sex, which keeps her where she claims to be. It was not a slip of tongue from your heart of hearts about what you know best and live by, SEX. You have no brains for national issues. Period!

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      Judge, you are mistaken. I don’t like people who think or talk like you.

      It was a mistake , lets move o please

      Thanks

      BB2014,2016

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      Judge is completely right. There was no mistake. Just be yourself Mushota. Very men respect a woman who talks and behaves like you. Maybe that is why your nick is taking time

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      Mushota, I am surprised. did you just try to be polite with a bitter cadre? girl I give you props. you have guts.
      forget what they think, they are grabbing for anything at this moment just to save face and remain relevant. from the way the comment I can tell even they no longer have faith in their empty words.

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    @ sinono (1.4) I’m shocked that you want HH and ECL to dialogue as ‘equals’! Wow, allow me to politely say that’s not tenable in Zambia or anywhere else. ECL is a republican President for God’s sake and HH is not different from me … at least from the point of view of the republican constitution. The magnitude of denial UPND has allowed to operate under is not healthy even for themselves!

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      You need to understand a fundamental principle.

      ALL are equal under the LAW.

      Or are you still living in the stone age where “might is right”???

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      It’s not about individuals please. It’s about political parties. They have to treat each other equally. The moment you bring in issue like who is father and who is son to sort out a national problem, then you’ve lost it.

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      David, that’s where you don’t get it. the president is more equal than all of us. that’s why as a president they have a certain amount of immunity by law and you and I don’t. please stop being delusional. what’s your problem? take a tranquilizer dude. stop making a fool of yourself on social media. do you have any idea how ignorant you sound right now?

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    Chipoko is a confused chap. Doesn’t know where he belongs and wants. Rejected by the Zambian people. How can UPND accept results when their case is before the courts. The starting point to dialogue is admission by the PF that the elections were symbolically handled and allow the court process to run its course. Period.

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    Prior to the 2016 elections, UPND made it clear that they will not accept the election results unless in their favour. So, putting the 14days aside, even if the courts allow the case to be heard again (UPND had missed the opportunity by taking to court preliminaries up to when the 14 days elapsed) and the court rules against them, be rest assured, UPND will still not accept defeat.May God save them.

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      @mk

      Do you know how a Court works? In Court it is not the plaintiff or the defendant that decides how it is conducted.

      It is the presiding JUDGES! They are the ones and THE ONLY ONES that determine proceedure.

      If the case was not HEARD in fourteen days it is clearly a failure on THEIR PART!

      No one else!

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      mk. this is a serious case of what in known as shooting oneself in the foot. even when one is arrested, the arresting officer will warn and caution you about what you say because it can and will be used against you in the court of law. so when one speaks of a pre-meditated action publicly and then said action comes to pass whether by their willingness or another, it will be assumed they have done said action because they said they would do so. who are we not to believe what he said about not accepting election results even before the ballot was cast. but I wonder, would he have refused to accept the outcome had he won? his statement sounded so ambigious

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    what is happening to Chipimo? You were coming up very well, whatever got into your way. back to the topic, there is need to understand that a system is like a chain, once one link is broken, the system becomes incomplete and no matter what you do, if that link is not repaired, the system remains dis-functional. this is the biggest problem we have now and no matter how much we would want to run away from the truth, it remains the truth. Way forward, what happened, happened, let the president meet the aggrieved party without setting conditions for that meeting. Since the judiciary failed to hear them, let the president (executive) accord chance for these guys to be heard. Once he has heard them, agree on way forward.

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    NAREP is now on the PF Govt Payroll so Elias Chipimo is singing for his Super. Chipimo is neither a Petitioner nor a Respondent in the Petition Case. So what interests is Chipimo serving? The Petitioners and UPND have stated that they will recognize Lungu as President after their Petition is heard in Court and after the Court declares Lungu Winner of the 2016 Election and duly elected President. The root cause of the problem in Zambia today Iis the Disputed and Petitioned 2016 Election. The main Agenda of the Dialogue sshould be the Petition Hearing. Without the Petition Hearing the Petitioners cannot be expected to recognize an Election Thief as a Legitimate President. Lungu should exonerate himself and prove in Court that he truly won the Election fairly and legally.Lungu’s idea of…

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    If PF and their puppets think they force UPND to accept rigged elections, let them think again. Thieves forcing the owner of the stolen property to accept that they are the rightful owners and at gun point for that matter. NAREP and PF are morally bankrupt and they should not force this on others.

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    “First, respect for the head of state is a cardinal rule in international relations and democracies. The incidents in Western Province appear provocative. It should be possible to combine polite respect, and adherence to Zambian protocol, with disagreement and even legal challenge. I repeat that the UK, along with the rest of the international community, have recognised the Zambian government. “, says the British High Commissioner

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      Respect for the President cannot be the main national agenda this is why we cant progress as a pipo respect is earned not demanded let the president rule the country fairly even with a questionable win the population will accept him but more importantly let him initiate talks with UPND cause its his style of ruling with his FP which is causing the lack of peace.UPND was there b4 PF we did not experience the problems we have now,trouble is PF has not just politicized governance but have also tribilised it and this gives them so much fear to think power can go to someone they have no control over.We could all see the panic last August,how could a party claiming to have worked all over Zambia be so desperate in campaigning.The whole treasury was committed to dununa reverse its not surprising…

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      @ 21.1 dan biloko

      In a democracy recognition and respect for the head of state are at the focal point. This is where everything starts.

      I will be surprised to not that you don’t know that the events in Mongu where HH refused to give way to presidential motorcade were premised on the refusal to acknowledge and respect the Head of State.

      If the Mongu actions actions by HH and the UPND resulted in deaths, such deaths would have be caused by HH’s refusal to acknowledge the head of state.

      The actions that have currently found HH in police custody were born in his mind based on his pride and refusal to accept credits and refuse to respect the Head of State.

      Your thinking is would never be expected ordinarily.

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    CHIPIMO is a known mulyakubili. Remember how he and Nawakwi turned their backs on fellow opposition parties and joined Sata just because he was including them on international trips chewing tax-payers money without any solid justification. Chipimo is a sell-out and very, very inconsistent chap, with no principles. Where was he when PF and its tandem of corrupt judges refused to hear the election petition case within 14-days? Chipimo should be very careful, you can’t eat from both sides.

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      From your submission, it is surely amazing that the UK, the EU and the rest of the international community are all on GRZ payroll.

      I wonder what Felix Mutati is doing, trying to get a loan when Zambia is able to fund the UK, the EU, SADDC, COMESA, AU, and the rest of the international community.

      In short, GRZ has put the entire world on payroll, apart from the UPND.

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    Therre has been research on the birth place of jesus andcapparently it was originally going to be lusaka…….but they couldnt find 3 wise men and a virgin
    Wise men dont carry on like you lot and then there is mushota

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    Rigging an election is one thing. Being recognized as the president is another. Lungu is failing to wring recognition out of UPND.

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    Our nation is currently experiencing serious tension and simmering political turmoil….resulted in unrest and a heavy-handed approach by law enforcement authorities….no amount of brutality can quell a rising tide of anger and resentment……uncaring leadership enriching itself at the expense of the masses.
    Our nation is convulsed with the treason trial….there is no excuse for not upholding the law & respecting our national institutions, but there can be no legal justification for the charge of treason leveled against the leader of the main opposition party in Zambia for failing to abide by police directives to give way to a presidential motorcade.
    The treason drama will play itself out (and play itself out it will to the ultimate embarrassment of those who came up with up the…

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    In Europe tererrists are useing motor vehicles to kill innocent people,so who news the motive behind not giving way to the presidential motorcade,only them the undp can tell?

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    Jesus did not give conditions when HE came on earth and HE died for all to show love for all. JESUS has no sin and sought us without asking us to recognize HIM first as GOD and the Redeemer. Today JESUS still pleads for us…..
    Those in leadership must act as JESUS and meet anyone without any conditions.
    My Excellency, President Edgar Lungu be wary of Praise singers….. They have a interest to serve…….
    Remember King Jehoshaphat and King Ahab when they wanted to go for war. Many Praise Prophets told them they will succeed but Prophet MICAH spoke differently and was jailed…. The results were according to MICAH…..Ba President, I plead that you do as JESUS did to us…Talk to all as JESUS talk to everyone even the Pharisees…..
    We are clay and JESUS the potter

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    ECL SHOULD NOT DIALOGUE WITH UPND BECAUSE THERE IS NO BASIS FOR DIALOGUE. THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT THAT FORCES THE WINNER TO DIALOGUE WITH THE LOSERS. AND IN ANY CASE YOU DO’NT DIALOGUE ON EVERYTHING EVEN IMPOSSIBILITIES. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CANNOT ASK GOD AND THE DEVIL TO DIALOGUE OVER POWER SHARING, JUST BECAUSE THE DEVIL DISPUTES THE AUTHORITY OF GOD. I MEAN, ONE PLUS ONE EQUALS TWO. BUT THEN SOMEONE SAYS IT IS EQUAL TO SEVEN. WHAT DIALOGUE ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE WHICH WILL CONVERT TWO TO SEVEN? AND EVEN IN DIALOGUE YOU DO NOT STRIP YOURSELF OF YOUR CREDENTIALS. PRESIDENCE IS BESTOWED BY THE VOTERS AND ANNOUNCED BY THE ECZ THEN CONFERRED BY THE CHIEF JUSTICE. PERIOD. NOT BY DIALOGUE. IF ECL HAS TO DIALOGUE HIS PRESIDENCEY THEN HE NEEDS TO CONSULT ALL THE VOTERS FROM THE 6.5…

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    This man is a fool (chipimo), he is acting like cader,not a political leader, the petition must be heard, and all the political prisoner must be released. Don’t put conditions on the dialogue.

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    Chipimo has just exposed his wrong thinking! And this guy is a President of a Party?

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    I always suspected Mushota was a man, check [email protected] above, and quote”

    “Please accept the erection like we all have”

    It all makes sense now, so she is a gay and has rented her backside where it stinks and never shines to Nick, the last King of Scotland to pummel as he wishes. You bet she is now walking with a limp and stooped like Kenneth Kaunda because of the “backside” action she is receiving from Nick and any others who aren’t of the straight inclination sexually. Ka mambala number 1 wa supuka!

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    PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE CHEATED. A PARTY LIKE UPND HAS AN AGENDA, A PROGRAMME TO INSTALL A TONGA PRESIDENT IN STATE HOUSE. PERIOD. ALL THE REST OF THE THINGS ARE MERE RHETORIC. UPND KNOW THAT THE ELECTIONS WERE NOT RIGGED. IT IS ONLY THAT THEIR PLANS TO TAKE OVER THE PRESIDENCY OF ZAMBIA WAS NOT IN THEIR FAVOUR. THEY TRIED THEIR BEST TO VOTE EN-MASS IN DUNDUMWEZI STYLE. BUT IT NEVER WORKED. AND IT WAS SORT OF EMBARRASSING FOR THEM BECAUSE ECL WAS A NOVICE AND NEW COMER WHO ONLY CAMPAIGNED FOR A MONTH INITIALLY TO DEFEAT HH. BUT THE SECOND DEFEAT WAS EVEN MORE EMBARRASSING, PAINFUL AND SHAMEFUL. AFTER CHASING EMPTY ECZ TRUCKS, CHASING PLANES. IT NEVER WORKMEANT TO DISCREDIT ECZED. STORIES ABOUT MAUREEN MWANAWASA FINDING BALLOT PAPERS THROWN IN A BIN, OR MUSHIPE PRESENTING A MAN WHO VOTED FIVE…

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    Those who seek to undermine the will of the people must be dealt with firmly. The sovereignty of our countries suffer from external politics. They sponsor opposition political parties to push for a regime change.Zambia must continue to be a country of law and order, and anyone who wants to bring confusion must be dealt with firmly,the UPND behaves in a thuggery and criminal manner, and government must not tolerate it.
    “Do not bow down to imperialist forces. Look at what happened to Libya, Egypt, Tunisia and those nations in the north. Now they have come to target us in the SADC region. Stand up against them,” Youths must voice out. There can be nothing for us without us. So stand up for our President and speak for ECL because he means well for this country

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    Chaps like you should just shut up. The election petition hearing was blocked at every stage and this is normal according to you. We have the most corrupt judiciary and that is normal for you. Tell your stupid friends in PF to respect the rule of law, restore democracy and stop thieving. Get a life.

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    @Chisenga: The Zambian Constitution does not disqualify any TRIBE from becoming President of Zambia. Let’s practice politics of love for Neighbour regardless of their tribe or political affiliation. As many have commented on this forum, the solution to this problem is simple: the Courts must hear and determine the presidential petition. The Concourt misdirected itself in handling the petition, we can not put the blame on the petitioners for failing to have their petition heard within 14 days.

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      @Kgosi: NO TRIBE IS DISQUALIFIED FROM STANDING FOR PRESIDENCY. MY CONTENTION IS THAT UPND IS OBSESSED WITH “PUTTING A TONGA IN STATE HOUSE, AT ALL COSTS” AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM. IN SHORT ALL THEY ARE LOOKING FOR IS THEIR TRIBE ONLY AND NO ONE ELSE. OTHERS ARE BAD. ONLY A TONGA .AND ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS A TONGA FOR PRESIDENT THEY WILL LIKE HIM. I LOVE THE TONGAS, BUT I DISLIKE THE ATTITUDE OF UPND. I THINK WE CAN DISTINGUISH THE TWO. THIS TONGA TAG IS STILL HOVERING OVER UPND. AND UNLESS UPND WORKS VERY HARD TO REMOVE IT, IT WILL NEVER WALK THE CORRIDORS OF POWER IN ZAMBIA. LOOK AT THE TONGA COLOURS IN THE FOLLOWING:
      1. AT THE DEMISE OF MAZOKA WE WERE TOLD BY THE GURUS OF UPND THAT ONLY A TONGA CAN REPLACE MAZOKA.
      2. THE MANAGEMENT TEAM OF UPND IS PREDOMINANTLY TONGA
      3. ALMOST THE…

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    From brilliance to sheer carderism. That what we seeing now. Dialogue is putting things of concern on the table not telling people what you think they should hear. The causes of current impasse should be the ones on the agenda and not putting condition to accept results that are deemed fraudulent . Allow the proper judicial discourse and stop the arbitrary persecution of opposition members and allow them space to meet their supporters. Stop this nonsense of putting condition for dialogue . That is not dialogue

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    Shut up chipimo! Who are you to talk about that? H.H. won elections not Lungu who is supposed to accept the results? Definitely it is Lungu. Useless president!

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    Te aba ba GBM who used to refer to HE ECL ati ka Lungu. Now, he is even scared to mention HE ECL is his posting. It does not pay to be arrogant and rude

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    Acceptance of a rigged election, cannot be, must not be, the starting point.

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    LusakaTimes pick contributors to their media outlet selectively that suit their pro PF agenda. Simultaneously, pick a few impartial non partisan articles to effect balancing journalism. This is well known by most bloggers. Here, Elias Chipimo of Narep, who many bloggers describe as a PF satellite party since the days of late Sata has sided with the ruling PF party and Lungu for publicity is given a media outlet by LT. The church, civil societies and all those who have called for dialogue talked of opposition leaders and Edgar Lungu of PF to dialogue. Chipimo is his article as masquerading as opposition leader of Narep when in fact is a PF mouth piece outside but in side. To LT this is a fitting article and defines your moral journalism of partisanship.

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    I wonder whether this boy would have said the same thing if he is the one who was so badly cheated and then blocked from petitioning the outcome of such a flawed election! You know, I would understand if he was a lousy lawyer trained at UNZA like Lungu or Fube, but for a lawyer Clipimo like him or Sakwiba who learnt their ropes ar Cambridge, he is overly cavalier and this is most shameful indeed. I reckon na buchongololo bwakwe he does not understand the real meaning of the Bemba expression “Ubumfumu buchingika Umwine”. Lungu cannot force people to respect or recognise him until he learns that elections are won fair and square to inspire respect. Look at What Lungu did to Sampa? He has a persistent history of cheating and respect does not come from such shameful conduct at the polls.

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    Iwe Ka Chipimo leave this unfortunate tragedy of victimising Tongas & political persecution of HH to the Easterners. Kampyongo, Sunday Chanda, Amos Chanda, Mumbi Phiri, Davies Chama (Mushota , an LT editor fishing for a diplomatic post from PF as a press attache) are too dull to know that they are being used the same way Kambwili was used to attack Tongas. Have you ever heard Dora Siliya, Kaizer Zulu or Inonge opening their mouths carelessly on this issue yet they are chief enjoyers! I thought you were wise but obviously NOT! Ba Kapwepwe died a little for KK. He even gave KK, Bemba ethnicity & a clan of abena Bowa, but where did he end up?
    Despite their friendship from childhood, Kapwepwe and Kaunda drifted apart after leading Zambia to independence. In 1967 Kapwepwe led a rebellion…

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    within UNIP. He stood against Reuben Kamanga and won the position of deputy leader of UNIP. (Kapwepwe won because of support from Tonga because our so called Mbuyas voted “Kumawa Umodzi”. As a consequence, Kaunda promoted him to the position of Vice President. He used his new position to put forward economic policies that differed from Kaunda’s, but his views were sidelined. He also campaigned for the preservation of Zambian culture through the teaching of indigenous languages in schools. In August 1969, he offered to resign from the Vice Presidency as well as the deputy leadership of UNIP. This move was precipitated by tribal friction within UNIP. Source: Wikipedia
    Kapwepwe’s life in UNIP began drawing to an end when he was linked with rumours of a new party called the United…

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    United Progressive Party (UPP) that had been formed on the Copperbelt. He did not own up until Kaunda dismissed four cabinet ministers on suspicion of being clandestine members of the new party. In August 1971, Kapwepwe resigned from UNIP and the government and announced that he was, indeed, the leader of UPP. In December 1971 he won a by-election for the Mufulira West constituency, and became his party’s sole representative in parliament. Kaunda was not pleased with this development. So, on 4 February 1972, he banned UPP and imprisoned 122 members of the party, including Kapwepwe. Kaunda’s excuse was that UPP was an instrument of the Rhodesian, South African and Portuguese governments, which favoured White minority rule. Kapwepwe was kept in prison until 31 December 1972. By then,…

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    By then, Kaunda backed by strong political ties with China (The Chinese were critical of European colonial rule of African territories,therefore, sided with a number of African freedom fighters like Kaunda during the liberation struggles for independence. see Taylor, 2006 for an analysis of Sino-African relationship) had neutralized any threat that Kapwepwe could pose: the Chona Commission, under the chairmanship of Mainza Chona, was appointed in February 1972 to make recommendations for the constitution of a ‘one-party participatory democracy’ (i.e. a one-party state). After collecting four months of public hearings, the commission’s report was submitted to Kaunda in October 1972. The Second Republic (i.e., the one-party state) was inaugurated on 1 January 1973, the day after Kapwepwe…

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    the day after Kapwepwe was released from detention. Source: Wikipedia
    Kapwepwe was harassed even after he had been politically emasculated. He was arrested in February 1973 for illegal possession of two guns. He received a two-years suspended sentence. The UNIP-controlled Zambian media reported that Kapwepwe had sent people for military training outside Zambia. He sued the Zambia Broadcasting Services, the Times of Zambia and the Zambia Daily Mail for libel and won when he proved that they had made false reports. Source: Wikipedia
    Kapwepwe turned his back on politics and went to live on his farm in Chinsali. In the spirit of national unity, Kaunda asked Kapwepwe to return to UNIP in September 1977, which he did. To test his erstwhile friend’s sincerity, Kapwepwe stood for the 1978…

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    , Kapwepwe stood for the 1978 UNIP’s one-party presidential nomination against Kaunda. He was disqualified by last-minute changes to UNIP’s constitution. He retired for good from politics and returned to Chinsali. He died on 26 January 1980, after suffering from a stroke two days earlier. Source: Wikipedia
    In 1991, FTJ was voted for, by 8 of the then 9 provinces of Zambia (including the Tongas, Lozis and Kaondes/Lundas/Luvales of Southern, Western and NW, Zambia except the Easterners (your so called Mbuyas/ MMD supporter were being burnt alive in their village huts in Eastern province). These Easterners remained UNIP & FDD until RB was hijacked into MMD by LPM. Your so called Mbuyas did not support Sata in 2011 except for a single seat in Chama South (now Muchinga) under Effron Lungu…

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    . Now the entire Eastern province is suddenly PF because Edgar Lungu from the East is in the seat! There is tribalism in Zambia (we are all guilty of this sad state of affairs) but the dimension this tribalism has taken under Lungu is unprecedented! We the people from the North been used by these “Malawians” at the expense of national unity & real democracy. Please leave the majority voiceless rural Bemba speakers out of the impending civil strife. Leave it to the Easterners to sort it out with the Tongas. Napwisha mukwai!

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    He spoke sense on the one hand advocating acceptance of electrol results as starting point of dialog, then ruined with an on the other hand scenario, by suggesting the treason charges will fail.

    If you are a man advocating peaceful gov’t don’t at the same time setup for anarchy.

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    A precedence should never be set where illegitimacy becomes a norm in this country. As a lawyer EC should know that that legacy could set a very bad trend in a nation where honesty and integrity should be the values sort after.
    It is not one man affected actually, it is a collective agreement and the man speaks for the voiceless. Honesty and integrity in leadership should be encouraged.
    Just look at the confusion in the country. Where is the mistake? The president’s inner circle is earning him a very bad reputation and if He does not do anything about it He will have himself to blame.
    Remember that someone was found with a lot of letter headed paper presigned by the president and if that is not cause for alarm then I don’t how naive one could be.

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    If one wants to prove that PF is full of empty tins, just look at their comments!

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    @Tondo, a few Bembas put their intelligence to good use, majority of them merely opportunistic and in the current Zambian politics they are ponies on the chess board used by Lungu who is not even an Easterner.

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    Quote from Eklias Chipimo: “there can be no legal justification for the charge of treason leveled against the leader of the main opposition party in Zambia for failing to abide by police directives to give way to a presidential motorcade.”
    Chipimo must be living in dream land. How can he trivialize such a serious incident to a mere traffic infraction? Is this how dull he is? Has he ever seen how seriously Americans and other countries take their presidential motorcades? What was he going to say if ECL died in an accident, going by the unruly behaviour of those cadres we saw in the video?

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    Quote from Elias Chipimo: “there can be no legal justification for the charge of treason leveled against the leader of the main opposition party in Zambia for failing to abide by police directives to give way to a presidential motorcade.”
    Chipimo must be living in dream land. How can he trivialize such a serious incident to a mere traffic infraction? Is this how dull he is? Has he ever seen how seriously Americans take their presidential motorcades? What was he going to say if ECL died in an accident, going by the unruly behaviour of those cadres we saw in the video?

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