Tuesday, March 19, 2024

President Lungu must pay back all the Ministers’ salaries and allowances-Kambwili

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CHISHIMBA Kambwili has said that President Edgar Lungu must be made to pay back all the salaries and allowances his ministers received after parliament was dissolved ahead of last year’s general elections because he is the one who forced them to stay in office illegally.

The Constitutional Court on Friday maintained that the 64 ministers who stayed in office after Parliament was dissolved last year must pay back the money they were receiving during the period they illegally occupied their positions.

Mr Kambwili, the Roan PF member of parliament who served as Information Minister said that he respected the Constitutional Court’s decision but that it was President Lungu who should be made to pay for forcing the ministers to stay in office against constitutional provisions.

Mr Kambwili said maintained that President Lungu misled his ministers and should therefore “bite the bullet” and pay because he was the one who issued the directive to them.

“I respect the ruling of the ConCourt but speaking on behalf of the ministers, it should be President Edgar Lungu who should be able to pay back because ministers did not remain in office by themselves; they were instructed by the appointing authority. And the appointing authority at that time was the President Lungu,” Kambwili said.

Mr Kambwili demanded that gratuity be paid to the affected ministers as they had rendered a service to the Zambian people but maintained that no one stayed in office on their own accord but through a directive from President Lungu.

“No Minister decided in his individual capacity that they should remain in office; we were directed by the Head of State and if the Head of State misdirected us, he should bear the consequences, so it should be President Edgar Lungu to pay and not the ministers. In any case, as ministers, we demand that they pay the gratuity for those four months because we worked; there is no one who gives a service for nothing. I was leaving to go to work and attend to government activities, that was not for free, I cannot do it for free,” Kambwili said.

“In that four months, I could have done my own things that could have made a difference in my life but I had to stick in my office and do government work. I deserve to be paid my gratuity for the four months and those payments must be settled by State House and not the Minister.”

He said it would be unfair to ask ministers to pay the money when they had not forced their stay in office.

“It will be very, very unfair to ask individual Ministers to pay because we did not remain in office on our own, we remained in office by virtue of an instruction from the Head of State who boasts to be a lawyer and a renowned lawyer, according to himself. So if he is a lawyer worth the salt, he should bite the bullet for misinforming and misdirecting Cabinet, that’s what I can say. I respect the decision of the court. We should not be seen to be disagreeing with the decisions of the court but all I am saying is that it should be President Edgar Lungu to pay back,” said Kambwili

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    • That’s what we said, that guys like Monde and Shamunene had no choice but to report to state house.
      I remember Kambwili saying same that he will continue reporting to meetings until cabinet is dissolved.

    • Zambia lacks leadership… at the moment, everyone including the opposition are not fit for office.

      People fit for office have stayed away and unfortunately for that reason qualified themselves to be unfit. It’s a viscous circle.

      Remember the street kids created as a result of failing companies in the last years of Kaunda and early years of Chiluba? THEY ARE the ones running the show now… even those of inferior education emanating from the 1980s when apparently educational standards took a nose dive are now in the thick of things in government awarding themselves government deals and embezzling resources with no conscious of the economic implications.

      That ladies and gentlemen is the state of the nation.

    • I remember lungu mocking zambians that they don’t read, claiming that the new constitution allows those ministers to continue getting paid,,

    • Kambwili summarized it well and doesn’t need further comments: “So if he is a lawyer worth the salt, he should bite the bullet for misinforming and misdirecting Cabinet, that’s what I can say.”

      So who is a good lawyer, is its Zambians that ECL mocked that they don’t read the constitution or him as a qualified lawyer that read the constitution but misunderstood it?

    • Lungu does not have money to pay back so much money drank by his ministers through salaries, allowances, travelling and political canvassing.

    • A crook like Kambwili can never speak sense! However a strong appeal to the President time is ticking the longer you keep Kampyongo, Dora and Mutati the more damage these people will do and the one who will suffer is you Sir, when you lose 2021 where will these crooks be? They will dissapear and you will be left to pick up the broken pieces Sir! Fire these 3 demons and there will be progress in the land!

    • Kambwili is dull. Hiw can you say tge appointing authority told me. Don’t you have a mind of your own to know what is right or wrong? In law, this excuse doesn’t hold. You chewed the money alone so pay it back bwana.

    • In my view, the Concourt should have addressed the Clause 3e of article 116 in the Constitution on which the Ministers based their continued stay in office:

      (3) The office of Minister becomes vacant if:-
      (a) the Minister is removed from office by the President;
      (b) theMinister resigns, by notice in writing to the President;
      (c) in the case of a nominated Member of Parliament, the nomination is revoked;
      (d) the Minister dies;
      (e) another person assumes the office of President; or
      (f) theMinister has a mental or physical disability that makes the Minister incapable of performing the functions of that office.

      No where does it say if Parliament is dissolved, even the Ministerial position ceases, except for nominated members in c.

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    • Chishimba Kambwili is talking from his pocket. He is afraid or too greedy to pay back so he wants to put the blame on somebody else.
      BA KAMBWILI LEAVE THE PF AND LET THERE BE AN ELECTION TO SHOWN HOW POPULAR YOU REALLY ARE. YOU SHOULD EVEN PAY BACK THE SALARY YOU ARE GETTING AS MP BECAUSE YOU ARE DOING SO ILLEGALLY.

    • Kambwili should stop to be Hypocritical if he wants Zambian people to take him seriously. The ministers are very selfish, they knew that they were not supposed to be in office but stayed just to get salaries and allowances. They should just pay back than being irresponsible.

  1. I have told you people, lungu is an illigal lawyer specialising in illigal activities….he spent his time studying and his professional life looking at bending the rules and operating in Gray areas……..he is the type of lawyer whos speciality is getting crookes and theifs off the hook of the law..

    • Mugabe’s son in law, Simba Chikore has quit his job at the national airliner, Air Zimbabwe.
      The development comes as his father-in-law is forced out of office.

    • Sometimes Presidents do make decisions that are overturned/overruled by the Courts later. This is NOT unique to Zambia, President Lungu, or having studied Law. President Obama studied Law and was once a Conversational Professor, yet in his time as President he made certain decisions and policies that we’re later reversed by the Courts. There are plenty other former and current Presidents in similar circumstances. Nothing unique about Edgar Lungu. By the way, State House Counsel usually give direction to the President on such matters….but still Courts can see it differently….Democracy and Separation of Powers at work for you!

    • Yambayamba

      As a lawyer Mr lungu should have known it was illigal to keep using and paying ministers with GRZ funds to campaign for him after dissolution of parliament.. .

    • @ spaka the law is only interpreted by the court of law and not lawyers. Lawyers onlu hold particular opinions which they present to court. Only the courts have the jurisidiction of what is wrong or right. Lawyer Lungu’s opinion is subject to interpretation by courts. There is nothing sinister otherwise lawyers like Lungu would be ruling the country based on his opinions.

    • @2.5 Amagenge: I like your viewpoint but I think it is over-simplification to imply only the judges know what is right or wrong. You are expected to know the law also. They say ignorance is no defense.

  2. If Chishimba Kambwili really respect the ruling of the ConCourt, then he should just pay back money and stop giving silly excuses!

    • Surely you can see how low of caliber Kambwili is. VJ was mentioned in the Zamtroop scandal and despite his tainted history, he surrendered all the money FTJ had given him. Kambwili should just do the same.

    • “Kambwili should JUST pay…” This argument does not add value to the debate. It is symptomatic of lethargy of the mind.

      Lungu’s mistake is unprecedented in Zambia. The only defense he has is, his mistake was made in an effort to discharge his duties as president. But even that has a comeback.

      Point: Learn how to debate meaningfully.

  3. LT how do the rantings of a retarded mental patient make headline news?
    CK is a lost F0OL, what value can he add to our lives?
    He’s a dull basturd not worthy of our readership

  4. No kidding! Never heard of a situation where a Head of State “loses a case” in Court by virtue of discharging his/her Constitutional duties and he/she is made to pay personally. Presidents can NEVER be sued while in office whether they make a wrong decision or not. That is what “Presidential Immunity” entails.

    By the way, I thought it is Ministers who were sued in their individual capacities, and not the President!

    Although CK has sort of made a compelling case for why the Court should not have forced these Ministers to refund/pay back the money, I still feel the President can not be blamed for it…. Presidents have to make decisions whether Courts overrules them later.

    To me; that’s why the ruling by the Court is somewhat troubling.

    • Presidents or president?
      The EFF has taken KZ to caught and he was found wanting. The Public protector has found JZ in the wrong most of the time and he’s been told to pay back.

      What Zambia needs is an independent judiciary. We can also do with a public protector office.

  5. Ba Kambwili, you’re able to fly to London for a cup of tea and back to Lusaka for Nshima with vimbombo, just pay naimwe bosses. It’s only 4 months pay bakalamba. Lead the way, show them how it’s done.

  6. In essence CK is telling us most Ministers can’t reason for themselves.. so last year when they were overstaying in office did it not ever occur to any of them that it was a plunder of national resources to stay on in office beyond the legsl requirement.

    Do these people have no integrity? Is Edgar Chagwa “it has fallen” Lungu their brain?

    They could have resigned when forced to take part in an illegality by the head of state as CK put it’s it, because by and large most Ministers aren’t children who can’t reason for themselves and act independently, unless I’m mistaken.

  7. “we remained in office by virtue of an instruction from the Head of State who boasts to be a lawyer and a renowned lawyer, according to himself…
    When did Lungu become a renowned lawyer?
    Renowned lawyers have post-nominal letters (SC) after their names

  8. Poor leadership skills ba Kambwili.

    Take your time always to let issues sink.Reflect,consult,discuss.
    Don’t be quick to comment and make demands.
    Sooner or later you will eat your words like you have done on numerous occasions.

  9. Thankfully this decision of Constitutional Court is revealing true colours of some people we vote for. How can a leader say ‘I can’t work for free’? Political leadership demands that a leader should be selfless in the discharge of duties & remuneration is only a bonus. With this attitude of trying to get something 1st out of political leadership there is no way a country can develop. Politics is about service to the people & country 1st. If a leader can’t sacrifice 4 mints out of 60 months of pay then there is a problem. God Bless Zambia

    • Well, the problem is those who vote for such “leaders” and those who then abhor them in office when they are not supposed to.

  10. @ Beyond Reproach – very true. What a mockery Zambia is… Honestly, where are the future leaders, where are we? Relegated to criticising – pu55y cats!!!

  11. The Attorney General had advised Lungu not to keep the ministers in office after parliament was dissolved. But typical of a lunatic, Lungu disobeyed his own Attorny General and ordered the minsters to get back to their offices to work during the run-up to elections.
    My take is that Lungu is no fit to be president of Zambia due to a combination of these things: low intelligence, poor intellectual capacity to comprehend things, poor management abilities, poor understanding of the roles of a state president, poor handling of cases of thefts and corruption among all his followers, selective application of freedom of speech and freedom of association, and his inability to articulate any national vision critical in unifying the country.

    • Lungu knows exactly what he doing….he just has zero morality and integrity and operates in Gray areas bordering on criminality….

  12. President Lungu interpreted the law with regards Ministers remaining in office after parliament dissolution. He made public statements in his capacitu as a distinguished lawyer. General Miyanda, a lay person challenged the president the learned lawyer he did not listen because he and Freedom Sikazwe interpreted the constitution to suit them. Lawyer president Lungu, his poltical advisers Kaizer and Freedom cannot walk with heads up today its a national embarrassment to have a president lawyer who misleads his cabinet. Brigadier Miyanda is far better at law than some of thse lawyers. We wait to hear how Amos Chanda will twist what his boss said to save him from shame.

    • Lungu does not feel shame……he has zero integrity, if he can accept to be called a corrupt theif daily, you think anything can change him ??

    • Imwr his interpretation like of any other lawyer is not valid until the Court say so. That is why we have judges. The are thw only ones whose interpretations become law not individual lawyers.

  13. Fellow Zambians, if one is forced to commit a crime, who gets charged? In this case, even if state house allegedly asked the ministers to stay, each minister had a choice to make either to obey the law or the pay master. As usual, they choose to ignore the law and so they are individually liable for staying longer. So no gratuity for CK or any other. They must pay back all monies including the per diem they may have received. This is a litmus test for CK!! Do the right thing bwana CK and move on!!

  14. I am just watching live coverage of what is happening in Zimbabwe. The ZANU – PF has dismissed Mugabe as leader of the Party and has given him 24 hours to resign as President of Zimbabwe. Emmerson Mnangagwa is more likely to be appointed in his place.
    Back home, Kambwili is a Member of Parliament and as such he must know the laws he makes in Parliament. The Government proposes a bill and for the bill to become law, it must have approval of MPs. Kambwili, from a lawmaker to a lawbreaker. He should have left office when his time was up to do so as per constitution, not according to Lungu. He just has to pay back the money.

  15. but ck was part of cabinet ministers. let him just pay back also

    u5 has hired a very useless attack dog

    this chap grabbed a goaf course and put his animals for grazing just like u5 in namwala

    when asked by steven on hardtalk u5 argued why out of many only him was singled out and arrested in mongu

    would you say u5 is intelligent. do you argue why police arrested you alone yet you were many on that day stealing

    u5 is childish
    arrogant
    pompuss
    tribal
    tax evader
    egoistic
    self centred
    stole through privatisation
    namwala ethnic cleasing

    he will never rule zambia because he goes to poll with 3 provinces

    • Iwee *****, this has nothing to do with HH. What has HH done to you for you to hate him so much. The privatization issue is a dead one iwee *****. Why not take him to court imwee ba kabwa.

  16. Lungu was sworn in to uphold the CONSTITUTION OF ZAMBIA. He deliberately chose to abrogate the constitution. What is the penalty for that offence? In Zambia, nothing happens because all the illiterates think that he is above the law. It is a criminal offence not to uphold what you are sworn to. Lungu should have been part of the illegality of Ministers staying in office.

  17. I have followed Kambwili for sometime now.
    He believes he is superman and takes Zambians for granted.
    If he is not a Zombie as he claims,and if he accepts the ruling of the concourt ,let him be on his way to pay back the money.
    As for the President,he did what he did and its water under the bridge.
    Maybe he got the decision right from a political perspective.
    From a legal point of view,they knew very well what they were doing and opted to test drive the new constitution.

  18. Don’t say Zambians for granted, mention yourself as not in support for CK. He has a huge following and there are many many people that are behind him. So don’t underrate him

  19. That day will come for Lungu, when he will dance Pelete for abuse of the constitution, just look over the border and see what is happening to big Bob!

  20. “No Minister decided in his individual capacity that they should remain in office; we were directed by the Head of State….he misdirected us, he should bear the consequences, so it should be …Lungu to pay and not the ministers. In any case, as ministers, we demand that they pay the gratuity for those four months because we worked; there is no one who gives a service for nothing. I was leaving to go to work and attend to gov’t activities, that was not for free, I cannot do it for free,” Kambwili said.
    There you have it …this is the appalling leaders we have in Zambia as stated above by this BUFFOON CK,these people have no principles whatsoever; they will do anything even if it means breaking the law…he is further reinforcing the fact that they are in gov’t to eat not serve…

    • eat not serve….when you see these tins lining up on the airport tarmac at 22:00hrs waiting for the lazy moron to land remember the above statement….they are paid for everything in allowances!!

  21. Ba Chimbwili ignorance has no defence. If you knew it was wrong you would have resigned and tell the appointing authority what you are telling us. Just because you have jumped to another boat? Just pay back the money my brother or you bankcrupt?

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  23. And this is the hyena who wants to be Zambian president?amazing.
    I didnt know Kambwili is this dull.just pay back our money CK.in law your reasons do not make any sense.you cant say i killed because my boss forced me to kill-never!!Kabwili is above 18 years so he knows what is wrong and right.if his boss was wrong,CK and other ministers could have controlled H.E.Edgar Lungu!!moreover,anybody in life can make a mistake whether a medical doctor,lawyer,accountant,engineer,etc,so no need to blame ECL here!!
    Look,Kambwili has put it open here that he cant work for free.SO ALL THESE POLITICIANS (HH,GBM,CK,those in power) SHOULD NOT CHEAT YOU THAT THEY ARE IN OFFICE TO PROVIDE A SERVICE-NEVER!!IT IS TO MAKE MONEY FOR THEMSELVES!!!
    In short,Kambwili should just pay back he got paid!!

  24. CK is 100% right. The most intelligent lawyer at state house is to blame for the stay of ministers in office when cabinet was dissolved. If he is not responsible, as a head of state why didnt he order them to vacate office? Why did ministry of finance continue giving them salaries and allowances without authority? Where was the Ps when these ministers were being paid illegally? Those talking against CK are just 100% cadres who live on hand outs.

  25. @1.11 D’Kap, I will repeat your argument for those U.n.Donkis that deliberately choose not to read:
    “In my view, the Concourt should have addressed the Clause 3e of article 116 in the Constitution on which the Ministers based their continued stay in office:

    (3) The office of Minister becomes vacant if:-
    (a) the Minister is removed from office by the President;
    (b) theMinister resigns, by notice in writing to the President;
    (c) in the case of a nominated Member of Parliament, the nomination is revoked;
    (d) the Minister dies;
    (e) another person assumes the office of President; or
    (f) theMinister has a mental or physical disability that makes the Minister incapable of performing the functions of that office.

    No where does it say if Parliament is dissolved, even the…

  26. ……..”No where does the Constitution say if Parliament is dissolved, even the Ministerial position ceases, except for nominated members in c.”….

  27. But this is typical of U.pnDonkis to choose only that which pleases them and ignore or deliberately hide the facts which stare them in their faces. Same as their under5. For example the other day under5 expressed his contempt of SADC/African leaders who overstay in office until they are kicked out. He was referring to Robert Mugabe. But look who was talking. Since under5 was appointed in 2006, he has not subjected himself to elections, in 2011 and in 2016. Clearly another African tinpot dictator, another Mugabe in the making and the Donkis do not see anything wrong. In another Mugabe style, from his recent statement “our party” ( me and Mutinta), we see another Grace Mugabe in the making. Fortunately Zambians are now so politically savvy that tuma under5 cannot cheat them anymore, even…

  28. Kambwili is talking about him and others receiving illegal salaries.Why should Edgar pay them gratuity based on wrongfully paid amounts?Kambwili should think before opening his foul mouth.A doctor who is refusing to understand straight issues.Shame.Let us not allow such to ascend to positions of power or near.

  29. …. Fortunately Zambians are now so politically savvy that tuma under5 cannot cheat them anymore, not even and especially the marketeers.
    You tell me the provincial chairpersons/secretaries etc of Up.nDonkis and I will tell you that none of them is an elected official. Well, read on, I am about to share with you what Article 60 of the Constitution says about internal democracy in political parties.

  30. Article 60 (2): A political party shall –
    (a) promote the values and principles specified in this Constitution
    (b) have a national character
    (c) promote and uphold national unity
    (d) PROMOTE AND PRACTICE DEMOCRACY THROUGH REGULAR, FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS WITHIN THE PARTY
    (e)respect the right of its members to participate in the affairs of the political party
    Etc etc
    Now tell me which of these requirements has Up.nDonkis or under5 practised? When I tell you that these Donkis and their under5 cannot teach (or cheat) anyone about democracy, I hope you now understand. In fact they are in breach and should be punished or banned from all political activity. We sorted out law breaker Mmembe didn’t we?

  31. Please give CK a break, don’t you know that in Zambia starting from the President his ministers, civil service and the police EARN salaries and allowances for punishing the people??

  32. The most logical thing is that the Ministry of Finance should work out how much each affected Minister and deputy minister are supposed to pay back and then deduct from their gratuity(whether from parliament or cabinet,afterall it is all government money). The problem with some leaders is that just because they are overall bosses they think they know it all. The Attorney-General made it clear to him that don’t keep your ministers in office after parliament has been dissolved. Am not a supporter of kambwili but I think here he’s right by kindly asking the President to pay back as he’s the one who kept them in office

  33. And the buffoon wants to rule us when he can’t even accept a simple responsibility such paying back money wrongly taken. Even his campaigns don’t carry any message for us other than threatening how he’ll deal with ka Edgar his party forms government. Meanwhile he can’t openly announce that he’s president of NDC for fear of not only losing his Roan seat but also the much needed parliamentary allowances and perks. Really dishonest and crooked.

  34. CK should own up.He is failing shot of the requirements of a principled Leader. ELC can make a directive but its up to Cabinet to endorse or advise the President as espected by Voters.CK’s outburst is clear indication of leadership crisis the country is facing.The problem of Zambian Ministers is that instead of helping the president,they go to cabinet meetings just to listen to him like from a radio,singing praise songs for him and draw huge allowance.This is a result.So let them own up.

  35. Orders came from the president that all cabinet minsters must report for work. They relied on him as a lawyer and president. He made pronouncement and mocked people that they don’t ready. Any minister who would have refused to report for duty would have been labelled rebellious or insubordinate and possibly expelled from the party. It was a matter of being royal to the boss (president). If the likes of Kambwili would have refused to attend cabinet meeting he would have been accused of have presidential ambitions. In other words the presidential orders for ministers to remain in office without referring the matter to the court for interpretation was negligence on the party of the president and breach of the constitution.

  36. Indeed, it is important to invoke the provisions in the Constitution to avoid making decisions based on
    personal feelings. What D’Kap and Terrible have indicated is exactly what the Constitution is saying. However, it seems the Concourt used a matter of ‘coincidence’ in deciding that since Parliament was dissolved, and ministers were appointed from among members of Parliament, to the Concourt, it went without saying that ministers ceased to hold their ministerial positions.
    To me, if this was indeed the intention of the supreme law of the land, the Constitution, it should have come out clearly that among the grounds for the position of minister falling vacant is dissolution of Parliament.

  37. @ 42, off-course they don’t ready that is including you. If they do why are they ignoring this which is part of the constitution?
    (3) The office of Minister becomes vacant if:-
    (a) the Minister is removed from office by the President;
    (b) the Minister resigns, by notice in writing to the President;
    (c) in the case of a nominated Member of Parliament, the nomination is revoked;
    (d) the Minister dies;
    (e) another person assumes the office of President; or
    (f) the Minister has a mental or physical disability that makes the Minister incapable of performing the functions of that office.

  38. lemba – Please hold your ignorance and stop calling others that they don’t read like Lungu did. Read the old constitution and refer to the amendments. The problem of cooking the constitution has hit them. The initial proposal was that cabinet is appointed from outside. These chaps including Kambwili butchered the constitution by stating that it will be very expensive to appoint ministers from outside parliament. The clause you are referring to above was meant for ministers appointed from outside parliament. They forgot to remove the clause which states that one becomes a minister by virtue of being an MP. So they have been caught in the web of their lies. And my advice to you is that stop referring to clause 42 out of ignorance.

  39. Ministers must pay says the Court Order! Don’t take politics to court before you are cited for contempt. All well meaning Zambians must demand that all persons ordered by the court pay up immediately. Our President must facilitate the process for relevant officers to implement this.

    If matters can die a natural death, then there is no respect for the rule of law. The Court equally must give time phrame/ payment plan like they give us when its time to pay child maintenance, damage, lobola e.t.c

  40. Lemba – They forgot to remove the clause from the old constitution which states that one becomes a minister by virtue of being an MP. So they have been caught in the web of their lies. And my advice to you is that stop referring to clause 42 out of ignorance.
    Clause 72(1) A Member of Parliament shall vacate office upon dissolution of Parliament.
    Clause 116(1) The President shall appoint a prescribed number of Members of Parliament as Ministers. So what if they cease to exist as Members of Parliament when Parliament is dissolved?

  41. THAT’S WHY I ALWAYS SAY ICHI CHIPUBAFYE CHIKAMBWILI, SO IF LUNGU HAD TOLD YOU TO EAT AMAFIFYE NGAWALILYA IWE KOLWE? FOOOLZ LIKE THS BINGIZA (DUNG BEETLE ) MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED NEAR LEADERSHIP. ONCE AGAIN HE HAS PROVEN THAT HE CAN’T BE A LEADER BECAUSE HE HAS NO CONSCIOUS OF HIS OWN.
    KAMBWILI NI CALF IN TUMBUKA (KATHOLE)

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