LONDON High Court Judge, Peter Smith, has reserved a ruling on an application by the State to seize second Republican president, Frederick Chiluba’s Kabulonga house, which is alleged to have been purchased using public funds.
Judge Smith set the ruling for Monday because the Zambian Government was not ready with the evaluation of the house in question.
The house could not be seized because there was an affidavit filled in opposition. This was in the ongoing video link between Lusaka and London where Judge Smith was hearing submissions on the quantum payments for the 20 defendants found liable to have defrauded the country of public funds through the ZAMTROP account.
Judge Smith in the earlier proceedings increased Dr Chiluba’s liabilities to over US$58 million from the earlier $41 million and another $1,815,000, money owed to a boutique called Basile.
Former Zambia Security Intelligence Services (ZSIS) director general, Xavier Chungu, was liable to pay more than $58 million, former ministry of Finance permanent secretary, Stella Chibanda, also the same amount.
Access Financial Services (AFS) directors, Aaron Chungu’s liabilities were over $27 million while Faustine Kabwe owes the country more than $53 million.
Congolese, Raphael Soriano, known as ‘Katebe Katoto’s liabilities are more than $29 million from the previous $20 million.
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Thankyou God.
atleast ba FTJ bakwatako akapopwa.
Kwena chuchu walikosa mutima kwati libwe. bashi tito bakugiva plot 1 and thats the way to say thank te? your days are numbered pantu ba sata baleyiipula plot 1.
where is the dignity in the zambian judiciary? its really sad to see the entire govt start working on remote control and follow whatever smith says. he passed his judgement fine, now what else does the zambian govt want from him? how much will the govt pay him? what’s the role of tasky force? pipo am not supporting chiluba but against the way govt has reduced itself to a puppet.
its not about the dignity of the zedian judiciary but with the resourse at hand,so we outsourse , the fact is that fjt stole, we all know that,
those who fail to learn from history are always destined to repeat it, zedians lets be care ful who pick for 2011, sata is not one of those!! personal view, subjective to critics
Iam in a state of righteous indignation and fury.How can our judicial system be reduced to a meaningless entity?This precedent has damaged our own independence and ability to self rule.This is like setting fire to your own habitat and laugh at yourself as it burns.People must be honest with what they are doing as this will greatly reflect on their future existence.
Of course Smith couldn’t give a monkey’s back bottom what some washed up leader of an African state has to say about anything….malibu yakuyilombela
This is now becoming a big joke and it`s even losing purpose.The first time we heard that FTJ was personally liable for buying clothes worth about $2 million then pushed the amount to $41million and then this so called “judge” Smith wakes up and says sorry it`s now $58 million.Is it going to be $1 billion next week?Repo FTJ`s house,oh!! sorry leave it.Can some learned Lawyers on this blog explain this quagmire this man is subjecting us to.
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In my analysis and concern of the Judge Smith involvement, I never hid the threat of a precedent that our judicial system had been subjected to. This is what happens when the influential people play around with the law and do not concern themselves with future impact and consequences of such decisions. Anyway, we still do not trust lawyers and maybe now judges? N.B. Note that this decision was quickly rescinded by the judge.
I am aware that this topic is now closed but I feel if it is a conspiracy because FTJ never bowed down to the sale of Kafue Consortium led by GB letting them have the show once again in Zambian mines then it is sad.
Correction MSN News 7/6/2007 on #8
People thought the judgement will not be effected. now that the details are being decided,they are agitated, however there is no need to get excited yet, there is still a long way to go.
when the the affidavit is put aside, the house should be grabbed, especially if the other assets do not add up to $58M.
Lets bear in mind that the judgement was passed in london an thats how all the implementation phase has to do with london, its only normal, nothing unusual.
Next time a case will arise in Zambia, GB will urge GRZ to take a leader to the British High Court or else Zambia will not get aid (knowing how much Zambia would part with in costs anyway). Should GRZ refuse for any reason, they will be referred back to this case taken out of Zambia to “Roy Welensky†to arbitrate (by the way, not in 1959, but in 2007), 43 years post independence.
We have “outsourced” our justice! lol!
# 12, yes we have. ZAMTROP was/is based in London, I hope you call that outsourcing too!
You know that makes it subject to UK financial legal system,unfortunately.
With people like you guys, Zambia will never go anywhere. Little wonder some politicians even have audacity to say we forget easily. With due respect KUKU and JOSE dont seem to look beyond their noses, before you criticize LPM indiscriminately take a moment to look at the bigger picture. This isnt just about pesecuting FTJ, this is about emphatically sinking it in our minds that stealing does not pay. And i will tell you what, if this corruption crusade is gonna be the only positive about LPM, personally i’ll be satisfied. Western media brooks no nosense from corrupt and thiefing leader, and thats the way we should be seen heading . We should mount pressure and if need be ‘fall like a tonne of brick’ on thieves until they break or commit suicide. Am proud and glad that Post newspaper is doing(or try to) just that. Understandably kuku’s and jose’s tu tembas wont survive without oiling someone, so they’ll defend FTJ to their graves.
Ya, there are those who see nothing wrong with stealing. From their postings on this blog,you can easily tell they find it suprising that FTJ should be punished for his theft. Instead, they try to find faults in the system and try to justify his acts. Such entities in Zambian society will deprive the country of the much needed development.
Money yesu kubwela full stop.
Like myself if you hate corruption, kupwishisha icifukushi pali FTJ. Lets garner ourselves against FTJ, his dirt friends and would be criminals, they should be warned we are no longer gullible nor foolishly corrigible, and that we are no longer amnesiac. If asked, l would definately throw the first stone before putting blazing tyres around their necks. I hate corruption and thieves like cancer.
We need to be serious about this fight against corruption.We must ensure that the Powers of the Executive are limited so that no one can be shielded against this evil vise.It`s so unfortunate that LPM has not shown leadership in this area,he seems to fighting something he`s personally entangled in and that`s why this is now becoming a big joke.LPM declares that he`s got property worth about 5 BILLION KWACHA and that sits on a piece of land that he grabbed from UNZA.The CEO of MMD KATELE KALUMBA is facing corruption charges and the Supreme Court of the land found LPM`s National Chairman Micheal MABENGE guity of theft and yet LPM continues to protect him.Nobody has the guts to question MMD`s compaign tool MMCI.The solution lies in enacting the new Constitution through CA so that the LAW could visit whoever breaks it with no exception.We really need a fresh breed of leadership that have a heart for the nation and not ones that just want to settle old scores.
#14, Get me right, Kuku and Jose are bonafide zambians. But you are wrong to suggest that their tu tmbas cannot survivie without oiling someone. This only tells much about you, that you survivie by oiling pipo. Simply bring out facts and open them up to kuku and joe. And if these 2 zebiges seem to erroniusly put their points, we are here to assess. So for a president its not only fighting corruption that the humble citizens put them in power, but to be their to spearhead many operations at national level and also to put across an image on the international scene that reflects the true status of the country and not exxagerations and trying to think today that we are better than zimbabwe. For your own information, the development indexes are reflected on one hand by the level of industrialization. And on this regard zambia still lags behind in comparison to zim. The fate of zim is short lived and things will come back to normal soon. We are their neighbours and we should not despise!
Am sure most you guys recieved that forwarded email with slide pictures of Xavier Chungus mansion, if you havent i would be glad to send it to you and then come and tell me how a civil servant managed to do that.
#20 I saw that house, and could not believe my eyes. So is it in zambia or elsewhere?
Here again, where did MMD get the money frm in 2001 for campaign and vihicles.LMP was given Bigger brown envelops at state house. special duties officers saw and witnessed this.If Chiluba wants pipo to respect him he must tell the truth.VJ is also another person who can explain the Katumbi maize issue. Pipo lets wait and see.Realiable sources say the fire has started and if let say our president is involved is parliament going to remove his immunity to allow legal proceedings as well as other ministers.
#19 With due respect to you titus, i have taken note of your point, the fact is we have limited resourses and they should be put to go use and efficiently. Besides that the main problem here is corruption, few greedy animals, who have no regard to your and my ill, dying and hungry relative in the hospital/at home.
#21 ? Titus thats not in europe nor in america, thats in Zambia the real africa.
#22, 2001 elections were definetly full of corruption,that was at the height of FTJs circus. However, LPM would at the most be only guilt of receiving stolen goods/money. This state is easier to defend and attracts less punishment if convicted than actually commiting the crime as in FTJs case.
If my memory serves well, l remember at the height of 1991 election campaigns FTJ once said ‘ isabi ngalya yamba ukubola kuputulako umutwe’ meaning UNIP was starting to rot or had rotten and so KK( head) had to be chopped off. In the same vain since FTJ was the head during 2001-election-corruption frenzy, its him who should be punished first before dragging LPM to the galores. Infact the gentleman was just woken up from his sleep, i doubt if knew much about what was going on. Remember FTJ wrongly thought LPM was clinically insane and that he was going to puppeteer him easily, therefore i doubt much was disclosed to him during campaigns.
#25 HEY.How was LPM`s TEKA farm electrified?Was he again a recipient?
#24 give the address of the house please, on which location? which town?or village?
#27 Tell us how and when was it electrified. Stop shifting our attention from FTJ just for a while. In any case we wont know the full extent of his corrupt dealings(if he is), hes the president surrounded by spin doctors. We’ll wait for him to go, investigate him, if found wanting, to hell with Sadanis’ principle of not hitting a man who’s down, we’ll kick him in the ribs whether standing or down. And then put a blazing tyre around his neck, period.
I find it surprising that in all these corruption debates that are going on no one has yet even mentioned the Mines that have been sold by the current gov’t. I mean almost everyone seems to be making a lot of noise about the alleged $48 or $58 million that Bashi Tito and co are allegedly stolen yet no one is saying anything about the multi billion $US dollar mines that have been given to foreigners!! While I don’t support corruption in anyway, I think that as Zambians we should focus on getting maximum returns on the mines, agriculture, tourism and other areas. Right now the value of Zambia’s mines is estimated to be at least $US60 billion before adding value to the minerals. After value is added we are looking at $US 500 billion that Zambia can potentially get from mining alone!!
I know $US58 million (if it is there) can make a difference if it is recovered but the truth of the matter is that by the time that money is getting into Zambia it will be reduced to $US 5 million or less af
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less after lpm’s boss smith gets his personal cut and the British gov’t get there’s too. This is just another vulture fund scandal.
People let us focus on getting benefits from the mines and other areas of our economy and let us make sure we get a people driven constitution not one that lpm wants to force us to accept. If we do that we will find that Bashi Tito and co only stole breadcrumbs (that is if such allegations can be proven that they did)
And plz don’t outsource any part of Gov’t esp the justice system otherwise we might as well call those evil minded muzungus (lpm’s only skill) to come back and put all of us into perpetual slavery!!
Wake up Zambia!!
#31 As i said, it would be difficult to nail LPM now simply because of the machinery at his disposal. Having said that the world shouldnt stop turning,for the time being lets deal with the little mouse thats already been smoked from its hole and is now cornered.
Levys time will come, thats if hes a pompwe- God forbid.
#32.It`s not that I want to divert your attention from FTJ or any other culprit.We seem to be focussed on being REACTIVE instead of being PROACTIVE.We`ve got to fight this vise and posibly tackling it from the roots.If today we`re going after FTJ,then tomorrow LPM and the wife,the other day we follow the Nchito brothers and so forth.This would a long and futile exercise and so I would think that the best thing to do is to limit the chances of this act happeninig in the first place.
#33#ok thats fine now tell how do we limit the chances of this happening again because no one comes in power telling the truth?e.g Am going to bleed you dry.”Now we all no why the seat was sweet”.Silly little man.Take the lot from him.Leave him homeless,leave him with nothing,nothing.Not even the shirt on his back
Leave ba FTJ alone. Fine he made mistakes.Lets work on ensuring that what happened in that era never ever happens again by ensuring greater accountability esp from Plot 1.It is fine to rejoice in the wake of the Smith judgement, but are we also doing a cost benefit analysis. We hear we will try (yes only try!) to recover $58 million dollars, but how much are the “Friends of Chuchu” getting out of this and all the associated costs. Chuchu should not have been selective in pursuing the “loot” if he was serious about it. Lawyer that he is, former Chiwala boy, he can’t even get Katumbi from across the border to come and answer his charges, Not to talk about Xavier, Atan or even this coloured “Tonga” boy, Paul Steele who is an established businessman in RSA now. Thing is he directly licked from these boys’ hands during his campaign and can’t touch them. FJT is being punished for the leaked doc’s report on Chuchu’s “knocked” engine. Leave FTJ!
The london judgement and the cases before the zambian courts,are they inter-related?
Is Chuchu in order to have a former GRZ President declared a destitute? Is this Chuchu stressed or what? Charity begins at home, they say, if he can outsource “issues” at home, am not surprised he decided to outsource this litigation! Thing is he’s hands aren’t clean either, he was born of corruption and cemented of it. He can’t change that no matter how much he “rightly” persecutes kamudala, he will never mend his issues.The one that has a copy of his doctor’s report will have the last laugh. A time will come when we will reflect and wonder whether today’s “rights” couldn’t have been handled differently! Chuchu munshololwa mwalafilila musenga!
Kafupi should be left homeless.Pliz Judge Smith,workout your magic.FTJ should get back to Congo.kawalala uyo….destitute.
Leave LPM alone you have forgotten that he was vice president from 1991 to 1994. He resigned serting corruption und he went back at his professional as lawyer.The good thing he did is to maintain his party membership. Remember Sata was always comending LPM becuase he want to be president but master dribblers dribled him and chose this man who is trying to bring sanity to the nation. Thieves they dont deserve mercy they should be punished. If records are there some of you can endup jailed for recieving money in 1991 to go and vote though you were not registered voters. Stop complaining you wanted change and this a change you wanted. 10 years lost, economical plunder, job loses, The hour has come to suffer was your song. So what next?
Chiluba is a thief says us The Elite.ha ha ha ha ha ha . Satan knew before Chiluba was born that it has a very honest follower. ha ha ha ha ha ha. Zambia is a christian nation. ha ha ha ha ha, but Zambia’s former president is a thief. ha ha ha ha ha ha
#40 you are right dispite your unusual eccentric excitement.We should not lose sight of the main principle here which LPM has highlighted, never mind whether its been brought about out of conviction or not, intentionally or otherwise. The principle is stealing does not pay, thank goodness we have a human guinea pig in FTJ, he’s our specimen to teach our leaders and would be criminals that the lazy wheels of justice will turn at least once against them. This is the principle with which i would love my one month old baby to be brainwashed or indoctrinated. Stealing and corruption is punishable and we should be allowed disect our specimen to teach ourselves and our children.
Let’s get seious people. Chiluba committed crimes against the people of Zambia. There is no dispute here that he stole money and shielded a few of his chosen partners in crime. How much he stole may not be clear, but it was a lot. It is no use directing insults at judge Smith when Zambia’s own judiciary is a mess. You are either serious or your are not serious about the fight against corruption. Judge smith is not personally being paid per hour. Instead he draws a fixed salary from the British tax payers. The Zambian govenment is merely buying British court time. Ba Jose makes the point that a lot of people have made before – that LPM is not grateful to the man who put him in Plot 1. Surely all that is an indication of a rotten system. We’ve seen this all over the continent. Incumbant leaders arranging ‘coronations’ of their own favoured candidates in order to protect themselves from prosecution. we have just seen this in Nigeria. continued …
N0:30 Be informed that LPM’s government did not sell any mines. The Mines were sold in 1997, 1998 and 2000.
cintinued from #42 … One important doctrine in law is that parliament cannot bind future parliaments. Well, this should apply to the executive – no one should bind future executives. It has also been mentioned that Zambia’s sovereignty is being compromised by this judgement. Nonsense! Putting aside the merits and demerits of this particular case, I think the Zambian goverment should persue thieves wherever they choose to hide their ill-gotten loot. Some people continue to tout Sata as the saviour of the nation. No one person can save Zambia. Only the collective fight for a better constitution can save the country. God bless the republic!
#34 Witness.I would like to respond to your earlier concern about how we can prevent this from happeninig.We need to have separation of powers ie Executive,Legislation and Judiciary.We would need to enact this new constitution through the CA.Executive powers have been put in check and investigative wings won`t be interfered with by the Executive.These are the things we need to direct our energies to if we are to see long lasting results about this fight.Don`t get me wrong that that in the slightest I `m giving a pass to anyone who has stollen public funds.Anyone guilty of theft should be made accountable and this includes FTJ,LPM(when his immunity is removed)and the rest of the demagogues.What`s going on is just a witch hunt and not a genuine fight.If you remember VJ had theft charges dropped immediately he became an LPM bootlicker.I believe Zambia deserves better than this mess.
#37 my fellow chiwala boy, ama-points wagiva yamu-jazz and need to be pumped muli #14 chi msana wabula style. chiwala boy fellow, remember insoselo ati “uchitasha mwana wandoshi” te? same applies kuli chuchu. this man makes me feel like vomiting.
titus mwaice wandi, wanona chi #14 cayamba ukusosomba te? mwaice deal with it pakuti chibe umutunse. iwe chi #14 without bashi tito teka farm ngatakwaba plus nama organic fruits aya balechita produce nayo ngatakwaba. pipo, i went kuma oder ku teka farm, the place looks like dallas farm, well electrified, 24 hrs security nomba mambala umutengo. state screte ati chuchu ni solo supplier waba shoprite, inters-hotel.
#37 my fellow chiwala boy, ama-points wagiva yamu-jazz and need to be pumped muli #14 chi msana wabula style. chiwala boy fellow, remember insoselo ati “uchitasha mwana wandoshi” te? same applies kuli chuchu. this man makes me feel like vomiting.
titus mwaice wandi, wanona chi #14 cayamba ukusosomba te? mwaice deal with it pakuti chibe umutunse. iwe chi #14 without bashi tito teka farm ngatakwaba plus nama organic fruits ayo balechita produce nayo ngatakwaba. pipo, i went kuma oder ku teka farm, the place looks like dallas farm, well electrified, 24 hrs security nomba mambala umutengo. state screte ati chuchu ni solo supplier waba shoprite, inters-hotel.
It doesn’t matter where the judgement was passed. Be it Lusaka or London. It is long overdue. The fact is FTJ stole billions. No mercy for such a person who can curse 10million people with hunger meanwhile he was dining in Bahamas. Let him go to hell. He
#43, shani hahisha, elyo mwamuka mwa? LPM ali ni vice presdo wa ba FTJ and he was final man to endose signination of all the mines makamaka baluba mines yaku luanshya. chosa data mufana yazelu.
#48 are you sure you are on the right forum? give respect bashi tito plz and have some manners.
#44 chitapankwa, uli mu-meni. i salute you.
#39 nonsense!!!
#14 i think you need a nap te? ubututu bwacilamo iwe ci msana wabulwa style. kwatako a bit of respect kuba fyashi lyabanobe te? avoid ukesema iminyomo plz.be a humanist. you wait until King Cobra, bashi Chilufya ngabaibula plot 1, you will dance ndombolo mukalyati.
#43, shani hahisha, elyo mwamuka mwa? LPM ali ni vice presdo wa ba FTJ and he was final man to sign papers of all the mines makamaka baluba mines yaku luanshya. chosa data mufana yazelu.
#48 are you sure you are on the right forum? give respect bashi tito plz and have some manners.
#44 chitapankwa, uli mu-meni. i salute you.
#39 nonsense!!!
#14 i think you need a nap te? ubututu bwacilamo iwe ci msana wabulwa style. kwatako a bit of respect kuba fyashi lyabanobe te? avoid ukesema iminyomo plz.be a humanist. you wait until King Cobra, bashi Chilufya ngabaibula plot 1, you will dance ndombolo mukalyati.
This is interesting,Firstly Can some define to me what corruption is?Nepotism is one such component of this cancer,If at all LPM was a principled man why did he accept to stand on a ticket offered by a corrupt party?He resigned in 1994 citing corruption,what changed for him to bounce back in 2001? Today he is in the UK with Katele/Mabenga,what is the LPM trying to tell us?Our argument has not been about FTJ’s misdemeanors but on the selective pursuit of one man who has not been availed chance to defend himself from the Lifting of his immunity to Final judgement by Smith.Gentlemen we are dealing with the Office of the President not a simple office occupied by -MALA MUSANA WANDALAMA,#33 CHAPI has correctly expressed fears of what is to come.
#14 mwaice mala me Iam one principled person who has not oiled anybody not even favours for passport or traffic offence I make sure I pay straight to the Treasury and secondly my wealth is hard earned with my brains not the Teka farms which have
Am back and my friend Dr Maswahu is fine and is now a proffesor at cambridge university.My first contribution is a song by the late Peter Nalungu(from Chikuni), young brother of the late Smoke Haangala.
-mbaba babola
-bali kumakuwa mwanawesu babola balimukubeleka
-nambebo ndabola
-naliku Monze mwanawesu ndabola nalimukubeleka
-cakuluma cakuluma cakuluma cakuluma
-ngacali bobu ngacalicibotu ngacalibobu
-ngacalicibotu.
Zambia is for zambians and Smith is for ???
If one has to analyse the writing style at # 35 and #37 by Chiwala Boy, it appears my similar to that of Ba Joze. This may be a coincident but it so far it is only Ba Joze who has agreed to what Chiwala Boy has written. The question which needs to be answered is whether or not Ba Joze is the same person as Chiwala Boy?
#51 is me KUKU ,ctd have been developed after 2001.This man when he took up office he declared only £18,000 but today he has millions of dollars in his finance bank accounts where did he get this money from knowing very well a President salaries in 10 years is $100,000 already he donated $50,000 towards ambulances in ndola meaning half of his earned money is gone.LPM has just killed the presidency and he wont get away with it.He has ruhsed to remove alog in someone’s eyes when he has a plunk in his.His relatives are the ones manning all the foreign embassies abroad, his relatives have occupied ministerial positions-Muteteka, Puma Lwipa ,Shakafuswa, shikapwasha to mention a few and to you this is not corruption.FTJ brought free market economy and those of us with ‘BRAINS’ have just translated that to make genuine wealth no strings attached.Currently Iam working on investment projects that will tap into your money abroad.Nkhata boy just put up a good scenario.
#51 i got some info, katele ni pimp wakwa chuchu. remember story yakwa Cifire te? Maurine isanje shalicilamo nokweba chuchu to fire Cifire te? manje katele has started pimp another one. I give me time I will give you the name.
#51 i got some info, katele ni pimp wakwa chuchu. remember story yakwa Cifire te? Maurine isanje shalicilamo nokweba chuchu to fire Cifire te? manje katele has started to pimp another one for chuchu. I give me time, I will give you the name.
GLUCO
#53 M Daka my darling, we are different pipo. bushe imwe ba Mme Daka ngamwacita support ama comment nishi nimwe mwalembele mu-camouflage te? I was at chiwala boys and suspened by that loose Head master two months before the exams puntu nalikwata amadukis (money) ukumucila.Just contribute Mme Daka even a song like #52
#57 GLUCO DONT USE MY NAME IN THE TITLE BOX
This same UK you applaude of bringing justice to FTJ its the most corrupt place you could ever dream of.Today BAE is being accused of ‘OILING’ the Saudi Prince with £1bn in a £40bn arms deal and they want to cover this up,Thaskin premier of Thaialnd is being pursued for $1.9bn and is still being shielded by Tony and has been allowed to spend his money on Man city, so who are they to behave clean when themselves are a great centre for money laundering? So in Africa they call that corrpution in UK its called business how on earth? God help us.Zambia needs to reposition itself by first re developing a more transparent, effective and accountable governance and this will be achieved only through a CLEAN THOUGHT OF DEVELOPED ALL ENCOMPASSING CONSTITUTION NOT THROUGH TRIAL AND ERROR WHICH LPM IS CURRENTLY PRACTISING
# 58, Ba Joze, my brother, thanks for the clarification. The Bembas say “Kabusha takolelwe bowa”
what I find fun with you bloggers you attack personalities of bloggers,attacking me or BaJoze wont take us anywhere let us attack the systems that are currently be used, let us attack who is advocating for such illegitimates,if you attack my Katemba and how I make my money where will that take you?This LPM system is rotten and needs desperate remedies.How can you have a two tier system?What is obtainging in Zambia is exactly as what transpires in LA( the Paris Hilton) where the powerful and rich are treated with kids gloves.If you are people who believe in justice what PAC and Annie chifungula highlighted must be food for thought where our country is.We have budget overruns because of giga thefts that have rocked LPM’s govt, Simon Miti, VJ,Mabenga,Nyirongo, Sichone,LPM’s govt is not fit for purpose, we have wasted our efforts on FTJ case and still continue to have difficulties executing judgement, this a fallacy and our next leaders in 2011 must be people with an open managerial pica
I would agree with KUKU #60 that we need an all encompassing constitution that would stand the test of time and prevent this circus thats going on from ever happening again.It`s just unfortunate that I`m not currently in Zambia but I would urge fellow concerned citizens that are on the ground to fight and get what rightly belongs to us and that`s a new Constitution.LPM is on cruise control morgaging our Justice system and the country at large without anyone stopping him or his cohorts.KUKU see you in parliament 2011.
whats the relationship between kuku and anonymous?
#27, if the guy has a receipt from ZESCO, then its neither here nor there. But if it was done free of charge there you have it.
#63 Chapi in life aim high, I cannot aim for parliament , I will aim for plot1 so that I can bring sanity to the Zambian politics.Moreover I will go there as a person who has made decisions before both economic and political.We dont day dreamers like HH to be near plot 1 because they will just push us in 3x reverse gear.boadrom decisions and macro gorvanance are too different areas of operation.
#66 kuku, with my due respect, i give you power to make a next govt which is gender sensitive te?
Awaiting Kuku!!! and dont leave out PINK, CHIWALA BOY, TITUS, AM, CHITAPANKWA….am still waiting Kuku !!!
Chapi #65 i have read most of your comments on the blog, you do come up with good ideas and the like.Chapi some of the things you bring up though are imaterial at this time,Lpm will have his time to face the law if he has screwd up any where, and best believe he will, For now our focus is on this shameless thief called chiluba, we all have sympathy that he is sick, but remember this is the same man who had his own son almost dying in ndola central hospital , couldnt get a catscan costing a million kwacha while he chiluba was sitting on millions of dollars, it shows you how hard headed he is and he will do anything to stay in his conor safely.There is no need for sympathy now,Lpm like i said has his own time and it will come worry not about him but about shi tito , who has been proven guilty,as for levy he has a few more years.We need to do the right thing now or histroy will judge as badly.
#68 che my man you’re very right, if you read my contributions above#14 #17 #26 #29 #32 and 41, you will see that we talking about the same thing. Its so disgusting that some characters on this blog still support this tiny thief, i dont need to mention their names because you will soon read their contribution for the thief.
Some of u guys say we should leave FJT alone because he did this and that, But that was his JOB fools. You should be happy with the example PLM is giving in the pursit of people who raped Zambias coffers. If he does it or is doing it he can expect the same treatment.
#70 are you sure that what lpm is doing is by his decision? Who is masterminding the present operations? I would commend him for good works, but i hate to run to white man for sorting out our beef.
Titus #71, officially the current happenings are the brainchild of the task force on corr. Realistically, of course LPM has a say, I for one think their decision to sue in London and NOT z was superb. You can easily freeze accounts based on a london court order than ours, these are facts though they are not so pleasant. mind you there are 18 other defendants apart from FTJ, some of whom are international.
LPM, has forever been an impressive lawyer in the Z fraternity, thats how FTJ also had confidence in him, except he did NOT know he can NOT corrupt him.
The Dark days of FJT’s rule are truley over. During his 2nd term Zambia was indeed a desolute place with hordes of street kids and the culture of corruption the norm. As a sociologist one would notice kids not playing street football as you see thses days. Those were indeed sad, sad days.
His kids used to shoot up discos with impunity. The sell off of zambia lock, stock and barrel went ahead full steam at ”offical” give away prices.
Ahh what dark days we went throu. Next time watch who you put in power.
Why run away from the truth it`s their for the world to see the fact is he stole what makes you think everyone hates ftj i don`t think so be objective don`t use the hate you have 4 Levy cloud us all.
I think we all know by now that ftj stole the money, whilst we dont’t know howm much he stole we know that there are people still in the mwanawas government that benefited from such funds, mwanawas and katele kalumba are 2 examples, whilst I don’t support chiluba , I hate the fact that governmenrt has spent so much resources trying to prosecute him.The judgment has been passed and its time to act, its also time to stop double standards, mwanawasa or whatever his name is should clean up his house and stop using the corruption issue to divert from attending to serious national issues like the constitution, why is he trying to buy time, we should also caution him that his time is coming , the same measure that he has used on chiluba will be used on him, hope he and all his relatives are not misusing our money because time will come when we will audit him.
I hope we are not accumulating other debts by this hire.
What LPM is doing to Ciluba is sheer persecution and not fight against corruption period. Ask why he should it? the answer is simple – self-preservation and political survival. This is a president who rules based on editorials and does not follow plans. If an editor says this and that thats when acts. He runs a reactive government and not a proactive one. He hasnt initiated anything, not even the fight against Chiluba, which led to setting up the task force against Chiluba. He has a “free rider mentality”. Economically most of what is driving this economy is Chiluba’s initiation; starting with HIPC attainment, privatisation of the mines inluding signing for setting up of new ones like Lumwana and Kansanshi, Road Infrastructure improvement, general economic re-orientation starting at policy level etc. Of course undeniably, mistakes where made along the way some of which are still there and need to be streamlined. But the current leadership is at the moment just focussed on pleasing Tony
Guys Chiluba indeed may have misused some public money. But we need to be objective in the way we look at this issue. If say Chiluba today is stripped of all he has and sent to jail as demanded by LPM and the Post, what development will accrue to the common man/person in this country? Of course Mwanawasa would be happy because he will for once something that he would have in his reign. (Of course he hasnt done any other thing, then also the Post would be happy for an obvious reason – fulfill their egoistic tendancies like it or not. Then what “win” for Zambia? Grabbing clothes from a president because he bought too much? What a society. No wonder no African president past or current, from Cairo to Cape and west to east has commended LPM for this persecution of a former president, except for those who funded to show that developt does not happen in Africa becoz of “corruption” which is also rife in their countries. Tony stopped the investgtns in the Saudi arms deal for “strtgic” reason
First I start by praising Heys #72 for pointing out tht FTJ failed to corrupted LPM. Please send this message to govt spokesman Mulongoti so that he can tell whole nation. Joe Iam sorry to hammer you dont mislead the nation. All what you have listed amount to nothing. You think if your FTJ did all these people would have been humilating him like this. See deeper in the eye dont mÃslead the nation. KK tried to own you about this short man instead you showed him the V´sign at Vipuba babili meaning KK and Grey Zulu. SAP was the waste that happened to Zambialeaving the nation in destitute, hunger und derailed. Did you know that when foreigner investors started buying the mines the Govt of FTJ told the there is no way Zambia can buy companies because it will increase the gap between the rich and the poor. Nonsense Yes 70% of Zambia live in poverty what does it benfit the nation to give its industries to foreigners.
No. 77 and 78, this is how a real world operates. It is not Chiluba was more corrupt that Tony, KK, or even LPM himself. It is just that the current opportunity available was investigate this person to pin him down. Of course if you fault find, you will definately find were something went wrong in any leader. Be it KK, Tony and Bush (Could be tried for occassioning genocide in Iraq if they were African leaders), LPM, etc. All of them have their own corruption it is just an opportunity to bring them to answer. In my view, LPM and the MMD might end up subjects of bankruptcy in the Zamtrop case as they are clear beneficiaries. It explains why attorney general deliberately left out MMD and other beneficiaries of ZAMTROP from a list of defendants. Now that the figures keep increasing we might just see the list of liable defendants increase to include LPM, MMD, VJ (now that he his out of favour) etc. This is esp. so as FTJ and others are yet to defend themselves. MMD vehicles, elections, LPM
After all is said and done. We need the stolen money back so that maybe LPM can think of equiping our hospitals. So no one will have to be flown to UK or RSA for treatment. Or even work on our railway so that the train doesnt have to be moving at 15KM/Hr. Or even open Govt run mine rather than going round the globe looking for someone to come and dig our minerals and enslave us in our own land. Ba Jose, sorry for yesterday’s assault on you.
Bo Easy No. 79, I like debating with points not just arguing for the sake of it. Evidence is their for you to check the facts. I am not “misleading” anyone as you suggest, to the contrary you are the one misleading the nation. Unfortunately you cant mislead all because there are a lot of Zambians living who experienced both KK’s reign and FTJ’s reign, including LPM’s reign. They are able to compare my friend – I dont know how old you are, but since you able to talk abt the ‘V’ sign you must be reasonably older and know but you have elected to practice ‘intellectual dishonesty’. You have removed from list what FTJ did not do except to say KK ‘owned’ or is it ‘warned us’. ur piece is really devoid of any substantible arguably except being value ladden, emotive and subjective. You sound like one of those who were benefiting from ZIMCO or running of non-viable parastatals with a dead end. Why hasnt LPM re-nationalised companies? Be informed and read widely – just a piece of advice 4 u bro.
Sorry number 82 posted by me Joe.
#1 Jose
The respite for Chiluba is temporary. The judge is waiting for evaluation report of the property before restricting or freezing it.
It would be prudent for Fred and Regina to start visitng estate agents, bofore it’s too late
Anonymous I might have grey hair bút facts are facts. We are not talking of nationalisation. Zambia is opened minded I have been and lived in various countries and I can make a different. What we are talking abot is benefits for you your children thru natural resources. There is no developed nations who completely allow privatisation strategy industries and Banks like the way your FTJ did thru SAP. LPM is talking of investment because there is gain directly gain for owners of the land. Tell me where is Meridien BAO? What happened to it? Who was the investor. Ba Anonyomus bubeku siliyasi. Remember people are reading these comments including those would want to be investors.
Bo Easy, check No.83, my identity is Joe, I just forgot to put it there, not anonymous. Now I agree with you but the arguement is not whether or not privatisation benefited everybody including my children no, it is not just practical at least in the short term. Even in the long term the benefits wont evenly acrue to everyone. Am not discussing communism. It is not how economics works. There is usually a time lag. And when you ‘completely allow privatisation of strategic industries’ which ones are you refering to? is it mines? ZESCO? ZAMTEL? I agree with you that not all should be privatised (which FTJ did), but in your view which ones should have been retained as parastatals up to this day? LPM talking abt investment, that’s what we want and we’ve always. But investment takes various forms, which invest r u talikng about. Meridien- am not an expert on meridien but am pretty sure it was not so much of parastatal. Pipo can read and tell who saying the right thing, read a little bit more
1.Minister of Defence Hon. George Mpombo, MP (BA)
2.Minister of Finance and National Planning Hon. Ng’andu Magande, MP (MSC Applied Economics)
3.Minister of Home Affairs Hon. Lt. Gen. Ronnie Shikapwasha, MP (BA Degree)
4.Minister of Health Hon. Dr. Brian Chituwo, MP (PHD)
5.Minister of Foreign Affairs Hon. Mundia Sikatana, MP (LL.M.)
6.Minister of Agriculture & Co-operatives Hon. Ben Kapita, MP
7.Minister of Justice Hon. George Kunda, MP (LL.M.)
8. Minister of Local Government and Housing Hon. Sylvia T. Masebo, MP (BA)
9.Minister of Gender and Development, Hon. Patricia Mulasikwanda, MP (MA)
10.Minister of Commerce, Trade & Industry Hon. Felix Mutati , MP (MBA)
11. Minister of Communication and Transport Hon. Sarah Sayifwanda MP (MA)
12.Minister of Community Development and Social Services Hon. Catherine Namugala, MP (LLB)
13.Minister of Education Hon. Prof. Geofrey Lungwangwa, MP (PHD)
14.Minister of Energy and Water Development Hon. Kenn (MBA)
15.Lands B.Machila(LL.M.)
#87 What nonsense is that, have missed something?
#87 what nonsense is that, have i missed something?
# 87 what are trying to put accross. I hope it is not a childish thing
This should extent to the Switz bank. Why do we let institutions of corruption thrive.It is common knowledge that most world leaders stash ill gotten wealth in the Switz bank and yet we stand and watch.FTJ may not be the only thief and possibly why he tried.I hope other leaders are probed especially in Africa.
Chiluba is so grossly liable that he has to surrender his wife Regina back to Mr
Mwanza, Regina’s ex-husband. It’s widely believed that Chiluba used
stolen public funds to chuff her
Agree with u No.92
#92, only a fool can accept her back.
yes the former president is facing charges before the courts of law but justice entails that one is innocent before being proved guilty,so lets try to view him that maybe when he is finally proven guilty we can then say all the hell we want to, but even then are WE better if God was to put us in His weighing balances us who are condemning FTJ, certainly we may even be worse.
umuntu tabipa muli fyonse, no doubt there are some positive things ftj and his govt recorded during their time, things probably being enjoyed by those who are the loudest to insult him, this goes also to kk and levy as well. This does not mean i support a sitting president to temper or steal national resources, but my point is let us not condemn others when we ourselves are not perfect.
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