THE Lusaka high court has transferred from Mongu to Lusaka hearings in a case in which former Barotse Royal Establishment (BRE) Ngambela Clement Sinyinda and 83 other barotseland activists are charged with treason.
Judge Evans Hamaundu said in his ruling yesterday that he was changing the venue of the case hearings to Lusaka because it was convenient for it to be heard in the capital city than in Mongu.
Mr Justice Hamaundu also transferred the detention of the accused persons from Mongu prison to Mwembeshi open prison in Mumbwa.
This is in a matter in which the State had requested for the transferring of the case hearings and detentions to Mumbwa court and prisons respectively citing security concerns.
But the activists led by Sinyinda had objected to the application saying there were no disturbances that had risen during their appearance in the Mongu magistrate court but all that their relatives and supporters did was to cheer outside the court after court sessions.
Mr Justice Hamaundu said in his ruling yesterday that he had inquired from the Mongu magistrate court on the allegations of disturbances during court sessions but he was informed that there had been no disturbances in court.
He however said that if the matter was moved to Mumbwa as was requested by the State, it would mean that the accused persons would be required to appear in Kabwe where there is only one court room and would in the process affect other matters.
Mr Justice Hamaundu further said that he was changing the venue to Lusaka because there were several courts with many judges who would handle two or more parallel court sessions.
He said that Mumbwa was good for accommodation of the suspects because of the Mwembeshi prison which had spacious space.
Mr Justice Hamaundu said “trial is convenient here in Lusaka so I have changed the venue from Mongu to Lusaka”.
The fullish Zambian government should just HONOUR its SIGNATURE on the BAROTSE AGREEMENT. Only crooks , liars and criminals sign documents that they don’t intend to respect.
To Lusaka, to parade them before Sata??? Lord have mercy on those innocent Lozis!!
You signed with the Empire, not the Bembas. Time you woke from slumber.
Bo Sata, should hang these guys for treason. The rule of law says so.
Continue whining, while we rich Bembas (That is in your illusions.) intimidate you every night you try to dream. We all know your history and where you came from, Makwelelos or whatever, you will never afford to destroy Zambia. (Over my dead body.)
Don’t you wish you were from Chipata my loved ones, while we pull fast ones.
Zonda uzalema ka.
@Ba Tribalist Rastus, grow up! There’s no one who has mentioned Bembas in the above posts! Why do you always think that life revolves around you lot? Situpiti!
My friend Mwenda Njangula.
Are you new to this sight. It is not a matter of not saying Bemba. We have had it with people like you, like it or not you will eventually say it.
@Rastus, who has mentioned Bembas in the post? Get off your high horse. You are a tribalist!
good move and let justice prevail
justice? Only the implementation or honouring of the Barotse Agreement constitutes justice!
Send them to Alcatraz. They think a revolt is a revolution.
Stop contradicting yourself. It is actually your government that thinks that a revolt is a revolution. Hence the idiyotic idea to charge them with treason! Some of the charges are even laughable such as raising the Barotse flag! Remind your government that the Barotse flag is currently, like it has always done, flying at the muleneng ie the Litunga’s palace. And sinyinda has also been charged with organizing the Barotse National Conference in January 2012. A conference that government officials attended including representatives of the diplomatic missions and the UN!
Mwenada Njangula, every Zambian tribe has a totem that they fly and not just yours. Give Chale a break and mind your ignorant spelling. You have to take your issues up to the Brits that might have promised you; land, that never was theirs in the first place.
Read your history and remember the “genocide” your people committed against the local people when you came in from the North.
The UN? Ask Somalis for advice before you rely on those bozos for legitimate
reasoning, they too have issues where they come from. That you can bet on.
Kalaba na Mutale then why is your government persecuting Lozis for flying their totem then? When did it become a crime? And where did I claim that other tribes don’t have totems? Shut up if you have nothing to say!
And which ‘genocide’ did ‘my people commit’ against the local people when they came from the ‘north’? Do you even know what you are talking about, I wonder!
The British have nothing to do with this. Kenneth Kaunda as Prime Minister signed on behalf of Northern Rhodesia and Sir Mwanawina King of Barotseland signed on behalf of Barotseland to bring the two territories together as independent Zambia. Kaunda later renegaded on this Agreement. This is the issue here. It is a legal document which your Zambia is been requested to honour! Just stop the bullsheeting!
Mwenda Njangula,
I love jokes, ha ha ha … especially dirty rotten jokes like yours about Zambia becoming another Somaliland, you suck just like the masibi that you are high on man. Tell me another joke, but a better one please, this one is over. Your people are Makwelelos from the north and you know it. It does not matter what X, you signed. Your so-called Sir Mwanawina is another joker who signed with the Brits over land that he knew, was never theirs in the first place. By the way, when did your chief become an Englishman? Next time you talk K.K, do it with respect you ungrateful *****. Zambia is not negotiable and say no otherwise.
We shall be praising Jesus the day we pass the bullets.
The Empire just had one King and Mwanawina was not it.
“Your so-called Sir Mwanawina is another joker who signed with the Brits over land that he knew, was never theirs in the first place” True or false?
@Kalaba na Mutale Bandawe, mates go get yourself an education. You are all over the place with your jumbled up assertions and myths. The only document Sir Mwanawina signed is the Barotse Agreement with Kaunda. Both your logic and English grammar are pathetic!
Mwenda Njangula.
I do not need an education to help create confusion, you are the one who is seeming to get upset every time you get a kick in the teeth. Saddam did not need the truth and facts about WMD, the world gave him some and took his head.
I believe, I sense a feeling of psychological frustration in your quest to spread despondence in my precious Zambia. The more you disrespect K.K the more I feel like punching Mwanawina below the belt, if you do not see what I am hinting at.
This is the last entry now that I am going over to the pub for a beer with a few of my truly Zambian friends.
If Barotseland is a state, them them use diplomatic channels to persuade the govt of Zambia to release them to enhance bilateral relations; but if the so called “Barotseland” is a part of Zambia, then let justice be done!
Talking and addressing the issues raised by these people should be considered by the President. That way the matter would be resolved. Yes, there may be emotional issues involved but we are all God’s people and must learn to coexist.
You do not coexist with treason.
Yaba, extradited.
@ci Sepo u evn insult govt a sovereign elected or constitutionaly mandated govt.Honouring foolish agreemt to devide the country?Is tht wht u want?Dont be myopic & naive!U want to split a sovereign state?For wht?Think beyond yr nose.
Foolish Agreement? Your government appended its signature to the said foolish Agreement! Western Province or Barotseland is only part of Zambia because of that Foolish Agreement. And without the Foolish Agreement there’s no Western Province but only Barotseland!
@ Dada
Honoring the Agreement means incorporating Barotseland into Zambia. It is actually pf which has added fire to this rebellion through the irresponsible promises they made to the people during the 2011 campaigns.
Mwenda Njangula,
Here you go again, dusted out on mabisi man.
infact they are suppose to be sent to Guantanamo Bay Prison or any Military Prison because they are terrorists and they are a danger to the security of our Nation. They need to be hit hard.
Which nation? They are not Zambians. They are Barotse Nationals. They ceased to be Zambians when your government abrogated the Agreement that made them Zambians. You have chosen the wrong way to deal with issues of the Barotse Agreement. You have just given it oxygen! Wait for the trial. Both Kaunda and Sata will be called as witnesses!
PF is more of a danger to this Nation. Remember that pf released these same people after winning elections. RB had cautioned pf not to fish in troubled waters as it campaigned in 2011. Pf is full of ignorant leaders and are totally to blame for this escalating rebellion.
@ Mwenda Njangula- Be ashemed of your self. Atleast today you had a nice breakfast, you will have a nice meal in the afternoon and evening meanwhile your brothers are suffering in Mwembeshi Maximum Prison even before Judgment and you are busy saying Barotse..Baroste. If you have evidence that Barotse is an Independent country why cant you present yourselves to the courts other than waiting for Kenneth Kaunda or Sata? Your brothers and uncles will die in prison for nothing. Better stop this nonsense. If you cant live in peace with your fellow tribes men Nkoyas,Luvales, Chokwes & Mbudas, how do you think you would reign peacefully if you were an independent state? May the Courts of Law speed up this case and I will be the happiest person on earth if they can be sentenced to life imprisonment
I am Mbunda from mwene kandalas silalo! Next?
Then you are a fake Mbunda perhaps from Angola and I wonder if you know the ethnic groupings in Western province and the confusion that is there between Lozi’s and Nkoyas. A normal Mbunda/ Nkoya/Luvale or Chokwe would NOT entertain this nonense Baroste debate. After all, the first settlers in Western Province were the Nkoyas. And for your own information, Iam a Lozi BUT I have a also a Nkoya and Luvale blood in me. Lozis are foreigners who ran away from Shaka the Zulu while the rest of our Luvale brothers animated from Angola way back. With all this ethnic differences it will stupidity of the highest order for anyone either Lozi or Nkoya or Mbunda to say Western Province should brake away from Zambia. If anything, the Nkoyas want Kaoma to become a separate Province.
Then you are a fake Mbunda perhaps from Angola and I wonder if you know the ethnic groupings in Western province and the confusion that is there between Lozi’s and Nkoyas. A normal Mbunda/ Nkoya/Luvale or Chokwe would NOT entertain this nonsense Baroste debate. After all, the first settlers in Western Province were the Nkoyas. And for your own information, Iam a Lozi BUT I have a also a Nkoya and Luvale blood in me. Lozis are foreigners who ran away from Shaka the Zulu while the rest of our Luvale brothers animated from Angola way back. With all this ethnic differences it will stupidity of the highest order for anyone either Lozi or Nkoya or Mbunda to say Western Province should brake away from Zambia. If anything, the Nkoyas want Kaoma to become a separate Province.
Yobe katali, please stop creating your own reality. For starters Nkoyas were never the first settlers in Barotseland. The first settlers were the Makwengo and the Mbukushu commonly referred to by morons like you as bushmen. They are concentrated in the South western corner of western province. The next to come were the Subiya and the Totela. Then it was the Luyi or Luyana i.e the Litungas tribe. These were followed by the Mbunda who asked for refugee status from Litunga Santulu in 1795. later we had Nkoyas, Luvales , etc And in the mid 1800s the Sothos invaded the territory and referred to everyone they found as Barotse i.e people who settle along water sources. The final arrivals were the Kalanga . Lozi/Rotse is not a tribe by the way!
@Osadabwa Iwe. Like someone has already said , please stop creating your own alternative reality. All Mbundas come from Angola and nowhere else. So stop questioning Mwenda Njangula. I am quite sure that you cannot name the Silalo and its induna were you come from in Western Province. Your rant is so shallow, fake and uneducated!
You claim your chief to be english yet you talk mabisi man. I like you but Zambia is not on the block.
@ Mwenda Njangula & Sepo-Western Province shall never..never brake away from Zambia and that is a very FACT which well document everywhere both on earth and in Heaven.Masipa yamina. Muli baka yamana. Minungu thenu. Malete yamina. Mufwatho ngana. Nthenu thenu.
In a freedom struggle, people die. That’s the sacrifice all humans pay for their freedom. Who knew that there would be a free South Sudan? Or very soon a free Scotland? One day the new 84 occupants of Mwembeshi prison will be remembered for their role in liberating Copperbelt, North-Western, Central, Lusaka, Southern and Western Provinces herein referred to as Barotseland.
Keep this in mind. It does not pay to be arrogant. I urge PF to sit down with their counterparts and resolve this issue where the neck is still small. Hashingo yamwana kishi kukasaho hachili hahandende, so the Luvales say.
Bringing the case to Lusaka is excellent publicity as there will be BBC, CNN, our own MUVI TV, Daily Nation, Lusaka Times, Zambian Watchdog. The world will be watching.
You are just foolish and an egocentric moron. Grow up and face the reality of Barotseland.
The design of the rail was changed due to sand and now the rail cuts Zambia almost half, the 1964 document says the demacation is the rail. Let them be clear on which parts of Zambia they want. Gorvement should not take these people to jail because there is an AGREEMENT.
Oh please rubbish! Stop mixing up North Western Rhodesia and North Eastern Rhodesia. Barotseland is about Western Province. This is the area which is and used to be called Barotseland until 1969 when called changed the name to Western Province in 1969 upon the abrogation of the Barotse Agreement. Please desist from manufacturing your own history. It is alright to oppose the Barotse issue but please let be on informed facts not some made up nonsense. Please look at the resolutions of the Barotse National Council of Jan2012. They make no such claims on land that belongs to your Zambia! ubufi muleke!
In a freedom struggle, people die. That’s the sacrifice all humans pay for their freedom. Who knew that there would be a free South Sudan? Or very soon a free Scotland? One day the new 84 occupants of Mwembeshi prison will be remembered for their role in liberating Copperbelt, North-Western, Central, Lusaka, Southern and Western Provinces herein referred to as Barotseland.
Keep this in mind. It does not pay to be arrogant. I urge PF to sit down with their counterparts and resolve this issue where the neck is still small. Hashingo yamwana kishi kukasaho hachili hahandende, so the Luvales say.
Bringing the case to Lusaka is excellent publicity as there will be BBC, CNN, our own MUVI TV, Daily Nation, Lusaka Times, Zambian Watchdog. The world will be watching.
Mwenda Njangula, Barotseland is made up of Lusaka, Central, Copperbelt, North-Western, Southern and Western Provinces. The 84 remandees are our freedom fighters. Very soon the four poorest provinces will be the only ones to make up Zambia: no Central Bank, High & Supreme courts, No international airports, no nothing,
What is agony? Agony is to promise a breakaway of part of your country and only to realise later that the breakup will push you out of your own house (State House) because the house is in the breakaway land. Thank you, white man for education as those who hated it lack foresight.
KK is the fullist S.T.U.P.I.D I.D.I.O.T. He knows all the problems he caused but the old chap is dead quite
Iwe kapuli, there was nothing like western rhodesia. You will never get that land the earlier you jump in the lake the better
Why do you people cling to Barotseland so much? If she’s useless, LEAVE her alone. When someone divorces one, the best you can do is go your separate ways. Why kupapatila someone who says “I DON’T LOVE or NEED YOU ANYMORE”? It’s because Zambia knows that once this is done, there will be no Zambia. Own up, guys. Honor the Agreement or let us be. Stop clinging to us. We’ve refused. Period! Release our heros or expand your prisons because many of us are right now preparing to join them. If you want, kill us all.
@Mutobo, your example about love and divorce does not hold water; the example i can give here is, maybe, about your child telling you that he/she does not love you and is no longer your child.
This issue has failed in Namibia and others in that country went to USA for hinding but it has never helped them up to this day! Educated without common sense. Keep on singing loudly for more schools, hospitals, clinics…etc and that shall work for all in western province but not those stupid dreams.
Lol! Was there the issue of Barotseland Agreement in Namibia? Barotseland Agreement was between Northern Rhodesia and Barotseland. These are the two entities that signed a document to bring their two territories together under specific arrangements which Mr Kaunda later chose to ignore. We should be encouraging the two protagonists to sit around the table and iron out their disagreements. This issue is about governance and the distribution of resources. Is the current overcentralised system based suited to Zambia? How do we use the Barotse Agreement as a means to change the structures of democratic and devolved governance in Zambia? These are the pertinent questions we should be answering rather than drawing spurious parallels with other countries.
How do you expect Bemba tribalists to honour their words there is nothing honourable about these chaps. Before independence they used to raid thier friends to get food today they tell lies to get power. Shame on these Fools!
I dont care about this. One thing I know, Western province will forever remain part of a unitary state known as Zambia, until the end of the age. So ba baroste activist, your actions are an excercise in futility. I am speaking as a long time shushushu of this country. But currently working with the opposition.
Even if HH was to become president today (which I doubt), he would not honour the baroste agreement. This you should all know. If any sitting president is to honour the baroste agreement, that would signify the end of his rule (or life).
History will never die so long there is someone who remembers. You can murder a person not his idea or soul. Those who are torturing those LOZIS the ICCJ in Hague will catch up with them.
Dear baroste sympathiser, that will not happen. Anarchy should not be tolerated in the country. Zambia is Zambia as it has been since independence. Just like we are NOT happy with the way PF is governing the country, we will not condone indiscipline from these baroste criminals.
@NAALI YA Munna-Infact the International Criminal Court of Justice(ICCJ) has requseted the Zambian Government to submit a list of all the Baroste terrorists for a possible extradition to the Hague where they will join their counter part prisoners Boko Haram & Al-sha-Baab.
@NAALI Ya Munna, if the so called “Lozis”have broken the law of the land, there is nothing your ICCJ can do. The country will not sit back and watch chaps bring anarchy in a nation that has been peaceful since independence all in the name of some misunderstood agreement. Integrity is a virtue, and if for once you think the map of Zambia will ever change, think again. I wish you luck though.
Lozis, time is running out. Get your land while Sata is still president because he took sometime in 2011 talking to you over the matter, otherwise no other president of this country will waste time like sata did adressing this nonsense. The ball is in your hands
BAROTSE IS ZAMBIA AND ZAMBIA IS BAROTSE THAT IS IT AND THERE IS NO OTHER WAY.
Shut up. Malete.
Hoping that a Bemba Breed will understand BA64 is like hoping to get Water from a stone. It will take hundred years may be their grand children s.
ONE ZAMBIA
ONE NATION
NO BAROTSELAND FOR EVER AND EVER AMEN
UNTIL THE NEXT BIG BANG OR BIG FREEZE
I will proposes a bill in parliament to pass a law that criminalizes the mention of the abominable word “barotseland” .
@ [email protected] . And then I shall second it and if passes through, who ever mentions this abominable word”barotseland” must be sent to the gallows quickly quickly.
@ Hotmail and Osadabwa.
You are both S****. Make informed comments. The Post at one time published BA 1964. Honoring the Agreement actually safe guards the unitary state of Zambia. The Choongwe commission recommended to the govt to honor the Agreement. For your own information HH has actually promised to honor BA and use it as an example to devolve power to the rest of Zambia.
@ Jungle boy- You can say anything you want, you can insult if you can,you can cry if you want, you can hang yourself if you want, but Western Province shall FOREVER remain part of ZAMBIA till the end of the age. And bare in mind that Prison is waiting for terrorists like you. You will be fished out one by one.
@me@hotmail, humble yourself and cool down. Hot headed guys like you r the reason why a disaster may happen to zambia.
never call my homeland as abominable. I can never do that to u or your land. however much u have offended me, i am compelled to still love u as a human being.
the zambian government needs to handle this matter well. it is not as simple as it seems to simply use the army to apparently quel the matter. the lozis are not alone, even locally.
God help this unitary marriage stay or end well.
Lusaka is more ideal than Mongu for international media coverage. A field day in court. More sipesu please.
Please make sure that these people are punished. They should never think anyone will support them. Wish you the best in Prison because that’s what you wanted.
Regards
The Barotseland issue calls for great minds. For nearly 100 years prior to Zambia’s independence, the white man had tried to rule and subjugate the region to no avail. At independence Kenneth Kaunda stepped in the shoes of the white man and thought he could fool the Barotse people by agreeing to sign the Barotseland Agreement and then later abrogate it, strip the Litunga of his powers and change the name of the region from Barotseland to Western Province! That too hasn’t worked. Prior to independence, Barotseland was an autonomous state even under the white rule. The infamous BA 64 is the only document that gives Zambia the mandate to rule the region. Outside of the BA 64, Barotseland is off the hook and can decide to determine its own destiny. The matter is litigable.
Osadabwa iwe read what the other person has written first before reacting wildly. There is no connection between BA and Linyungandambo. This group has actually rebelled against BRE. You need to do some reading before you give your uniformed and nonsensical comments.
google this, not muletalikanafye you dont even know what you talking about. Clause 8.—(AGREEMENTS RELATING
TO BAROTSELAND.) HC Deb 10 July 1964 vol 698
cc776-86 776 § Question proposed, That the Clause stand part of the Bill.
The fuulish Sepo should take away his munyukunyuku ignorance from the earth becoz the British duped a chief and gave him “power” over imaginary land in order for them to stay. All papers signed out of crookedness are null and void.
That includes the country called Zambia…….its a creation of British colonialists and according to your logic it should be declared null and void. Honestly, there are just too many Zambians who are very dull! It explains why Sata is President !