Moving boundaries to make the ruling party win elections is not good reasoning-Sondashi

1. MCS wants to weaken the Tongas by taking away the 2 richest districts

   • @Tonga Bull, how will moving borders weaken tongas?

   • Tonga bull think with your brain and not with your tribe.you are very useless,shame on you man.nowonder even if am tonga i cant vote 4 your careless mouth.shame on you once again

   • You very right! only bembas support this nonsense.

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3. Sata is his own enemy. He doesnt think through his decisions and rarely consults and when he does, he gets advise from the highly opinionated Fred membe with a poisoned communist head. In himself, Sata is a good man who is just being misled by membe with narrow political interest. Sata never had ideas of Chirundu and ITT, but this was shoved down his thought by Membe, who convinced miles sampa to tell the old man to buy into this. Even Miles sampa’s statement was never his. He was told by mmembe to go and say it in parliament where there are fake prevaleges. The young man was blackmailed to spew the bad nonsence

   • What a piece of crap you have posted, dunderhead/scatterbrain.

4. Babulayi! our forefathers crossed from somewhere and found themselves in zambia due to land conflicts. This nonsense should stop with immediate effect.

5. trivia thinking Sondashi…..nowonder you ve never been powerful politician

   • self preservation start with identity.without it what use is the nut (containing the brain) above your shoulders.

6. I dont foresee what difference is, in alignment of towns districts,It does not matter

   Let the president do as he likes, after all he has made great contribution to this country

   Overzealous statements like from the man above who I have never hear of are merely empty noises from a man who wants attention

   This man should go away

   Thanks

   • What contribution to this country has the president made, apart from employing a polisher for his seven guns?  He has failed to deliver even a single developmental project within 145 days of his presidency. Nobody has been arrested over his corruption fight.  Instead the Kwacha has steeply depreciated and he is quickly turning Zambia into a communist country.

   • Well give him time, he has a pedigree from his time in MMD and UNIP I don’t want to talk of what he has done, I read somewhere he revolutionized the health ministry as a minister then of Health

     Give due where it is 

     Thanks

   • am getting a feeling this chi mushota is just here in zambia with british dongle claiming to be in europe

   • For the first time Mushota has said something that is sensible

7. Is he was also a Bantustan according to the arrogant Mmembe? Its like anybody who opposes Sata’s tribal hagemony is a tribalist and a Bantustan…What a scum newspaper.

8. There is no need to consult over an obviously absurd and ill-conceived boundary shuttling.  This is no real development but just a way of thumbing peoples’ noses just to show that somebody is  now in power and can do whatever he wants.  It is obnoxious and nonsensical.  There is no need for consultation.  These moves should be rejected outright.  It is a no brainer.

9. 50 Cents, are you saying that Sata and sampa are ……..?

10. U fools,why are u opening your beaks like that?Nothing is wrong with Moving boundaries.Zambia is just one.Each one as his or her own system of governance.U can’t as your friend why chairs in his sitting room are closed to each other or why they are arranged in that manner?Mr stupid Dr.Sondashi,wait for your time to come,that’s when u’ll think of your fake plans.Let PF go forward.

    • Hey poop boy, thats not the spirit. Read understand and respond with reasons. Whats the science behind the geographical boundaries for each province? You know how provinces were created and why? Obviously yu do’nt. Well respect for other’s points of view is essential for all of us. Mazyu mwida o nchinga hichende yimwi. Che! Wabalya!

11. uko…..baba…….chinibaba

12. Talk technology, all this talk would’nt be necessary. High speed train on all major routes and internet. Video conference to cut costs and decentralisation. Once funded eg the funds at a click of a button hit the account of the remotest town. Talk IFMIS. This is the problem of thinking you know it all. Was like some smart leader at some meeting who urged men not to be selfish in family planning but help especially in once in a while taking the family pill themselves!

13. KEEP YOURR MUCHINGS TO YOURSELF. WHO NEEDS IT? SHIT. LAT YOUR HANDS OFF SOLWEZI, SOUTHERN AND BAROSTELAND. TWAKANA BAKOLWE, NINSHI UBUCHUMFWA MWENCHUSI.

14. @chipubachesu…its true mulicipuba…are you telling me you haven’t seen any changes(developments) in this government…you are a laggard and a die hard MMD…mukafwa nabwima……

15. for the first time @mushota ukulandapo ifyamano……thank God…..the Devil is defeated…

16. Insane bloggers, no thinking at all, shallow minds.

17. Is this old man still breathing. I wanted to insult him but remembered that he is the father of one of my old friends from UNZA Jebb the rasta who is late now.

18. Senseless bloggers

19. The ZAMBIAN local by laws have effects on what may happen if this madness is continued. The economic position of the Itezhi Tezh and people aroung will be affected as cattle movements between two provinces need vet certifgication. This mad man must not be allowed to do mad things
    Leting the president do as he wises is like allowing Chainama dwellers to do as they wish

20. Some of you bloggers here are very much intellectually challenged.I am yet to see an argument about the re-demarcation which doesn`t border on tribal lines.Think before you hit the submit column imwe ba kanyangu.

21. It is called Gerrymandering..

22. Dr Sondashi who told you that the boundaries of Solwezi will be moved? Ebufi ubu ba Sondashi, don’t just talk for the sake of talking.

23. come sondashi not you. i thought you will never retain.dem!

24. I blame the one who relayed the message to the old man,forgive him he was just mislead….

    @ Mushota u are a fast learner on the other article I told u to grow up and u have great feeling aint it Mushota..?

25. Don’t you see that you will have more money in your pockets after re-allignment? Just like your car runs better after re-alligning the wheels. The next to be grabbed will be Mazabuka with its sweet sugar!!

26. Mr Sondashi is right. Consultation is better and away with dictatorial policies. People should be consulted. Too much presidential powers thats why we need a people driven constitution to avoid all this dictatorship.

27. I always used to defend people from SP and NWP when people pass bad comments on them, and all my friends are from SP. But, the way they are behaving on Chirundu and ITT issue, am now having second thoughts. What does Nalubamba gain or loss whether Chirundu is part of SP or Lusaka? To me all these are non-issue for serious people. One Zambia One Nation 

    • you are not wise my friend. look at issues with wisdom…one day bembaz will cry for being marginalized because of the trend PF government is setting. consult Zambian history records and you will understand the cry of the people of the affected areas. don’t you know that the major cause of conflicts in Africa and world today is because of land? wake up and follow the issues surrounding Palestine, Rwanda genocide, Zimbabwe unrest, yo own family villages/farms/houses…you think the SP and NWP are mad? you definitely a nuisance and a “snake” to your SP and NWP friends. change and take this as contractive criticism.

28. Development is in the mind of people, so shifting the baoundaries in not the money in the pocket, sorry, Solwezi yentu mwane ba kolwe

29. This so called realignment is without doubt politically motivated. By chipping away some districts from Southern and Northwestern Provinces  and merging them with Lusaka and Copperbelt Provinces which are predominantly PF Strongholds, PF is attempting to  forcibly move in and spread it`s tentacles of influence into those provinces.  A leader who is preoccupied with scheming as a larger part of his leadership traits can cause strife, especially when people can see through the schemes.

30. learned Lawyers have spoken..what does the illiterate generation of leaders say..?leva SP alone..kwapwa..

31. Chi Mushota is just a plant by lusaka times to create controvecy and hence making this site interesting. It does not exist people, just ignore it. It’s becoming really old now.

    • (s)he has a valid point though.

32. Thats Decentralisation in Cycle Mata Chilufyanya’s sense.Wapya munzi.Worst still creating more districts which are not budgeted for,anyhow the new PF Chinese will look into it.

33. Fred Mmembe chamukalipa ili bad zoona SP!! We dont give a F*******ck man! Go to hell with your Post ka Fred..Ka fred claims to be intelligent when he is very dull! Tell your Serpent to stop antogonising us in SP.You can be ruling but you cant take away what belongs to us (SP).Let the war broke am gona come to defend my brothers and sisters until you wipe all of us.

34. Ask your Heroe Kaunda will tell you that do not mess up with Southern Province,its a hard nut to crack.we are from the solid foundation.Kaunda the once most powerful on Zambian Soil failed to manipulate the people of Southern Province.We are simply not easily corruptible.Serpent Sata should take a Leaf from this once Powerful man.

35. useless chaps-swallow your pride and commend SATA bringing the two districts to the powers that be

36. De 19:14  You must not move your neighbor’s boundary marker, set up by former generations, on the property that will be allotted to you in the land that the LORD your God is giving you to possess.
    De 27:17  “Cursed be anyone who moves a neighbor’s boundary marker.” All the people shall say, “Amen!”

37. bamudala ba sondashi twapapata!sata is thinking development and . u re thinking elections tekenni bola panshi we hv 4yrs 8months to go.gv chance to pf to prove itself.

38. when the PF created muchinga Province 5 months ago, the pipo of Nothern Province, eastern Province and Eastern Province did not cry foul; if anything Zambians were happy that this is for easier running of the country, why do the Tongas back now that realignment of the country called Zambia is taking place in a place where HH comes from? If we all feel that we belong to the same country we should not mind whether Itezi-tezhi is in Eastern province or in Luapula. If I am casting a vote against sata it does not matter whether I am in Livingstone or in serenje. I do not see how this re-alignment will favor one politician against the other, give people chance to serve Zambia…!

39. too much ‘power hungry’ can be dangerous. this man really wanted to be president thats why he wants to do anything to make his party stay.

40. Lawyers and historians know that the Northern Rhodesia (Crown Lands and Native Reserves) Order in Council 1928 is what first gave us the dual system of land adminstration. Land (other than land in Barotseland and three freehold areas vested in the Company) was divided into Crown lands and Native Reserves. On attaining independence in 1964, the Northern Rhodesia (Crown lands and Native Reserves) Order in Council 1928 to 1963, the Northern Rhodesia (Native Trust land) Orders in Council 1947 to 1963 and the Northern Rhodesia (Gwembe District) Order in Council 1959 were not revoked. The current Lands Act, Cap 184 recognises State and Customary Land with the former under control of Chiefs. The President CANNOT make a decision on Customary land without consultations. I am a lawyer.

    • spot on

41. Really what difference will it make if the grz of the day will simply wake up one morning and anounce that my village, Musangu, will now move from Mwense to Kawambwa district? If my village folks will now travel shorter distance to lodge their court papers etc at the nearest magistrate office why should I object? If my relatives from Mwense will still be able to visit my village in Kawambwa without the need to produce a passport why should it be my concern about which district my village belongs to? Really? Are were sure Sata is doing all this in an attempt to get more votes in an elections? Without manipulating the mind sets of the village folk! Please Bwana HH and ba Sondashi please give us a break!

42. # 14 Anaylst. You allege to have seen development with PF govt. Tabulate any development Zambians have not seen that you see. On correction your perception of changes and creation of districts is seen to be development. Changes of development correlate with productivity generating income to benefit the general public. Does thay fit with your development seen in PFgovt? In a land of the blind, a one eyed man is easily made a King indeed.

43. PF has no clear policies to govern..we need to change govt!!

44. @pipo will be moved according to Dr Sawdust “He added that the people affected in the annexation must be consulted,both affected people to be moved from their existing province and those remaining in the left over district” Such statement are alarming! Are the pipo going to be physically be moved! Teach me something here. Badala U ve been misled!

45. Sondashi must be hellucinating again,who told him Solwezi will be part of C/belt,infact Sata empahatically used Solwezi as an example how it is not possible to make it part of C/belt.The population of Zambia has increased more than tenfold,we cannot afford to have the same districts and provinces anymore,what Sata is doing is just the beginning,this has been long ovedue,in another ten years we might have more provinces and districts de[pending on the demogradhic dynamics.Just like a city like lusaka,suburbs like Maken,Chelstone,Matero for instance,under normal developmental devolution are supposed to be semi autonomous from LCC.

46. The owners of the land have said NO so why do you want to impose?If you push them too much they will start calling for independence,which they are rightly entitled to.After all frankly there is nothing special about being part of Zambia.Learn from other countries.Why dont you let sleeping dogs lay?

47. I WONDER WHAT MOST PEOPLE THINK INCLUDING SONDASHI. THERE IS NO ANY LAND ,PEOPLE OR ANY PHYSICAL ELEMENT THAT WILL BE MOVED TO ANY PLACE THAN WERE IT IS TODAY. DOES IT MEAN THESE GUYS AND SOME BLOGGERS CAN´T SENSE THE LOGIC BEHIND THIS? THE WAY ZAMBIA IS DEMAKETED MAKES SOME PEOPLE IN SOME AREAS NOT TO REACH SOME OF THE IMPORTANT AREAS LIKE CLINICS SCHOOLS AND OTHER FACILITIES LIKE COURTS. PLEASE DON´T FOLLOW WHAT THOSE PEOPLE LIKE HAKAINDE AND SONDASHI WHO LIVE IN TOWNS TO FOOL YOU. IF YOU DON´T WANT MR. SATA YOU CAN STILL SAY NO TO YOUR VOTE. THERE ARE SO MANY PROVINCES THAT HAVE BEEN MOVED OR RE ALINED BEFORE AND NO ONE OR LAND HAS BEEN MOVED. THINK PROPERLY AND AVOID PEOPLE CALLING YOU NAMES LIKE ILLITERATES

48. Thank you Dr Sondashi but remember this is the man you wanted to be president ,be principled for once sir.You supported a thug of a man.The chap is busy driving the country in a drain.

49. I respect Sondashi’s right to an opinion, but this opinion is irrelevant and false. Sondashi is merely stating that this is the reason he would have for adjusting district and provincial boundaries. PF have no inclination to pull in more parliamentary seats and most of those challenged in court they have actually lost .

    As the more sensible bloggers have stated repeatedly. there will be no physical relocation of the districts in question, but an administrative adjustment to allow better management of local and regional government issues. To try and manage a country based on boundaries made more than 40 years ago is getting us no where.

50. Northern and eastern provices were cut to form Muchinga province. No chief there protested. They are wise. They know that provinces are just on government papers and are meant for government services and administration. Provinces have nothing to do with chiefs. If a chiefdom falls in a combination of provinces who cares. Boarderline chiefdoms can have land across two or three provinces who cares. Zambia is not a country divided by chiefdoms or kingdoms. Can someone show me a map of Zambia showing chiefdom boundaries? No survey has been conducted and so this cry about a land belonging to a chief cannot stand in the court of justice. No chief has title deeds for their chiefdoms and the sooner they get that into their skulls the better. Who said southern province belongs to the Tonga Chiefs?

51. All of you here are just mumbling. You have no data. Sata’s reason for realigning is preparation of the country for decentralisation. Every person needs to prepare for action according to how they see that they will work best. ITT had no problem getting instructions from Livingstone. Sata moved the capital to Choma and people have forgotten so soon and are now saying Choma is closer to ITT than Kabwe. Is Kabwe not closer to ITT than Livingstone? How can you be against realignment when you are using a realigned district as an argument.

    It is the government and not the chiefs who will be doing the administration of the districts. Why do you tell the people who will work not to move things around? Do chiefs allocate funds or oversee the budget?

52. Sata has not said realigning the districts will mean taking away land from chiefdoms. The chiefs should look into the constitution and read what it says about their powers concerning land in Zambia. Look closely at the political map. Southern province does not belong to the chiefs there and they are not the custodians of the land by Zambian law.

    • That is a good point Chalwe. I really dont know what the chiefs are scared of. They don’t have any land in Zambia – all land belongs to the president. And it would be disastrous if chiefs were given land to own – because of tribal inclinations it will be difficult to administer land through chiefs. What is also happening in Zambia is that these chiefs are giving away their land to investors who are converting that land into titled land – very soon all customary land shall be state land…! So I really don’t understand what the paranoia is all about. Maybe Mr. Sata should explain more to people.

53. “Job creation” and not unnecessary and spontaneous district realignment should be the priority. We also would like to see measures taken to stem the devaluation of the Kwacha. The question is what will stop the kwacha gaining back those zeros after debasing if our economy is not stable? 

54. I am still mad about Muchinga. SATA must stop making provinces and re-districting the republicans in America also have evil ideas like that. Which always backfire on their lying trying to claim Christianity selves. Decentralization can be done without splitting people groups and their ancient placements. I support my.president but not on this one. Please mr. SATA heed our words.

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56. Dear Bloggers, allow to express my humble opinion too, what the President the is doing is not lawful, he has no mandate to create and shift bounders -where you call it de-or ce, it is the same thing. There is the process through this should have been done. The only problem is that in Zambia there have never been National Law – if anything, whatever  law have was meant to sustain and cement the power of whoever was in power. This is not new, so the next President will reverse all the mess the Sata might do-( I strong support of HE, here am just been objective). In conclusion, What Mr. Sondashi,has  insinuated is called Gerrymandering here in the States. 

57. Dear Bloggers, allow me to express my humble opinion too. Whether,what  the President is doing is lawful or not , he has no mandate to create and shift bounders -Whether you call it de-or ce, it is the same thing. There is a process through which this should have been done. The only problem is that in Zambia there have never been National Law – if anything, whatever  law existed was there to sustain and cement the power of whoever was in power. This is not new, so the next President will reverse all the mess Sata might do-( I strongly support his HE, here am just been objective). In conclusion, What Mr. Sondashi,has  insinuated is called Gerrymandering here in the States. 

58. This really beats me – Mr. Sondashi is so intelligent. He is a doctor for God’s sake – how does moving a border between districts affect intermarriages? How does that affect being Tonga or being Bemba? Zambia is a unitary state – tribes do not have boundaries – the land belongs to the president. Belonging to a tribe in Zambia means respecting and observing cultures and traditions of that tribe. People remember Zambia is becoming an urbanised country. Many of us in Lusaka, Mongu, Mansa, Solwezi do not belong to the predominant tribes in those towns – but we are investing and curving a full life for ourselves there – what is wrong with that. This is not a political issue – it is an administrative issue. Let us create a Zambia we will be proud of..!

59. I did not know that Sondashi also thinks like a person who has not seen the four corners of a classroom!His comments are misplaced,misleading and display tribalism.He is not different from HH.Why are people refusing to think?UPND is a regional tribal party and as such HH will never rule Zambia.Tongas are good people but are being misled by selfish politicians like HH.Those who care to read and understand please read the EDITORIAL COMMENT in the Post “Explain what you are doing”.It gives an incite of what this realignment means.Surely Zambian we cannot allow ourselves to be driven by people with selfish motives like HH.Wake up Tongas before it too late.The POST is right Chainama might be the destination for some people!!

    • Wake up your POST zombie Fred Has and agenda and you playing into his web or are you so knee dip in his shit you cant even smell the fresh air of free thinking Zambian.

60. Reposted from another blogger:
    “People who have travelled by road to Siavonga experience this kind of geographic landscape and scenery: 1. start from Lusaka; 2. arrive Kafue Town which is part of Lusaka Province; 3. after crossing Kafue Rd Bridge you are in Mazabuka District; 4. drive on the Chirundu Rd which is part of Mazabuka; 5 the road tambles through curves as one approaches the Zambezi escarpment within Mazabuka; 6. before you reach the Valley floor, the road runs through a first series of escarpment slopes within Mazabuka; 7.then when you cross a bridge which was bombed by the Rhodesian racists this marks the boundary between Mazabuka and Siavonga; 8. you will cross a 2nd bridge which was also bombed by Rhodesian whites you are in Siavonga; the road runs through more curves along

61. very steep escarpment slopes recently broadened by a Chinese Contractor and you reach level ground in areas inhabited by our people till you get to Kariba Turn-off; 9. about 500 meters from Kariba/Siavonga road junction you touch the Fossils Monument (where trees turned into rocks) as you proceed to Chirundu; 10. furthermore you can buy refreshments before you arrive at Chirundu Boarder.

    This narration reveals that to get to Chirundu, one has to drive through Mazabuka District. One fails to understand the geographical logic of appending Chirundu to Lusaka Province. Fof God’s sake where did Guy Scott get his PhD degree which fails him to advise his lunatic President? Otherwise the PF guys do not care on the plight of the people in this country but set on massive plunder.

62. If you see an injustice being perpetrated,fight it with your hands if this is not possible fight it with your tongue if this is not possible fight it with your ideal and thoughts then you will be counted as a freedom fighter.Dividing(marginalization) of southern province to please egos of a despotic regime is an injustice.

63. The creation of districts and the re allighnment are not issues of national interest but party interest.This was never mentioned in the PF campaigns. Where there is a political will the nation can still be developed without this useless activity which may just cause division and civil strife in the country

64. At it from a former MMD minister … If its was HH there was going to be insults, accusations, etc. Please DR. Sondashi say it in bemba to accomodate PF …

65. @ Moonga … mascarading as southerner … Hahahahahahahaha. Even your fellow bemba can see the light. You will not break the southerners  never!! Just go deliver what u promised “money in the pockets” labelling people as tribalists will not satisfy people. Deliver baba deliver!!!!!!

66. By the time Sata leaves office, this country won’t be the same.

67. #60,61 Reason,are you aware that the President has instructed the Road Developement Agency(RDA) to construct a new road from Lusaka south to Chirundu via Chiyawa?Before your mind meanders along the existing Lusaka -Chirundu road and make unreasonable conclusions analyse the President’s speech he made in Parliament and the plan he unvailed concerning infrastructure developement which included the new Lusaka-Chirundu via Chiyawa.Think before you vomit rubbish!!

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