YOUR FUTILE ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT THE COMMISSION OF INQUIRY INTO THE
MONGU RIOTS OF 14 JANUARY 2011
I had the privilege to sit through your paid for live interview on ZNBC Television last night and wish to bring forth my observations and question the logic in your arguments against the findings of the Roger Chongwe Commission of Inquiry over the issue of Barotseland. The points I wish to address are as follows:
1. Terms of Reference
Your claim that the Commission was not mandated to inquire into the matter of the Barotseland Agreement 1964 boggles the mind. Term of Reference no. 11 (TOR 11) required the Commission to “Ascertain the concerns of the people of Western Province and recommend mechanism for resolving them”.
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Do we really need to translate the wording of this TOR into the Lenje language for you to grasp the fact that it is an open-ended assignment and has no limit as to what the Commission could come up with? What in your view are the major concerns of the people of Barotseland exhibited in the last twenty years that you have been involved in Zambian politics and what methods have you applied to determine them?
The fact that the Commission was confronted with the matter of the Barotseland Agreement was very clear from press reports of its sittings. The concerns of the people of Barotseland are varied but that of the abrogation of this independence treaty tops them all. The word ‘concerns’ embraces all issues under contention which need not be itemized. If, for example, the people had complained widely about the sandy terrain of the Province would not the Commission have recommended an environmentally based project to address the issue? In such a case your PF Government would have probably rejected this recommendation on account of its astronomical cost and not because the word ‘sand’ was not written in the TORs.
Quite clearly, your poor interpretation of the Commission’s TORs is most disappointing for a person of your professional background.
Further, your assertion that the Chairperson of the Commission determined the contents of the Report on account of his emotional attachment to the issue of former Barotse Detainees suggests that his fellow Commissioners were dummies with no minds of their own, which is very unfortunate for a man of your standing.
It is obvious that TOR 11 was written with ill-motive and your expectations from the same have not materialized. I challenge you to be man enough to tell the nation what you had hoped to achieve by this TOR.
2. The British Government and the Barotseland Agreement 1964
You claimed that if the Agreement is restored the British Government, having been part to it, would be compelled to perform some duties in respect to it. You were not magnanimous enough to pin point what the obligations of the British Government under the treaty are. However,this agreement was recently published by your government and if you care to read it you will find that the only point at which it makes reference to the Colonial Power is at paragraphs 1 and 4 of the preamble.
Paragraph 4 makes it very clear that Her Majesty’s Government in the United Kingdom is being released from its power,rights and obligations relating to Barotseland which had subsisted up to the time of agreement and that fresh arrangements were being agreed to for the Government of Northern Rhodesia to take care of the issues relating to Barotseland when Northern Rhodesia becomes the Republic of Zambia. Paragraph 1 clearly states that the Colonial Power was signing the agreement to signify its acceptance and approval of the contents of the agreement.
It is obvious that the Barotseland Agreement 1964 is part and parcel of the instruments making up the declaration of independence of Northern Rhodesia, inclusive of Barotseland, from British Rule. It is also the foundation upon which the Unitary of Zambia rests and this point is made very clear by paragraph 3 of the preamble. Therefore,under international law, it would be illegal for the British to poke their noses in the affairs of Barotseland, save at the invitation of the Zambian Government which the British are be at liberty to turn down. On the other hand, the unilateral termination of the Agreementby the Zambian Government has nullified all that it stood for,technically setting Barotseland free to determine its affairs and deal with any government within the world.
Your assertions about British obligations under the Agreement are clearly illogical and are either a deliberate attempt to mislead the nation or a failure on your part to correctly interpret a straight treaty.
3. Prominent Lozis and the Abrogation of Agreement.
You appear to find solace in the fact that some leading politicians from Barotseland connived with KK to abrogate the Agreement. You have said that this fact alone makes the call for its restoration unjustified even though, surprisingly, you refer to the acts of the named people as ‘abrogation’.
Is it your position that if today’s prominent Zambian politicians connived with a foreign power to undermine Zambia’s sovereignty then it would not be right for future generations of Zambians to correct the damage? Why is your government reversing the sale of Zamtel and Zanaco when these transactions were conducted by prominent Zambians?
4. PF Manifesto and Barotseland.
The majority of voters in this country do not base their decisions on written party manifestos but on what the contesting politicians verbally proclaim on election campaign platforms. The poor reading culture of Zambians transcends all strata of society including the elite. For this reason even leading politicians forget what is contained in their beautifully written manifestos, which they do not read, and instead create mini verbal manifestos based on their assessment of what their audience wants to hear. Accordingly, every utterance a politician makes to woo voters is part of his social contract with the electorate once elected.
In conclusion I want to point out that the Patriotic Front’s current attempts to escape culpability over its pre-election undertakings regarding the Barotseland Agreement 1964 is haste and poorly conducted. It only serves to underscore the duplicity and unreliable nature of Zambian politicians. It is not surprising, as has been proved over and over, that the most devastating scoundrels this country has produced are those who rise to political prominence. You, Mr. Kabimba, your Party and the Government of the day need to clean up your act in this respect.
I hope you will be courageous enough to react to these matters publicly, as you did in your paid for interview.
Mutungulu Wanga – MOREBA
Interim Chairman.
This issue yachita over.I can see that emotions are beggning to boil.
awe mwandi, i’m going to get myself a Gun.
These people’s way of doing things is pathetic.
heheheh..wynter kabimba exposed his dullness and ignorance..what a lawyer..!is that the position of PF..?then we are lost…
vanillaice we mbushi we, your are so bitter !!! ninshi, uli nchushi ? get a life !!! perpetrating lies pushi iwe !!!
Just open up Western province to external capital and let the Government concentrate on giving development to all provinces instead of being selfish.
Did u honestly think at one moment that HEMCS will restore the BA64? Comeon guys, u might have a good reason for your cries but forget it….U should have known the person who was standing on the podium and addressing u……………..kikikikiki
On the other Hand its a good lesson for u guys who made emotional decisions rather than being objective…Shame….
Winter or Wynter is the dullest person who can stand and shamelessly discredit the calibre and credibility of his fellow practitioners meaning those are laywers that should never represent any cases…..
CLEARING THE FEARS OF THE PF gvt ARE NOT KNOW….MAY SOME ONE EXPLAIN THE CONSEQUENCES OF RESTORING THE BA64 SO THAT WE FIND A PEACEFUL AND MUTUAL SOLUTION, THIS BIKERING IS NOW IRRETATING??
You are one bitter frustrated opinionated wanker. If it were not for your tone I may have considered the logic of your argument, but you’re the one that seems to be talking from (bitter) emotion rather than from rationale. Which bickering? The same one in which you are participating?
kabimba was the Litunga there when the GRZ abrogated the agreent? Tamukwete amano mukwae. Secretary Genneral exposing his iginorance.. Shame!
Am I the only one who thinks has government has misplaced priorities?
This epitomizes it, If you ask me
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Winter lambasted like a silly child by MOREBA. Well done MOREBA. I like the way you state the issue of abrogation in relation to the reversal of ZAMTEL sale. Brilliant stuff.!
I never knew that the MOREBA is another political party, if its not then they need to have a very different procedure altogether. The land was not grabbed as I understand it, it was agreed upon that it be a unitary state, thus Zambia. That agreement binds and no one unless from selfish motives would argue that what constitute as zambia today is the effort of every zambian. Its quite disturbing to note that at this state we should be fighting over issues of secession which I deem irrelevant at present. What is the need, just because you were promised! no far from it. People are getting together to develop, should we be busy discusing division in Zambia. This will really be the test of our maturity and our altruism otherwise we are just a bunch of hedonists. God bless a unitary Zambia.
There was deceit! Its the deceit that’s causing the anger. Someone is trying to hide the truth about the spirit of the agreement. Lets be truthful first before we embrace each other. Let truth prevail. Do not be ready to perpetuate a lie.
MOREBA will be de-registered by the Registrar of Societies for an unspecified indiscretion, and re-aligned to one of the new political parties…
Yes, CK, it was agreed that we become one zambia one nation, but later, that agreement was rejected and cast out of the constitition. barotseland agreement is not divisionn, its not sucesion. what we mean is that we want to be part of zambia l,egally, by having the terms that were agreed enshrined in the consttion. if that is not done, then we refer to zambia as our colonisers
The effect of restoring the BA64 would be that the people of Barotseland would benefit from being Zambians and at the same time have autonomy & special status from the rest of the Zambian people. That would be grossly immoral, against public policy & egregiously greedy of the Lozis.
Well atticullated
So wat is ur argument, you want the agreement to be restored, wat benefit will it bring? U people ar accusing PF of not developing the nation. Nd yet u want this retarding issue to bring its urgly face on our land,wat development wil it bring apart from fightng and divisions?.
I watched the program on ZNBC and I can say that WYNTER KABIMBA was not convincing enough when he was asked why his party promised to Restore the Barotseland Agreement. I was not impressed with the answer and I could read dishonesty in his eyes as he laboured to explain the point
SICK AND TIRED OF THIS NONSENSE!
Fake kwacha,K 3 trillion printed in China,now this?
# 5 You are not suggesting that “thoze guyz who made immotional rather than being objective (am sure you mean by voting for Sata)”, should have settled for Milupi, Chipimo, Miyanda, HH or indeed retained RB? For once I thought Kabimba’z live interview waz a clear manifestation of Public Media abuse even if it waz paid for.
i had the chance to listen to wynter’s interview. i’m not lozi but just a zambian who tries to be sober minded and objective. what i heard from wynter was really disapointing as the man was not talking isues of substance, he reminded me of the late tetamashimba!!!! a man of his calibre is supposed to be one high standing in society………a lawyer for goodness sake, secretary general of the ruling party. i’m sure frank mutubila had more burning questions but decided out of his diplomacy to save old wynter and the pf party any further embarassment. God help us
Nzelu ni weka nazo nazo!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We need each other (Barotseland and Northern rhodesia) the issue can be discussed for the benefit of all the people of Zambia. Can someone explain the benefit of restoring the Barotse agreement to the people of current western province and to Zambia, economically and politically.
@ The Only living Jay, did you listen to the interview? You are so clouded by the loss of your party that you cannot even sit to analyse anything. I keep saying this, the people to suffer from this uncalled for agitation will be the common man. You will be having Coffee at the Randburg mall while the people you mislead will be dying of hunger and disease in refugee camps. Let the common man in sesheke, lukulu decide what they want. Peace isuma bane.
If you say say Winter exposed his shallowness, what more then the majority of the PF government because the caliber of Winter are those considered to be the intellectuals of the party?
What is the demand of the people of western province? I am not saying what is the demand of Lozis.
Now Kabimba and PF supporters listen to a learned Lawyer explain things above. Your Winter is indeed has the brain cells in a winter condition all the times hence his thinking. Please work on rising you body core temperature so you can start thinking again to be in a position to advise the PF govt correctly or just keep to your self. Do not expose yourself so even children start doulting your intellect. PF has started a number of things which they won’t see to the end such as subdividing SP purely out of not liking Tongas.
There’s no need for teh BA64. What will Lozis gain by breaking away from zambia, if that is what they want. Nothing. They are better off being part of the Zambia. What we need is to share the cake equally and fairly. One Zambia One Nation is the best way to go.
REFERENDUM ON THIS ISSUE MAY BE THE WAY FORWARD. LET PEOPLE DEBATE FREELY IN THE MEANTIME BUT FINALLY LET PEOPLE VOTE ON THIS ISSUE AS IT CONCERNS EVERY ZAMBIAN. ONE MAN CAN NOT MAKE A DECISION CONCERNING THIS MATTER.
Why is KK quiet? Why isnt the Litunga appealing to the Supreme or High court if he isnt happy about the status quo as stipulated in the BA64?
MORREBA Where do emanate from bwana for you to think that Barotse can easily be given its Independence?Wake up bwana do not use your royal affiliation to go up the political ladder , Prove yourself and lets see if your tribesmen will vote for you disgruntle mangwam.
Kabimba, Zwa! PF, Zwa!
Ki nako!
PF is just caught in a web they created. winning an election at all cost. MCS clearly stated that he flavored the restoration and insinuated by all means that he will if he was voted president. and yet many of us all knew that the chap was incapable of this. his history with Barotse issue is clear.
Well, this stupid and dull lawyer Kabimba really amazes me because i was of the view that lawyers are learned and have decorum. Lawyers are supposed to address each other in a particular manner and not the kaponya way that ZAMBIANS are being subjected to. Dr. Rodger chongwe is an emminent legal practioner who has handled and won a number of court cases. How many cases has kabimba won???. The meaning and spirit of the TORs implied that the COI had to deal with the BA64 given that this is the root cause of mongo riots/deaths. Infact, kabimba is insulting all the commissioners and all those people who made representations to the COI. Kabimba, learn to respect other people, even in their ignorance and lack of education.
IF LOZIS DONT CHANGE TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT ZAMBIA IS ONE AND THIS WILL NEVER CHANGE, THEY WILL CONTINUE LAGGING BEHIND. JUST LIKE OTHER PROVINCES( TRIBES)THEY NEED TO OPEN UP W/PROVINCE FOR LOCAL AND FOREIGN INVESTMENT FOR THE PROVINCE TO DEVELOP. PIPO LIKE MORREBA LIKE DAY DREAMING.
hahahahaa dull PHIRI, if W/province is lagging behind in development, which one is leading in development? E/province. hahahhahaaa in your dreams
Hey Steven, No. 22, hahahaha, hehehehe! You have cracked my ribs with laughter! Kekekekeke! Indeed you have made my day! ati Kabimba is considered to be an intellectual of the party, kekekekekeke!
This differentiates Seb Zulu from Roger. A whimp from a man.
If you pay Seb, he will do whatever you like;sell UNIP to MMD or write a report that suits whoever is funding it like the Zamtel report.
Chongwe remains his own man regardless and will always do his job professionally.
Lozis are the biggest let down in Zambia today apart from being tribalism. They only have themselves to blame for lagging behind if its proven they are because of their selfishness and thinking that they are special when they are not. Let them keep on dreaming and Sata is just right to throw away the findings of these selfish people bamakaka!
@peace maker…..do not be stupid and call others let downs, how old are you? cant blogg maturely….
And i believe Frank Mutubila, like Frank Bwalya, is pro-PF, so he left out some valid questions so that poor Kabimba could not be embarrassed further with his poor answering skills and ignorance on certain issues at the topic at hand. I really don’t know if we will ever have the calibre of interviewers like late Charles Mando who told it as it was, and never to took sides. With the coming into power of the current regime, every sane observer knows that Frank Mutubila, frankly speaking, has frankly shown political leanings in his interviews.
If there will be violence over Barotseland, I will surely leave my job to go and fight for my country, my land, Barotseland. These are issues of belonging, and no one is supposed to tamper with them.
I will leave my job and I am ready to shed my blood for my land. And I know many lozi people are thinking the same.
We will take our land back.
I am with you on this one!
Lozis enjoy being lied to by Sata, so please enjoy the lies but please donchi kubeba.
mwamukolooooooooooooooo!
The BA of 64 does not refer to complete independence – the call for this has come out of the frustration over the years – where, firstly the govt. abrogated the agreement and secondly went on to ignore the province in terms of meaningful employment. The agreement did recognise the creation of a unitary state of Zambia, but with the Litunga enjoying his own powers in respect of the province. He was to have control over land issues, who sets up businesses in the province, brewing of alcohol e.t.c
a dont kubeba on ivory coast then another dont kubeba on the Lozis. lol
Winter Kabimba is the epitome of what we now know as pathetic fools
You see a honest government should have apologized to the people of western province and should have told then that while in opposition PF did not fully understand the implication of the Barotseland agreement and that now PF is ruling they understand the implication and will not honor it. Eg Obama came out and said the quantanamo issues was not as as simple as when he was in opposition. and Americans have understood. winters showed an attitude and reaction was pathetic to say the least for a ruling government. I now agree that PF is very confused and may take the country no where unless the president brings in people with proper knowledge and up right.
“… It is not surprising, as has been proved over and over, that the most devastating scoundrels this country has produced are those who rise to political prominence…”
Wow, you have to give it to this man! He is so very articulate, I can only admire from my corner.
Kabimba this is no kids play, this is grown men stuff man!
Take out your side over the BA’64 from your heard and read that statement again and see how true it is… anyone remember George Kunda? What about the late Tetamashimba?
For those who have been brainwashed to think that BA’64 is about secession please find time to read it again. It doesn’t talk about separation. Rather it talks about Barotseland being part of Zambia with the Litunga retaining autonomy over the region and his people.
In fact not recognising, honouring and acknowledging the Agreement is what consitutes Secession. I have read that document over and over and there’s nothing in it that threatens the existence of Zambia as a country. It doesn’t even compel the Zambian government from paying any money or dues to the Litunga, contrary to popular belief. All it calls for is autonomy of the region while it is part of Zambia… the Litunga already enjoys autonomy anyway, so merely acknowledging the document officially in the Constitution or otherwise will never change the status quo.
Bushe ba Wynter nabo baku konkela? The man does not know what goes out of his mouth.
Yebo Jigga my pal! I totaly agree with U. Lozis wake up this is 2012 U need to push for equitable distribution of resources not this old useless piece of trash called BA64. To me its stale. Learn from yo friends in Namibia who tried to agitate for Caprivi strip secession and the *****s were also claiming Barotseland to be part there dream of a new state. They were ruthlessly dealt with some of them are still in Gweta refuge camp in Botswana. One Zambia One Nation!
Alot of bloggers have a wrong understanding of how Western Province voted. Most MPs in Western Province are UPND and MMD a clear indication that the Province still rejected PF. I agree with those bloggers who suggest that we take emotions out of this issue and be objective.
Even MOREBA is so objective and emotional. TOR no. 11 said ascertain concerns of people of WP and recommend ways and means of resolving them. These concerns should have been reviewed and discussed by all Zambians and not only people of WP. The commision could have done well if they had gone to all Provinces of Zambia. I agree with Winter that the Rodger Chongwe commission did not do a good job and rushed into making a recommendation which was not only outside their mandate but can also easily lead to another riot
His excellence MCS did not promise to restore the BA64 but autonomy which ba Wynter referred to as devolution of power and that other provinces will also benefit because of Western Province agitating for the same. Mr Sata did not say that Western Province will secede.
Western Province’s rejection of PF did not help them, PF is all the same ruling them. Meaning Zambia is not only WP but includes the larger part of the Country. But is the cry for secession because of the rumoured/ confirmed diamonds in Western Province, what a bunch of selfish bufoons
I mwe mwefibalozi you think when you start fighting we will just be watching, start it and see how you will be wired, mwaya sana *****s.
Do you know the geographical boundary of Barotseland? Part of Angola, Namibia, DRC and our own copperbelt. Lozis do’nt just be difficult for nothing just accept that you are part of zambia. period.
fellow compatriots,as some of us may be emotionally affected by the barotse agreement issue,its also important to realise that we need each others efforts to push the country forward as opposed to divide the nation based on tribe or regional interest.what ever is in the agreement I strongly feel that has little or no impact for the people of western coz they have lived peacefully even without barotse restoration. So we need to stand as one nation regardless of tribe for the betterment of mother zambia.
# 48 dont call others bufoons if you want a fight lets meet outside woodlands stadium at 20:00hrs todnight so that i can squeeze oxygen out of your lungs using Kan`oto. what you should understand is that before europeans came we had kingdoms and chiefdoms these boundaries you see were created by Europeans to share Africa natural resources between among themselves.This is a historical issue which require dialog. I for one does not support the idea of dividing this country, the national resources should be shared equally nepotism and corruption must be fought at all costs. the injustice we see today is as are a result of corruption. ONE ZAMBIA ONE NATION
@proud zambian.good question.the people of western people are all those people under the rulership of the litunga.Lozi is a language of 38 tribes of what is now called western province.no one will answer to you saying he is lozi.all are mixed up and calling themselves lozi.This i think was as a result of Sipopa `s declaration that no people of the same ethnic grouping would marry each other as a result there offsprings were coming up with new language ansd that language became lozi.clans and ethnicity is gone,what exists is the lozi language and culture eg, in one village we can have makishi dance,siyemboka,sinkoya,kayowe etc.most of us know ourselves as lozis full stop but when another question cames as to who really you are,most of us will recall oh mum is nkoya dad is nyengo,mum is luya
Rubbish! The Lozi language was brought by the Makololo from South who conquered the Aluya and imposed their language.
The main issue regarding the BA64 is that the Litunga lied about his influence and the geographical extent of his alleged domain about a fictitious area called barotseland. That is the main issue that the BA64 supporters fail to see and appreciate.
The Litunga’s influence has never gone beyond his palace in Limulunga and Lealui. If he had stuck to that geographical area as barotseland, I am sure he and his relatives would have faced little or no opposition at all.
So the issue here is to revise what constitutes barotseland otherwise this issue will never see the light of day.
This is why we have proposed that an Indaba be called to discuss boundaries of revised barotseland and Kafue Province.
Bravo! I like your viewpoint.
so alozi has extened to include any person born or living in the bounderies of barotseland.Who can call a nebour to help him how to make children with his wife.There will never be another indaba as the voices of the majority in western province have spocken emotionally through the objective COI.No one can make bounderies in barotseland but the barotseland supreme organ called the KUTA.We thank the patiotic and reasonable nkoya in kaoma,senanga and kalabo where the big number of nkoyas live,some of our nkoya headmen who want to be chiefs should undetand that GRZ cant appoint chiefs.Its the BRE who approve the appointment of any chief in barotseland and it shall remain so.thanks to our patiotic nkoyas again in kaoma,senanga and kalabo,those who want to go to kafue are free to board on a bus
MOREBA ni chani?
Ka apology kali Che, 2 say when n oposition we did not understand de repacation this issue can die naturaly but de justifications of Kabimba only trigers the issue. By de way did u check out kabimba eyes, just similar 2 mpezeni”s de chief supplier of weed.
nkoya blood is barotse royal blood. 53,you are misguided you are knocking ona wrong door.grz has got no mandate to do what you are asking for.The right step the GRZ took was the COI.That was aplus for Mr SATA.we hope he studies it and deliveres his promise to the people.
The statement by my former classmate at UNZA Law School, Mr Kabimba was, to put is mildly, very shallow and insulting to the honourable commissioners who sat with Mr. Chongwe. Even granted that Mr Chongwe chaired the Commission, surely he could not have overridden his fellow commissioners.
The problem with Zambia is about us, Zambians, accepting the tranny of mediocrity as exhibited in Mr Kabimba’s reaction.
He must learn to disagree agreably , with taste and decorum.
I think the issue of Barotse agreement is not about session but about decentrallisation and nowhere in the agreement is it written that Barotseland will secede from Zambia if any condition is not met. What the people of western province are crying for is development through decentralisation, may be the PF GOVT is not serious when it comes to issues of decentralising power. Let the litunga and his people run the local governance sysytem is it not what the agreement say. Pf please listen and listen good time to get serious with issues is now.
The pf govt is just full of shit. pipo like kabimba are there to follow everything their finished leader says…..no control, no advice…………complete *****ic fools
Everyone knows that BA64 shud not be implemented but what we want is a clever lawyer to assist us come up with good reasons as why not. Thats what the moreba needs.
It is just like the citizenship clause which barred pipo like kaunda but was interpreted by clever supreme court judges that even kaunda can now stand even though the constitution does stop them as long as they were in zambia in 1964 or have NRC.
So the moreba shud take the matter to court but they are scared of the outcome which is predictable as a lose case. Clause 4 of the BA64 does point to taking the matter to court for enforcement of the agreement or disputes.
So now they have to go to court which will end up in supreme court and a ruling shall be defined by a combined team of clever judges in the interest of the nation. and ie BA64 is STALE and would will raise confusion in zambia. Its the same thing as mentioned in the case of kafupi regarding confusion on citizenship for adopted children and others.
Its like reversing the same of ZCCM at this stage, its clearly stale and out of time to do so even if things were not done properly by prominent zambians then. Kabimba had a point but it needed to be connnected with time
1. Terms of Reference
Your claim that the Commission was not mandated to inquire into the matter of the Barotseland Agreement 1964 boggles the mind. Term of Reference no. 11 (TOR 11) required the Commission to “Ascertain the concerns of the people of Western Province and recommend mechanism for resolving them”.
The Saint, please stop making noise
These so called leaders of ours talk too much, i wish to suggest to Goverment that they stop talking and begin working, let them produce, they talk too much, today on let the people talk, tommorow, ZNBC , QFM , Hot seat, when do they work.I think we should pass a law no more let the people talk, we have been talking since i was born and nothing to show as proof of all the talks.Zambia know how to talk but no production at all.
Balotseland. Fools.
It would only be fair to leave the Litunga out of debates that have no substance. King Mwanawina signed the BA64 on his behalf, on the behalf of his heirs and the entire Barotse Nation. The issue was rigorously debated in the Barotse National Council (BNC), and KK is on record assuring the BNC that his UNIP Govt would honour every little letter and dot of the BA64. I want to believe that the Litunga and central administration of Barotseland (the BRE) do not want to stiffle debate. You are the same people, trying to lay a trap, who will shout treason when the Litunga and the BRE finally take the issue to the Zambian and international courts for arbitration. The Litunga and BRE are simply allowing us the latittude to debate, not to curtail debate as Sata has done by taking a position.
how do you stand together when others want to believe that they are more zambian than others. let us just suport the restoration of this agreement so that the lozis shall determine their own affairs because as the situation is now it appears like they are not safe in your so called one zambia one nation where the few *****s want to trample other tribes`s aspirations. go to hell you kabimba. you have misled the president too far enough and it must be known to you that the nation is sick of you.
Hahahaha! it is interesting, firstly, Lozis must redefine their boundaries. If you think Tonga land, lamba land etc is part of Barotseland, then you must be dreaming? I urge other chiefs to take the Litunga to task how he duped the British to give him land beyond his juridiction. So please MOREBA go back to your Litunga and redefine your boundaries and may be you will win, otherwise it is a waste of time talking about the issue. You know how rigid you lozis are. You currently consider other tribes in your territory as inferior, how then if you were given the independence would you call them? Stop the nonsence! WP is not the only province which is lagging behind in terms of development. Check you facts right. Please give us a break!
Ok without cessation of Barotseland from Zambia, what can be acceptable to western province to avoid this? Is there any other way this issue can be resolved to satisfy the westerners? Is it some kind of semi-autonomous region like the islands of Pemba and Tanganyika? Is it decentralisation? Can they offer suggestions please?
In this discourse, as little intellectual Kabimba put it, let us be mindful that we are a nation that wants to harmonise its history, governance and internal relations. I fear we may be ripe to be used by one world order sponsors, the Illuminati, to forment chaos in central Africa. The Illuminati are known to sponsor both sides of the same conflict to bring about the chaos that would advance their luciferian agenda. I do not find it mere coincidence that Sata turned his back on his COI on Barotseland at the same time as the Illuminati UN’s Secretary general was visiting Zambia.
LET’S NOT BLAME PF MWE BANTU! THEIR SLOGAN WAS AND CONTINUES TO BE “DONCHI KUBEBA”!!
If the Commission reported to the Republican President, my mind boggles how Kabimba who is not the president pre-empted the Government’s response. This shows the shambolic nature of governance in Zambia to-day. Any fool can make a very uninformed pronouncement on a very sensitive matter, thus raising alarm and despondency unnecessarily. Kabimba’s unsolicited comments do not represent the views of government or serious-minded lawyers.At the same time it is true that in a democracy the people deserve the government they have.
We can not complain.
MOREBA,i salute you, the lambasting of Kabimba is a wllcome thing. Kabimba and his party leader should not take the people of Barotseland as stupid and docile, oneday, *****s like Kabimba will regret their utterances.
Sata promised 90 days in which to restore Barotseland 9164 Aggreement he even ordered it to be published for the rest of the Zambian people to understand the whole concept.It’s shameful for Kabimba to insult the Chongwe Commission and the people of Barotseland. Mwana’a mazwake.
Did u see in the picture how Kabimba was trying to grab and kiss Kunda’s wife, in his presence, but she blew the sarcastic motor mouth away. I hear that woman is Lozi, maybe Kabimba loves he and would like to inherit her when Kunda kicks the bucket soon so restoring the BA64 could take her out of his groinery reach. Anyway, any sane person would be wiry of ‘pyanaling’ Ms Kunda for a very apparent reason only Kabimba cannot see. And with blind leaders like these, no wonderd Zondwe is just ‘blinding’ around thinking he’s governing. Bukuba mwa naha bu tulile sikala.